Ebay is Unfair!
Kim
for no apparent reason give, then an eBay representative wrote to me and
instructed me to fax certain documentation in then my account would be
reinstated. I did so but my account was not reinstated. Now I have no income
and it is due to eBay's unfair policies and business practices. They cancel
your account and don't even explain why --- meanwhile I have lost, no doubt
just like many others and owe Fed Ex fees, DHL fees which are due at the end
of the month--of which I could have paid had my bids and account not been
canceled. They, eBay gave no reason why but just exerted their "No ask..no
tell why your account is being suspended".
Also, when I click on the above link to see a "printable copy" of the
lawsuit, a blank screen comes up. I would like to see a copy of that
lawsuit.
I have also been contacted by at least 9 - 10 others who need an attorney
along with myself, to sue eBay for the unfair business practices. I was
referred to Suzanna Gal from the San Jose District Attorney's Office, but
only after sending all my relevant paperwork and evidence to her, did she
not even respond and has done absolutely nothing on the case. She is a
foreigner and I have trouble understanding her English. I have nothing
against foreigners but I simply cannot understand her...only that she did
nothing on my case as well as many others, and she closed the case not
explaining to me what she did at all on my case. She only said "I cannot
force eBay into mediation"??? I wanted to see her office take much needed
prosecution and swift, harsh legal action against eBay..What a total waste
of time her office was. I even wrote to her supervisor and he sent me a
dear-john letter....nothing was ever done on my case. These people from the
DA's office are just as lazy and illegal in their conduct as eBay is.
We---myself and at least 10 others need a great attorney in that area or
whomever in the correction jurisdication has the know-how and much needed
follow-thru to sue eBay.
They have hurt me and damaged me for the last time! I have outstanding bills
and monetary obligations and I was doing great on eBay.
The other matter regarding eBay's outrageous feedback & shill-bidding
policies need to be filed within this same lawsuit.
Someone contact me for serious legal action against eBay. We (all 10 of us)
need a diligent, ethical attorney who will give eBay what they need most---a
kick in their legally constipated ass!
Kim
first...@charter.net
(541) 705-2856
Jonathan_ATC
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> Hi. My name is Kim and I was a powerseller on eBay. My account was
canceled
> for no apparent reason give, then an eBay representative wrote to me and
> instructed me to fax certain documentation in then my account would be
> reinstated. I did so but my account was not reinstated. Now I have no
income
> and it is due to eBay's unfair policies and business practices. They
cancel
> your account and don't even explain why --- meanwhile I have lost, no
doubt
> just like many others and owe Fed Ex fees, DHL fees which are due at the
end
> of the month--of which I could have paid had my bids and account not been
> canceled. They, eBay gave no reason why but just exerted their "No ask..no
> tell why your account is being suspended".
The FedEx and DHL fees should be paid by the profits from the items you
already shipped.
I wish you well in your lawsuit though. I know of many who have been
unfairly ousted from eBay.
Jonathan_ATC
Bruce Remick
"Kim" <first...@charter.net> wrote in message
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Life is often unfair. The thing called eBay is not a God-given right
bestowed upon people who have chosen to use it to make money for themselves.
People who have woven their financial existance around eBay should recall
what life was like for them BE. How did they manage to earn a living? If
you want to use eBay, you've gotta play by their rules and accept their
whims-- agree with them or not. If they kick you off for an unexplained
reason and you've got to find another way to sell your stuff, it's not much
different than getting booted out of the local country club where you made
all your business contacts. You should never have come to depend so much on
eBay to the extent you want to sue them if you feel they wronged you. But
go ahead, if that's what you feel you need to do. And good luck, unless you
manage to shut it down and spoil it for the rest of us who still enjoy it as
a fun and valuable tool for hobbyists and collectors.
Bruce
PeterD
wrote:
>Hi. My name is Kim and I was a powerseller on eBay.
What was your userid on eBay?
>My account was canceled
>for no apparent reason give,
What did their message say? *exactly*
>then an eBay representative wrote to me and
>instructed me to fax certain documentation in then my account would be
>reinstated. I did so but my account was not reinstated.
What did they say? Why didn't they like your documents?
>Now I have no income
>and it is due to eBay's unfair policies and business practices.
Why do I suspect you are feeding us a line
>They cancel
>your account and don't even explain why ---
Actually they did explain.
>meanwhile I have lost, no doubt
>just like many others and owe Fed Ex fees, DHL fees which are due at the end
>of the month
So? Those fees were for items you have already sold, so you *should*
have the money right?
>--of which I could have paid had my bids and account not been
>canceled. They, eBay gave no reason why but just exerted their "No ask..no
>tell why your account is being suspended".
Oh, they told you... You didn't like the reason, but they told you.
>
>Also, when I click on the above link to see a "printable copy" of the
>lawsuit, a blank screen comes up. I would like to see a copy of that
>lawsuit.
Lawsuit? What lawsuit? Where did this come from? Make sense, please?
What was the link? POST IT!
>
>I have also been contacted by at least 9 - 10 others who need an attorney
Just out of the blue? They just poped up? Humm, very interesting!
>along with myself, to sue eBay for the unfair business practices. I was
>referred to Suzanna Gal from the San Jose District Attorney's Office, but
>only after sending all my relevant paperwork and evidence to her, did she
>not even respond and has done absolutely nothing on the case. She is a
>foreigner and I have trouble understanding her English.
Let's see, you don't understand eBay's English. You don't understand
Ms. Gal's English...
>I have nothing
>against foreigners but I simply cannot understand her...only that she did
>nothing on my case as well as many others, and she closed the case not
>explaining to me what she did at all on my case. She only said "I cannot
>force eBay into mediation"???
That is totally clear to me... She is saying that eBay didn't break
the law, so that her office can't do anything. The DA is only there to
enforce the law, not for civil matters.
>I wanted to see her office take much needed
>prosecution
Prosecution for what *criminal* matter? What law did eBay break?
>and swift, harsh legal action against eBay..
Again...
>What a total waste
>of time her office was. I even wrote to her supervisor and he sent me a
>dear-john letter....nothing was ever done on my case. These people from the
>DA's office are just as lazy and illegal in their conduct as eBay is.
Not surprising, since you didn't understand Ms. Gal's answers...
>
>We---myself and at least 10 others need a great attorney in that area or
>whomever in the correction jurisdication has the know-how and much needed
>follow-thru to sue eBay.
>
I'd guess you hurt yourself... Where is the message that eBay sent you
when they canceled the account? Post it, verbatim!
>They have hurt me and damaged me for the last time! I have outstanding bills
>and monetary obligations and I was doing great on eBay.
"[You] were doing great on eBay" leads me to think that probably you
were doing something that was outside the eBay TOS.
>
>The other matter regarding eBay's outrageous feedback & shill-bidding
>policies need to be filed within this same lawsuit.
Ah, so you were shill bidding... And got a bunch of negs too... Just
what was your eBay ID? I'd like to read some of that outrageous
feedback myself.
>
>Someone contact me for serious legal action against eBay. We (all 10 of us)
>need a diligent, ethical attorney who will give eBay what they need most---a
>kick in their legally constipated ass!
Double oxymoron alert.
>
>Kim
>first...@charter.net
>(541) 705-2856
>
Mr. Jaggers
"Kim" <first...@charter.net> wrote in message
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My name is Mr. Jaggers, and until my semi-retirement, I specialized in
taking on the cases of persons who felt that "the world had done 'em wrong."
I also gained renown for my ability to consume an entire sandwich in less
time than it takes to talk about it.
I continue to offer my services to the especially select. For more
information, please contact Mr. Dickens, Gad's Hill Place, Higham, Kent
(U.K.).
Bruce Farley
have one side of the story.
Jim R
wrote:
>Life is often unfair. The thing called eBay is not a God-given right
>bestowed upon people who have chosen to use it to make money for themselves.
>People who have woven their financial existance around eBay should recall
>what life was like for them BE. How did they manage to earn a living? If
>you want to use eBay, you've gotta play by their rules and accept their
>whims-- agree with them or not.
Oh, CRAP! Companies who treat their customers without due care for
their welfare, or treat them like shit (like eBay does) are fair game
for anyone who can sue them for as much as they can. Good luck to
them!
(I speak as someone who has just had all my ebay items removed by
eBay.co.uk, with no explanantion or notification - and as far as I can
see they didn't breach any of eBay's terms and conditions).
Jim R
Jim R
<lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com> wrote:
>I continue to offer my services to the especially select. For more
>information, please contact Mr. Dickens, Gad's Hill Place, Higham, Kent
>(U.K.).
A professional who doesn't include a building or a postcode in his
address?
Jim R
Mr. Jaggers
anyone else so far.
James
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Bruce Remick
"Jim R" <Ji...@ntlntlntlntl.com> wrote in message
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Than you're perfectly free to not use eBay anymore or any other auction
venue that you don't like. eBay has treated most of us just fine over the
years. I'll continue to take advantage of what they offer as long as I'm
happy. I don't expect eBay to look out for my welfare. They're out to
make a dollar. Something you did caused them to do what they did.
Otherwise, they are usually most eager to keep customers. If you think you
can afford to sue them on whatever grounds you think might apply, good luck.
But I think you might be better off simply looking for another auction venue
if you need to sell your stuff that way.
Bruce
note.boy
I hate it when people dodge supplying their post code. Billy
nofeestillyoulose
puzzle and intrique you to lose your money with tens of ways of doing it.
yes you can get some decent buys but lets bet you eventually see this as a
money losing obessision.. Count yourself lucky they helped you leave.
If your worried about some fees. your not probably doing so great as power
seller.
"Kim" <first...@charter.net> wrote in message
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nofeestillyoulose
"Bruce Remick" <rem...@cox.net> wrote in message
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Ozark
> (541) 705-2856
Hi Kim,
Chances are you have been found quilty without a trial of breaking one
of Ebays rules.
This is not uncommon. It typically takes about a month to go through
the reinstatement process at which time you may or may not be
reinstated.
Be patient.
Try to follow the instructions Ebay sends. Don't send a lot of Emails,
this causes confusion.
Expect several emails from Ebay saying they have reviewed whatever you
submitted and decided that your suspension will remain in effect.
Ignore them.
Try Yahoo in the meantime.
See: http://whyebaysux.blogspot.com/ and
http://www.oreillynet.com/digitalmedia/blog/2005/05/why_ebay_sucks.html
You are not alone.
Kris Baker
"Kim" <first...@charter.net> wrote in message
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> canceled for no apparent reason give,
I have no idea what that sentence means, but apparently you
were accused of shilling -- which is the very topic you posted
the same screed under, on an online blog:
http://www.lawblog.com/2005/02/ebay-accused-of-shill-bidding.html
So, how many times were you accused of shill bidding? eBay
doesn't cancel your account for no reason.
Kris
Flatch U Lance.
"Kris Baker" <kris....@prodigyyy.net> wrote in message
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Good find, Sherlock. Of course there is more to the story than Kim let on.
He/She doesn't provide any tangible eBay related information yet asks people
to join her crusade. Also notice he hasn't posted back here since her
original cut and paste post. I suspect he's pasting it everywhere she can.
He got caught shill bidding and is now inviting everyone to her pity party.
Bruce Remick
C'mon. Everybody in Kent knows where Mr. Dickens lives. ;>)
Bruce Remick
"nofeestillyoulose" <addictedto...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> ebay is a maze that gives someone something to do. Its like they set up a
> puzzle and intrique you to lose your money with tens of ways of doing it.
> yes you can get some decent buys but lets bet you eventually see this as a
> money losing obessision.. Count yourself lucky they helped you leave.
> If your worried about some fees. your not probably doing so great as power
> seller.
If one can occasionally get some decent buys on eBay, how does a buyer end
up losing money? If someone sets up a business that is dependant on
auctioning their goods on eBay, and they lose money, they either have crappy
products that people don't want, or they set their starting bids near retail
which scared potential bidders off. I've never lost money as a buyer and
seller over about ten years. Sometimes I didn't get what I'd hoped for
selling an item. Other times I got several times more than I expected. I'm
not in it to make money, even if I sometimes do. I can't picture someone
able to get rid of junk from their garage or attic on eBay and then whining
about the fees they charge. Maybe they shoulda held a yard sale and hoped
for a customer or two.
Bruce
Kris Baker
"Flatch U Lance." <flatch...@whoreallycares09joknoin.com> wrote in
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>
>
> Good find, Sherlock.
Thank you. This one was easier than most.
Kris
Niel J Humphreys
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> On Apr 6, 5:44 am, "Kim" <first-r...@charter.net> wrote:
>> Hi. My name is Kim and I was a powerseller on eBay. My account was
>> canceled
>> for no apparent reason give,
>
> of Ebays rules.
More like chances are it's another fucking troll.
--
Niel H
Mr. Clean
spake thusly:
>Jim R
i think Jim R is the OP's sock puppet, and should be killfiled
accordingly.
this is the word of the lord.
d
Jerry Dennis
> Hi. My name is Kim and I was a powerseller on eBay. My account was canceled
> for no apparent reason give
<remaining gripe snipped>
My original ebay account was cancelled many years back. When I asked
ebay why, I got the standard, "Thank you for writing to ebay. You
account has been cancelled. Jimbo-Billy-Bob-Ray." This went on for
about 12 e-mails, my aggravation getting worse (I was trying to get a
Silver Eagle at the time). After calling every responder to task to
explain what they were talkingabout, I finally demanded that SOMEONE
speak English and give me a straight answer. Like a Sudoku puzzle, I
had to read between every line in every response to figure out that
one of my kids was a NPB on a couple of items, and only because she
lived in my house were all ebay accounts listed in that address
cancelled. So I said, "Piss on them." I opened another account with
a different name and a different address. What are they going to do
now? It's been years.
Trying to get an answer out of ebay is useless. If you don't like
their rules, don't play. There are many other online auction sites
available.
Jerry
Mr. Clean
<ad...@snowdoncomputersAaargh.co.uk> spake thusly:
how is one found quilty?
d
Mr. Clean
spake thusly:
>There are many other online auction sites
>available.
but can you sell anything on them? that's the real question.
d
Roberto Pirezzi
>
> "nofeestillyoulose" <addictedto...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:o4yRh.216$Lm.63@trndny05...
>> ebay is a maze that gives someone something to do. Its like they set up a
>> puzzle and intrique you to lose your money with tens of ways of doing it.
>> yes you can get some decent buys but lets bet you eventually see this as
>> a money losing obessision.. Count yourself lucky they helped you leave.
>> If your worried about some fees. your not probably doing so great as
>> power seller.
>
> If one can occasionally get some decent buys on eBay, how does a buyer end
> up losing money?
By buying 1 item from 1 seller dirt cheap, and a 2nd from another seller,
about on the money. Only 1 turns up, therefore buyer loses money lol
If someone sets up a business that is dependant on
> auctioning their goods on eBay, and they lose money, they either have
> crappy products that people don't want, or they set their starting bids
> near retail which scared potential bidders off.
Or they may not make their listings appealing. I know a friend who had a
load of unwanted gifts he was selling, and didn't attract a single bid worth
anywhere near a reasonable price.
I've never lost money as a buyer and
> seller over about ten years.
It's easier to lose money as a buyer. Losses are instant.
With selling, losses are cumulative over periods of time - i.e if you make a
loss selling 5 items on Monday, but sell 20 items at higher profit on
Tuesday, by Wednesay, overall, you have profited.
Out of say, 1000 items, it is fine to lose on some, if they help make a gain
on others. (repeat business, browsers -> impulse buyers etc). High feedback
scores are dependant on selling by VOLUME (and psychologically, people will
pay more if there is a lot of business going through one user).
Sometimes I didn't get what I'd hoped for
> selling an item. Other times I got several times more than I expected.
> I'm not in it to make money, even if I sometimes do.
If you're not in it for the money, then you can't have any expectation what
you will get for items.
Which class of person is in it for the money:
A) eBay Sellers.
B) People who give their items away to charity shops
I can't picture someone
> able to get rid of junk from their garage or attic on eBay and then
> whining about the fees they charge. Maybe they shoulda held a yard sale
> and hoped for a customer or two.
>
> Bruce
You only whine when things don't sell at all. It's like someone winning the
lottery jackpot, then moaning and groaning about the price of the ticket.
Pointless.
l2oberto
nofeestillyoulose
lol I thought thats who they market too?
So when they sell cheap to people like you and then end up losing selling
cheap ( after all its not junk you want) and getting large fees, they
should celebrate? On top of this thousands of links to make you believe you
just landed in utopia city without anyone really to help . Ebay use to be
ok, the fees are outrageous and sellers who sell with hundreds of complaints
( I don't cares if they sell thousands of items to ghosts) are enough
warning for anyone who is sane to avoid. . Most of all ebay fees are
outrageous
>
Tony Cooper
wrote:
>>>> Hi. My name is Kim and I was a powerseller on eBay. My account was
>>>> canceled
>>>> for no apparent reason give,
>>>
>>> Chances are you have been found quilty without a trial of breaking one
>>> of Ebays rules.
>
>how is one found quilty?
>
eBay patched a case together.
--
Tony Cooper
Orlando, FL
Mike
"Kim" <first...@charter.net> wrote in message
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> (541) 705-2856
Why do they suspend accounts there must be a reason for it?
Mike
I don't buy or sell on eBay. eBayt is a profit making business and I'm at a
loss as to why they would randomly boot off customers they make money from.
There HAS to be a reson for this behavior. What is it?
PC
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I am pretty sure I have seen Jim R post to RCC before.
Bruce Remick
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>
> "Bruce Remick" <rem...@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:OVARh.57976$s8....@newsfe21.lga...
>>
>> "nofeestillyoulose" <addictedto...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:o4yRh.216$Lm.63@trndny05...
>>> ebay is a maze that gives someone something to do. Its like they set up
>>> a puzzle and intrique you to lose your money with tens of ways of doing
>>> it. yes you can get some decent buys but lets bet you eventually see
>>> this as a money losing obessision.. Count yourself lucky they helped you
>>> leave.
>>> If your worried about some fees. your not probably doing so great as
>>> power seller.
>>
>> If one can occasionally get some decent buys on eBay, how does a buyer
>> end up losing money?
>
> By buying 1 item from 1 seller dirt cheap, and a 2nd from another seller,
> about on the money. Only 1 turns up, therefore buyer loses money lol
I never buy or bid on anything at a price I'm not satisfiedd with. Never
had an item I won not show up. Lucky maybe?
>
>
> If someone sets up a business that is dependant on
>> auctioning their goods on eBay, and they lose money, they either have
>> crappy products that people don't want, or they set their starting bids
>> near retail which scared potential bidders off.
>
> Or they may not make their listings appealing. I know a friend who had a
> load of unwanted gifts he was selling, and didn't attract a single bid
> worth anywhere near a reasonable price.
Happens all the time. But then all your friend lost was some listing fees.
He might have hit paydirt selling the stuff he otherwise didn't want.
>
>
> I've never lost money as a buyer and
>> seller over about ten years.
>
> It's easier to lose money as a buyer. Losses are instant.
Like I've said, I never lost money as a buyer. I paid what I wanted to.
>
> With selling, losses are cumulative over periods of time - i.e if you make
> a loss selling 5 items on Monday, but sell 20 items at higher profit on
> Tuesday, by Wednesay, overall, you have profited.
You seem to be describing someone who depends on using eBay for their
business. I'm thinking more of people who sell collectibles, junk, misc.
stuff on eBay. I don't put collectible items up for auction without first
researching to see what similar items usually bring. If the prices are
attractive, I might put my stuff up. I always make a modest profit, and
sometimes a large one. Business people who rely on eBay have to contend
with lots of variables, not the least of which are competition and lack of
interest-- same as they would in a shop.
>
> Out of say, 1000 items, it is fine to lose on some, if they help make a
> gain on others. (repeat business, browsers -> impulse buyers etc). High
> feedback scores are dependant on selling by VOLUME (and psychologically,
> people will pay more if there is a lot of business going through one
> user).
>
>
> Sometimes I didn't get what I'd hoped for
>> selling an item. Other times I got several times more than I expected.
>> I'm not in it to make money, even if I sometimes do.
>
> If you're not in it for the money, then you can't have any expectation
> what you will get for items.
You sure can if you do some research. I'm in it to get the going value for
whatever I'm selling, coins or otherwise. Any profit is a bonus. I usually
get what my research tells me to expect. I usually plan to use that money
for something else, often something I see on eBay.
>
> Which class of person is in it for the money:
>
> A) eBay Sellers.
>
> B) People who give their items away to charity shops
What's your point here? Some people like to take a crack at selling stuff
on eBay they might otherwise throw away. Sometimes what they make is a
jaw-dropping surprise. Other people may give their stuff to charity shops
and will keep an itemized list in order to take a tax deduction. Still
others just give their stuff to charity to be done with it. The choices
are always there.
>
> I can't picture someone
>> able to get rid of junk from their garage or attic on eBay and then
>> whining about the fees they charge. Maybe they shoulda held a yard sale
>> and hoped for a customer or two.
>>
>> Bruce
>
> You only whine when things don't sell at all. It's like someone winning
> the lottery jackpot, then moaning and groaning about the price of the
> ticket. Pointless.
Anyone attempting to sell their garage or attic junk on eBay is gambling on
a surprise result. Someone who buys a lottery jackpot ticket and doesn't
win doesn't usually whine either. He expected to lose in the first place.
A win would have been a bonus surprise. The junk seller usually feels the
same way. No big deal if their junk didn't bring much or anything on eBay.
They were going to dump it anyway.
Bruce
Bruce Remick
So you think it's outrageous to pay forty cents to have your auction item
listed on eBay exposed to millions of people all over the world, complete
with color photos and paragraphs of description? And then pay eBay a few %
commission for the opportunity? How much would your local paper charge for
an ad like that? And how many interested buyers walk by your yard sale?
