On topic for a change
George D
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for the country.
Mr. Jaggers
> Is this really a KILO?
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320430333218
Not quite. 32 oz is two pounds, and a kilo is more or less 2.2 pounds.
Many countries informally sell a half kilo of goods as the equivalent of one
pound. Of course, scientists know that pounds and grams can only be
intercalculated under very limited circumstances.
James the Metric Man
Charles Edwards
two ounces Troy is one kilogram.
Chas. Ewards
George D
1 kilogram = 35.27392 oz avdp.
= 32.1505 oz troy.
= 5000 carats
= 15432.4 grains
= 1000 grams
= 643.014 pennyweight
= .1574728 stone
Source is convert.
http://joshmadison.com/software/convert-for-windows/
George
Mr. Jaggers
> There is confusion here between Avoirdupois and Troy weights. Thirty-
> two ounces Troy is one kilogram.
>
> Chas. Ewards
Ack, ya got me there, Chas. Of course, you *do* understand what I said
about converting mass and weight back and forth, yes?
James the Phoenix
Michael Benveniste
<lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com> wrote:
>Ack, ya got me there, Chas. Of course, you *do* understand what I said
>about converting mass and weight back and forth, yes?
There ya' go, trying to "force" the issue :-).
OTOH, The U.S. National Institute of Standards and Technology
categorizes ounces (both avoirdupois and troy) as units of mass:
http://ts.nist.gov/WeightsAndMeasures/Publications/appxc.cfm#5d
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Mr. Jaggers
> On Thu, 1 Oct 2009 19:51:51 -0500, "Mr. Jaggers"
> <lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com> wrote:
>
>> Ack, ya got me there, Chas. Of course, you *do* understand what I
>> said about converting mass and weight back and forth, yes?
>
> There ya' go, trying to "force" the issue :-).
>
> OTOH, The U.S. National Institute of Standards and Technology
> categorizes ounces (both avoirdupois and troy) as units of mass:
>
> http://ts.nist.gov/WeightsAndMeasures/Publications/appxc.cfm#5d
Weight and mass are two entirely different things, viz: a kilo of iron
"weighs" 2.2+ pounds, but only at sea level. As the kilo of iron achieves
greater elevations, its weight diminishes and, far enough away from any
gravitational effects, approaches zero. However, its mass is still one
kilo, as the kilo(gramme) is a measure of how much material is present, and
that does not change under gravity.
My body weight, to my extreme delight, would be much lower on the Moon, but
unfortunately, I would remain just as massive as I am down here.
The English unit of mass is the slug, and the metric unit of weight is the
newton (it is much more complicated than this, lest a physicist drop by and
start chewing).
James the Mathematically Challenged
Michael Benveniste
> Weight and mass are two entirely different things, viz: a kilo of iron
> "weighs" 2.2+ pounds, but only at sea level. As the kilo of iron
> achieves greater elevations, its weight diminishes and, far enough away
> from any gravitational effects, approaches zero. However, its mass is
> still one kilo, as the kilo(gramme) is a measure of how much material is
> present, and that does not change under gravity.
I'm well aware of that. Weight is a measure of force. In fact, you'll
notice I put the word "force" in quotes _and_ even added a smiley for
the humor impaired.
And yes, one only weighs 99.85% as much at the summit of Everest as
one weights at sea level. It doesn't change the fact that people can
and do convert between the two on a day-to-day basis, that NIST
lumps the ounce under units of mass, and that one can buy scales which
read in either grams or ounces, some of which actually measure weight and
others of which measure mass. In common usage, it all gets lost in the
noise.
Of course, if we want to be scientifically correct, "sea level" isn't
a precise measure of distance from the earth's center of mass. And we
shouldn't use the terms "gold coin" or "silver coin," except possibly for
some NCLT bullion like this thing. So instead, I suggest we move on to
picking somewhat larger nits.
Jud
> Of course, if we want to be scientifically correct, "sea level" isn't
> a precise measure of distance from the earth's center of mass. And we
> shouldn't use the terms "gold coin" or "silver coin," except possibly for
> some NCLT bullion like this thing. So instead, I suggest we move on to
> picking somewhat larger nits.
Sea level? Is that a high tide or low tide? 8-)
Jud - Lives where the tides are 10 ft +
mazorj
"Jud" <numis...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Picking a few remaining nits:
As you undoubtedly know, the funnel effect in the Bay of Fundy a few miles
up the coast from you can make 10-foot tides look like ripples in a pond!
And as you probably know but for the record, "sea level" usually is
standardized at MSL - Mean Sea Level.
Jud
>
> As you undoubtedly know, the funnel effect in the Bay of Fundy a few miles
> up the coast from you can make 10-foot tides look like ripples in a pond!
Yep...I was just up there about 2 weeks ago, trip to Cape Breton
(Northern Nova Scotia) and Prince Edward Island. Astounding scenery in
all 3 places. New Brunswick advertises Bay of Fundy tides by stating
that you can "walk on the ocean floor". Although there are many
'French' enclaves (including Acadian flags, a French flag with a gold
star in the upper left quadrant), I was unaware that in many areas the
road signs are not only in French/English, but also in Gaelic/English.
Ian would fit in beautifully!
mazorj
In August 1974 I vacationed in Nova Scotia, loved it so much that I went
back in September 1975. Even then Gaelic was prominent in Cape Breton and
proud of it. I went to a fiddlers' convention in an old, creaking theater
house in a small town somewhere in Nova Scotia and was much entertained by
the various genres of fiddle played there, including styles that even to my
untrained ear sounded distinctly like they were from the British Isles and
Norman regions. I still have a tape of it somewhere.
I didn't get to see the tides reversing the flow of rivers except in
postcards and tourist film clips. I did go rock hunting for amethyst on a
popular little spot on the bay (Partridge Island?) where you could see the
enormous variation in tides. At low tide there was a land bridge to walk
over. The high tide marks were well up the cliffsides. I only got a few
small pieces because a week earlier, the local rockhounds had picked it
clean right after a major storm had uncovered fresh areas of exposed rock.
:-(
I hope they have preserved their gorgeous, unspoiled countryside. I also
can see why people like Alexander Graham Bell built summer homes there. The
pleasantly temperate daytime temps (and even the occasional need to wear a
sweater or light jacket in the delightful air of their August afternoons!)
is a pleasant surprise for anyone used to the hot, muggy summers of the
Mid-Atlantic and southern seaboards.