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Greg Lyon
Oct 6, 2011, 11:06:59 PM10/6/11
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This was released by the ANA this afternoon:
Following is a statement issued Thursday, Oct. 6, by the American Numismatic
Association Board of Governors in response to recent statements by former
ANA Executive Director Larry Shepherd.
"The former ANA Executive Director and others recently released statements
regarding his termination. The Governors of the American Numismatic
Association have made every effort to take the high road and not air a
private personnel matter. We thought it best to promptly move on.
The ANA declines to disclose those matters because they involve other
personnel or third-parties outside the ANA. The decisions to first suspend
then terminate Mr. Shepherd were not 'political,' nor made in haste. They
were made after a review of the facts and with careful deliberation.
Mr. Shepherd subsequently hired legal counsel who suggested that the ANA has
defamed him. The ANA has not defamed Mr. Shepherd and, in fact, carefully
avoided making any statements in an effort to avoid a rancorous, public
discussion on personnel matters which are normally best left private.
Mr. Shepherd's attorney directed the ANA to have no contact with him, and
the ANA honored that request. Yet, despite that directive from his attorney,
Mr. Shepherd has contacted ANA Board members, as did his new employer,
Harlan J. Berk, Ltd. In addition, Berk issued a news release that is
disparaging and denigrating to the ANA, based on opinion, not fact.
The ANA considerately stated that the employment relationship with Mr.
Shepherd had 'ended' to specifically avoid a public announcement that he was
fired. Berk's release stated Shepherd was fired. The ANA now confirms that
Mr. Shepherd's employment was terminated, and in view of all of the factual
information reviewed by the Board, correctly so.
This was not a decision that resulted from new Governors coming on board,
but it was reviewed by both the outgoing Board and the newly elected Board
in an unprecedented joint session. All 12 Governors concluded that it was
appropriate that Mr. Shepherd be placed on leave while the matter was under
review. After this review, termination followed.
Governor and Past President Clifford Mishler has succinctly summed up the
ANA's thoughts on this matter:
"Having participated as a board member in both the hiring and termination of
Larry Shepherd as Executive Director of the American Numismatic Association,
I want to express my deep disappointment that a relationship that commenced
with great optimism has concluded on such a sour note. In both instances the
decisions were unanimous. Unfortunately, a commitment which commenced with
great promise, transitioned into one of such great disappointment.
Ultimately, the Board lost confidence in Mr. Shepherd as the ANA Executive
Director."
It is most unfortunate that Mr. Shepherd has resorted to a public discussion
that the ANA cannot comment upon, instead of moving forward in a dignified
manner. We are deeply saddened by his decision. Rather than dwell on past
mistakes, the ANA will move forward and fulfill its educational mission to
serve the best interests of the entire numismatic community.
-------------------------
Greg Lyon
ANA Board of Governors 2011-2013
The views represented here are my own personal opinions and do not represent
those of the American Numismatic Association.
"Cole De Sac" <69...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 28 Sep 2011 07:50:20 -0700, "Craig 'Lumpy' Lemke"
> <lu...@digitalcartography.com> wrote:
>
>>Just wanted to remind all those who subscribe or
>>have cross posted to the RCC group that we
>>are all members now. Don't fuck up or you'll
>>face sanctions.
>>
>>BTW - I haven't received my magazine yet.
>
> I haven't received my magazine also. How do I avoid these sanctions as
> I do not know proper ANA posting protocols? This is so unfair!
Following is a statement issued Thursday, Oct. 6, by the American Numismatic
Association Board of Governors in response to recent statements by former
ANA Executive Director Larry Shepherd.
"The former ANA Executive Director and others recently released statements
regarding his termination. The Governors of the American Numismatic
Association have made every effort to take the high road and not air a
private personnel matter. We thought it best to promptly move on.
The ANA declines to disclose those matters because they involve other
personnel or third-parties outside the ANA. The decisions to first suspend
then terminate Mr. Shepherd were not 'political,' nor made in haste. They
were made after a review of the facts and with careful deliberation.