I don't buy junk on eBay. I've sold some though. Stuff I was going to
throw away. Like found money, and a fun experience, too. If you couldn't
stop yourself from buying stuff from wacko sellers like you describe, you
should have learned a lesson before having to shoot yourself in the foot
while doing so. And if you are a buyer, you pay no fees.
Bruce
steve
just open a new account like everyone else?
Don Lancaster
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> I never buy or bid on anything at a price I'm not satisfiedd with. Never
> had an item I won not show up. Lucky maybe?
LIAR! Everybody looses money on eBay!
Roberto Pirezzi
>
> "Roberto Pirezzi" <roberto...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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>>
>> "Bruce Remick" <rem...@cox.net> wrote in message
>> news:OVARh.57976$s8....@newsfe21.lga...
>>>
>>> "nofeestillyoulose" <addictedto...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:o4yRh.216$Lm.63@trndny05...
>>>> ebay is a maze that gives someone something to do. Its like they set up
>>>> a puzzle and intrique you to lose your money with tens of ways of doing
>>>> it. yes you can get some decent buys but lets bet you eventually see
>>>> this as a money losing obessision.. Count yourself lucky they helped
>>>> you leave.
>>>> If your worried about some fees. your not probably doing so great as
>>>> power seller.
>>>
>>> If one can occasionally get some decent buys on eBay, how does a buyer
>>> end up losing money?
>>
>> By buying 1 item from 1 seller dirt cheap, and a 2nd from another seller,
>> about on the money. Only 1 turns up, therefore buyer loses money lol
>
> I never buy or bid on anything at a price I'm not satisfiedd with. Never
> had an item I won not show up. Lucky maybe?
Guess what. I don't know what it's like to die from cancer. Does that mean
it doesn't happen?
Just because it's not happened to you, means it doesn't happen?
>
>>
>>
>> If someone sets up a business that is dependant on
>>> auctioning their goods on eBay, and they lose money, they either have
>>> crappy products that people don't want, or they set their starting bids
>>> near retail which scared potential bidders off.
>>
>> Or they may not make their listings appealing. I know a friend who had a
>> load of unwanted gifts he was selling, and didn't attract a single bid
>> worth anywhere near a reasonable price.
>
> Happens all the time. But then all your friend lost was some listing
> fees. He might have hit paydirt selling the stuff he otherwise didn't
> want.
Money is lost if they sell under value (if my friend needed a new engine for
his car which cost £300 and the value of his items was, £400, and he makes
£200, he has lost in sales. Bids are final. end of story.)
>
>>
>>
>> I've never lost money as a buyer and
>>> seller over about ten years.
>>
>> It's easier to lose money as a buyer. Losses are instant.
>
> Like I've said, I never lost money as a buyer. I paid what I wanted to.
That is fucked up. If you pay £100 for something I pay £50 for, you have
lost £50 whether you care to admit it not!
>
>>
>> With selling, losses are cumulative over periods of time - i.e if you
>> make a loss selling 5 items on Monday, but sell 20 items at higher profit
>> on Tuesday, by Wednesay, overall, you have profited.
>
> You seem to be describing someone who depends on using eBay for their
> business.
You started it! see your own post.
QUOTE " If someone sets up a business that is dependant on
>>> auctioning their goods on eBay"
I'm thinking more of people who sell collectibles, junk, misc.
> stuff on eBay. I don't put collectible items up for auction without
> first researching to see what similar items usually bring. If the prices
> are attractive, I might put my stuff up. I always make a modest profit,
> and sometimes a large one. Business people who rely on eBay have to
> contend with lots of variables, not the least of which are competition and
> lack of interest-- same as they would in a shop.
What exactly is a antique shop if it's not a business?
>
>>
>> Out of say, 1000 items, it is fine to lose on some, if they help make a
>> gain on others. (repeat business, browsers -> impulse buyers etc). High
>> feedback scores are dependant on selling by VOLUME (and psychologically,
>> people will pay more if there is a lot of business going through one
>> user).
>>
>>
>> Sometimes I didn't get what I'd hoped for
>>> selling an item. Other times I got several times more than I expected.
>>> I'm not in it to make money, even if I sometimes do.
>>
>> If you're not in it for the money, then you can't have any expectation
>> what you will get for items.
>
> You sure can if you do some research. I'm in it to get the going value
> for whatever I'm selling, coins or otherwise. Any profit is a bonus. I
> usually get what my research tells me to expect. I usually plan to use
> that money for something else, often something I see on eBay.
If your research says you will likely make x. and you fail. How is that a
success story?
>
>>
>> Which class of person is in it for the money:
>>
>> A) eBay Sellers.
>>
>> B) People who give their items away to charity shops
>
> What's your point here? Some people like to take a crack at selling stuff
> on eBay they might otherwise throw away. Sometimes what they make is a
> jaw-dropping surprise. Other people may give their stuff to charity shops
> and will keep an itemized list in order to take a tax deduction. Still
> others just give their stuff to charity to be done with it. The choices
> are always there.
Anyone who gives items away are not in it for the money. You say a profit is
a bonus. If you think that way, you're in it for the money. I don't see you
saying, any profit I make I donate to charity, no sir, you like the fact you
can make money from selling your items, so just admit it, and stop expecting
me to believe someone who talks about research for item value isn't in it
for the money. You're not the type of person someone wanting to re-sell
would use. You research too hard, and you need the extra money from each
sale. If you were not in it for the money, ANY sale is a sale. So what if it
was under value!
>
>>
>> I can't picture someone
>>> able to get rid of junk from their garage or attic on eBay and then
>>> whining about the fees they charge. Maybe they shoulda held a yard sale
>>> and hoped for a customer or two.
>>>
>>> Bruce
>>
>> You only whine when things don't sell at all. It's like someone winning
>> the lottery jackpot, then moaning and groaning about the price of the
>> ticket. Pointless.
>
> Anyone attempting to sell their garage or attic junk on eBay is gambling
> on a surprise result.
Garage and attic junk is actually worth more than everyday commodities.
Antiques and collectables have a huge market, so it wouldn't be a surprise
result if something sells, it's a surprise when it exceeds all (financial)
expectations, and a clear dissapointment if it fails to sell.
Someone who buys a lottery jackpot ticket and doesn't
> win doesn't usually whine either.
I can assure you, they do.
He expected to lose in the first place.
Just because someone expects to lose doesnt mean they are happy when they
do.
> A win would have been a bonus surprise.
A win would be the REASON they bought the ticket. The HOPE.
The junk seller usually feels the
> same way.
The junk seller has no expectation of anything, as a jackpot is a jackpot,
but there is no clear cut expectation from a piece of shit.
No big deal if their junk didn't bring much or anything on eBay.
> They were going to dump it anyway.
>
> Bruce
And that is why many people rumage through the tip. :-) So, let them carry
on failing to sell, as others manage it quite successfully.
l2oberto
Andrew Heenan
> More like chances are it's another fucking troll.
Time to get therapy for the tourette's?
--
Andrew
eBaY Weirdities
http://www.weirdity.com/ebay/
Norfolk & Way - Our Aim Is To Please
http://www.norfolk-and-way.com/
Aram H. Haroutunian
into our NG. (Unknowingly, I am sure.)
Bruce- Please trim your headers!!
Aram.
==================
"Mr. Jaggers" <lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com> wrote in message
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> Egad, I just realized that I didn't trim my headers before, and neither
has
> anyone else so far.
>
> James
>
>snip<
Bruce Remick
"Aram H. Haroutunian" <bust...@ca.rr.com> wrote in message
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>I wish Bruce Remick had read this. He has single-handedly invited the
>world
> into our NG. (Unknowingly, I am sure.)
> Bruce- Please trim your headers!!
My apologies (too late, obviously). I guess I was so absorbed with the
subject matter I didn't notice that 18-wheeler barreling towards me on the
sidewalk.
Bruce Jones
Kent Wills
<first...@charter.net> wrote:
>Hi. My name is Kim and I was a powerseller on eBay. My account was canceled
>for no apparent reason give,
They gave you no reason at all? Just sent an email stating
your account is terminated?
What, exactly, did the communication they sent informing you
of the suspension/termination say?
>then an eBay representative wrote to me and
>instructed me to fax certain documentation in then my account would be
>reinstated. I did so but my account was not reinstated.
When did you fax the copies? If it was just this morning, you
shouldn't be surprised that you've yet to be reinstated.
>Now I have no income
>and it is due to eBay's unfair policies and business practices. They cancel
>your account and don't even explain why --- meanwhile I have lost, no doubt
>just like many others and owe Fed Ex fees, DHL fees which are due at the end
>of the month--of which I could have paid had my bids and account not been
>canceled.
The fees owed are for past auctions. You already have the
money the buyers sent you to cover the cost of shipping these items.
Current auctions won't matter in this regard.
>They, eBay gave no reason why but just exerted their "No ask..no
>tell why your account is being suspended".
They surely gave you some reason. Even if it was somewhat
vague. Something like, "You violated rule number 478a." [NOTE: I have
no idea if there is such a rule. I just made up a number at random.]
The reason they gave may not have been specific, but I expect
one was given.
>
>Also, when I click on the above link to see a "printable copy" of the
>lawsuit, a blank screen comes up. I would like to see a copy of that
>lawsuit.
You've lost me here. I see no link above.
>
>I have also been contacted by at least 9 - 10 others who need an attorney
>along with myself, to sue eBay for the unfair business practices. I was
>referred to Suzanna Gal from the San Jose District Attorney's Office, but
>only after sending all my relevant paperwork and evidence to her, did she
>not even respond and has done absolutely nothing on the case.
That means there's insufficient evidence for a criminal
investigation. The San Jose DA's office is probably busy. Unless and
until there is evidence to support a *criminal* complaint, they can't
do much.
>She is a
>foreigner and I have trouble understanding her English. I have nothing
>against foreigners but I simply cannot understand her...only that she did
>nothing on my case as well as many others, and she closed the case not
>explaining to me what she did at all on my case. She only said "I cannot
>force eBay into mediation"???
Which is true. If she's with the DA's office, she can only
act on matters of criminal law. You are dealing with civil and
contract law.
Why would you even take a civil matter to the DA's office?
>I wanted to see her office take much needed
>prosecution and swift, harsh legal action against eBay..What a total waste
>of time her office was. I even wrote to her supervisor and he sent me a
>dear-john letter....nothing was ever done on my case.
Present evidence of *criminal* activity, not possible
violations of civil and/or contract law, and they can do something.
>These people from the
>DA's office are just as lazy and illegal in their conduct as eBay is.
You've offered NO evidence of any illegal activity form anyone
in your post. I do hope you have *something* to support the
accusation of illegal activity on the part of the San Jose DA's
office, lest you find yourself in court for libel.
>
>We---myself and at least 10 others need a great attorney in that area or
>whomever in the correction jurisdication has the know-how and much needed
>follow-thru to sue eBay.
You are free to file suit, of course, and pay the money needed
to get it going, but based on what you've written here, I don't see a
winnable complaint on your end.
Still, speak with a lawyer who deals with civil and contract
law. S/He will review everything and be in a much better position to
evaluate your options.
Look in you phone book for attorneys in your area. You'll
likely find one who will give you a free initial consultation.
>
>They have hurt me and damaged me for the last time! I have outstanding bills
>and monetary obligations and I was doing great on eBay.
If you were doing so great, why do you have outstanding bills?
You should have paid them upon receipt, or, at the very latest, when
due.
>
>The other matter regarding eBay's outrageous feedback & shill-bidding
>policies need to be filed within this same lawsuit.
What, exactly, is outrageous about their feedback policy?
I've never had a problem as a buyer. Having never sold anything on
eBay, I can't comment as a seller.
Shill bidding is a problem with some auctions. I hope it's
not as common as some would have us believe.
I haven't seen anything that makes me believe any auction I
was involved with had a shill, but I must point out in five years of
using eBay, I've only won 30 auctions. I've bid on maybe 50.
>
>Someone contact me for serious legal action against eBay. We (all 10 of us)
>need a diligent, ethical attorney who will give eBay what they need most---a
>kick in their legally constipated ass!
>
You've offered nothing in your post to make me think eBay has
done anything of a criminal nature regarding you. And I don't see any
actionable offense in a civil matter.
FYI: Posting your phone number (I presume that was your
personal phone number) to Usenet is a BAD idea.
--
Kent
No todos los que ven tus obras ven tus virtudes.
Kent Wills
<rem...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>"Roberto Pirezzi" <roberto...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
>news:4tudnS9AbMoLwYrb...@bt.com...
>>
>> "Bruce Remick" <rem...@cox.net> wrote in message
>> news:OVARh.57976$s8....@newsfe21.lga...
>>>
>>> "nofeestillyoulose" <addictedto...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:o4yRh.216$Lm.63@trndny05...
>>>> ebay is a maze that gives someone something to do. Its like they set up
>>>> a puzzle and intrique you to lose your money with tens of ways of doing
>>>> it. yes you can get some decent buys but lets bet you eventually see
>>>> this as a money losing obessision.. Count yourself lucky they helped you
>>>> leave.
>>>> If your worried about some fees. your not probably doing so great as
>>>> power seller.
>>>
>>> If one can occasionally get some decent buys on eBay, how does a buyer
>>> end up losing money?
>>
>> By buying 1 item from 1 seller dirt cheap, and a 2nd from another seller,
>> about on the money. Only 1 turns up, therefore buyer loses money lol
>
>I never buy or bid on anything at a price I'm not satisfiedd with. Never
>had an item I won not show up. Lucky maybe?
>
I've only had one item never show up. I was out $28.00.
The seller is no longer a registered eBayer since I was not
the only one he (I'm presuming male) did this to.
--
Kent
Bless me, Father, for I have committed an original sin.
I poked a badger with a spoon.
Kent Wills
Pirezzi" <roberto...@btinternet.com> wrote:
[various snips for brevity]
>>>
>>> By buying 1 item from 1 seller dirt cheap, and a 2nd from another seller,
>>> about on the money. Only 1 turns up, therefore buyer loses money lol
>>
>> I never buy or bid on anything at a price I'm not satisfiedd with. Never
>> had an item I won not show up. Lucky maybe?
>
>Guess what. I don't know what it's like to die from cancer. Does that mean
>it doesn't happen?
>
>Just because it's not happened to you, means it doesn't happen?
He doesn't say it doesn't happen. Just that it hasn't
happened to him.
[...]
>>
>> Happens all the time. But then all your friend lost was some listing
>> fees. He might have hit paydirt selling the stuff he otherwise didn't
>> want.
>
>Money is lost if they sell under value (if my friend needed a new engine for
>his car which cost £300 and the value of his items was, £400, and he makes
>£200, he has lost in sales. Bids are final. end of story.)
>
An item is only worth what someone is willing to pay. If your
friend is willing to pay £300 for the new engine and he gets it for
that price, he's not lost anything.
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I've never lost money as a buyer and
>>>> seller over about ten years.
>>>
>>> It's easier to lose money as a buyer. Losses are instant.
>>
>> Like I've said, I never lost money as a buyer. I paid what I wanted to.
>
>That is fucked up. If you pay £100 for something I pay £50 for, you have
>lost £50 whether you care to admit it not!
Only if he thinks the item is only worth £50. If he put in a
bid of £100 or more, then he see the item as being worth £100 or
more.
>
>>
>>>
>>> With selling, losses are cumulative over periods of time - i.e if you
>>> make a loss selling 5 items on Monday, but sell 20 items at higher profit
>>> on Tuesday, by Wednesay, overall, you have profited.
>>
>> You seem to be describing someone who depends on using eBay for their
>> business.
>
>You started it! see your own post.
It was someone named Kim who started the thread.
>
>QUOTE " If someone sets up a business that is dependant on
>>>> auctioning their goods on eBay"
>
> I'm thinking more of people who sell collectibles, junk, misc.
>> stuff on eBay. I don't put collectible items up for auction without
>> first researching to see what similar items usually bring. If the prices
>> are attractive, I might put my stuff up. I always make a modest profit,
>> and sometimes a large one. Business people who rely on eBay have to
>> contend with lots of variables, not the least of which are competition and
>> lack of interest-- same as they would in a shop.
>
>What exactly is a antique shop if it's not a business?
>
It's a business that would be in competition with the auction
on eBay as described in the hypothetical above.
[...]
>>>
>>> If you're not in it for the money, then you can't have any expectation
>>> what you will get for items.
>>
>> You sure can if you do some research. I'm in it to get the going value
>> for whatever I'm selling, coins or otherwise. Any profit is a bonus. I
>> usually get what my research tells me to expect. I usually plan to use
>> that money for something else, often something I see on eBay.
>
>If your research says you will likely make x. and you fail. How is that a
>success story?
>
One might be likely to make x, but that doesn't mean they
will. If the auction closes at a price the seller likes, then it's a
win for the seller. And if the seller wants to ensure a minimum
amount, s/he will set a reserve.
>>
>>>
>>> Which class of person is in it for the money:
>>>
>>> A) eBay Sellers.
>>>
>>> B) People who give their items away to charity shops
>>
>> What's your point here? Some people like to take a crack at selling stuff
>> on eBay they might otherwise throw away. Sometimes what they make is a
>> jaw-dropping surprise. Other people may give their stuff to charity shops
>> and will keep an itemized list in order to take a tax deduction. Still
>> others just give their stuff to charity to be done with it. The choices
>> are always there.
>
>Anyone who gives items away are not in it for the money. You say a profit is
>a bonus. If you think that way, you're in it for the money. I don't see you
>saying, any profit I make I donate to charity, no sir, you like the fact you
>can make money from selling your items, so just admit it, and stop expecting
>me to believe someone who talks about research for item value isn't in it
>for the money. You're not the type of person someone wanting to re-sell
>would use. You research too hard, and you need the extra money from each
>sale. If you were not in it for the money, ANY sale is a sale. So what if it
>was under value!
If the other option is to throw the item away, getting no
money for it, then it's fair market value wouldn't matter.
[...]
>
>
>Someone who buys a lottery jackpot ticket and doesn't
>> win doesn't usually whine either.
>
>I can assure you, they do.
I've not heard anyone whine because they didn't win the Power
Ball. And I used to work in a convenience store that sold tickets
(years ago).
>
>He expected to lose in the first place.
>
>Just because someone expects to lose doesnt mean they are happy when they
>do.
While they probably wouldn't dance a jig from losing, few
people would be so unstable as to let their losing the lottery cause
them to get angry about it. If they do, they most probably have
issues that need to be addressed with the aide of a competent mental
health professional.
>
>
>
>> A win would have been a bonus surprise.
>
>A win would be the REASON they bought the ticket. The HOPE.
>
They buy it in hopes that, despite the odds, they'll win.
They're buying the "right" to dream about winning.
[...]
>
>
> No big deal if their junk didn't bring much or anything on eBay.
>> They were going to dump it anyway.
>>
>> Bruce
>
>And that is why many people rumage through the tip. :-) So, let them carry
>on failing to sell, as others manage it quite successfully.
>
That's the way of business. Some make it, some don't.
Everyone has the right to fail at business.
--
Kent
Aspire to inspire before you expire.
Kent Wills
<spamb...@bell.net> wrote:
[...]
>>>
>>> I never buy or bid on anything at a price I'm not satisfiedd with. Never
>>> had an item I won not show up. Lucky maybe?
>>
>> Guess what. I don't know what it's like to die from cancer. Does that mean
>> it doesn't happen?
>>
>> Just because it's not happened to you, means it doesn't happen?
>>
>
>
>
>You just have to wonder about people who search out, and post to a newgroup
>like ALT.ANTI.EBAY
>Only to question or critique everyone who posts anything with less than
>glowing opinions of it.
>
There are several newsgroups included in the list.
--
Kent
"I most stonger than Darth Vapor!"
-- Zladko "Zlad" Vladcik
Salty
> Hi. My name is Kim and I was a powerseller on eBay.
Hi Kim.
My account was canceled
> for no apparent reason give,
They always give a reason. Are you a person who likes lying or are you
someone who can't help lying? Is lying a chronic problem for you?
then an eBay representative wrote to me and
> instructed me to fax certain documentation in then my account would be
> reinstated.
Ah? So they DID give a reason!
I did so but my account was not reinstated.
You didn't give them the documentation that they requested. Why would
they reinstate you if you didn't do what they requested?
Now I have no income
> and it is due to eBay's unfair policies and business practices.
No it isn't. It is due to your life choices.
If I decided that the only thing that I wanted to do was be president of
the US and I wasn't elected, could I claim that my lack of income was
due to the White House's policies?
This is basically what you are claiming.
They cancel
> your account and don't even explain why
They always explain why. You either ignored or didn't like their
explanation and are now whining. I suspect that you have had a lifetime
of experience at whining and blaming others for your mistakes.
--- meanwhile I have lost, no doubt
> just like many others and owe Fed Ex fees, DHL fees which are due at the end
> of the month--of which I could have paid had my bids and account not been
> canceled. They, eBay gave no reason why but just exerted their "No ask..no
> tell why your account is being suspended".
Why keep on with this BS? Anyone with experience of eBay knows that they
always give reason. You may not like or agree with the reason, but
none the less, it exists.
>
> Also, when I click on the above link to see a "printable copy" of the
> lawsuit, a blank screen comes up. I would like to see a copy of that
> lawsuit.
Maybe that blank screen really does contain the substance of the "lawsuit".
>
> I have also been contacted by at least 9 - 10 others who need an attorney
> along with myself, to sue eBay for the unfair business practices.
You should have inserted some music here. You know, suspense music so
that others realise that this is where you are really stretching the
truth to breaking point.
I was
> referred to Suzanna Gal from the San Jose District Attorney's Office, but
> only after sending all my relevant paperwork and evidence to her, did she
> not even respond and has done absolutely nothing on the case.
