Join a Philatelic Listserv - the Basics
Tracy Barber
Join a Philatelic listserv - the Basics:
In order to cut the "fear factor", I'm posting about usenet listserv
newsgroups.
To join a usenet listserv news group, usually all you have to do is
subscribe. You can unscubscribe the same way.
There's usually an e-mail address where you can send an e-mail message
with the subject "subscribe", or part of the e-mail address, or in the
body of the message.
Such as: subs...@philatelic-xyz.org
After you send the message, if there's a listserv robot, you may get a
confirmation message. Some listservs go to the moderator, who's
usually overseeing the newsgroup. The moderator may send out a
welcome message.
A moderator usually keeps the foul language, commercial ads (if not
applicable) and the topics on time within reason. Usually there's no
flame wars, meow mix, or any other redneck behavior as are common on
open newsgroups. So, you can leave the asbestos suit at home.
Some listservs distribute weekly messages to subscribers, some daily,
some will post to all subscribers after they post their message(s). I
usually get the "real time" posts rather than wait for them.
If you get tired of the newsgroup, you can always unsubscribe the same
way you subscribed. Not a big deal.
Such as: unsub...@Philatelic-xyz.org
Some of the better newsgroups are maintained like this. rcsd decided
not to go moderated at split time, but has been building up quite a
bit as of late.
Back to the topics at hand...
Tracy Barber
Bob Ingraham
> From: tr...@adirondack-pc.com (Tracy Barber)
> Organization: MicroComputer Consultant
> Newsgroups: rec.collecting.stamps.discuss
> Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 05:37:55 GMT
> Subject: Join a Philatelic Listserv - the Basics
>
>
> Join a Philatelic listserv - the Basics:
>
> In order to cut the "fear factor", I'm posting about usenet listserv
> newsgroups.
>
> To join a usenet listserv news group, usually all you have to do is
> subscribe. You can unscubscribe the same way.
Not necessarily true. I started a Yahoo! listserve group on called
Propliner! (about propeller driven airliners). Within almost no time at all,
we had about 40 members, but suddenly I couldn't do a thing as moderator
except send e-mails individually to members and approve or disapprove
message. I personally could not post a thing, because according to the
listserve software I was not a member. I could not unsubsubscribe, and when
I tried to subscribe under a different name (as I recall) I was told that my
e-mail was already in use. It was a mess. I forget what finally happened.
>
> There's usually an e-mail address where you can send an e-mail message
> with the subject "subscribe", or part of the e-mail address, or in the
> body of the message.
>
> Such as: subs...@philatelic-xyz.org
>
> After you send the message, if there's a listserv robot, you may get a
> confirmation message. Some listservs go to the moderator, who's
> usually overseeing the newsgroup. The moderator may send out a
> welcome message.
>
> A moderator usually keeps the foul language, commercial ads (if not
> applicable) and the topics on time within reason. Usually there's no
> flame wars, meow mix, or any other redneck behavior as are common on
> open newsgroups. So, you can leave the asbestos suit at home.
>
> Some listservs distribute weekly messages to subscribers, some daily,
> some will post to all subscribers after they post their message(s). I
> usually get the "real time" posts rather than wait for them.
>
> If you get tired of the newsgroup, you can always unsubscribe the same
> way you subscribed. Not a big deal.
For me, it was a royal pain. I had a similar experience with the Third Reich
group. I could receive postings, but I couldn't send any.
Victor Manta
>...
> Not necessarily true. I started a Yahoo! listserve group on called
> Propliner! (about propeller driven airliners). Within almost no time at
all,
> we had about 40 members, but suddenly I couldn't do a thing as moderator
> except send e-mails individually to members and approve or disapprove
> message. I personally could not post a thing, because according to the
> listserve software I was not a member. I could not unsubsubscribe, and
when
> I tried to subscribe under a different name (as I recall) I was told that
my
> e-mail was already in use. It was a mess. I forget what finally happened.
