Re: High end coins for sale

[Phil DeMayo]

On Sat, 4 Feb 2012 18:31:28 -0600, "Will" <wi...@wrobins.com> wrote:

>Lots of high end coins for sale on eBay.
>
>http://www.ebay.com/sch/21212/m.html
>
>Let me know what you want, and I'll give you my bottom line best price
>(transactions to be completed outside of eBay). Some of these things I have
>a lot of room
>
>Thanks,
>Will

Ebay wouldn't be very happy about you advertising in a public forum
your willingness to circumvent their fee structure....just saying.

[Bremick]

"Phil DeMayo" <flip...@aol.com> wrote in message
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I occasionally see auctions where a seller claims to reserve the right to
end the auction early. To me this signals that a particular item also being
advertised for sale outside of eBay. Ebay doesn't seem to have a problem
with that. Ebay has no exclusive claim on an item's disposition while it is
available on eBay. Otherwise, it probably would lose half of the retail
dealers who use eBay as an optional sales tool. This sounds like all Will
is doing.

[Phil DeMayo]

Nope...from their selling policies

You're not allowed to:

- List an item that may be out of stock at the time of purchase.

- List an item that you're simultaneously selling outside of eBay.

- Offer an item that may not be what's delivered to the buyer.

I remember checking this a while back when Goldsborough was
auctioning off some of his miniatures and reproductions (crap) while
listing them for sale at his website.

[oly]

On Feb 5, 3:10 pm, "Bremick" <rem...@cox.net> wrote:
> "Phil DeMayo" <flip1...@aol.com> wrote in message

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Gotta agree with Phil, ebay HATES FEE AVOIDANCE AND FEE AVOIDERS and
that has to be part of what the OP is doing (if not worse).

I won't do it, but I'm reasonably certain that the OP has already been
reported.

oly

[Bremick]

"Phil DeMayo" <flip...@aol.com> wrote in message

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I see this caveat most often in eBay car auctions. Maybe there are special
rules for that category, but I've seen it with others, too, and eBay has
apparently let it ride. Otherwise, why would a dealer tie up an item in a
30+ day eBay auction if doing that would eliminate the possibility of
selling it outside? As long as eBay still allows a seller the option to end
an ongoing auction, how could eBay ever determine why the seller ended it?
Item damaged, lost, stolen, sold?

[Bremick]

"oly" <oly...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Regardless of how much it likes its fees, I still don't see how eBay can
monitor or control a seller's actions outside eBay, while it continues to
offer a seller the option of ending an auction prematurely. Oops! Dog ate
my silver three cent piece. Shoulda got it slabbed. On the other hand, I
have had several offers of a fixed price if I would end an auction early,
but like you I didn't feel it was cricket to do so.

[Reid Goldsborough]

On 2/5/2012 4:34 PM, Phil DeMayo wrote:

> I remember checking this a while back when Goldsborough was
> auctioning off some of his miniatures and reproductions (crap) while
> listing them for sale at his website.

I'll take the bait. It's been a while. Crack collector Phil DeMayo
recently left two more brilliantly insightful posts, the above
mentioning my name. I'll address it. Any halfway savvy person who has
been around the collecting of anything knows how subjective collecting
is. What any given person considers collectable is collectable. Saying
what someone or what some other people collect is not collectable, is
junk, is crap, etc., etc. shows you don't understand collecting, or that
you do but are ornery and just looking to vent some kind of frustration
you're experiencing.

Above, the crack collector says that the 12-piece set of Saint replicas
I have is "crap." I earlier thought I'd try to sell this set but changed
my mind, realizing I really like it. The pieces I could find information
about are made by or for the American Historic Society, the Rhodes
Commemorative Society, Jake's Marketplace (a well-respected coin supply
dealer), and five private mints, most with good reputations, one with a
fairly notorious reputation for misleading advertising (among other
things, not directly indicating its replicas are replicas or copies but
instead calling them clad proofs, etc.), though its pricing is very much
within the range of other replica makers and the quality of its work,
ironically, is superb.

One of my Saint replicas is a monster piece 3-1/2 in. in diameter made
by another private mint, the Washington Mint, consisting of
gold-plated.999 silver, worth today a considerable amount more in its
bullion value alone than what I paid, though I didn't buy it for its
bullion value. Two of the Saint replica miniatures I have are solid
gold, one 24k, another 8k. Another piece, recently issued, is a
40mm-diameter .999 copper round based on the Saint design, an
interesting commentary on changing perceptions of this base metal, a
piece that's also skillfully made and remarkably inexpensive for what
you get.

Each of these 12 replicas are originally engraved, none made with cast
dies that are based on the original Saint-Gaudens double eagles or the
more recent U.S. Mint American Gold Eagle bullion coins, which
themselves are copies that commemorate and celebrate the original
design. Many consider the original design to be among the most beautiful
in the history of coinage. Each of these replicas is therefore not just
a copy of the original but also an interpretation of it. Paying
attention to such details, perceiving these differences, is not only
interesting it itself but also helps you appreciate the original design,
which though masterful does have its own subtle quirks, which an
analysis like this highlights.

All part of the fun, which for me also includes collecting original
Saints and American Gold Eagles. With the originals, I've focused solely
on the 1908 No Motto, and I've incrementally upgraded over the years,
all raw unslabbed coins, paying close attention, and learning how to pay
close attention, to the minute, fascinating differences with this
particular coin type (as with others) that distinguish one uncirculated
number grade from another.

My first was a 61 (my grade), then I bought a 62 and made money selling
the 61, then did the same with a 63, then the same with a 64, all
purchased from reputable dealers. I may have the 64, or what I think is
a 64 slabbed at some point. I call it a 63 at my Web site, being
conservative about it, perhaps too conservative, perhaps not. It could
go either 63 or 64, though what I wouldn't do, if I had it slabbed, is
have it slabbed more than once to keep trying for the higher grade --
slabbing company games that just benefit their balance sheet.

I don't currently feel a desire to further upgrade this 64/63, having
moved on to other stuff. But it's still delightful to pull out this 1908
No Motto Saint from the safe deposit box now and again and marvel at it,
glom on it for all its beauty and history and metallurgical lure.

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