Only after sending...?
So she was responding but stopped when you sent the "relevant"
paperwork? Maybe she can't laugh and type at the same time?
She is a
> foreigner and I have trouble understanding her English.
She can't speak white trash? That could be a problem for people like
you. The San Jose's DA office should have considered that when they
hired her. Fluency in white trash should be a prerequisite.
I have nothing
> against foreigners but I simply cannot understand her...only that she did
> nothing on my case as well as many others, and she closed the case not
> explaining to me what she did at all on my case.
Maybe you didn't HAVE a case. Has that thought occurred to you?
She only said "I cannot
> force eBay into mediation"???
Of course she was lying. She could have called out the National Guard or
diverted troops from Iraq and forced eBay if she really wanted to -
couldn't she?
I wanted to see her office take much needed
> prosecution and swift, harsh legal action against eBay.
I'll just bet you did. Much the same way that you would like members of
the opposite sex to stop laughing at you and doormen to allow you to
enter buildings. Unfortunately none of these things is ever likely to
happen.
.What a total waste
> of time her office was. I even wrote to her supervisor and he sent me a
> dear-john letter....nothing was ever done on my case.
I wouldn't be too sure of that. It may have provided a great deal of
mirth for bored office workers.
These people from the
> DA's office are just as lazy and illegal in their conduct as eBay is.
So it is the whole world that is out to get you, not just eBay?
>
> We---myself and at least 10 others
Ten? it was nine or ten a few paragraphs back. Now it is at least ten.
Are these others doing naughty things in the darkness of your intellect?
need a great attorney in that area or
> whomever in the correction jurisdication has the know-how and much needed
> follow-thru to sue eBay.
You can sue anybody, but in order to win and avoid costs, you actually
have to have grounds. You seem to have overlooked that little item.
>
> They have hurt me and damaged me for the last time! I have outstanding bills
> and monetary obligations and I was doing great on eBay.
Obviously some of the people who you were dealing with didn't agree.
They complained to eBay and eBay, being the caring, concerned entity hat
it is, listened to them and then chopped you off at the knees.
>
> The other matter regarding eBay's outrageous feedback & shill-bidding
> policies need to be filed within this same lawsuit.
So they caught you padding your feedback and shilling your listings up?
>
> Someone contact me for serious legal action against eBay.
No. I might be interested in frivolous legal action, but not serious.
Frivolity is much more fun than seriousness. They have balloons and
party favours with frivolity.
We (all 10 of us)
> need a diligent, ethical attorney who will give eBay what they need most---a
> kick in their legally constipated ass!
Never going to happen.
Have a good (eBay-free) day.
Regards
Salty
PC
<NON...@eBaysxs.org> wrote in message
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Looses what? Of do you mean loses?
PC
"PC" <PCam...@Sydney.au> wrote in message
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Ha ha. That is rich.
Kris Baker
"Salty" <p...@nty.net> wrote in message
news:57ri41F...@mid.individual.net...
>
> I was
>> referred to Suzanna Gal from the San Jose District Attorney's Office, but
>> only after sending all my relevant paperwork and evidence to her, did she
>> not even respond and has done absolutely nothing on the case.
>
> Only after sending...?
>
> So she was responding but stopped when you sent the "relevant" paperwork?
> Maybe she can't laugh and type at the same time?
>
> She is a
>> foreigner and I have trouble understanding her English.
>
> She can't speak white trash? That could be a problem for people like you.
> The San Jose's DA office should have considered that when they hired her.
> Fluency in white trash should be a prerequisite.
There is no such thing as a San Jose DA's office. There *is* a
city attorney's office. The District Attorney is at the Santa Clara
County level, which does happens to be in San Jose. There is no
such person as "Suzanna Gal" listed (although she seems to
be the subject of a few bad folk songs).
I think we can put this one down as a a 3 on the Troll-O-Meter.
Kris
Roberto Pirezzi
"Kent Wills" <comp...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:acpg13ln9r4aeripm...@4ax.com...
> As I understand it, on Sat, 7 Apr 2007 17:43:10 +0100, "Roberto
> Pirezzi" <roberto...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
> [various snips for brevity]
>
>>>>
>>>> By buying 1 item from 1 seller dirt cheap, and a 2nd from another
>>>> seller,
>>>> about on the money. Only 1 turns up, therefore buyer loses money lol
>>>
>>> I never buy or bid on anything at a price I'm not satisfiedd with.
>>> Never
>>> had an item I won not show up. Lucky maybe?
>>
>>Guess what. I don't know what it's like to die from cancer. Does that mean
>>it doesn't happen?
>>
>>Just because it's not happened to you, means it doesn't happen?
>
> He doesn't say it doesn't happen. Just that it hasn't
> happened to him.
But that is a pretty arrogant claim. Sure, it may be a correct and valid
claim, but doesn't do much to answer the question that it does happen, and
from the post made, several statements that do not apply to him are made
(ideas/concepts/hypothetical situations). Seems hellbent on claiming IT has
never happened to him, while arguing the opposite that something does/can
happen. Basically, it's all about what fits his agenda, whether he is
willing to accept the open box version.
i.e it's like saying (once again) he has no knowledge of the feeling of
dying of cancer, but accepts and understands people dying from a heart
attack. Whatever suits the discussion at the time it seems.
>
> [...]
>
>>>
>>> Happens all the time. But then all your friend lost was some listing
>>> fees. He might have hit paydirt selling the stuff he otherwise didn't
>>> want.
>>
>>Money is lost if they sell under value (if my friend needed a new engine
>>for
>>his car which cost £300 and the value of his items was, £400, and he makes
>>£200, he has lost in sales. Bids are final. end of story.)
>>
>
> An item is only worth what someone is willing to pay.
That's not true. How many times has someone HAD to have something (on
impulse) and later said "probabaly paid over the odds for it".
What someone pays for something has no reflection on it's worth. (hence the
trend of buying to resell).
In some peoples eyes, an item is only worth what they can resell it for.
If your
> friend is willing to pay £300 for the new engine and he gets it for
> that price, he's not lost anything.
Depends how he came into the £300. Example outlined in prior reply.
>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I've never lost money as a buyer and
>>>>> seller over about ten years.
>>>>
>>>> It's easier to lose money as a buyer. Losses are instant.
>>>
>>> Like I've said, I never lost money as a buyer. I paid what I wanted to.
>>
>>That is fucked up. If you pay £100 for something I pay £50 for, you have
>>lost £50 whether you care to admit it not!
>
> Only if he thinks the item is only worth £50. If he put in a
> bid of £100 or more, then he see the item as being worth £100 or
> more.
It is still a fucked up notion to pay more for something than everyone else
does.
I cannot genuinely see someone sat in the pub with 10 friends, all
discussing the price they paid for the same item (whatever it is), and one
person bragging about paying double what everyone else did.
>
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> With selling, losses are cumulative over periods of time - i.e if you
>>>> make a loss selling 5 items on Monday, but sell 20 items at higher
>>>> profit
>>>> on Tuesday, by Wednesay, overall, you have profited.
>>>
>>> You seem to be describing someone who depends on using eBay for their
>>> business.
>>
>>You started it! see your own post.
>
> It was someone named Kim who started the thread.
I was not talking about the thread starting point, only what I chose to
reply to.
>
>>
>>QUOTE " If someone sets up a business that is dependant on
>>>>> auctioning their goods on eBay"
>>
>> I'm thinking more of people who sell collectibles, junk, misc.
>>> stuff on eBay. I don't put collectible items up for auction without
>>> first researching to see what similar items usually bring. If the
>>> prices
>>> are attractive, I might put my stuff up. I always make a modest profit,
>>> and sometimes a large one. Business people who rely on eBay have to
>>> contend with lots of variables, not the least of which are competition
>>> and
>>> lack of interest-- same as they would in a shop.
>>
>>What exactly is a antique shop if it's not a business?
>>
>
> It's a business that would be in competition with the auction
> on eBay as described in the hypothetical above.
The statement made should have read: "Business is Business, whether it is
conducted on eBay or in a Shop"
The argument launches straight into using eBay as the controlling point,
when at the end of the day, the mode used for the business doesn't matter if
the variables are identical.
>
> [...]
>
>>>>
>>>> If you're not in it for the money, then you can't have any expectation
>>>> what you will get for items.
>>>
>>> You sure can if you do some research. I'm in it to get the going value
>>> for whatever I'm selling, coins or otherwise. Any profit is a bonus. I
>>> usually get what my research tells me to expect. I usually plan to use
>>> that money for something else, often something I see on eBay.
>>
>>If your research says you will likely make x. and you fail. How is that a
>>success story?
>>
>
> One might be likely to make x, but that doesn't mean they
> will. If the auction closes at a price the seller likes, then it's a
> win for the seller. And if the seller wants to ensure a minimum
> amount, s/he will set a reserve.
If I had a box of trinkets and I just wanted to get rid of them, a reserve
would be useless. If I wanted to make sure I was getting SOMETHING worthy
for them, then research would lead me to establish the kind of sum of money
I'd expect to make, and no sane person woud believe someone isn't in it for
the money if they are trying to sell items they know has some kind of value,
and they expect to hit that mark.
If you're not in it for the money, "fair market value" is a term that
doesn't enter the head!
>
> [...]
>
>>
>>
>>Someone who buys a lottery jackpot ticket and doesn't
>>> win doesn't usually whine either.
>>
>>I can assure you, they do.
>
> I've not heard anyone whine because they didn't win the Power
> Ball. And I used to work in a convenience store that sold tickets
> (years ago).
I'm not saying they break down in tears over a loss, but the dissapointment
that it was "another week to lose" is whining. Any negative comment about
not winning the lottery is whining. What else can it be?
>
>>
>>He expected to lose in the first place.
>>
>>Just because someone expects to lose doesnt mean they are happy when they
>>do.
>
> While they probably wouldn't dance a jig from losing, few
> people would be so unstable as to let their losing the lottery cause
> them to get angry about it. If they do, they most probably have
> issues that need to be addressed with the aide of a competent mental
> health professional.
I'm not saying they get angry over it. It's much the same as when I go for
diesel, and it's gone up a penny. I might say "damn, not again" but I
wouldn't start bashing the cashier over the price rise.
>
>>
>>
>>
>>> A win would have been a bonus surprise.
>>
>>A win would be the REASON they bought the ticket. The HOPE.
>>
>
> They buy it in hopes that, despite the odds, they'll win.
> They're buying the "right" to dream about winning.
Some could say the same thing about listing a bag of shit on eBay.
>
> [...]
>
>>
>>
>> No big deal if their junk didn't bring much or anything on eBay.
>>> They were going to dump it anyway.
>>>
>>> Bruce
>>
>>And that is why many people rumage through the tip. :-) So, let them carry
>>on failing to sell, as others manage it quite successfully.
>>
>
> That's the way of business. Some make it, some don't.
> Everyone has the right to fail at business.
I wouldn't say they had the "right to fail", I think that is a little harsh
and over the top. I think everyone has the right to attempt to make a
business work. Nobody goes into business on the expectation of failing. If
they do, it is no wonder the majority fail.
l2oberto
Roberto Pirezzi
It is kinda impossible to define luck without some statistics.
If I claim 100% of ALL items I've won and paid for turned up, that doesn't
mean i'm lucky if I only won 2 items in total.
I shop a lot in general on the net, to the tune of over 10,000 (roughly 60%
imported records, north american DVDs, books) items over the past 8 years.
total items missing, 6. Total loss. £8.00 (the only item so far never
refunded or replaced, though a 2nd item of about 2.50 is awaiting refund).
I should also say, the total figure of parcels includes all goods purchased
on the internet (or telephone in the odd case) by family members.
Am I lucky? Or have I just received a expected service?
As for the eBay seller, more than likely he ran off with the money, and I
think that is still a major reason why people are afraid of using it.
(credit card chargebacks not relevant for the purpose of that point)
l2oberto
Salty
> "Salty" <p...@nty.net> wrote in message
> news:57ri41F...@mid.individual.net...
>> I was
>>> referred to Suzanna Gal from the San Jose District Attorney's Office, but
>>> only after sending all my relevant paperwork and evidence to her, did she
>>> not even respond and has done absolutely nothing on the case.
>> Only after sending...?
>>
>> So she was responding but stopped when you sent the "relevant" paperwork?
>> Maybe she can't laugh and type at the same time?
>>
>> She is a
>>> foreigner and I have trouble understanding her English.
>> She can't speak white trash? That could be a problem for people like you.
>> The San Jose's DA office should have considered that when they hired her.
>> Fluency in white trash should be a prerequisite.
>
> There is no such thing as a San Jose DA's office.
No?
What is at 70 West Hedding Street, West Wing San Jose, CA 95110?
A great many people seem to think that the District Attorney lurks there
when not otherwise distracted. I am more than happy to stand corrected
if this is no longer the case.
There *is* a
> city attorney's office. The District Attorney is at the Santa Clara
> County level, which does happens to be in San Jose. There is no
> such person as "Suzanna Gal"
Would *YOU* give the op your real name if you didn't have to?
listed (although she seems to
> be the subject of a few bad folk songs).
>
> I think we can put this one down as a a 3 on the Troll-O-Meter.
Only a three?
Regards
Salty
Kris Baker
> Kris Baker wrote:
>> "Salty" <p...@nty.net> wrote in message
>> news:57ri41F...@mid.individual.net...
>>> I was
>>>> referred to Suzanna Gal from the San Jose District Attorney's Office,
>>>> but only after sending all my relevant paperwork and evidence to her,
>>>> did she not even respond and has done absolutely nothing on the case.
>>> Only after sending...?
>>>
>>> So she was responding but stopped when you sent the "relevant"
>>> paperwork? Maybe she can't laugh and type at the same time?
>>>
>>> She is a
>>>> foreigner and I have trouble understanding her English.
>>> She can't speak white trash? That could be a problem for people like
>>> you. The San Jose's DA office should have considered that when they
>>> hired her. Fluency in white trash should be a prerequisite.
>>
>> There is no such thing as a San Jose DA's office.
>
> No?
>
> What is at 70 West Hedding Street, West Wing San Jose, CA 95110?
Santa Clara DA's office, just as I said. There *is* no "San Jose DA",
only the San Jose city attorney.
> A great many people seem to think that the District Attorney lurks there
> when not otherwise distracted. I am more than happy to stand corrected if
> this is no longer the case.
There's a difference between "Santa Clara DA's office with a San Jose
address" and nonexistant "San Jose DA".
> There *is* a
>> city attorney's office. The District Attorney is at the Santa Clara
>> County level, which does happens to be in San Jose. There is no
>> such person as "Suzanna Gal"
>
> Would *YOU* give the op your real name if you didn't have to?
The closest name is a male; apparently, s/he's easily fooled ;)
> listed (although she seems to
>> be the subject of a few bad folk songs).
>>
>> I think we can put this one down as a a 3 on the Troll-O-Meter.
>
> Only a three?
>
>
> Regards
>
> Salty
Three. It was suspected early on, even though we kept replying.
A higher rating requires that no one suspects that they're
being trolled.
Kris
Mr. Clean
spake thusly:
you're just talkin' to yourself there, aincha?
Kris Baker
Yeah, but he caught himself in a Skitt's Law situation - and was
pointing it out before we all laughed at him.
Look carefully at what he typed.
Kris
Roberto Pirezzi
<som...@some.domain> wrote in message
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> In article <fq6dnR4kc_rQbIXb...@bt.com>, "Roberto Pirezzi"
> direct. they had 3 strikes. i did the forms exactly, 4 times
> in one case and never got a real answer. my conclusion was
> their rebates are a scam. other shared my expirience.
> i don't give tiger direct my considerable pc parts
> purchases. their loss.
> never did a coind shop rebate, they don't seem common.
You hit on a point that is pretty much a core source of income to business,
and that is repeat business.
The majority of professional business people go the extra mile (whatever
they do that they deem the extra mile) to secure your loyalty, as it is a
competitive world out there.
I fail to see how a business can remain active if they continually fail to
meet the needs of it's customer base. Eventually, one day, they will lose
everything, but experience tells me some businesses dont care, as the
directors have bled people dry that long, they have made their millions.
l2oberto
Roberto Pirezzi
"PC" <PCam...@Sydney.au> wrote in message
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>
Loose money would be handy, bit like the elastic in my underpants, stretches
to accomodate those extra beers that the stretched money can afford.
l2oberto
NON...@ebaysxs.org
> Looses what? Of do you mean loses?
They loose MONEY on eBay. Can't you read?
Niel J Humphreys
news:evb3tq$sv5$3...@reader2.panix.com...
Whoooosh, that one went so far over your head it's in orbit. lol
--
Niel H
PeterD
have pitty, he knows not what he says... Or does... Or thinks...
Oh, wait, maybe he's not thinking????
Kris Baker
<NON...@eBaysxs.org> wrote in message
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I second Niel's <whoosh>. This is incredible.
Bobbo
> have pitty, he knows not what he says... Or does... Or thinks...
>
> Oh, wait, maybe he's not thinking????
Hey genius, if you insist on mocking someone else's spelling it would
be better if your own post was spelled correctly!
Pogonip
goosy moose.
--
Joanne
stitches @ singerlady.reno.nv.us.earth.milky-way.com
http://members.tripod.com/~bernardschopen/
Kris Baker
"Pogonip" <nob...@nowhere.org> wrote in message
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> Kris Baker wrote:
>> <NON...@eBaysxs.org> wrote in message
>> news:evb3tq$sv5$3...@reader2.panix.com...
>>
>>>In alt.anti-ebay PC <PCam...@sydney.au> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>LIAR! Everybody looses money on eBay!
>>>
>>>>Looses what? Of do you mean loses?
>>>
>>>They loose MONEY on eBay. Can't you read?
>>
>>
>> I second Niel's <whoosh>. This is incredible.
> This is just great. Now he's got me looking for a loose noose for a goosy
> moose.
>
> --
> Joanne
You'll loose it, you know. It's a roose.
Kroose
Mr. Clean
Pogonip
Vi'lets is blooo.
Anjous in heaven
Pears I luv tooo.
PC
"Bobbo" <fwd...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Ha! Skitt's (or Bell's) law has struck again! Somehow you escaped it
though.
RBTGT
booted you?
Sorry, I don't believe it.
Methinks you did something to merit this treatment and that you are not
divulging it here or you ignored previous admonitions from eBay about
something or another, first.
"Kim" <first...@charter.net> wrote in message
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> Hi. My name is Kim and I was a powerseller on eBay. My account was
> canceled for no apparent reason give, then an eBay representative wrote to
> me and instructed me to fax certain documentation in then my account would
> be reinstated. I did so but my account was not reinstated. Now I have no
> income and it is due to eBay's unfair policies and business practices.
> They cancel your account and don't even explain why --- meanwhile I have
> lost, no doubt just like many others and owe Fed Ex fees, DHL fees which
> are due at the end of the month--of which I could have paid had my bids
> and account not been canceled. They, eBay gave no reason why but just
> exerted their "No ask..no tell why your account is being suspended".
>
> Also, when I click on the above link to see a "printable copy" of the
> lawsuit, a blank screen comes up. I would like to see a copy of that
> lawsuit.
>
> I have also been contacted by at least 9 - 10 others who need an attorney
> along with myself, to sue eBay for the unfair business practices. I was
> referred to Suzanna Gal from the San Jose District Attorney's Office, but
> only after sending all my relevant paperwork and evidence to her, did she
> not even respond and has done absolutely nothing on the case. She is a
> foreigner and I have trouble understanding her English. I have nothing
> against foreigners but I simply cannot understand her...only that she did
> nothing on my case as well as many others, and she closed the case not
> explaining to me what she did at all on my case. She only said "I cannot
> force eBay into mediation"??? I wanted to see her office take much needed
> prosecution and swift, harsh legal action against eBay..What a total waste
> of time her office was. I even wrote to her supervisor and he sent me a
> dear-john letter....nothing was ever done on my case. These people from
> the DA's office are just as lazy and illegal in their conduct as eBay is.
>
> We---myself and at least 10 others need a great attorney in that area or
> whomever in the correction jurisdication has the know-how and much needed
> follow-thru to sue eBay.
>
> They have hurt me and damaged me for the last time! I have outstanding
> bills and monetary obligations and I was doing great on eBay.
>
> The other matter regarding eBay's outrageous feedback & shill-bidding
> policies need to be filed within this same lawsuit.
>
> Someone contact me for serious legal action against eBay. We (all 10 of
> us) need a diligent, ethical attorney who will give eBay what they need
> most---a kick in their legally constipated ass!
>
> Kim
> first...@charter.net
> (541) 705-2856
>
Alex Clayton
> news:HwpRh.134896$_73....@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>> us) need a diligent, ethical attorney
Well you have about as much chance finding one of those as there is a chance
that anything you said here is true.
--
Stupidity should be painful
Kris Baker
> Kris Baker wrote:
>> "Pogonip" <nob...@nowhere.org> wrote in message
>> news:46197cbd$1...@news.bnb-lp.com...
>>
>>>Kris Baker wrote:
>>>
>>>><NON...@eBaysxs.org> wrote in message
>>>>news:evb3tq$sv5$3...@reader2.panix.com...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>In alt.anti-ebay PC <PCam...@sydney.au> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>LIAR! Everybody looses money on eBay!
>>>>>
>>>>>>Looses what? Of do you mean loses?
>>>>>
>>>>>They loose MONEY on eBay. Can't you read?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I second Niel's <whoosh>. This is incredible.
>>>
>>>This is just great. Now he's got me looking for a loose noose for a
>>>goosy moose.
>>>
>>>--
>>>Joanne
>>
>>
>> You'll loose it, you know. It's a roose.
>>
>> Kroose
> Rooses are red, m'luv.
> Vi'lets is blooo.
> Anjous in heaven
> Pears I luv tooo.