Bob,
From the configuration on Yahoo!Groops:
"Email address display
Hide my email and IP address from the group moderators.
Note: If you choose this option, you will not be able to post messages
to the group via email. "
Maybe it helps.
Regards,
Victor Manta
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Victor Manta
> Bob,
>
> From the configuration on Yahoo!Groups:
>
> "Email address display
> Hide my email and IP address from the group moderators.
> Note: If you choose this option, you will not be able to post
messages
> to the group via email. "
>
> Maybe it helps.
>
> Regards,
> Victor Manta
Just to test the things I have sent a short message to the Topical Stamps
Group on Yahoo (240 members, I'm the founder)
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/topicalstamps
My message appeared immediately.
Regards,
Victor Manta
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Kaleb S. KEITHLEY
Tracy Barber <tr...@adirondack-pc.com> wrote:
>
>Join a Philatelic listserv - the Basics:
>
>In order to cut the "fear factor", I'm posting about usenet listserv
>newsgroups.
>
>To join a usenet listserv news group, usually all you have to do is
>subscribe. You can unscubscribe the same way.
A term like "Usenet listserv" is an oxymoron.
A newsgroup such as the Usenet newsgroup rec.collecting.stamps.discuss
is a newsgroup.
A mailing list managed by a `listserv' is a mailing list.
>...
>Some of the better newsgroups are maintained like this. rcsd decided
>not to go moderated at split time, ...
The only moderated newsgroups have in common with mailing lists that
are filtered by a list owner is the fact that someone is filtering.
Making rcsd a moderated group was never even considered.
>.. but has been building up quite a bit as of late.
Huh?
I was pretty certain that Tracy knew the difference between mailing lists
and newsgroups. That makes me suspicious that this is a red herring forged
by Greg Deeter in an attempt to drum up traffic on his mailing lists.
--
Kaleb S. KEITHLEY
Bob Ingraham
fennec-spiked tea, as Tracy did in his last post on this subject. ("Bob -
I dunno what you're talking about or what you spiked the tea with :)
(eau du fennec?)"
I doubt that Greg even knows what eua du fennec is, whereas Tracy himself
knows from long experience, and I suspect that *he* has been imbibing a bit
too frequently. It's those long, dark March days in New York State, I
suspect.
Bob
> From: ka...@keithley.org (Kaleb S. KEITHLEY)
> Organization: Kaleb S. KEITHLEY
> Newsgroups: rec.collecting.stamps.discuss
Kaleb S. KEITHLEY
Bob Ingraham <b.ing...@shaw.ca> wrote:
>Nah. I'm sure that Greg Deeter would never suggest that I've been drinking
>fennec-spiked tea, as Tracy did in his last post on this subject. ("Bob -
>I dunno what you're talking about or what you spiked the tea with :)
>(eau du fennec?)"
>
>I doubt that Greg even knows what eua du fennec is, whereas Tracy himself
>knows from long experience, and I suspect that *he* has been imbibing a bit
>too frequently. It's those long, dark March days in New York State, I
>suspect.
Deeter may not know what eau de fennec is, but he does know how to forge
Usenet articles.
I haven't seen Tracy's eau de fennec reply -- it hasn't arrived here yet --
the the smoking gun seemed to be the Path: that Tracy's articles usually
take versus the Path: in `his' listserv article, which were substantially
different.
>
>Bob
>
>> In article <3c957b50...@news.nycap.rr.com>,
>> Tracy Barber <tr...@adirondack-pc.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Join a Philatelic listserv - the Basics:
>>>
>>> In order to cut the "fear factor", I'm posting about usenet listserv
>>> newsgroups.
>>>
>>> To join a usenet listserv news group, usually all you have to do is
>>> subscribe. You can unscubscribe the same way.
>>
>> A term like "Usenet listserv" is an oxymoron.
>>
>> A newsgroup such as the Usenet newsgroup rec.collecting.stamps.discuss
>> is a newsgroup.
>>
>> A mailing list managed by a `listserv' is a mailing list.