Mr. Shepherd subsequently hired legal counsel who suggested that the ANA has
defamed him. The ANA has not defamed Mr. Shepherd and, in fact, carefully
avoided making any statements in an effort to avoid a rancorous, public
discussion on personnel matters which are normally best left private.
Mr. Shepherd's attorney directed the ANA to have no contact with him, and
the ANA honored that request. Yet, despite that directive from his attorney,
Mr. Shepherd has contacted ANA Board members, as did his new employer,
Harlan J. Berk, Ltd. In addition, Berk issued a news release that is
disparaging and denigrating to the ANA, based on opinion, not fact.
The ANA considerately stated that the employment relationship with Mr.
Shepherd had 'ended' to specifically avoid a public announcement that he was
fired. Berk's release stated Shepherd was fired. The ANA now confirms that
Mr. Shepherd's employment was terminated, and in view of all of the factual
information reviewed by the Board, correctly so.
This was not a decision that resulted from new Governors coming on board,
but it was reviewed by both the outgoing Board and the newly elected Board
in an unprecedented joint session. All 12 Governors concluded that it was
appropriate that Mr. Shepherd be placed on leave while the matter was under
review. After this review, termination followed.
Governor and Past President Clifford Mishler has succinctly summed up the
ANA's thoughts on this matter:
"Having participated as a board member in both the hiring and termination of
Larry Shepherd as Executive Director of the American Numismatic Association,
I want to express my deep disappointment that a relationship that commenced
with great optimism has concluded on such a sour note. In both instances the
decisions were unanimous. Unfortunately, a commitment which commenced with
great promise, transitioned into one of such great disappointment.
Ultimately, the Board lost confidence in Mr. Shepherd as the ANA Executive
Director."
It is most unfortunate that Mr. Shepherd has resorted to a public discussion
that the ANA cannot comment upon, instead of moving forward in a dignified
manner. We are deeply saddened by his decision. Rather than dwell on past
mistakes, the ANA will move forward and fulfill its educational mission to
serve the best interests of the entire numismatic community.
-------------------------
Greg Lyon
ANA Board of Governors 2011-2013
The views represented here are my own personal opinions and do not represent
those of the American Numismatic Association.
"Cole De Sac" <69...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:gl4787tutko1ioh10...@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 28 Sep 2011 07:50:20 -0700, "Craig 'Lumpy' Lemke"
> <lu...@digitalcartography.com> wrote:
>
>>Just wanted to remind all those who subscribe or
>>have cross posted to the RCC group that we
>>are all members now. Don't fuck up or you'll
>>face sanctions.
>>
>>BTW - I haven't received my magazine yet.
>
> I haven't received my magazine also. How do I avoid these sanctions as
> I do not know proper ANA posting protocols? This is so unfair!
Mark
Oct 7, 2011, 10:05:13 AM10/7/11
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Executive Director Shepherd was railroaded. How do we know what evidence
was had against him? Where did the "facts" come from? Disgruntled
employees or former employees? Those that didn't like progressive change?
Those with an ax to grind? What facts? What evidence? Who got paid off to
smear Larry? Maybe 12 people did hear some evidence, but it was not a
trial and not in an environment that was a court of law, guaranteeing
a fair an impartial trial as provided by the constitution. Larry had
no chance to defend himself against these so called facts. I shall work
to defeat all current members of the ANA board of governors.
was had against him? Where did the "facts" come from? Disgruntled
employees or former employees? Those that didn't like progressive change?
Those with an ax to grind? What facts? What evidence? Who got paid off to
smear Larry? Maybe 12 people did hear some evidence, but it was not a
trial and not in an environment that was a court of law, guaranteeing
a fair an impartial trial as provided by the constitution. Larry had
no chance to defend himself against these so called facts. I shall work
to defeat all current members of the ANA board of governors.
PeterD
Oct 7, 2011, 12:06:59 PM10/7/11
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his chance, but did he show?
--
I'm never going to grow up.