>
> --
> Joanne
I can't touch that ooze.
Kris
Pogonip
Kris Baker
You win booze. Just figure out whooze it is.
Kris
Pogonip
Kris Baker
Then it's time to say "Adooze"
Kris
PC
"Kris Baker" <kris....@prodigyyy.net> wrote in message
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>
>
> Then it's time to say "Adooze"
>
Sorry but you looze.
Kris Baker
"PC" <PCam...@Melbourne.au> wrote in message
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I didn't get the nooze.
Kris
Eric Hochman
Are we here to buy coins or to schmooze?
--
Kent Wills
Pirezzi" <roberto...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
>"Kent Wills" <comp...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:acpg13ln9r4aeripm...@4ax.com...
>> As I understand it, on Sat, 7 Apr 2007 17:43:10 +0100, "Roberto
>> Pirezzi" <roberto...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>
>> [various snips for brevity]
>>
>>>>>
>>>>> By buying 1 item from 1 seller dirt cheap, and a 2nd from another
>>>>> seller,
>>>>> about on the money. Only 1 turns up, therefore buyer loses money lol
>>>>
>>>> I never buy or bid on anything at a price I'm not satisfiedd with.
>>>> Never
>>>> had an item I won not show up. Lucky maybe?
>>>
>>>Guess what. I don't know what it's like to die from cancer. Does that mean
>>>it doesn't happen?
>>>
>>>Just because it's not happened to you, means it doesn't happen?
>>
>> He doesn't say it doesn't happen. Just that it hasn't
>> happened to him.
>
>But that is a pretty arrogant claim.
I didn't see it as arrogant. Simply a statement that was true
for him at the time he made it.
>Sure, it may be a correct and valid
>claim, but doesn't do much to answer the question that it does happen, and
>from the post made, several statements that do not apply to him are made
>(ideas/concepts/hypothetical situations). Seems hellbent on claiming IT has
>never happened to him, while arguing the opposite that something does/can
>happen.
I've never had a meteorite fall in my yard, but that doesn't
mean others haven't. It's quite possible to state X has not happened
to me, but it has to others.
Ad that he ended the line with, "Lucky maybe?" and it's clear
he's accepting that it happens to others.
>Basically, it's all about what fits his agenda, whether he is
>willing to accept the open box version.
>
>i.e it's like saying (once again) he has no knowledge of the feeling of
>dying of cancer, but accepts and understands people dying from a heart
>attack. Whatever suits the discussion at the time it seems.
>
I didn't take it that way.
>>
>> [...]
>>
>>>>
>>>> Happens all the time. But then all your friend lost was some listing
>>>> fees. He might have hit paydirt selling the stuff he otherwise didn't
>>>> want.
>>>
>>>Money is lost if they sell under value (if my friend needed a new engine
>>>for
>>>his car which cost £300 and the value of his items was, £400, and he makes
>>>£200, he has lost in sales. Bids are final. end of story.)
>>>
>>
>> An item is only worth what someone is willing to pay.
>
>That's not true. How many times has someone HAD to have something (on
>impulse) and later said "probabaly paid over the odds for it".
If it was an impulse buy, it wasn't something they *needed* at
the time.
>
>What someone pays for something has no reflection on it's worth. (hence the
>trend of buying to resell).
If person A buys something for X, it was worth X to that
person. If person B buys it from person A for X + 20, then to person
B it was worth X + 20.
>
>In some peoples eyes, an item is only worth what they can resell it for.
>
Sad people, IMO.
>
> If your
>> friend is willing to pay £300 for the new engine and he gets it for
>> that price, he's not lost anything.
>
>Depends how he came into the £300. Example outlined in prior reply.
>
How get got the money isn't at issue here. That he was
willing to pay £300 for an engine is.
>
>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I've never lost money as a buyer and
>>>>>> seller over about ten years.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's easier to lose money as a buyer. Losses are instant.
>>>>
>>>> Like I've said, I never lost money as a buyer. I paid what I wanted to.
>>>
>>>That is fucked up. If you pay £100 for something I pay £50 for, you have
>>>lost £50 whether you care to admit it not!
>>
>> Only if he thinks the item is only worth £50. If he put in a
>> bid of £100 or more, then he see the item as being worth £100 or
>> more.
>
>It is still a fucked up notion to pay more for something than everyone else
>does.
>
It's pretty stupid, IMO, but if the buyer wants to spend more,
than the item is worth that value to that person.
>I cannot genuinely see someone sat in the pub with 10 friends, all
>discussing the price they paid for the same item (whatever it is), and one
>person bragging about paying double what everyone else did.
>
I've not seen anyone brag about paying more than someone else.
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> With selling, losses are cumulative over periods of time - i.e if you
>>>>> make a loss selling 5 items on Monday, but sell 20 items at higher
>>>>> profit
>>>>> on Tuesday, by Wednesay, overall, you have profited.
>>>>
>>>> You seem to be describing someone who depends on using eBay for their
>>>> business.
>>>
>>>You started it! see your own post.
>>
>> It was someone named Kim who started the thread.
>
>I was not talking about the thread starting point, only what I chose to
>reply to.
OK. I misunderstood what you meant. It had me confused for a
bit.
>
>>
>>>
>>>QUOTE " If someone sets up a business that is dependant on
>>>>>> auctioning their goods on eBay"
>>>
>>> I'm thinking more of people who sell collectibles, junk, misc.
>>>> stuff on eBay. I don't put collectible items up for auction without
>>>> first researching to see what similar items usually bring. If the
>>>> prices
>>>> are attractive, I might put my stuff up. I always make a modest profit,
>>>> and sometimes a large one. Business people who rely on eBay have to
>>>> contend with lots of variables, not the least of which are competition
>>>> and
>>>> lack of interest-- same as they would in a shop.
>>>
>>>What exactly is a antique shop if it's not a business?
>>>
>>
>> It's a business that would be in competition with the auction
>> on eBay as described in the hypothetical above.
>
>The statement made should have read: "Business is Business, whether it is
>conducted on eBay or in a Shop"
>
>The argument launches straight into using eBay as the controlling point,
>when at the end of the day, the mode used for the business doesn't matter if
>the variables are identical.
>
Exactly.
>>
>> [...]
>>
>>>>>
>>>>> If you're not in it for the money, then you can't have any expectation
>>>>> what you will get for items.
>>>>
>>>> You sure can if you do some research. I'm in it to get the going value
>>>> for whatever I'm selling, coins or otherwise. Any profit is a bonus. I
>>>> usually get what my research tells me to expect. I usually plan to use
>>>> that money for something else, often something I see on eBay.
>>>
>>>If your research says you will likely make x. and you fail. How is that a
>>>success story?
>>>
>>
>> One might be likely to make x, but that doesn't mean they
>> will. If the auction closes at a price the seller likes, then it's a
>> win for the seller. And if the seller wants to ensure a minimum
>> amount, s/he will set a reserve.
>
>If I had a box of trinkets and I just wanted to get rid of them, a reserve
>would be useless. If I wanted to make sure I was getting SOMETHING worthy
>for them, then research would lead me to establish the kind of sum of money
>I'd expect to make, and no sane person woud believe someone isn't in it for
>the money if they are trying to sell items they know has some kind of value,
>and they expect to hit that mark.
Which is why some people set reserves. They want to get at
least X amount.
>
>
>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Which class of person is in it for the money:
>>>>>
>>>>> A) eBay Sellers.
>>>>>
>>>>> B) People who give their items away to charity shops
>>>>
>>>> What's your point here? Some people like to take a crack at selling
>>>> stuff
>>>> on eBay they might otherwise throw away. Sometimes what they make is a
>>>> jaw-dropping surprise. Other people may give their stuff to charity
>>>> shops
>>>> and will keep an itemized list in order to take a tax deduction. Still
>>>> others just give their stuff to charity to be done with it. The
>>>> choices
>>>> are always there.
>>>
>>>Anyone who gives items away are not in it for the money. You say a profit
>>>is
>>>a bonus. If you think that way, you're in it for the money. I don't see
>>>you
>>>saying, any profit I make I donate to charity, no sir, you like the fact
>>>you
>>>can make money from selling your items, so just admit it, and stop
>>>expecting
>>>me to believe someone who talks about research for item value isn't in it
>>>for the money. You're not the type of person someone wanting to re-sell
>>>would use. You research too hard, and you need the extra money from each
>>>sale. If you were not in it for the money, ANY sale is a sale. So what if
>>>it
>>>was under value!
>>
>> If the other option is to throw the item away, getting no
>> money for it, then it's fair market value wouldn't matter.
>
>If you're not in it for the money, "fair market value" is a term that
>doesn't enter the head!
>
We're agreeing more than not here.
>
>>
>> [...]
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Someone who buys a lottery jackpot ticket and doesn't
>>>> win doesn't usually whine either.
>>>
>>>I can assure you, they do.
>>
>> I've not heard anyone whine because they didn't win the Power
>> Ball. And I used to work in a convenience store that sold tickets
>> (years ago).
>
>I'm not saying they break down in tears over a loss, but the dissapointment
>that it was "another week to lose" is whining. Any negative comment about
>not winning the lottery is whining. What else can it be?
>
Acknowledging that the they didn't win.
>
>>
>>>
>>>He expected to lose in the first place.
>>>
>>>Just because someone expects to lose doesnt mean they are happy when they
>>>do.
>>
>> While they probably wouldn't dance a jig from losing, few
>> people would be so unstable as to let their losing the lottery cause
>> them to get angry about it. If they do, they most probably have
>> issues that need to be addressed with the aide of a competent mental
>> health professional.
>
>I'm not saying they get angry over it. It's much the same as when I go for
>diesel, and it's gone up a penny. I might say "damn, not again" but I
>wouldn't start bashing the cashier over the price rise.
>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> A win would have been a bonus surprise.
>>>
>>>A win would be the REASON they bought the ticket. The HOPE.
>>>
>>
>> They buy it in hopes that, despite the odds, they'll win.
>> They're buying the "right" to dream about winning.
>
>Some could say the same thing about listing a bag of shit on eBay.
>
If you can find a buyer, more power to you.
>
>>
>> [...]
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> No big deal if their junk didn't bring much or anything on eBay.
>>>> They were going to dump it anyway.
>>>>
>>>> Bruce
>>>
>>>And that is why many people rumage through the tip. :-) So, let them carry
>>>on failing to sell, as others manage it quite successfully.
>>>
>>
>> That's the way of business. Some make it, some don't.
>> Everyone has the right to fail at business.
>
>I wouldn't say they had the "right to fail", I think that is a little harsh
>and over the top.
It's a line I got from my Business Law professor at college.
He loved to talk about two businesses he started that failed.
"Everyone has the right to fail at business, and I took advantage of
it twice."
>I think everyone has the right to attempt to make a
>business work. Nobody goes into business on the expectation of failing. If
>they do, it is no wonder the majority fail.
>
I don't think anyone expects to fail. However, they go in
knowing it's an up hill battle for, at least, the first year.
--
Kent
"I most stonger than Darth Vapor!"
-- Zladko "Zlad" Vladcik
Kent Wills
Pirezzi" <roberto...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
>"Kent Wills" <comp...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:biog13puhckg4mb7e...@4ax.com...
>> As I understand it, on Sat, 7 Apr 2007 09:13:18 -0400, "Bruce Remick"
>> <rem...@cox.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Roberto Pirezzi" <roberto...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
>>>news:4tudnS9AbMoLwYrb...@bt.com...
>>>>
>>>> "Bruce Remick" <rem...@cox.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:OVARh.57976$s8....@newsfe21.lga...
>>>>>
>>>>> "nofeestillyoulose" <addictedto...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:o4yRh.216$Lm.63@trndny05...
>>>>>> ebay is a maze that gives someone something to do. Its like they set
>>>>>> up
>>>>>> a puzzle and intrique you to lose your money with tens of ways of
>>>>>> doing
>>>>>> it. yes you can get some decent buys but lets bet you eventually see
>>>>>> this as a money losing obessision.. Count yourself lucky they helped
>>>>>> you
>>>>>> leave.
>>>>>> If your worried about some fees. your not probably doing so great as
>>>>>> power seller.
>>>>>
>>>>> If one can occasionally get some decent buys on eBay, how does a buyer
>>>>> end up losing money?
>>>>
>>>> By buying 1 item from 1 seller dirt cheap, and a 2nd from another
>>>> seller,
>>>> about on the money. Only 1 turns up, therefore buyer loses money lol
>>>
>>>I never buy or bid on anything at a price I'm not satisfiedd with. Never
>>>had an item I won not show up. Lucky maybe?
>>>
>>
>> I've only had one item never show up. I was out $28.00.
>> The seller is no longer a registered eBayer since I was not
>> the only one he (I'm presuming male) did this to.
>
>It is kinda impossible to define luck without some statistics.
A quick check of my feedback shows 42 feedbacks with a score
of 32. More than I originally guessed.
>
>If I claim 100% of ALL items I've won and paid for turned up, that doesn't
>mean i'm lucky if I only won 2 items in total.
>
>I shop a lot in general on the net, to the tune of over 10,000 (roughly 60%
>imported records, north american DVDs, books) items over the past 8 years.
>total items missing, 6. Total loss. £8.00 (the only item so far never
>refunded or replaced, though a 2nd item of about 2.50 is awaiting refund).
>
>I should also say, the total figure of parcels includes all goods purchased
>on the internet (or telephone in the odd case) by family members.
>
>Am I lucky? Or have I just received a expected service?
I would say an expected service.
>
>As for the eBay seller, more than likely he ran off with the money, and I
>think that is still a major reason why people are afraid of using it.
>(credit card chargebacks not relevant for the purpose of that point)
When they guy took my $28.00, I sent payment via a money
order. It made it easy to prove I sent it, he got it, and deposited
it. I expect it would be just as easy, maybe easier, with a credit
card, but I wasn't using them at the time and haven't used one with
Paypal.
I set up a bank account solely for Paypal use. I don't
understand why people attach their primary banking account to Paypal.
--
Kent
Aspire to inspire before you expire.
Kent Wills
som...@some.domain wrote:
[...]
>the only things i haven't gotten were rebates from tiger
>direct. they had 3 strikes. i did the forms exactly, 4 times
>in one case and never got a real answer. my conclusion was
>their rebates are a scam. other shared my expirience.
>i don't give tiger direct my considerable pc parts
>purchases. their loss.
>never did a coind shop rebate, they don't seem common.
I **NEVER** buy based on a rebate. If something I need and
would have bought anyway has a rebate, I'll fill out the forms and
send everything in. If I get the rebate, great. If not, no biggie.
I have no idea the ratio of rebates I got to those I did not.
I've never kept track.
Kurt
Kent Wills <comp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >As for the eBay seller, more than likely he ran off with the money, and I
> >think that is still a major reason why people are afraid of using it.
> >(credit card chargebacks not relevant for the purpose of that point)
>
> When they guy took my $28.00, I sent payment via a money
> order. It made it easy to prove I sent it, he got it, and deposited
> it. I expect it would be just as easy, maybe easier, with a credit
> card, but I wasn't using them at the time and haven't used one with
> Paypal.
> I set up a bank account solely for Paypal use. I don't
> understand why people attach their primary banking account to Paypal.
Or why anyone would use a bank account to fund a Paypal payment...
Always use a credit card.
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Roberto Pirezzi
> As I understand it, on Sun, 8 Apr 2007 14:31:53 +0100, "Roberto
> Pirezzi" <roberto...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Kent Wills" <comp...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:acpg13ln9r4aeripm...@4ax.com...
>>> As I understand it, on Sat, 7 Apr 2007 17:43:10 +0100, "Roberto
>>> Pirezzi" <roberto...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> [various snips for brevity]
>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> By buying 1 item from 1 seller dirt cheap, and a 2nd from another
>>>>>> seller,
>>>>>> about on the money. Only 1 turns up, therefore buyer loses money lol
>>>>>
>>>>> I never buy or bid on anything at a price I'm not satisfiedd with.
>>>>> Never
>>>>> had an item I won not show up. Lucky maybe?
>>>>
>>>>Guess what. I don't know what it's like to die from cancer. Does that
>>>>mean
>>>>it doesn't happen?
>>>>
>>>>Just because it's not happened to you, means it doesn't happen?
>>>
>>> He doesn't say it doesn't happen. Just that it hasn't
>>> happened to him.
>>
>>But that is a pretty arrogant claim.
>
> I didn't see it as arrogant. Simply a statement that was true
> for him at the time he made it.
I've just never liked those kind of claims! It's always felt they are giving
the finger to the poor sods who have experienced it.
>
>>Sure, it may be a correct and valid
>>claim, but doesn't do much to answer the question that it does happen, and
>>from the post made, several statements that do not apply to him are made
>>(ideas/concepts/hypothetical situations). Seems hellbent on claiming IT
>>has
>>never happened to him, while arguing the opposite that something does/can
>>happen.
>
> I've never had a meteorite fall in my yard, but that doesn't
> mean others haven't. It's quite possible to state X has not happened
> to me, but it has to others.
> Ad that he ended the line with, "Lucky maybe?" and it's clear
> he's accepting that it happens to others.
The difference is whether you give a damn if it has happened to other
people, or just glad it hasn't happened to you.
>
>>Basically, it's all about what fits his agenda, whether he is
>>willing to accept the open box version.
>>
>>i.e it's like saying (once again) he has no knowledge of the feeling of
>>dying of cancer, but accepts and understands people dying from a heart
>>attack. Whatever suits the discussion at the time it seems.
>>
>
> I didn't take it that way.
>
>>>
>>> [...]
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Happens all the time. But then all your friend lost was some listing
>>>>> fees. He might have hit paydirt selling the stuff he otherwise didn't
>>>>> want.
>>>>
>>>>Money is lost if they sell under value (if my friend needed a new engine
>>>>for
>>>>his car which cost £300 and the value of his items was, £400, and he
>>>>makes
>>>>£200, he has lost in sales. Bids are final. end of story.)
>>>>
>>>
>>> An item is only worth what someone is willing to pay.
>>
>>That's not true. How many times has someone HAD to have something (on
>>impulse) and later said "probabaly paid over the odds for it".
>
> If it was an impulse buy, it wasn't something they *needed* at
> the time.
Yeah, it was. Thats impulse. It wasn't something they needed *before* they
saw it, and wont be something they need *after* they buy it. The whole point
of impulse is the desire to have it there and then, and that is a need at
that specific time.
>
>>
>>What someone pays for something has no reflection on it's worth. (hence
>>the
>>trend of buying to resell).
>
> If person A buys something for X, it was worth X to that
> person. If person B buys it from person A for X + 20, then to person
> B it was worth X + 20.
I get what you're saying, but its not the definitive answer. There are
factors that determine an items worth, and price is not always one of them.
The urgency of purchase (gift for instance) doesn't reflect worth, it
reflects necessity. I think value may come into your equation somewhat more
than worth as a single definitive. Afterall, price generally feature value
somewhere in tow.
>
>>
>>In some peoples eyes, an item is only worth what they can resell it for.
>>
>
> Sad people, IMO.
I disagree with the general sweep of that opinion.
Many people (from single traders to multi-billion [currency] corporations
have the view of reselling items for mega profit. Half the people in eBay
are in it for the money, and a large proportion of the other half won't
admit it. Most peoples homes do not get that much junk without £££ signs in
the purchasers eyes.
>
>>
>> If your
>>> friend is willing to pay £300 for the new engine and he gets it for
>>> that price, he's not lost anything.
>>
>>Depends how he came into the £300. Example outlined in prior reply.
>>
>
> How get got the money isn't at issue here. That he was
> willing to pay £300 for an engine is.
Re-read the thread. It is EXACTLY the issue, as the engine was a example.
I'll quote myself:
"Money is lost if they sell under value (if my friend needed a new engine
for
his car which cost £300 and the value of his items was, £400, and he makes
£200, he has lost in sales"
I never claimed he was willing to dip into his bank account for £300. I'm
simply pointing out that how he gets a new engine relies upon making money
to do so. The engine might be 200...100....15 cents...doesn't matter what
the price is, if he hasn't got the cash for it at this moment in time!
>
>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've never lost money as a buyer and
>>>>>>> seller over about ten years.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's easier to lose money as a buyer. Losses are instant.
>>>>>
>>>>> Like I've said, I never lost money as a buyer. I paid what I wanted
>>>>> to.
>>>>
>>>>That is fucked up. If you pay £100 for something I pay £50 for, you have
>>>>lost £50 whether you care to admit it not!
>>>
>>> Only if he thinks the item is only worth £50. If he put in a
>>> bid of £100 or more, then he see the item as being worth £100 or
>>> more.
>>
>>It is still a fucked up notion to pay more for something than everyone
>>else
>>does.
>>
>
> It's pretty stupid, IMO, but if the buyer wants to spend more,
> than the item is worth that value to that person.
But that view is like saying everything we do, can never be a error of
judgement.
I've just paid £5 for a CD from a seller on amazon. The day after, play.com
had it in their sale for £3.99. I was wrong to pay £5 for it, and no amount
of reassurance it was a good buy at the time will change my mind. And we're
talking £1.01 here.
It's not a isolated incident, but to not feel like kicking yourself for
being too eager with the mouse is dumb. I can't change the error, but
accepting it was an error is the battle won.
>
>>I cannot genuinely see someone sat in the pub with 10 friends, all
>>discussing the price they paid for the same item (whatever it is), and one
>>person bragging about paying double what everyone else did.
>>
>
> I've not seen anyone brag about paying more than someone else.
You don't have a circle of corporate friends do you?
I am fiscal in my purchases, and tend to shop around for the best price,
without skimping on quality. Those with plenty of money enjoy rubbing it in
everyone elses faces that they dont care how much they paid for something.