>>
>>> ...
>>> Some of the better newsgroups are maintained like this. rcsd decided
>>> not to go moderated at split time, ...
>>
>> The only thing moderated newsgroups have in common with mailing lists that
Kaleb S. KEITHLEY
Kaleb S. KEITHLEY <ka...@keithley.org> wrote:
>In article <B8BB367E.10B38%b.ing...@shaw.ca>,
>Bob Ingraham <b.ing...@shaw.ca> wrote:
>>Nah. I'm sure that Greg Deeter would never suggest that I've been drinking
>>fennec-spiked tea, as Tracy did in his last post on this subject. ("Bob -
>>I dunno what you're talking about or what you spiked the tea with :)
>>(eau du fennec?)"
>>
>>I doubt that Greg even knows what eua du fennec is, whereas Tracy himself
>>knows from long experience, and I suspect that *he* has been imbibing a bit
>>too frequently. It's those long, dark March days in New York State, I
>>suspect.
>
>Deeter may not know what eau de fennec is, but he does know how to forge
>Usenet articles.
>
>I haven't seen Tracy's eau de fennec reply -- it hasn't arrived here yet --
>the the smoking gun seemed to be the Path: that Tracy's articles usually
>take versus the Path: in `his' listserv article, which were substantially
>different.
Ah, I see now. In the thread about Revenues and Cinderellas Tracy has
invited people to join his mailing list, and that's where he has alluded
to eau de fennec in your tea.
That not withstanding, participation in a listserv (sic) means articles
land in your own email inbox, and your own posts and replies are just
email to the listserv, which remails the article to everyone on the list.
Internet News (of which Usenet and rcsd are a subset) may appear largely
the same, but under the covers they operate quite differently. I won't
bore you all with the details unless someone really wants to know. ;-)
--
Kaleb S. KEITHLEY
Tracy Barber
wrote:
>Not necessarily true. I started a Yahoo! listserve group on called
>Propliner! (about propeller driven airliners). Within almost no time at all,
>we had about 40 members, but suddenly I couldn't do a thing as moderator
>except send e-mails individually to members and approve or disapprove
>message. I personally could not post a thing, because according to the
>listserve software I was not a member. I could not unsubsubscribe, and when
>I tried to subscribe under a different name (as I recall) I was told that my
>e-mail was already in use. It was a mess. I forget what finally happened.
Hmmm... sounds like it wasn't set up "prop"erly. :) In the group I
belong to, I cans end and receive as much poop as I want. I know when
it's posted because it automatically sends a copy back to me, as a
member.
Sorry to hear you had a bad time there...
Tracy Barber
Tracy Barber
KEITHLEY) wrote:
>In article <3c957b50...@news.nycap.rr.com>,
>Tracy Barber <tr...@adirondack-pc.com> wrote:
>>
>>Join a Philatelic listserv - the Basics:
>>
>>In order to cut the "fear factor", I'm posting about usenet listserv
>>newsgroups.
>>
>>To join a usenet listserv news group, usually all you have to do is
>>subscribe. You can unscubscribe the same way.
>
>A term like "Usenet listserv" is an oxymoron.
>
>A newsgroup such as the Usenet newsgroup rec.collecting.stamps.discuss
>is a newsgroup.
>
>A mailing list managed by a `listserv' is a mailing list.
OK, I'll be more PC from now on! :) BUT!
>>Some of the better newsgroups are maintained like this. rcsd decided
>>not to go moderated at split time, ...
>
>The only moderated newsgroups have in common with mailing lists that
>are filtered by a list owner is the fact that someone is filtering.
>
>Making rcsd a moderated group was never even considered.
That's not totally true. There were some people who were requesting
it but it never mad the "motion" to keep it on the table. I was there
also... :)
>>.. but has been building up quite a bit as of late.
>
>Huh?
rscd has been building up - a lot of people have been involved.
>I was pretty certain that Tracy knew the difference between mailing lists
>and newsgroups. That makes me suspicious that this is a red herring forged
>by Greg Deeter in an attempt to drum up traffic on his mailing lists.