Wes Darrah
Oct 7, 2011, 12:38:50 PM10/7/11
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I have been reading Larry Shepherd's comments on the PCGS message board. He
was willing to take a lie detector test to prove he did nothing wrong and
the ANA board TURNED HIM DOWN! . Would the ANA board be willing to do the
same? There was not even a trial held to prove Larry's guilt. This is how
things are done in communist countries, but this is America, and people are
INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY.
"Mark" <ma...@cointalk.com> wrote in message
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was willing to take a lie detector test to prove he did nothing wrong and
the ANA board TURNED HIM DOWN! . Would the ANA board be willing to do the
same? There was not even a trial held to prove Larry's guilt. This is how
things are done in communist countries, but this is America, and people are
INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY.
"Mark" <ma...@cointalk.com> wrote in message
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Some Guy
Oct 7, 2011, 12:46:16 PM10/7/11
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LS is not on trial by the government, he got canned from his job with the ANA
for reason or reasons unknown.
If he had an employment contract, he has recourse to the civil courts.
"Wes Darrah" <w...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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for reason or reasons unknown.
If he had an employment contract, he has recourse to the civil courts.
"Wes Darrah" <w...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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Bremick
Oct 7, 2011, 1:44:27 PM10/7/11
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"Some Guy" <so...@guy.xxx> wrote in message
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> LS is not on trial by the government, he got canned from his job with the
> ANA for reason or reasons unknown.
> If he had an employment contract, he has recourse to the civil courts.
Personnel matters aside, I believe we can still go on collecting coins as
> ANA for reason or reasons unknown.
> If he had an employment contract, he has recourse to the civil courts.
always regardless of the ANA's dirty laundry.
PeterD
Oct 7, 2011, 2:08:10 PM10/7/11
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clamz
Oct 7, 2011, 2:26:37 PM10/7/11
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"PeterD" <pet...@hipson.net> wrote in message
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oly
Oct 7, 2011, 1:49:59 PM10/7/11
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On Oct 7, 12:44 pm, "Bremick" <rem...@cox.net> wrote:
> "Some Guy" <s...@guy.xxx> wrote in message
What's put a dent in my coin collecting is the high price of silver.
Not stopped it mind you, but when $25 world silver crowns go to $50 as
fast as they did, you gotta re-evaluate a bit.
I've been a quick critic of the ANA in the past, but it looks like
they've handled this one about right.
oly
> "Some Guy" <s...@guy.xxx> wrote in message
Not stopped it mind you, but when $25 world silver crowns go to $50 as
fast as they did, you gotta re-evaluate a bit.
I've been a quick critic of the ANA in the past, but it looks like
they've handled this one about right.
oly
Bremick
Oct 7, 2011, 4:18:21 PM10/7/11
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see its impact at the collector level, with or without Larry.
Will
Oct 7, 2011, 5:34:09 PM10/7/11
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On Thu, 6 Oct 2011 22:06:59 -0500, "Greg Lyon" <gr...@dizum.com> wrote:
>This was released by the ANA this afternoon:
>
>Following is a statement issued Thursday, Oct. 6, by the American Numismatic
>Association Board of Governors in response to recent statements by former
>ANA Executive Director Larry Shepherd.
>
>"The former ANA Executive Director and others recently released statements
>regarding his termination. The Governors of the American Numismatic
>Association have made every effort to take the high road and not air a
>private personnel matter. We thought it best to promptly move on.
This is a travesty and an gross injustice. It is time to form a new
>This was released by the ANA this afternoon:
>
>Following is a statement issued Thursday, Oct. 6, by the American Numismatic
>Association Board of Governors in response to recent statements by former
>ANA Executive Director Larry Shepherd.
>
>"The former ANA Executive Director and others recently released statements
>regarding his termination. The Governors of the American Numismatic
>Association have made every effort to take the high road and not air a
>private personnel matter. We thought it best to promptly move on.
breakaway association. I'm gonna look into this. Who needs to ANA
anyway?
PeterD
Oct 7, 2011, 5:47:29 PM10/7/11
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which works out just fine.