It makes for interesting discussion. I never said it doesn't happen, just I
can't see it happening in the pub. :-)
>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> With selling, losses are cumulative over periods of time - i.e if you
>>>>>> make a loss selling 5 items on Monday, but sell 20 items at higher
>>>>>> profit
>>>>>> on Tuesday, by Wednesay, overall, you have profited.
>>>>>
>>>>> You seem to be describing someone who depends on using eBay for their
>>>>> business.
>>>>
>>>>You started it! see your own post.
>>>
>>> It was someone named Kim who started the thread.
>>
>>I was not talking about the thread starting point, only what I chose to
>>reply to.
>
> OK. I misunderstood what you meant. It had me confused for a
> bit.
Usenet has that effect on the best of us.
>
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>QUOTE " If someone sets up a business that is dependant on
>>>>>>> auctioning their goods on eBay"
>>>>
>>>> I'm thinking more of people who sell collectibles, junk, misc.
>>>>> stuff on eBay. I don't put collectible items up for auction without
>>>>> first researching to see what similar items usually bring. If the
>>>>> prices
>>>>> are attractive, I might put my stuff up. I always make a modest
>>>>> profit,
>>>>> and sometimes a large one. Business people who rely on eBay have to
>>>>> contend with lots of variables, not the least of which are competition
>>>>> and
>>>>> lack of interest-- same as they would in a shop.
>>>>
>>>>What exactly is a antique shop if it's not a business?
>>>>
>>>
>>> It's a business that would be in competition with the auction
>>> on eBay as described in the hypothetical above.
>>
>>The statement made should have read: "Business is Business, whether it is
>>conducted on eBay or in a Shop"
>>
>>The argument launches straight into using eBay as the controlling point,
>>when at the end of the day, the mode used for the business doesn't matter
>>if
>>the variables are identical.
>>
>
> Exactly.
Of course, the variables are not identical, but that's another story. :-)
Then you're setting a expectation that you will get "at least" X. Which is
my entire point that people who are in it for the money expect money, and
those that don't, don't. I'm not saying they dont expect it to sell, but
they didn't come to eBay with a set figure in mind.
That's because sensible statements are being made for a change!
>
>>
>>>
>>> [...]
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Someone who buys a lottery jackpot ticket and doesn't
>>>>> win doesn't usually whine either.
>>>>
>>>>I can assure you, they do.
>>>
>>> I've not heard anyone whine because they didn't win the Power
>>> Ball. And I used to work in a convenience store that sold tickets
>>> (years ago).
>>
>>I'm not saying they break down in tears over a loss, but the
>>dissapointment
>>that it was "another week to lose" is whining. Any negative comment about
>>not winning the lottery is whining. What else can it be?
>>
>
> Acknowledging that the they didn't win.
That's not a negative comment.
>
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>He expected to lose in the first place.
>>>>
>>>>Just because someone expects to lose doesnt mean they are happy when
>>>>they
>>>>do.
>>>
>>> While they probably wouldn't dance a jig from losing, few
>>> people would be so unstable as to let their losing the lottery cause
>>> them to get angry about it. If they do, they most probably have
>>> issues that need to be addressed with the aide of a competent mental
>>> health professional.
>>
>>I'm not saying they get angry over it. It's much the same as when I go for
>>diesel, and it's gone up a penny. I might say "damn, not again" but I
>>wouldn't start bashing the cashier over the price rise.
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> A win would have been a bonus surprise.
>>>>
>>>>A win would be the REASON they bought the ticket. The HOPE.
>>>>
>>>
>>> They buy it in hopes that, despite the odds, they'll win.
>>> They're buying the "right" to dream about winning.
>>
>>Some could say the same thing about listing a bag of shit on eBay.
>>
>
> If you can find a buyer, more power to you.
...And if you win the lottery....exactly. It's power to you.
>
>>
>>>
>>> [...]
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> No big deal if their junk didn't bring much or anything on eBay.
>>>>> They were going to dump it anyway.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bruce
>>>>
>>>>And that is why many people rumage through the tip. :-) So, let them
>>>>carry
>>>>on failing to sell, as others manage it quite successfully.
>>>>
>>>
>>> That's the way of business. Some make it, some don't.
>>> Everyone has the right to fail at business.
>>
>>I wouldn't say they had the "right to fail", I think that is a little
>>harsh
>>and over the top.
>
> It's a line I got from my Business Law professor at college.
> He loved to talk about two businesses he started that failed.
> "Everyone has the right to fail at business, and I took advantage of
> it twice."
I took advantage of it 3 times, and the 4th wasnt successful either, but
thats not the point. The point is, having a right to fail is a bad term,
when it means everyone has the ability to learn from mistakes.
I dont think my teenagers have been told they have a right to fail at their
exams! On the contrary. They damn well do not have that right! They have a
right to try, and IF they fail, so be it. But having the right to fail? We
must live in a cynical world if all we care about is failing, and more than
once.
Obviously given he was a professor, his failures were not what got him the
job. So I think what he said, and what you were supposed to hear are two
different things.
>
>>I think everyone has the right to attempt to make a
>>business work. Nobody goes into business on the expectation of failing. If
>>they do, it is no wonder the majority fail.
>>
>
> I don't think anyone expects to fail. However, they go in
> knowing it's an up hill battle for, at least, the first year.
My first 2 businesses, both went under within a 9 month period. 3rd lasted a
little longer, I got just over a year out of that one. The last time I tried
it, I ended up selling it to a competitor. They were all sole trader
businesses. They were also all a long time ago!
l2oberto
Roberto Pirezzi
That's not much, but is that a reflection of ALL transactions?
From my ebay buying days, I've ammassed 180 feedbacks, all positive. But the
actual total of eBay transactions is probabaly nearer 300.
>
>>
>>If I claim 100% of ALL items I've won and paid for turned up, that doesn't
>>mean i'm lucky if I only won 2 items in total.
>>
>>I shop a lot in general on the net, to the tune of over 10,000 (roughly
>>60%
>>imported records, north american DVDs, books) items over the past 8 years.
>>total items missing, 6. Total loss. £8.00 (the only item so far never
>>refunded or replaced, though a 2nd item of about 2.50 is awaiting refund).
>>
>>I should also say, the total figure of parcels includes all goods
>>purchased
>>on the internet (or telephone in the odd case) by family members.
>>
>>Am I lucky? Or have I just received a expected service?
>
> I would say an expected service.
So would I. It's not like gambling. You expect to get what you paid for,
whereas, if luck has anything to do with it, you might believe you won't get
what you paid for.
I think a lot of people DO NOT think they will get items, and that's a
primary cause for the slagging off of eBay from that angle. (same for other
sites too).
>
>>
>>As for the eBay seller, more than likely he ran off with the money, and I
>>think that is still a major reason why people are afraid of using it.
>>(credit card chargebacks not relevant for the purpose of that point)
>
> When they guy took my $28.00, I sent payment via a money
> order. It made it easy to prove I sent it, he got it, and deposited
> it. I expect it would be just as easy, maybe easier, with a credit
> card, but I wasn't using them at the time and haven't used one with
> Paypal.
Credit cards are as easy for me, as a debit card. I am not a fan of credit
cards, and use them when I HAVE to. People use them because of the
protection they offer, but how fucking cynical is that, to use a credit card
on the assumption you are probabaly going to have to make a chargeback???
I have my main bank set up with PayPal, as it makes no difference what
account I use with it. I also have the main bank debit card set up there
too, and generally route payments from the card, not the bank. For the
purpose of this, bank means bank current account.
As my savings account sweeps money out of the current account, it makes no
difference whether I have the current account on, or set up a new account.
Money is still money whichever account it comes out of.
> I set up a bank account solely for Paypal use. I don't
> understand why people attach their primary banking account to Paypal.
It makes accounting easier.
Money comes and goes and is easier to see it at a glance (specifically, for
fiscal planning, month by month charts I get from the bank, money in/money
out).
PayPal are not going to start messing about until I make a purchase or
whatever I use paypal for and authorise them to make money change hands.
l2oberto
Salty
>
>>> As for the eBay seller, more than likely he ran off with the money, and I
>>> think that is still a major reason why people are afraid of using it.
>>> (credit card chargebacks not relevant for the purpose of that point)
>> When they guy took my $28.00, I sent payment via a money
>> order. It made it easy to prove I sent it, he got it, and deposited
>> it. I expect it would be just as easy, maybe easier, with a credit
>> card, but I wasn't using them at the time and haven't used one with
>> Paypal.
>
> Credit cards are as easy for me, as a debit card. I am not a fan of credit
> cards, and use them when I HAVE to. People use them because of the
> protection they offer, but how fucking cynical is that, to use a credit card
> on the assumption you are probabaly going to have to make a chargeback???
Yes. About as cynical as taking out medical/motor vehicle/life/household
insurance etc.
What is wrong with hoping for the best but being prepared for the worst?
>
> I have my main bank set up with PayPal, as it makes no difference what
> account I use with it. I also have the main bank debit card set up there
> too, and generally route payments from the card, not the bank. For the
> purpose of this, bank means bank current account.
Somehow, as charge cards have the same protection as credit cards, this
seems to let the air out of your indignant "how fucking cynical is..."
>
> As my savings account sweeps money out of the current account, it makes no
> difference whether I have the current account on, or set up a new account.
> Money is still money whichever account it comes out of.
Did you say something?
>
>
>> I set up a bank account solely for Paypal use. I don't
>> understand why people attach their primary banking account to Paypal.
>
> It makes accounting easier.
How? Do you have to press a few more keys when entering data?
>
> Money comes and goes and is easier to see it at a glance (specifically, for
> fiscal planning, month by month charts I get from the bank, money in/money
> out).
Maybe more than just a glance is in order when involved in fiscal planning.
>
> PayPal are not going to start messing about until I make a purchase or
> whatever I use paypal for and authorise them to make money change hands.
Hmmm. Seems to be the voice of inexperience talking here. Read the fine
print and Google PayPal and bank accounts.
All of that said, I have never had a problem with PayPal. Maybe I just
read the fine print and follow the rules in areas where it benefits me
to do so.
Regards
Salty
Kent Wills
Pirezzi" <roberto...@btinternet.com> wrote:
[various snips for brevity]
>>>>
>>>> He doesn't say it doesn't happen. Just that it hasn't
>>>> happened to him.
>>>
>>>But that is a pretty arrogant claim.
>>
>> I didn't see it as arrogant. Simply a statement that was true
>> for him at the time he made it.
>
>I've just never liked those kind of claims! It's always felt they are giving
>the finger to the poor sods who have experienced it.
>
To whom? You? Then to you it will always be that way. I
would expect most would see it as simply stating the occurrence hasn't
happened to the commenter, yet.
[...]
>>
>> I've never had a meteorite fall in my yard, but that doesn't
>> mean others haven't. It's quite possible to state X has not happened
>> to me, but it has to others.
>> Ad that he ended the line with, "Lucky maybe?" and it's clear
>> he's accepting that it happens to others.
>
>The difference is whether you give a damn if it has happened to other
>people, or just glad it hasn't happened to you.
>
There is nothing in his post that can be taken as sadness or
glad regarding others being ripped off.
[...]
>>>>>
>>>>>Money is lost if they sell under value (if my friend needed a new engine
>>>>>for
>>>>>his car which cost £300 and the value of his items was, £400, and he
>>>>>makes
>>>>>£200, he has lost in sales. Bids are final. end of story.)
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> An item is only worth what someone is willing to pay.
>>>
>>>That's not true. How many times has someone HAD to have something (on
>>>impulse) and later said "probabaly paid over the odds for it".
>>
>> If it was an impulse buy, it wasn't something they *needed* at
>> the time.
>
>Yeah, it was. Thats impulse. It wasn't something they needed *before* they
>saw it, and wont be something they need *after* they buy it. The whole point
>of impulse is the desire to have it there and then, and that is a need at
>that specific time.
That's not a need. It's a desire.
I desire a new Mercedes Benz, but I certainly don't need one.
If I buy one, I've stratified a desire, but not a need.
On Saturday I will likely go shopping for groceries. Once I've
finished, I will have satisfied a need, since I, and my family will
need food to stay alive.
>
>>
>>>
>>>What someone pays for something has no reflection on it's worth. (hence
>>>the
>>>trend of buying to resell).
>>
>> If person A buys something for X, it was worth X to that
>> person. If person B buys it from person A for X + 20, then to person
>> B it was worth X + 20.
>
>I get what you're saying, but its not the definitive answer. There are
>factors that determine an items worth, and price is not always one of them.
It's the final factor.
>The urgency of purchase (gift for instance) doesn't reflect worth, it
>reflects necessity.
Gifts tend to reflect what someone is willing to pay for an
item intended to be given to another.
>I think value may come into your equation somewhat more
>than worth as a single definitive. Afterall, price generally feature value
>somewhere in tow.
The price is what the seller thinks the item is worth.
Generally, the buyer agrees. You don't see too much negotiating at
the grocery store.
>
>
>>
>>>
>>>In some peoples eyes, an item is only worth what they can resell it for.
>>>
>>
>> Sad people, IMO.
>
>I disagree with the general sweep of that opinion.
>
>Many people (from single traders to multi-billion [currency] corporations
>have the view of reselling items for mega profit. Half the people in eBay
>are in it for the money, and a large proportion of the other half won't
>admit it. Most peoples homes do not get that much junk without £££ signs in
>the purchasers eyes.
If so, these are very sad people, IMO.
>
>>
>>>
>>> If your
>>>> friend is willing to pay £300 for the new engine and he gets it for
>>>> that price, he's not lost anything.
>>>
>>>Depends how he came into the £300. Example outlined in prior reply.
>>>
>>
>> How get got the money isn't at issue here. That he was
>> willing to pay £300 for an engine is.
>
>Re-read the thread. It is EXACTLY the issue, as the engine was a example.
Be it an engine or a book, the issue isn't how he came about
getting the money.
>
>I'll quote myself:
>
>"Money is lost if they sell under value (if my friend needed a new engine
>for
>his car which cost £300 and the value of his items was, £400, and he makes
>£200, he has lost in sales"
He's lost nothing, really. He has £200 more than he had the
day before.
If he had less than the day before, I would have to agree that
he lost.
>
>I never claimed he was willing to dip into his bank account for £300.
I misread what you wrote.
>I'm
>simply pointing out that how he gets a new engine relies upon making money
>to do so. The engine might be 200...100....15 cents...doesn't matter what
>the price is, if he hasn't got the cash for it at this moment in time!
Then, using eBay, he would bid the maximum he can. If someone
bids more, so be it.
[...]
>>>>
>>>> Only if he thinks the item is only worth £50. If he put in a
>>>> bid of £100 or more, then he see the item as being worth £100 or
>>>> more.
>>>
>>>It is still a fucked up notion to pay more for something than everyone
>>>else
>>>does.
>>>
>>
>> It's pretty stupid, IMO, but if the buyer wants to spend more,
>> than the item is worth that value to that person.
>
>But that view is like saying everything we do, can never be a error of
>judgement.
>
That's a rather glib interpretation.
>I've just paid £5 for a CD from a seller on amazon. The day after, play.com
>had it in their sale for £3.99. I was wrong to pay £5 for it,
No you weren't, unless you knew it would be available for less
the next day.
>and no amount
>of reassurance it was a good buy at the time will change my mind. And we're
>talking £1.01 here.
>
>It's not a isolated incident, but to not feel like kicking yourself for
>being too eager with the mouse is dumb. I can't change the error, but
>accepting it was an error is the battle won.
To you the CD was worth £5. There is nothing to be upset
about.
>
>
>>
>>>I cannot genuinely see someone sat in the pub with 10 friends, all
>>>discussing the price they paid for the same item (whatever it is), and one
>>>person bragging about paying double what everyone else did.
>>>
>>
>> I've not seen anyone brag about paying more than someone else.
>
>You don't have a circle of corporate friends do you?
A few friends could be viewed as corporate.
>
>I am fiscal in my purchases, and tend to shop around for the best price,
>without skimping on quality.
There's nothing wrong with that.
>Those with plenty of money enjoy rubbing it in
>everyone elses faces that they dont care how much they paid for something.
If they're insecure, yes.
>It makes for interesting discussion. I never said it doesn't happen, just I
>can't see it happening in the pub. :-)
>
OK.
[...]
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It's a business that would be in competition with the auction
>>>> on eBay as described in the hypothetical above.
>>>
>>>The statement made should have read: "Business is Business, whether it is
>>>conducted on eBay or in a Shop"
>>>
>>>The argument launches straight into using eBay as the controlling point,
>>>when at the end of the day, the mode used for the business doesn't matter
>>>if
>>>the variables are identical.
>>>
>>
>> Exactly.
>
>Of course, the variables are not identical, but that's another story. :-)
>
Definitely not *identical,* but close enough for a Usenet
discussion.
[...]
>>>>
>>>> One might be likely to make x, but that doesn't mean they
>>>> will. If the auction closes at a price the seller likes, then it's a
>>>> win for the seller. And if the seller wants to ensure a minimum
>>>> amount, s/he will set a reserve.
>>>
>>>If I had a box of trinkets and I just wanted to get rid of them, a reserve
>>>would be useless. If I wanted to make sure I was getting SOMETHING worthy
>>>for them, then research would lead me to establish the kind of sum of
>>>money
>>>I'd expect to make, and no sane person woud believe someone isn't in it
>>>for
>>>the money if they are trying to sell items they know has some kind of
>>>value,
>>>and they expect to hit that mark.
>>
>> Which is why some people set reserves. They want to get at
>> least X amount.
>
>Then you're setting a expectation that you will get "at least" X.
You're HOPING to get at least X. Setting a reserve is no
guaranty anyone will agree that the item is worth X.
>Which is
>my entire point that people who are in it for the money expect money, and
>those that don't, don't. I'm not saying they dont expect it to sell, but
>they didn't come to eBay with a set figure in mind.
If everyone goes with a set figure in mind, everyone would set
a reserve for their auctions.
[...]
>>>>
>>>> If the other option is to throw the item away, getting no
>>>> money for it, then it's fair market value wouldn't matter.
>>>
>>>If you're not in it for the money, "fair market value" is a term that
>>>doesn't enter the head!
>>>
>>
>> We're agreeing more than not here.
>
>That's because sensible statements are being made for a change!
On Usenet? GASP! :)
[...]
>>>>
>>>> I've not heard anyone whine because they didn't win the Power
>>>> Ball. And I used to work in a convenience store that sold tickets
>>>> (years ago).
>>>
>>>I'm not saying they break down in tears over a loss, but the
>>>dissapointment
>>>that it was "another week to lose" is whining. Any negative comment about
>>>not winning the lottery is whining. What else can it be?
>>>
>>
>> Acknowledging that the they didn't win.
>
>That's not a negative comment.
It doesn't need to be.
[...]
>>>>
>>>> They buy it in hopes that, despite the odds, they'll win.
>>>> They're buying the "right" to dream about winning.
>>>
>>>Some could say the same thing about listing a bag of shit on eBay.
>>>
>>
>> If you can find a buyer, more power to you.
>
>...And if you win the lottery....exactly. It's power to you.
>
I think my chances of winning would increase a great deal if
I'd buy a ticket. My not buying one hasn't seemed to work well :)
[...]
>>>>>And that is why many people rumage through the tip. :-) So, let them
>>>>>carry
>>>>>on failing to sell, as others manage it quite successfully.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That's the way of business. Some make it, some don't.
>>>> Everyone has the right to fail at business.
>>>
>>>I wouldn't say they had the "right to fail", I think that is a little
>>>harsh
>>>and over the top.
>>
>> It's a line I got from my Business Law professor at college.
>> He loved to talk about two businesses he started that failed.
>> "Everyone has the right to fail at business, and I took advantage of
>> it twice."
>
>I took advantage of it 3 times, and the 4th wasnt successful either, but
>thats not the point. The point is, having a right to fail is a bad term,
>when it means everyone has the ability to learn from mistakes.
>
>I dont think my teenagers have been told they have a right to fail at their
>exams! On the contrary. They damn well do not have that right! They have a
>right to try, and IF they fail, so be it. But having the right to fail? We
>must live in a cynical world if all we care about is failing, and more than
>once.
>
>Obviously given he was a professor, his failures were not what got him the
>job. So I think what he said, and what you were supposed to hear are two
>different things.
The point he was making is that no one has the right to
succeed at a business they start. That wasn't the point *I* was
making when I quoted him. I simply used his comment to make my point.
[...]
>>>
>>
>> I don't think anyone expects to fail. However, they go in
>> knowing it's an up hill battle for, at least, the first year.
>
>My first 2 businesses, both went under within a 9 month period. 3rd lasted a
>little longer, I got just over a year out of that one. The last time I tried
>it, I ended up selling it to a competitor. They were all sole trader
>businesses. They were also all a long time ago!
>
Real estate is a fairly safe business (in the U.S. anyway).
It's rare that someone's rental business fails. It does happen, but
that's usually the result of the proprietor thinking s/he can just sit
around and collect rent checks. If only it were that easy :)
--
Kent
No todos los que ven tus obras ven tus virtudes.
Kent Wills
Pirezzi" <roberto...@btinternet.com> wrote:
[snips for brevity]
>>>>
>>>> I've only had one item never show up. I was out $28.00.
>>>> The seller is no longer a registered eBayer since I was not
>>>> the only one he (I'm presuming male) did this to.
>>>
>>>It is kinda impossible to define luck without some statistics.
>>
>> A quick check of my feedback shows 42 feedbacks with a score
>> of 32. More than I originally guessed.
>
>That's not much, but is that a reflection of ALL transactions?
Almost all wins, yes. There may be one or two that didn't
leave feedback.
I don't *know* how many auctions I've bid on, if you're
wondering about that. My guess is around 50. I've definitely bid on
more auctions than I've won.
I'll determine what an item is worth to me, and set my max bid
accordingly. If the auction goes above what I am willing to pay, so
be it.