Nope, not Mr. Deeter this time. Nahhh... in fact, I already
complained when they first appeared and he was actually nice to me
this time! I guess live and let live...
Some people just don't know where the stuff is, how to do it and all
that. I do know the difference and you mentioned them above. They
work pretty much the same way - as news, except that delivery can be
different. :) A mailing list actually is a cross between e-mail and
a newsgroup. The delivery in point here is e-mail but the discussion
wouldn't take place without the group and the central storage (in this
case) at Yahoo.
(I was trying to keep the techno out of the message to show people how
easy it is to subscribe.)
Tracy Barber
(Who has subscribed successfully to several mailing lists)
Tracy Barber
wrote:
>Nah. I'm sure that Greg Deeter would never suggest that I've been drinking
>fennec-spiked tea, as Tracy did in his last post on this subject. ("Bob -
>I dunno what you're talking about or what you spiked the tea with :)
>(eau du fennec?)"
>
>I doubt that Greg even knows what eua du fennec is, whereas Tracy himself
>knows from long experience, and I suspect that *he* has been imbibing a bit
>too frequently. It's those long, dark March days in New York State, I
>suspect.
Yup... we just picked up some snow down here and we'll have to hunker
down to some good old SNA beverages, imported of course...
Tracy Barber
Tracy Barber
KEITHLEY) wrote:
>Internet News (of which Usenet and rcsd are a subset) may appear largely
>the same, but under the covers they operate quite differently. I won't
>bore you all with the details unless someone really wants to know. ;-)
Actually, it may help those who don't believe it works properly. :)
I think that more people would get involved in mailing lists posted
here or elsewhere if they had some belief they worked. I'm worn out
my welcome, so I'll turn it over!
Is there something in the FAQ about that? I don't remember...
Tracy Barber
Bob Ingraham
> From: tr...@adirondack-pc.com (Tracy Barber)
> Organization: MicroComputer Consultant
> Newsgroups: rec.collecting.stamps.discuss
> Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 16:06:57 GMT
> Subject: Re: Join a Philatelic Listserv - the Basics (SNA spin)
In the interest of tourism in Vancouver, I shouldn't mention this, but it's
snowing heavily at the moment. From my third-floor study window, I can see
people walking by with snow piling up on their umbrellas. A good day to
hunker down with a good book and a hot drink.
Bob
Tracy Barber
wrote:
>
>
>> From: tr...@adirondack-pc.com (Tracy Barber)
>> Organization: MicroComputer Consultant
>> Newsgroups: rec.collecting.stamps.discuss
>> Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 16:06:57 GMT
>> Subject: Re: Join a Philatelic Listserv - the Basics (SNA spin)
>>
>> On Mon, 18 Mar 2002 14:14:09 GMT, Bob Ingraham <b.ing...@shaw.ca>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Nah. I'm sure that Greg Deeter would never suggest that I've been drinking
>>> fennec-spiked tea, as Tracy did in his last post on this subject. ("Bob -
>>> I dunno what you're talking about or what you spiked the tea with :)
>>> (eau du fennec?)"
>>>
>>> I doubt that Greg even knows what eua du fennec is, whereas Tracy himself
>>> knows from long experience, and I suspect that *he* has been imbibing a bit
>>> too frequently. It's those long, dark March days in New York State, I
>>> suspect.
>>
>> Yup... we just picked up some snow down here and we'll have to hunker
>> down to some good old SNA beverages, imported of course...
>>
>> Tracy Barber
>
>In the interest of tourism in Vancouver, I shouldn't mention this, but it's
>snowing heavily at the moment. From my third-floor study window, I can see
>people walking by with snow piling up on their umbrellas. A good day to
>hunker down with a good book and a hot drink.
Hey Bob -
You shipping any of that snow this way? We have snow also in the
northeast. Must be those Sopwiths on extra "snow" duty. :)
Tracy Barber