Joe
Oct 7, 2011, 8:52:31 PM10/7/11
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"PeterD" <pet...@hipson.net> wrote in message
news:j6ns1d$ml0$1...@speranza.aioe.org...Make your little jokes all you want, but Larry Sheperd is not a victim here,
despite the disinformation campaign being put on by his cheerleaders and
new employer, Harlan J. Berk. I dare say that the decision by the ANA Board
is a decision that would have been made by nearly all of you who are
employers yourselves.
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Some Guy
Oct 8, 2011, 9:46:02 AM10/8/11
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"Mal Kurin" <m...@kurins.com> wrote in message
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> He has the presumption as innocent until proven guilty, IMHO. if the U.S.
> Constitution still applies, even to the ANA Board of Governors
This is a civil matter, not a criminal one. Your Constitutional interpretation
skill is, to say the least, poor.
PeterD
Oct 8, 2011, 10:33:23 AM10/8/11
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On 10/7/2011 9:29 PM, Mal Kurin wrote:
> if the U.S.
> Constitution still applies, even to the ANA Board of Governors
> if the U.S.
> Constitution still applies, even to the ANA Board of Governors
Guess you missed the part where BO declared the constitution a useless
piece of scrap paper, too!
Gary
Oct 8, 2011, 11:19:05 AM10/8/11
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That was George W. Bush that described the Constitutuion as
a "just a goddamned piece of paper."
http://whitehouser.com/politics/bush-constitution-just-a-piece-of-paper/
Scott
Oct 8, 2011, 6:54:07 PM10/8/11
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did say that Shepherd hired legal counsel who suggested that Shepherd was
defamed. In response to that, the Board said that they made "an effort to
avoid a rancorous, public discussion on personnel matters which are normally
best left private." If so, then why issue a statement?
The statement says that the Board "ended" their employment relationship with
Shepherd yet seems to be concerned that Harlan Berk's statement said
Shepherd was fired. However, a person does not have to be a rocket scientist
to know that after it was announced Shepherd was put on leave during an
investigation and then his employment was "ended" to put the two events
together to guess he was fired. In fact, my post on that day was "ANA Fires
Shepherd."
Again, this statement does not say anything of substance. But it appears
that the Board feels they have to defend themselves. If the Board did not do
anything wrong, what are they defending? Then to have Cliff Mishler, past
president and current governor, make a statement, it makes them appear like
they are trying to hide something.
What are the ANA Board of Governors hiding?
The ANA released their statement, Harlan Berk had his say, then Shepherd
responded. Everyone vented and that should be enough. Why did the Board of
Directors have to respond? What are they hiding?
The Board's statement concludes:
It is most unfortunate that Mr. Shepherd has resorted to a public discussion
that the ANA cannot comment upon, instead of moving forward in a dignified
manner. We are deeply saddened by his decision. Rather than dwell on past
mistakes, the ANA will move forward and fulfill its educational mission to
serve the best interests of the entire numismatic community.
Scott
Oct 8, 2011, 6:59:03 PM10/8/11
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"Some Guy" <so...@guy.xxx> wrote in message
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> LS is not on trial by the government, he got canned from his job with the
> ANA for reason or reasons unknown.
> If he had an employment contract, he has recourse to the civil courts.
>
>
> ANA for reason or reasons unknown.
> If he had an employment contract, he has recourse to the civil courts.
>
>
When Shepherd says that he offered to take a lie detector test regarding the
charges then I am suspicious over the condition of this action.
Questioning the Board of an organization I pay dues to is not only my right
but an obligation. Just because they are the Board with allegedly
confidential information does not mean I have to agree with their action nor
does it mean I have to sit idly by when I feel the Board was wrong based on
public evidence.
Given the recent history of the ANA Board of Governors and executive
directors, questioning their action on my soapbox is the least I can do!
James E. Morrow
Oct 10, 2011, 4:42:37 PM10/10/11
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In article <j6ns1d$ml0$1...@speranza.aioe.org>, pet...@hipson.net says...
<snip>
> OK, let's call it the lite version of ANA... So our name will be ANAL,
> which works out just fine.
>
>
Well this method works our really well for Frank.
--
James E. Morrow
Email to: jamese...@email.com
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