I've never sold anything on eBay, so that can't factor in.
>
>From my ebay buying days, I've ammassed 180 feedbacks, all positive. But the
>actual total of eBay transactions is probabaly nearer 300.
>
You were far more active than I am.
[...]
>>>
>>>I should also say, the total figure of parcels includes all goods
>>>purchased
>>>on the internet (or telephone in the odd case) by family members.
>>>
>>>Am I lucky? Or have I just received a expected service?
>>
>> I would say an expected service.
>
>So would I. It's not like gambling. You expect to get what you paid for,
>whereas, if luck has anything to do with it, you might believe you won't get
>what you paid for.
>
>I think a lot of people DO NOT think they will get items, and that's a
>primary cause for the slagging off of eBay from that angle. (same for other
>sites too).
>
Why would someone bid if they thought they wouldn't get the
item?
>
>>
>>>
>>>As for the eBay seller, more than likely he ran off with the money, and I
>>>think that is still a major reason why people are afraid of using it.
>>>(credit card chargebacks not relevant for the purpose of that point)
>>
>> When they guy took my $28.00, I sent payment via a money
>> order. It made it easy to prove I sent it, he got it, and deposited
>> it. I expect it would be just as easy, maybe easier, with a credit
>> card, but I wasn't using them at the time and haven't used one with
>> Paypal.
>
>Credit cards are as easy for me, as a debit card. I am not a fan of credit
>cards, and use them when I HAVE to. People use them because of the
>protection they offer, but how fucking cynical is that, to use a credit card
>on the assumption you are probabaly going to have to make a chargeback???
>
I don't think they use a credit card presuming they will have
to file a chargeback, but they use one in case they have to.
>I have my main bank set up with PayPal, as it makes no difference what
>account I use with it. I also have the main bank debit card set up there
>too, and generally route payments from the card, not the bank. For the
>purpose of this, bank means bank current account.
>
>As my savings account sweeps money out of the current account, it makes no
>difference whether I have the current account on, or set up a new account.
>Money is still money whichever account it comes out of.
>
I use a special account just in case.
If something goes wrong, and Paypal takes out everything from
the account, I'll only be out a few hundred dollars while the matter
gets cleared up.
>
>> I set up a bank account solely for Paypal use. I don't
>> understand why people attach their primary banking account to Paypal.
>
>It makes accounting easier.
I've had no trouble so far. Of course, I don't do my own
accounting. If God intended for me to do it, he wouldn't have
invented CPAs :-)
>
>Money comes and goes and is easier to see it at a glance (specifically, for
>fiscal planning, month by month charts I get from the bank, money in/money
>out).
Personally, I've never had a problem paying seeing
transactions from any of the accounts.
Well, one time I got confused for a few seconds. I thought I
had the paperwork for Lin's and my joint account, when I had the
rental account paperwork. I was confused about when we deposited so
much money and why the bank took out so much for the mortgage.
A second or two later and it clicked.
>
>PayPal are not going to start messing about until I make a purchase or
>whatever I use paypal for and authorise them to make money change hands.
>
I've read some horror stories about Paypal. I have no way to
know if they are true or not, but I figure there's no gain in taking a
risk I don't need to take.
--
Kent
Bless me, Father, for I have committed an original sin.
I poked a badger with a spoon.
Roberto Pirezzi
> As I understand it, on Wed, 11 Apr 2007 09:07:42 +0100, "Roberto
> Pirezzi" <roberto...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
> [snips for brevity]
>
>>>>>
>>>>> I've only had one item never show up. I was out $28.00.
>>>>> The seller is no longer a registered eBayer since I was not
>>>>> the only one he (I'm presuming male) did this to.
>>>>
>>>>It is kinda impossible to define luck without some statistics.
>>>
>>> A quick check of my feedback shows 42 feedbacks with a score
>>> of 32. More than I originally guessed.
>>
>>That's not much, but is that a reflection of ALL transactions?
>
> Almost all wins, yes. There may be one or two that didn't
> leave feedback.
I didnt intend to imply 42 was "poor". I was talking figuratively speaking,
that 42 wasnt a high number to really asscertain a true statistic. The
higher it goes, the better.
> I don't *know* how many auctions I've bid on, if you're
> wondering about that. My guess is around 50. I've definitely bid on
> more auctions than I've won.
> I'll determine what an item is worth to me, and set my max bid
> accordingly. If the auction goes above what I am willing to pay, so
> be it.
> I've never sold anything on eBay, so that can't factor in.
All mine were purchases. Not all purchases were for me, I did a spell where
I bid on behalf of my aunt who had no computer, but as I paid, and received,
I factored those in too (they are on my record afterall).
The way I bid, was 99% snipe at the last minute, which in those days, saved
me a lot of money, as I'd get bids in rock bottom - I hate bidding early as
that created immediate obvious interest, and also bidding early can prompt a
shill bidder.
I get what you're saying about bidding the max, and I agree, bidding as much
as you are willing to pay is a good way to do it. I just like bidding late
to bid way below my max and win :-). Everyone is different. I'd hate it if
people did that to me all the time and I was a seller. That's kinda my
entire point made earlier about the "arrogance" of it not happening. I'm
just not the kind of person who would say something without accepting the
opposing fact.
>
>>
>>From my ebay buying days, I've ammassed 180 feedbacks, all positive. But
>>the
>>actual total of eBay transactions is probabaly nearer 300.
>>
>
> You were far more active than I am.
Yes, as I said, not all were my purchases, and my question whether it was
for the total of all transactions was on the assumption not everyone leaves
feedback.
>
> [...]
>
>>>>
>>>>I should also say, the total figure of parcels includes all goods
>>>>purchased
>>>>on the internet (or telephone in the odd case) by family members.
>>>>
>>>>Am I lucky? Or have I just received a expected service?
>>>
>>> I would say an expected service.
>>
>>So would I. It's not like gambling. You expect to get what you paid for,
>>whereas, if luck has anything to do with it, you might believe you won't
>>get
>>what you paid for.
>>
>>I think a lot of people DO NOT think they will get items, and that's a
>>primary cause for the slagging off of eBay from that angle. (same for
>>other
>>sites too).
>>
>
> Why would someone bid if they thought they wouldn't get the
> item?
Because we live in a cynical world, I can't understand why someone would pay
using a credit card on the expectation they will need to make a chargeback,
as Salty said, "expect the worst" lol.
>
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>As for the eBay seller, more than likely he ran off with the money, and
>>>>I
>>>>think that is still a major reason why people are afraid of using it.
>>>>(credit card chargebacks not relevant for the purpose of that point)
>>>
>>> When they guy took my $28.00, I sent payment via a money
>>> order. It made it easy to prove I sent it, he got it, and deposited
>>> it. I expect it would be just as easy, maybe easier, with a credit
>>> card, but I wasn't using them at the time and haven't used one with
>>> Paypal.
>>
>>Credit cards are as easy for me, as a debit card. I am not a fan of credit
>>cards, and use them when I HAVE to. People use them because of the
>>protection they offer, but how fucking cynical is that, to use a credit
>>card
>>on the assumption you are probabaly going to have to make a chargeback???
>>
>
> I don't think they use a credit card presuming they will have
> to file a chargeback, but they use one in case they have to.
There are really 3 reasons why someone would use a credit card:
A) Not enough money in their actual accounts - monthly salaries, and close
to payday being the general norm for lack of surplus cash.
B) The incentives a CC offers (airmiles, etc)
C) Chargeback Protection
>
>>I have my main bank set up with PayPal, as it makes no difference what
>>account I use with it. I also have the main bank debit card set up there
>>too, and generally route payments from the card, not the bank. For the
>>purpose of this, bank means bank current account.
>>
>>As my savings account sweeps money out of the current account, it makes no
>>difference whether I have the current account on, or set up a new account.
>>Money is still money whichever account it comes out of.
>>
>
> I use a special account just in case.
> If something goes wrong, and Paypal takes out everything from
> the account, I'll only be out a few hundred dollars while the matter
> gets cleared up.
In the UK, it is prohibited for someone to dip into account without
authorisation. If the UK Government cannot do that, PayPal most certainly
cannot.
If they are owed money by me, then they do what every other does, and tries
to threaten me with court action! Courts and debt collectors exist for a
reason.
>
>>
>>> I set up a bank account solely for Paypal use. I don't
>>> understand why people attach their primary banking account to Paypal.
>>
>>It makes accounting easier.
>
> I've had no trouble so far. Of course, I don't do my own
> accounting. If God intended for me to do it, he wouldn't have
> invented CPAs :-)
I've always done my own figures...It's just easier, and I come from a
background of finance people (my Dad was a auditor). So, in my blood I
guess!
Most people might pull out some coins from their pocket, count them and say
they have 54p. I can do the same and tell you how I got the 54p and how much
exactly I have in my accounts. It's sometimes a curse, especially when my
daughter wants some pocket money. I'm pretty strict about it. Spend it
wisely, and dont ask your mother for anymore! (Wife has a habit of being
sweet talked into parting with a tenner).
>
>>
>>Money comes and goes and is easier to see it at a glance (specifically,
>>for
>>fiscal planning, month by month charts I get from the bank, money in/money
>>out).
>
> Personally, I've never had a problem paying seeing
> transactions from any of the accounts.
I do have a few accounts, but I have specific transactions on some of them,
to keep them totally seperate. Like, I have a personal account that I use
for magazine subscriptions for the family. It may sound pointless, but we
all contribute money to it (part time jobs, any extra I make doing other
work etc). Easier to see THAT account at a glance, rather than see it in the
main account.
> Well, one time I got confused for a few seconds. I thought I
> had the paperwork for Lin's and my joint account, when I had the
> rental account paperwork. I was confused about when we deposited so
> much money and why the bank took out so much for the mortgage.
> A second or two later and it clicked.
Can be quite scary to be confused over money. Especially for people like me
who try and keep a really close tab on everything, so I can definetley see
where you are coming from.
>
>>
>>PayPal are not going to start messing about until I make a purchase or
>>whatever I use paypal for and authorise them to make money change hands.
>>
>
> I've read some horror stories about Paypal. I have no way to
> know if they are true or not, but I figure there's no gain in taking a
> risk I don't need to take.
Well, things CAN happen, but they don't usually do.
If you read the press about Ryanair for example, you may think they should
be avoided. Take it from me, they are the best airline I've used, and cheap
too! They also had much higher reliability times than British Airways.
I think horror stories are often the cause of the unexpected actually
happening. To the extent it makes peoples blood boil.
IF PayPal went into my bank account without my authorisation, my bank would
cover it, as it is considered fraud.
Most people dont speak to the right people when things go wrong. The other
thing I have to say on this is, when people do find something go wrong, on a
normally reliable channel, it generally goes THAT wrong, it's hard to see
how it was so reliable to begin with.
Someone losing one parcel on eBay, doesnt mean the whole system is flawed,
but amazingly, it does create that kinda mindset with people.
Strange, but true. According to feedbacks i've read :-)
l2oberto
Roberto Pirezzi
"Salty" <p...@nty.net> wrote in message
news:583kt7F...@mid.individual.net...
> Roberto Pirezzi wrote:
>
>>
>>>> As for the eBay seller, more than likely he ran off with the money, and
>>>> I
>>>> think that is still a major reason why people are afraid of using it.
>>>> (credit card chargebacks not relevant for the purpose of that point)
>>> When they guy took my $28.00, I sent payment via a money
>>> order. It made it easy to prove I sent it, he got it, and deposited
>>> it. I expect it would be just as easy, maybe easier, with a credit
>>> card, but I wasn't using them at the time and haven't used one with
>>> Paypal.
>>
>> Credit cards are as easy for me, as a debit card. I am not a fan of
>> credit cards, and use them when I HAVE to. People use them because of the
>> protection they offer, but how fucking cynical is that, to use a credit
>> card on the assumption you are probabaly going to have to make a
>> chargeback???
>
>
> Yes. About as cynical as taking out medical/motor vehicle/life/household
> insurance etc.
motor insurance is mandatory. You are forced to have it!
The rest is just good advice to have. Nobody actually expects to use them
(and Christ help you if you do). I wouldn't take a life insurance policy
expecting to drop dead soon after.
>
> What is wrong with hoping for the best but being prepared for the worst?
I think you can do too much preparing to be honest. If you use reasonable
common sense, and buy products without randomly clicking, you'll have a
virtually sound internet shopping experience. The ones that fail to show up,
are often resolved. In the rare case they are not, well, it is hardly the
end of the world, and hardly worth considering as the worst possible
scenario.
Just so we're clear on this. A credit card does not ACTUALLY offer you
protection. What it does is safeguards the banks money. It is THEIRS
afterall. And the service comes at a price. For instance, you can get away
with 0% interest by continually switching credit card providers, but if you
pay the balance off in full, you ultimatley lose the incentive of
transferring to another card (freebies).
>
>>
>> I have my main bank set up with PayPal, as it makes no difference what
>> account I use with it. I also have the main bank debit card set up there
>> too, and generally route payments from the card, not the bank. For the
>> purpose of this, bank means bank current account.
>
> Somehow, as charge cards have the same protection as credit cards, this
> seems to let the air out of your indignant "how fucking cynical is..."
I have never referred to a Charge Card. They are, bascially credit cards
afterall, with the same kind of use. i.e the money is not yours...the only
difference being a much higher interest rate if you do not clear the balance
(and clearing the balance is the ultimate concept behind a charge card).
Debit Card is a entirely different concept.
>
>>
>> As my savings account sweeps money out of the current account, it makes
>> no difference whether I have the current account on, or set up a new
>> account. Money is still money whichever account it comes out of.
>
> Did you say something?
Clearly you do not understand the concept of money! That is, money that is
yours, and not the banks.
>
>>
>>
>>> I set up a bank account solely for Paypal use. I don't
>>> understand why people attach their primary banking account to Paypal.
>>
>> It makes accounting easier.
>
> How? Do you have to press a few more keys when entering data?
So you don't do figures either. That, figures. Pun intended.
>
>>
>> Money comes and goes and is easier to see it at a glance (specifically,
>> for fiscal planning, month by month charts I get from the bank, money
>> in/money out).
>
> Maybe more than just a glance is in order when involved in fiscal
> planning.
Not really. In fact, no. If you know your own financial situation, then you
dont even need a glance.
>
>
>>
>> PayPal are not going to start messing about until I make a purchase or
>> whatever I use paypal for and authorise them to make money change hands.
>
> Hmmm. Seems to be the voice of inexperience talking here. Read the fine
> print and Google PayPal and bank accounts.
The voice of inexperience of them dipping into my account? Maybe that's
because they CANNOT.
I'm not sure what your point proves here.
I have no idea what they do with US bank accounts, but the UK has different
rules, apparantly. I'm in the UK, with a English voice of "inexperience" of
US Bank accounts.
>
> All of that said, I have never had a problem with PayPal. Maybe I just
> read the fine print and follow the rules in areas where it benefits me to
> do so.
Given you have argued the toss with me, then you must have had a problem.
How can someone who has had no problems argue with someone who has had no
problems? Do you even know what you're talking about?
I take that as a no. :-)
l2oberto
>
> Regards
>
> Salty
clams casino
> Do you know I have no idea what I'm talking about?
>
>
>
>
It's obvious.
Roberto Pirezzi
"clams casino" <clams-...@drunkin-Clam.com> wrote in message
news:OXrTh.30093$YJ4....@newsfe23.lga...
> Roberto Pirezzi wrote:
>
>> Do you know I have no idea what I'm talking about?
>>
>>
>>
>
> It's obvious.
Makes perfect sense to me, but then, I don't use eBay. :-)
l2oberto
Salty
> "Salty" <p...@nty.net> wrote in message
> news:583kt7F...@mid.individual.net...
>> Roberto Pirezzi wrote:
>>
>>>>> As for the eBay seller, more than likely he ran off with the money, and
>>>>> I
>>>>> think that is still a major reason why people are afraid of using it.
>>>>> (credit card chargebacks not relevant for the purpose of that point)
>>>> When they guy took my $28.00, I sent payment via a money
>>>> order. It made it easy to prove I sent it, he got it, and deposited
>>>> it. I expect it would be just as easy, maybe easier, with a credit
>>>> card, but I wasn't using them at the time and haven't used one with
>>>> Paypal.
>>> Credit cards are as easy for me, as a debit card. I am not a fan of
>>> credit cards, and use them when I HAVE to. People use them because of the
>>> protection they offer, but how fucking cynical is that, to use a credit
>>> card on the assumption you are probabaly going to have to make a
>>> chargeback???
>>
>> Yes. About as cynical as taking out medical/motor vehicle/life/household
>> insurance etc.
>
> motor insurance is mandatory. You are forced to have it!
Not so. Laws vary from country to country. In some it is only mandatory
to have cover for third party injury, in others for third party
property. I wouldn't drive around the block without full comprehensive
insurance.
>
> The rest is just good advice to have. Nobody actually expects to use them
> (and Christ help you if you do). I wouldn't take a life insurance policy
> expecting to drop dead soon after.
>
>> What is wrong with hoping for the best but being prepared for the worst?
>
> I think you can do too much preparing to be honest.
Are you normally so dishonest that you to feel a need to point it out on
those occasions when you are being honest?
I often wonder why people say that - it doesn't reflect well on them
(when considered carefully).
If you use reasonable
> common sense, and buy products without randomly clicking, you'll have a
> virtually sound internet shopping experience.
No amount of common sense can cover all eventualities. A little
preparation can help in those occasions when common sense doesn't do the
trick.
> The ones that fail to show up,
> are often resolved. In the rare case they are not, well, it is hardly the
> end of the world, and hardly worth considering as the worst possible
> scenario.
>
> Just so we're clear on this. A credit card does not ACTUALLY offer you
> protection.
It does in my case, I wouldn't have anything to do with them if they
didn't. The onus is on my bank to only provide funds that I approve.
Many people assume that if their credit card is compromised, that the
loss is theirs. It isn't, it is the bank's. Someone has tricked the bank
into parting with funds by pretending to be someone the bank trusts. The
bank might not make the offer to reimburse, and be quite happy to say
and do nothing if you accept that situation, but all banks that I am
aware of, reimburse unless they can prove negligence or fraud on the
part of the card holder. I am obligated to take reasonable care not to
allow my card to be misused, and to immediately report the matter if it
is lost or stolen, but the bank is obligated to ensure that any
transaction on my account is authorised by me, or accept that the loss
is theirs. They use methods that are convenient for them, but increase
risk at the same time as increasing income.
My bank, in the past thirty years or so, has several times had to
reimburse funds that were drawn against my account without my
authorisation. Credit card fraud has been around for a long time, it
didn't start with Internet shopping. In the old days it was as simple as
going through a restaurant's rubbish bins and looking for the carbons
from manual credit card transaction.
> What it does is safeguards the banks money.
How does a credit card safeguard the bank's money? It exposes them to
more risk.
> It is THEIRS
> afterall. And the service comes at a price. For instance, you can get away
> with 0% interest by continually switching credit card providers, but if you
> pay the balance off in full, you ultimatley lose the incentive of
> transferring to another card (freebies).
Amazing! CC provider roulette!
Not all people regard credit cards as a source of short term loans. I
pay whatever is outstanding in full on the same day each month. My
credit card is a convenience, not an overdraft.
>
>>> I have my main bank set up with PayPal, as it makes no difference what
>>> account I use with it. I also have the main bank debit card set up there
>>> too, and generally route payments from the card, not the bank. For the
>>> purpose of this, bank means bank current account.
>> Somehow, as charge cards have the same protection as credit cards, this
>> seems to let the air out of your indignant "how fucking cynical is..."
>
> I have never referred to a Charge Card.
Horses for course. What you refer to as a Debit Card, we refer to as a
charge card. Funds drawn straight from you bank account. One of my banks
calls them PayCards, the other Charge Cards.
They are, bascially credit cards
> afterall, with the same kind of use. i.e the money is not yours...the only
> difference being a much higher interest rate if you do not clear the balance
> (and clearing the balance is the ultimate concept behind a charge card).
I think that you may be referring to Store Cards, cards issued by a
store rather than a bank. They are often referred to as store charge
cards. I have never used one, but my daughters all seem to have wallets
full of them.
>
> Debit Card is a entirely different concept.
>
>>> As my savings account sweeps money out of the current account, it makes
>>> no difference whether I have the current account on, or set up a new
>>> account. Money is still money whichever account it comes out of.
>> Did you say something?
>
> Clearly you do not understand the concept of money! That is, money that is
> yours, and not the banks.
I think that perhaps I might have an inkling or two. I have managed to
acquire a reasonable amount of it over the past decade or two.
>
>>>
>>>> I set up a bank account solely for Paypal use. I don't
>>>> understand why people attach their primary banking account to Paypal.
>>> It makes accounting easier.
>> How? Do you have to press a few more keys when entering data?
>
> So you don't do figures either. That, figures. Pun intended.
I do have an understanding of business accounting, which why I was
wondering why you regarded limiting bank accounts as "making accounting
easier". You want all of your expenses, gross and net income, taxes,
wages etc., to happily cohabit in one account? Cheque or savings? There
is a big difference. Taxes collected for monthly or quarterly payment
won't earn much in a cheque account, and most business savings accounts
don't offer cheque facilities. You can use one account of course, but
it makes for more work with your bookkeeping, particularly when
something doesn't balance. Simpler to keep the accounts separate.
I have a number of extra bank accounts for no other purpose than to make
accounting easier and make the most of the various features of different
account types. I would have to think very carefully just to work out how
many accounts I have. My account juggles them, I just nod in passing.
Most businesses, within my ken, operate a "set" of bank accounts, all
with appropriate ledgers, in order to have a clear and unmistakable
audit trail. You seem the lean in the opposite direction. Perhaps it is
you who doesn't "do figures" at least not in a businesslike manner.
Maybe you should contact the developers of the world's major accounting
software packages and tell them that they are doing it all wrong, that
businesses only need one bank account. I am sure that they'll appreciate
the savings that will flow from such a massive simplification of their
software.
>
>
>
>>> Money comes and goes and is easier to see it at a glance (specifically,
>>> for fiscal planning, month by month charts I get from the bank, money
>>> in/money out).
>> Maybe more than just a glance is in order when involved in fiscal
>> planning.
>
> Not really. In fact, no. If you know your own financial situation, then you
> dont even need a glance.
Perhaps you have a very simple financial position.
With a business involved in purchasing and reselling both new and
second-hand goods, some modern, some antique, with import and export,
several different premises and a reasonable number of staff, the
superannuation for those staff, very complex and conflicting tax rules
applying to different transactions, import duties, excise taxes,
insurance, utilities, medical plans, staff vacations, etc., etc. it is
not possible to know your financial situation without "even needing" a
glance. I need an accountant and a junior bookkeeper as well as a some
good hardware and software. With all that in place, end of month
reports, tax reporting, cash flow projections etc., still take a lot
more than just "a glance".
>>
>>> PayPal are not going to start messing about until I make a purchase or
>>> whatever I use paypal for and authorise them to make money change hands.
>> Hmmm. Seems to be the voice of inexperience talking here. Read the fine
>> print and Google PayPal and bank accounts.
There have been many reports of people having their accounts frozen for
sometimes weeks at a time by PayPal. They usually get access to their
money once the dispute is resolved. Read the fine print on the agreement
that PayPal requires before granting you the "privilege" of using their
services. My accountant's jaw nearly hit the floor when she read the
first one. You are authorising them to operate your account, they are
not doing anything illegal. It is not too dissimilar to giving a wife or
child access to your accounts, making them a signatory.
>
> The voice of inexperience of them dipping into my account? Maybe that's
> because they CANNOT.
Of course, I forgot. You are unique, nothing can touch you.
The agreements that others' worry about with PayPal, the thousands of
complaints that have been posted over the years, are all wrong. Everyone
made it up. PayPal has *never* frozen or taken funds from anyone's account.
I just Googled "PayPal bank account frozen/locked" and got 352,000 hits.
Other combinations give more. Amazing to think that every one of those
people is imagining things. If only they knew what you know, that PayPal
"CANNOT" touch their account, they could have posted about something
else - saved all that bandwidth.
>
> I'm not sure what your point proves here.
Yes, I am sure that you are not sure.
>
> I have no idea what they do with US bank accounts, but the UK has different
> rules, apparantly. I'm in the UK, with a English voice of "inexperience" of
> US Bank accounts.
I work in both the UK and the US. I have bank accounts and interests in
businesses on both continents.
>
>> All of that said, I have never had a problem with PayPal. Maybe I just
>> read the fine print and follow the rules in areas where it benefits me to
>> do so.
>
> Given you have argued the toss with me, then you must have had a problem.
Why?
I can hold an opinion on abortion without ever being a pregnant woman, I
can argue about dieting without ever having been fat, I can argue about
liquor laws without ever having been an alcoholic.
Your reasoning isn't reasonable.
> How can someone who has had no problems argue with someone who has had no
> problems?
Would you like to try that one again?
Do you even know what you're talking about?
Nothing of consequence. I am talking about you, your business opinions
and some of the weaknesses they contain.
>
> I take that as a no. :-)
You can take it as a Rhubarb Sandwich if it pleases you to do so, it
will not change what it really is.
Regards
Salty
Roberto Pirezzi
> Roberto Pirezzi wrote:
>> "Salty" <p...@nty.net> wrote in message
>> news:583kt7F...@mid.individual.net...
>>> Roberto Pirezzi wrote:
>
> I work in both the UK and the US. I have bank accounts and interests in
> businesses on both continents.
And you don't have paypal dipping into your account either.
>
>>
>>> All of that said, I have never had a problem with PayPal. Maybe I just
>>> read the fine print and follow the rules in areas where it benefits me
>>> to do so.
>>
>> Given you have argued the toss with me, then you must have had a problem.
>
> Why?
>
> I can hold an opinion on abortion without ever being a pregnant woman, I
> can argue about dieting without ever having been fat, I can argue about
> liquor laws without ever having been an alcoholic.
Not really seen an opinion from you yet. Your best
>
> Your reasoning isn't reasonable.
>
>> How can someone who has had no problems argue with someone who has had no
>> problems?
>
> Would you like to try that one again?
Exactly what is it you are arguing with me about???
You claim to have interests in the UK financial scene, yet inform me prior
to that "In the US, a debit card is a charge card" - a point I snipped, as
if you have interests in the UK, that aspect of your post was pointless!
Given my earlier post(s), to which you replied informed you I live in the
UK, it is rather irrelevant to inform me of US methods, if you have UK
knowledge.
I snipped the business garbage out, as again, irrelevant. I've never made a
single point about being in business, in fact, on the contrary, I have made
it clear in other posts (to Kent I think) I am not.
Given neither of us has had any issues with PayPal, yet it is the one thing
you have failed to agree on in favour of arguing over the most insane
points, makes me question, why you are unable to simply, agree.
>
>
> Do you even know what you're talking about?
>
> Nothing of consequence. I am talking about you, your business opinions and
> some of the weaknesses they contain.
My business opinions have never even been mentioned. This is a eBay thread,
I am no longer in business. Irrelevant to any discussion, as past business
knowledge doesnt coincide with the current system, and i'm not about to
argue a point that I paid 0% in corporation tax (for example) when that is
no longer possible to do under the same circumstances!
How you get from my saying I use my main account linked to paypal, to
yapping on about excise duties and accountancy software, is beyond me.
I buy cheap items on the net. End of story really. I can't see how you are
getting all your points from such simplistic statements!
>
>>
>> I take that as a no. :-)
>
> You can take it as a Rhubarb Sandwich if it pleases you to do so, it will
> not change what it really is.
>
>
> Regards
>
> Salty
The fact is, you have absolutley no idea what this discussion is all about.
And quite frankly, you lost me in your jibber-jabber about unrelated things.
l2oberto
Kent Wills
Pirezzi" <roberto...@btinternet.com> wrote:
[snips for brevity]
>>>
>>>That's not much, but is that a reflection of ALL transactions?
>>
>> Almost all wins, yes. There may be one or two that didn't
>> leave feedback.
>
>I didnt intend to imply 42 was "poor". I was talking figuratively speaking,
>that 42 wasnt a high number to really asscertain a true statistic. The
>higher it goes, the better.
True. But I can only go with the numbers I have. I don't use
eBay much.
>
>> I don't *know* how many auctions I've bid on, if you're
>> wondering about that. My guess is around 50. I've definitely bid on
>> more auctions than I've won.
>> I'll determine what an item is worth to me, and set my max bid
>> accordingly. If the auction goes above what I am willing to pay, so
>> be it.
>> I've never sold anything on eBay, so that can't factor in.
>
>All mine were purchases. Not all purchases were for me, I did a spell where
>I bid on behalf of my aunt who had no computer, but as I paid, and received,
>I factored those in too (they are on my record afterall).
Makes perfect sense.
>
>The way I bid, was 99% snipe at the last minute, which in those days, saved
>me a lot of money, as I'd get bids in rock bottom - I hate bidding early as
>that created immediate obvious interest, and also bidding early can prompt a
>shill bidder.
>
>I get what you're saying about bidding the max, and I agree, bidding as much
>as you are willing to pay is a good way to do it. I just like bidding late
>to bid way below my max and win :-). Everyone is different. I'd hate it if
>people did that to me all the time and I was a seller. That's kinda my
>entire point made earlier about the "arrogance" of it not happening. I'm
>just not the kind of person who would say something without accepting the
>opposing fact.
Again, I don't think the post was meant to be arrogant in any
way. Of course, only the person who made the post can say for
certain, and he hasn't been posting to this thread since we started
posting between ourselves.
[...]
>>>
>>>I think a lot of people DO NOT think they will get items, and that's a
>>>primary cause for the slagging off of eBay from that angle. (same for
>>>other
>>>sites too).
>>>
>>
>> Why would someone bid if they thought they wouldn't get the
>> item?
>
>Because we live in a cynical world, I can't understand why someone would pay
>using a credit card on the expectation they will need to make a chargeback,
>as Salty said, "expect the worst" lol.
>
I hope they aren't using it *expecting* to have to make a
charge back. Maybe they use it "just in case."
[...]
>>
>>
>> I don't think they use a credit card presuming they will have
>> to file a chargeback, but they use one in case they have to.
>
>There are really 3 reasons why someone would use a credit card:
>
>A) Not enough money in their actual accounts - monthly salaries, and close
>to payday being the general norm for lack of surplus cash.
>
>B) The incentives a CC offers (airmiles, etc)
That's the main reason I use my American Express Delta. Every
year it pays for me and the wife to fly to Aruba on Delta Air. We
have to pay for the kids, but it's easier when our tickets are free.
>
>C) Chargeback Protection
>
The protection is a nice perk. Especially if it ever becomes
needed.
[...]
>>>
>>>As my savings account sweeps money out of the current account, it makes no
>>>difference whether I have the current account on, or set up a new account.
>>>Money is still money whichever account it comes out of.
>>>
>>
>> I use a special account just in case.
>> If something goes wrong, and Paypal takes out everything from
>> the account, I'll only be out a few hundred dollars while the matter
>> gets cleared up.
>
>In the UK, it is prohibited for someone to dip into account without
>authorisation. If the UK Government cannot do that, PayPal most certainly
>cannot.
It's illegal here as well, but that doesn't mean it can't
happen.
Murder is illegal as well, but having been inside the Cook
County Morgue, I can assure you, it does. Or rather it did in the
early 1990s. I left the funeral industry in 1993, so while I'm sure
there are many murder victims to be found inside CCM, I can't honestly
say I KNOW there are.
>
>If they are owed money by me, then they do what every other does, and tries
>to threaten me with court action! Courts and debt collectors exist for a
>reason.
>
I've never had to deal with a collection agency, but I've
heard stories.
In the U.S. it's pretty easy to avoid them. Write a cease and
desist letter and they're *supposed* to stop all contact until a law
suit has been filed.
>>
>>>
>>>> I set up a bank account solely for Paypal use. I don't
>>>> understand why people attach their primary banking account to Paypal.
>>>
>>>It makes accounting easier.
>>
>> I've had no trouble so far. Of course, I don't do my own
>> accounting. If God intended for me to do it, he wouldn't have
>> invented CPAs :-)
>
>I've always done my own figures...It's just easier, and I come from a
>background of finance people (my Dad was a auditor). So, in my blood I
>guess!
My sister is a CPA. She does our accounting as Lin doesn't
really understand it, and I don't like it.
For those who enjoy it, great! I **HATED** accounting class.
I could do everything, but I did NOT like it. Not one bit.
And no, I have no idea why I dispose it so much.
>
>Most people might pull out some coins from their pocket, count them and say
>they have 54p. I can do the same and tell you how I got the 54p and how much
>exactly I have in my accounts.
I couldn't even tell you where I got the coins in my pocket,
other than to say I got them as change from some place.
I suppose if I really thought about it, I could name the
various places I got change, but I don't think I could say, I got 15
cents from store A and 12 cents from store B.
>It's sometimes a curse, especially when my
>daughter wants some pocket money. I'm pretty strict about it. Spend it
>wisely, and dont ask your mother for anymore! (Wife has a habit of being
>sweet talked into parting with a tenner).
Reverse the roles, and you have my family. Of course, our
daughter is only eight months old, so she doesn't ask for
anything...yet :)
Our son... The less said, the less I look like a softy :)
>
>>
>>>
>>>Money comes and goes and is easier to see it at a glance (specifically,
>>>for
>>>fiscal planning, month by month charts I get from the bank, money in/money
>>>out).
>>
>> Personally, I've never had a problem paying seeing
>> transactions from any of the accounts.
>
>I do have a few accounts, but I have specific transactions on some of them,
>to keep them totally seperate. Like, I have a personal account that I use
>for magazine subscriptions for the family. It may sound pointless, but we
>all contribute money to it (part time jobs, any extra I make doing other
>work etc). Easier to see THAT account at a glance, rather than see it in the
>main account.
>
I fully understand.
Our rental account is separate from our joint account, which
is separate from mine and Lin's personal accounts, and my Paypal
account.
[...]
>>
>> I've read some horror stories about Paypal. I have no way to
>> know if they are true or not, but I figure there's no gain in taking a
>> risk I don't need to take.
>
>Well, things CAN happen, but they don't usually do.
To date, I've had no trouble. This doesn't mean something
can't go amiss in the future. I don't sit here fretting about what
*could* happen, since there is no gain in doing so.
*If* it does, I'll deal with it then. Since Paypal is
attached to a separate account that has never had more than $500.00 at
any one time, it won't be enough to make me go crazy with fear and
anger.
>
>If you read the press about Ryanair for example, you may think they should
>be avoided. Take it from me, they are the best airline I've used, and cheap
>too! They also had much higher reliability times than British Airways.
>
I've never flown either one. We fly Delta as often as
possible.
I have no idea why I am so Pro-Delta (I used them long before
I got the AmEx Delta card). I don't think they're any better or worse
than any other airline. Still, I always pick Delta if I have a
choice.
>I think horror stories are often the cause of the unexpected actually
>happening. To the extent it makes peoples blood boil.
>
>IF PayPal went into my bank account without my authorisation, my bank would
>cover it, as it is considered fraud.
It would likely fall under fraud here as well (I've not kept
up on applicable laws and regulations to the degree I could and
should).
>
>Most people dont speak to the right people when things go wrong. The other
>thing I have to say on this is, when people do find something go wrong, on a
>normally reliable channel, it generally goes THAT wrong, it's hard to see
>how it was so reliable to begin with.
Their view is tainted, in the short term at least, but the
negative experience. I expect everyone has experienced this a time or
two in their lives.
>
>Someone losing one parcel on eBay, doesnt mean the whole system is flawed,
>but amazingly, it does create that kinda mindset with people.
>
>Strange, but true. According to feedbacks i've read :-)
If a seller has 2000 feedback, and only 2% are neutral or
negative, it's a good seller.
In the case where I was ripped off, it's clear others were as
well. This only means this one seller was flawed. It didn't soil my
view of eBay. And other than using Paypal whenever possible, nothing
else has changed with my eBaying.
>
>l2oberto
>
BTW, I really like how you write Roberto. I've been meaning
to mention that.
Nothing major, I know, but it definitely makes you stand out.
--
Kent
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ashley luke
"Bruce Remick" <rem...@cox.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Kim" <first...@charter.net> wrote in message
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> > Hi. My name is Kim and I was a powerseller on eBay. My account was
> > canceled for no apparent reason give, then an eBay representative wrote
to
> > me and instructed me to fax certain documentation in then my account
would
> > be reinstated. I did so but my account was not reinstated. Now I have no
> > income and it is due to eBay's unfair policies and business practices.
> > They cancel your account and don't even explain why --- meanwhile I have
> > lost, no doubt just like many others and owe Fed Ex fees, DHL fees which
> > are due at the end of the month--of which I could have paid had my bids
> > and account not been canceled. They, eBay gave no reason why but just
> > exerted their "No ask..no tell why your account is being suspended".
> >
> > Also, when I click on the above link to see a "printable copy" of the
> > lawsuit, a blank screen comes up. I would like to see a copy of that
> > lawsuit.
> >
> > I have also been contacted by at least 9 - 10 others who need an
attorney
> > along with myself, to sue eBay for the unfair business practices. I was
> > referred to Suzanna Gal from the San Jose District Attorney's Office,
but
> > only after sending all my relevant paperwork and evidence to her, did
she
> > not even respond and has done absolutely nothing on the case. She is a
> > foreigner and I have trouble understanding her English. I have nothing
> > against foreigners but I simply cannot understand her...only that she
did
> > nothing on my case as well as many others, and she closed the case not
> > explaining to me what she did at all on my case. She only said "I cannot
> > force eBay into mediation"??? I wanted to see her office take much
needed
> > prosecution and swift, harsh legal action against eBay..What a total
waste
> > of time her office was. I even wrote to her supervisor and he sent me a
> > dear-john letter....nothing was ever done on my case. These people from
> > the DA's office are just as lazy and illegal in their conduct as eBay
is.
> >
> > We---myself and at least 10 others need a great attorney in that area or
> > whomever in the correction jurisdication has the know-how and much
needed
> > follow-thru to sue eBay.
> >
> > They have hurt me and damaged me for the last time! I have outstanding
> > bills and monetary obligations and I was doing great on eBay.
> >
> > The other matter regarding eBay's outrageous feedback & shill-bidding
> > policies need to be filed within this same lawsuit.
> >
> > Someone contact me for serious legal action against eBay. We (all 10 of
> > us) need a diligent, ethical attorney who will give eBay what they need
> > most---a kick in their legally constipated ass!
> >
> > Kim
>
> Life is often unfair. The thing called eBay is not a God-given right
> bestowed upon people who have chosen to use it to make money for
themselves.
> People who have woven their financial existance around eBay should recall
> what life was like for them BE. How did they manage to earn a living?
If
> you want to use eBay, you've gotta play by their rules and accept their
> whims-- agree with them or not. If they kick you off for an unexplained
> reason and you've got to find another way to sell your stuff, it's not
much
> different than getting booted out of the local country club where you made
> all your business contacts. You should never have come to depend so much
on
> eBay to the extent you want to sue them if you feel they wronged you. But
> go ahead, if that's what you feel you need to do. And good luck, unless
you
> manage to shut it down and spoil it for the rest of us who still enjoy it
as
> a fun and valuable tool for hobbyists and collectors.
>
> Bruce
>
>
>
>
>
Samantha Montague
>
> My business opinions have never even been mentioned.
You raised the issue of accounting, claimed that people linked paypal to
their bank accounts to make accounting simpler. Wasn't that a business
opinion? I can't imagine anyone who isn't in business having any
interest or concern with accounting.
This is a eBay thread,
> I am no longer in business.
My tax advisor tells me that my income from ebay is considered business
income.
Irrelevant to any discussion, as past business
> knowledge doesnt coincide with the current system, and i'm not about to
> argue a point that I paid 0% in corporation tax (for example) when that is
> no longer possible to do under the same circumstances!
>
> How you get from my saying I use my main account linked to paypal, to
> yapping on about excise duties and accountancy software, is beyond me.
Salty must have far too much free time on his hands because it is
apparent to anyone that most things are beyond you, and he really
doesn't need to keep making you prove it. Salty can often be funny, but
at times like this he needs to learn when to let it drop. You and your
responses aren't entertaining and aren't helpful, you lack the dry wit
that people like Lumpy, Don, Salty and a few others display. You are a
boring, pedantic, unimaginative and self contradictory man.
Now, as some may see, I am not having a great day and a few minutes
reading amoe in the hope of some light relief didn't help. Sometimes it
can be quite entertaining, but not today.
Sam
Roberto Pirezzi
"Samantha Montague" <n...@home.net> wrote in message
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> Roberto Pirezzi wrote:
>
>>
>> My business opinions have never even been mentioned.
>
> You raised the issue of accounting, claimed that people linked paypal to
> their bank accounts to make accounting simpler. Wasn't that a business
> opinion? I can't imagine anyone who isn't in business having any interest
> or concern with accounting.
No, it was not a business opinion.
Accounting refers to issues involving finance. Ever wondered WHY it is
called a Bank ACCOUNT?
But if I was too vague, then I apologise.
>
> This is a eBay thread,
>> I am no longer in business.
>
> My tax advisor tells me that my income from ebay is considered business
> income.
But I am NOT a seller! (read the thread).
And your tax advisor is incorrect (for simple definition) - at least from a
UK perpective. Income from eBay is taxable under normal taxation. i.e
supposed to be declared income.
It can apply as business income under other situations - i.e if it is proven
in court, the way you conduct sales is deemed to be in the way of trade or
business (invoices and such) - but then you become a "business", and no
longer deemed a private individual.
>
> Irrelevant to any discussion, as past business
>> knowledge doesnt coincide with the current system, and i'm not about to
>> argue a point that I paid 0% in corporation tax (for example) when that
>> is no longer possible to do under the same circumstances!
>>
>> How you get from my saying I use my main account linked to paypal, to
>> yapping on about excise duties and accountancy software, is beyond me.
>
> Salty must have far too much free time on his hands because it is apparent
> to anyone that most things are beyond you, and he really doesn't need to
> keep making you prove it. Salty can often be funny, but at times like this
> he needs to learn when to let it drop. You and your responses aren't
> entertaining and aren't helpful, you lack the dry wit that people like
> Lumpy, Don, Salty and a few others display. You are a boring, pedantic,
> unimaginative and self contradictory man.
Actually, my wit is acidic. And if I annoy people like you, I'm doing
something right. Fact is, I don't sell on eBay, and i'm not in business - so
how exactly is Salty's reply of any relevance?
I'm not saying Salty's comments are not fuelled with knowledge. It's just
not knowledge that is relevant to this specific discussion, but I would be
happy to discuss any of them on another thread!
However, it seems even attempting to keep to topic has caused some outrage!
>
> Now, as some may see, I am not having a great day and a few minutes
> reading amoe in the hope of some light relief didn't help. Sometimes it
> can be quite entertaining, but not today.
>
> Sam
>
It entertains me just fine! and I am not your problem! Unless you don't like
people who dont sell on eBay, then I guess I am the evil darkness.
l2oberto
Roberto Pirezzi
> As I understand it, on Thu, 12 Apr 2007 09:13:22 +0100, "Roberto
> Pirezzi" <roberto...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
> [snips for brevity]
>
>>>>
>>>>That's not much, but is that a reflection of ALL transactions?
>>>
>>> Almost all wins, yes. There may be one or two that didn't
>>> leave feedback.
>>
>>I didnt intend to imply 42 was "poor". I was talking figuratively
>>speaking,
>>that 42 wasnt a high number to really asscertain a true statistic. The
>>higher it goes, the better.
>
> True. But I can only go with the numbers I have. I don't use
> eBay much.
I accept that, and there is nothing wrong with that. You have gained some
knowledge of past transactions to be comfortable enough to form a valid
statistic, and that's all that really matters.
>
>>
>>> I don't *know* how many auctions I've bid on, if you're
>>> wondering about that. My guess is around 50. I've definitely bid on
>>> more auctions than I've won.
>>> I'll determine what an item is worth to me, and set my max bid
>>> accordingly. If the auction goes above what I am willing to pay, so
>>> be it.
>>> I've never sold anything on eBay, so that can't factor in.
>>
>>All mine were purchases. Not all purchases were for me, I did a spell
>>where
>>I bid on behalf of my aunt who had no computer, but as I paid, and
>>received,
>>I factored those in too (they are on my record afterall).
>
> Makes perfect sense.
I prefer to be as open as possible, so the discussion has some measurement
of fact. Just makes it easier to understand that's all.
>
>>
>>The way I bid, was 99% snipe at the last minute, which in those days,
>>saved
>>me a lot of money, as I'd get bids in rock bottom - I hate bidding early
>>as
>>that created immediate obvious interest, and also bidding early can prompt
>>a
>>shill bidder.
>>
>>I get what you're saying about bidding the max, and I agree, bidding as
>>much
>>as you are willing to pay is a good way to do it. I just like bidding late
>>to bid way below my max and win :-). Everyone is different. I'd hate it if
>>people did that to me all the time and I was a seller. That's kinda my
>>entire point made earlier about the "arrogance" of it not happening. I'm
>>just not the kind of person who would say something without accepting the
>>opposing fact.
>
> Again, I don't think the post was meant to be arrogant in any
> way. Of course, only the person who made the post can say for
> certain, and he hasn't been posting to this thread since we started
> posting between ourselves.
I'm the kind of person who will leave shit on someone's doorstep and watch
someone tread in it. Not literally of course, but provokation has a general
habit of finding out more about someone, and how they react to being called
arrogant to that comment, they could have explained it in more depth, they
chose not to. Enough people defended the poster though, always amusing to me
lol.
>
> [...]
>
>
>>>>
>>>>I think a lot of people DO NOT think they will get items, and that's a
>>>>primary cause for the slagging off of eBay from that angle. (same for
>>>>other
>>>>sites too).
>>>>
>>>
>>> Why would someone bid if they thought they wouldn't get the
>>> item?
Well, one example is randomness purchasing - I've known my wife to get a
damn big box of trinkets delivered, and a puzzled look on her face, only to
realise, ahh, yes..I remember now. I'm not saying I married a shopaholic,
but sometimes people buy and forget they bought.
To really answer your question though, is once again cynical. People think
too negatively. Why they bid, is down to hope, and wishful thinking. Most
items turn up, not all sellers are schmucks.
>>
>>Because we live in a cynical world, I can't understand why someone would
>>pay
>>using a credit card on the expectation they will need to make a
>>chargeback,
>>as Salty said, "expect the worst" lol.
>>
>
> I hope they aren't using it *expecting* to have to make a
> charge back. Maybe they use it "just in case."
I woudnt use it for pocket-change items, as even if I did require the use of
charge back, for the paltry sum, it just wouldnt be worth the hassle.
I think Ive said it, not sure if I sent the post, but I do usually make
larger purchases on credit card, and of course international purchases
(small change or not, cant use any other method for many international
purchases).
>
> [...]
>
>>>
>>>
>>> I don't think they use a credit card presuming they will have
>>> to file a chargeback, but they use one in case they have to.
>>
>>There are really 3 reasons why someone would use a credit card:
>>
>>A) Not enough money in their actual accounts - monthly salaries, and close
>>to payday being the general norm for lack of surplus cash.
>>
>>B) The incentives a CC offers (airmiles, etc)
>
> That's the main reason I use my American Express Delta. Every
> year it pays for me and the wife to fly to Aruba on Delta Air. We
> have to pay for the kids, but it's easier when our tickets are free.
>
My guess is pocket change items wouldn't cover the milegage from gate to
runway lol
I totally accept WHY you do use it though, as that is a great incentive.
Some would say you end up spending more to save the cost of flights, but it
actually evens itself out to being in your favour. Especially if you only
spend on CC what you'd spend anyway.
>>
>>C) Chargeback Protection
>>
>
> The protection is a nice perk. Especially if it ever becomes
> needed.
Like anything, when used, it's great. And I agree, it is a nice thing to
have IF you need it.
>
> [...]
>
>>>>
>>>>As my savings account sweeps money out of the current account, it makes
>>>>no
>>>>difference whether I have the current account on, or set up a new
>>>>account.
>>>>Money is still money whichever account it comes out of.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I use a special account just in case.
>>> If something goes wrong, and Paypal takes out everything from
>>> the account, I'll only be out a few hundred dollars while the matter
>>> gets cleared up.
>>
>>In the UK, it is prohibited for someone to dip into account without
>>authorisation. If the UK Government cannot do that, PayPal most certainly
>>cannot.
>
> It's illegal here as well, but that doesn't mean it can't
> happen.
The point is, it can only be a glitch, and a glitch reimbursement.
Having paid for 4 meals in a restaurant on our anniversary, when neither of
us ate that many, and neither of brought secret lovers, I was rather
annoyed!!! Call to bank, all sorted. I agree, it can cause problems in
"limbo" if the current balance is used to settle other debts, which cannot
be settled, but it is even rarer for banks not to reimburse and sort that
out, than the actual overpaying in the first place.
> Murder is illegal as well, but having been inside the Cook
> County Morgue, I can assure you, it does. Or rather it did in the
> early 1990s. I left the funeral industry in 1993, so while I'm sure
> there are many murder victims to be found inside CCM, I can't honestly
> say I KNOW there are.
But it is still a rare occurance, not that being dead has any real
advantages, but at least if paypal dips their hand where it doesnt belong,
someone will give it a smack.
>
>>
>>If they are owed money by me, then they do what every other does, and
>>tries
>>to threaten me with court action! Courts and debt collectors exist for a
>>reason.
>>
>
> I've never had to deal with a collection agency, but I've
> heard stories.
> In the U.S. it's pretty easy to avoid them. Write a cease and
> desist letter and they're *supposed* to stop all contact until a law
> suit has been filed.
I'm not that familiar with the UK system either, I do know that generally,
courts tend to be used for the purpose of debts, i.e CCJ (County Court
Judgement). I suppose a collection agency will lay it on thick to put the
shits up people, maybe the cease and desist letter works here, I'm not sure
if people are all that clued up about it. Might be worth looking into for
the sake of knowledge I guess. You never know when you need to know things!
>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I set up a bank account solely for Paypal use. I don't
>>>>> understand why people attach their primary banking account to Paypal.
>>>>
>>>>It makes accounting easier.
>>>
>>> I've had no trouble so far. Of course, I don't do my own
>>> accounting. If God intended for me to do it, he wouldn't have
>>> invented CPAs :-)
>>
>>I've always done my own figures...It's just easier, and I come from a
>>background of finance people (my Dad was a auditor). So, in my blood I
>>guess!
>
> My sister is a CPA. She does our accounting as Lin doesn't
> really understand it, and I don't like it.
> For those who enjoy it, great! I **HATED** accounting class.
> I could do everything, but I did NOT like it. Not one bit.
> And no, I have no idea why I dispose it so much.
Frankie is the same, she has not much clue when it comes to understanding
the ins and outs of money and accounts, so she trusts me to handle it, and
that's fine with me, like I said, my background is better suited to it.
Speaking of classes, as is plainly obvious, I am of Italian origin, but I
don't speak much of it, for the reason being, my Mother is British, and my
Dad didn't bother speaking Italian around the "family" here. IF there was a
class in school for Italian, I'd have took it, but as I got older, and
relied less and less on the need to speak it, would be too late to start
now. Frankie is also of Italian heritage, but it's her Mother who is
Italian, and ended up in the same situation as me. Or eldest, speaks Spanish
(spanish offered in school), so we have an Italian kid who speaks (fairly)
fluent Spanish lol
Back to you, sorry...I can see WHY people hate accounting, but true
accounting (i.e Chartered Accounting) is more to do with logic than numbers.
I mean, I can look at all my figures and come to a end sum for Tax purposes
(if I didnt pay them through employment), but I couldn't tell you the logic
to ALL the ways to saving Tax payments. That is why I am a manager in
distribution (I even have supplied trinkets to companies I've later bought
off!) and not sat in a office with Roberto C. Pirezzi ACA on my door lol.
But the main point is that you obviously found something you enjoyed doing,
and thats more important than doing what you didn't like :-)
>
>>
>>Most people might pull out some coins from their pocket, count them and
>>say
>>they have 54p. I can do the same and tell you how I got the 54p and how
>>much
>>exactly I have in my accounts.
>
> I couldn't even tell you where I got the coins in my pocket,
> other than to say I got them as change from some place.
> I suppose if I really thought about it, I could name the
> various places I got change, but I don't think I could say, I got 15
> cents from store A and 12 cents from store B.
Well, with the pace of life now, I rarely actually pull out coins from my
pocket and work out where they came from (technically, the royal mint in
Wales lol). I suppose, I couldn't really do it either, I had 31p in my
pocket yesterday and I knew that came from kwik-save in Buxton, as the item
was 69p and I gave a pound coin. lol
>
>>It's sometimes a curse, especially when my
>>daughter wants some pocket money. I'm pretty strict about it. Spend it
>>wisely, and dont ask your mother for anymore! (Wife has a habit of being
>>sweet talked into parting with a tenner).
>
> Reverse the roles, and you have my family. Of course, our
> daughter is only eight months old, so she doesn't ask for
> anything...yet :)
> Our son... The less said, the less I look like a softy :)
Our 3 are all teenagers now, hence the previous point about pace, and they
are all going through their teen phases, wanting rides here and there,
sooner our eldest gets her own car the better for me. Worse for me, is she
has a boyfriend who doesn't drive, and I am not a fan of him by any stretch
of the imagination. I told her, that boy is a fucking loser. She says "Well,
he's MY fucking loser". Watch your language or your mother will ground you.
Hypocritical I know. I have a tendency to swear. Do as I say, not do as I
do.
>
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>Money comes and goes and is easier to see it at a glance (specifically,
>>>>for
>>>>fiscal planning, month by month charts I get from the bank, money
>>>>in/money
>>>>out).
>>>
>>> Personally, I've never had a problem paying seeing
>>> transactions from any of the accounts.
>>
>>I do have a few accounts, but I have specific transactions on some of
>>them,
>>to keep them totally seperate. Like, I have a personal account that I use
>>for magazine subscriptions for the family. It may sound pointless, but we
>>all contribute money to it (part time jobs, any extra I make doing other
>>work etc). Easier to see THAT account at a glance, rather than see it in
>>the
>>main account.
>>
>
> I fully understand.
> Our rental account is separate from our joint account, which
> is separate from mine and Lin's personal accounts, and my Paypal
> account.
>
I like joint accounts as it seems like a LOT of money comes in to it!!!
2 sets of wages, both paid monthly....looks good!
We do have another account for Frankie's Car Payments, forgot about that
one!! Not sure why we originally set that up, think it was to keep that
entirely seperate, plus at the start she had a second job which she used to
help pay for the car.
> [...]
>
>>>
>>> I've read some horror stories about Paypal. I have no way to
>>> know if they are true or not, but I figure there's no gain in taking a
>>> risk I don't need to take.
>>
>>Well, things CAN happen, but they don't usually do.
>
> To date, I've had no trouble. This doesn't mean something
> can't go amiss in the future. I don't sit here fretting about what
> *could* happen, since there is no gain in doing so.
> *If* it does, I'll deal with it then. Since Paypal is
> attached to a separate account that has never had more than $500.00 at
> any one time, it won't be enough to make me go crazy with fear and
> anger.
It would be sods law for paypal to dip in on payday. Thats the only day the
account has a grandeur figure in it. Day before payday, very little. £0-100,
sweep to savings takes the majority of surplus.
>
>>
>>If you read the press about Ryanair for example, you may think they should
>>be avoided. Take it from me, they are the best airline I've used, and
>>cheap
>>too! They also had much higher reliability times than British Airways.
>>
>
> I've never flown either one. We fly Delta as often as
> possible.
> I have no idea why I am so Pro-Delta (I used them long before
> I got the AmEx Delta card). I don't think they're any better or worse
> than any other airline. Still, I always pick Delta if I have a
> choice.
We dont have a favourite really, as not all the good ones fly to where we
want to go...Always use Ryanair for Dublin, as they are the cheapest,
compared to AerLingus. (and we get there 5 minutes before they do lol). We
also use them for our trips from Dublin to Oslo in Norway (week in each)
Paris, requires a trip to a different airport to use JET2.COM who, are
basically in the same class as ryanair.
I've used easyjet who are crap. bmibaby to Prague, who were above average.
Treated ourselves to virgin for Las Vegas (fucking 5 Grand upgrade to
business class. One way). I ended up winning (profit of) just over $20,000
in the casinos, so luck was with me.
AirCanada to BC, reasonably good, but the price was a bit much for the
service. AirTransat to Toronto (dirt cheap,and fantastic service). Used BMI
(not bmibaby) a few times and found them to be hit and miss. One lot of bags
ended up in Mexico. BMI flights to the States. Thomas Cook to Montreal, very
good, lot of legroom, but the poorer 757 (poorer in the sense, much noiser
than the Airbus).
I rated concorde quite highly, mainly for travel time, but agreed it is a
aircraft that reached it's age. I dont recall it being all that cheap
either.
It really depends where we are going.
>
>>I think horror stories are often the cause of the unexpected actually
>>happening. To the extent it makes peoples blood boil.
>>
>>IF PayPal went into my bank account without my authorisation, my bank
>>would
>>cover it, as it is considered fraud.
>
> It would likely fall under fraud here as well (I've not kept
> up on applicable laws and regulations to the degree I could and
> should).
>
>>
>>Most people dont speak to the right people when things go wrong. The other
>>thing I have to say on this is, when people do find something go wrong, on
>>a
>>normally reliable channel, it generally goes THAT wrong, it's hard to see
>>how it was so reliable to begin with.
>
> Their view is tainted, in the short term at least, but the
> negative experience. I expect everyone has experienced this a time or
> two in their lives.
I agree, our favourite restaurant served us a cold meal, and it was that
dissapointing to us we stopped using it (wife's 30th birthday, so ruined her
day), and I guess the taint factor is dependant upon the reason for making
the purchase. Say it's a gift that doesnt arrive, then someone else besides
you has been let down, doubling the taint factor.
>
>>
>>Someone losing one parcel on eBay, doesnt mean the whole system is flawed,
>>but amazingly, it does create that kinda mindset with people.
>>
>>Strange, but true. According to feedbacks i've read :-)
>
> If a seller has 2000 feedback, and only 2% are neutral or
> negative, it's a good seller.
I actually think some people "Invent" item losses because they think they
can get away with it from some sellers. Feedback saying NEG. Never Arrived,
doesnt tell me if the seller refunded or not, or even if the buyer contacted
the seller about it.
> In the case where I was ripped off, it's clear others were as
> well. This only means this one seller was flawed. It didn't soil my
> view of eBay. And other than using Paypal whenever possible, nothing
> else has changed with my eBaying.
For me, I stopped buying because I continually found items I wanted
elsewhere cheaper, and so, every other place got the sales and ebay lost a
lot. Not their fault, not the sellers fault, just the way the game played
out!
>
>>
>>l2oberto
>>
>
> BTW, I really like how you write Roberto. I've been meaning
> to mention that.
> Nothing major, I know, but it definitely makes you stand out.
There is a story behind it (I hear the groans).
Our daughter is called Rachela, and it's become a thing for us to sign our
name "l2" on cards and notes. It's just stuck. She started it! I even sign
my cheques that way lol maybe that is too much info!
You could get away with l<ent....OK..maybe not LOL
But thanks for comment, nice to know someone noticed it. I'm sure my
nonsense makes me stand out even more though lol
Cheers
l2oberto
Kent Wills
<ashle...@wvi.com> wrote:
>I thought this was an ANTI- ebay group!
Only alt.anti-ebay is. The other groups are not.
--
Kent
Take too many pictures, laugh too much, and love like you've never
been hurt because every sixty seconds you spend upset is a minute of
happiness you'll never get back
Kent Wills
Montague <n...@home.net> wrote:
>Roberto Pirezzi wrote:
>
>>
>> My business opinions have never even been mentioned.
>
>You raised the issue of accounting, claimed that people linked paypal to
>their bank accounts to make accounting simpler. Wasn't that a business
>opinion? I can't imagine anyone who isn't in business having any
>interest or concern with accounting.
>
If I recall correctly, Roberto stated he doesn't use eBay
anymore (and eBay is what this thread is about).
This means he isn't a seller, which means his linking Paypal
to any account wouldn't instantly be a business opinion. It is, at
this point, equally possible it was 100% personal opinion.
> This is a eBay thread,
>> I am no longer in business.
>
>My tax advisor tells me that my income from ebay is considered business
>income.
>
I don't know from where you are posting, but in the U.S. it's
a business income if your selling is a business. If not, it may be
considered personal income. I think there's a dollar amount one has
to reach before that kicks in. Your tax advisor will know if this is
the case or not.
> Irrelevant to any discussion, as past business
>> knowledge doesnt coincide with the current system, and i'm not about to
>> argue a point that I paid 0% in corporation tax (for example) when that is
>> no longer possible to do under the same circumstances!
>>
>> How you get from my saying I use my main account linked to paypal, to
>> yapping on about excise duties and accountancy software, is beyond me.
>
>Salty must have far too much free time on his hands because it is
>apparent to anyone that most things are beyond you, and he really
>doesn't need to keep making you prove it. Salty can often be funny, but
>at times like this he needs to learn when to let it drop. You and your
>responses aren't entertaining and aren't helpful, you lack the dry wit
>that people like Lumpy, Don, Salty and a few others display. You are a
>boring, pedantic, unimaginative and self contradictory man.
>
You must have had far more experience with Roberto than I.
While it's clear we disagree on various items, he's not posted
anything in this thread that could be identified as boring, pedantic,
unimaginative and/or self contradictory.
>Now, as some may see, I am not having a great day and a few minutes
>reading amoe in the hope of some light relief didn't help. Sometimes it
>can be quite entertaining, but not today.
>
I hope the remainder of your day is better.
Kent Wills
Pirezzi" <roberto...@btinternet.com> wrote:
[snips for brevity]
>>>
>>>I get what you're saying about bidding the max, and I agree, bidding as
>>>much
>>>as you are willing to pay is a good way to do it. I just like bidding late
>>>to bid way below my max and win :-). Everyone is different. I'd hate it if
>>>people did that to me all the time and I was a seller. That's kinda my
>>>entire point made earlier about the "arrogance" of it not happening. I'm
>>>just not the kind of person who would say something without accepting the
>>>opposing fact.
>>
>> Again, I don't think the post was meant to be arrogant in any
>> way. Of course, only the person who made the post can say for
>> certain, and he hasn't been posting to this thread since we started
>> posting between ourselves.
>
>I'm the kind of person who will leave shit on someone's doorstep and watch
>someone tread in it. Not literally of course, but provokation has a general
>habit of finding out more about someone, and how they react to being called
>arrogant to that comment, they could have explained it in more depth, they
>chose not to.
Yep. The poster probably didn't and doesn't care.
>Enough people defended the poster though, always amusing to me
>lol.
And people say *I'm* easily amused :)
[...]
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Why would someone bid if they thought they wouldn't get the
>>>> item?
>
>Well, one example is randomness purchasing - I've known my wife to get a
>damn big box of trinkets delivered, and a puzzled look on her face, only to
>realise, ahh, yes..I remember now. I'm not saying I married a shopaholic,
>but sometimes people buy and forget they bought.
That hadn't occurred to me. Having used eBay for several
years, and only having a (metaphorically speaking) handful of auctions
under my belt, I've never had a purchase I forgot.
>
>To really answer your question though, is once again cynical. People think
>too negatively. Why they bid, is down to hope, and wishful thinking. Most
>items turn up, not all sellers are schmucks.
>
One item not showing up out of at least 32 wins tells me most
eBayers are decent. I think more than a few pad their shipping and
handling, but not so much that I refuse to use eBay.
>>>
>>>Because we live in a cynical world, I can't understand why someone would
>>>pay
>>>using a credit card on the expectation they will need to make a
>>>chargeback,
>>>as Salty said, "expect the worst" lol.
>>>
>>
>> I hope they aren't using it *expecting* to have to make a
>> charge back. Maybe they use it "just in case."
>
>I woudnt use it for pocket-change items, as even if I did require the use of
>charge back, for the paltry sum, it just wouldnt be worth the hassle.
I've not had to make used of the feature, but it would likely
depend on the amount with me as well. $20.00? I'm not likely to lose
sleep over it and as such, not care enough to do a charge back.
$200.00 is another matter.
>
>I think Ive said it, not sure if I sent the post, but I do usually make
>larger purchases on credit card, and of course international purchases
>(small change or not, cant use any other method for many international
>purchases).
>
Most purchases I make are done on the AmEx Delta card.
>>
>> [...]
>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I don't think they use a credit card presuming they will have
>>>> to file a chargeback, but they use one in case they have to.
>>>
>>>There are really 3 reasons why someone would use a credit card:
>>>
>>>A) Not enough money in their actual accounts - monthly salaries, and close
>>>to payday being the general norm for lack of surplus cash.
>>>
>>>B) The incentives a CC offers (airmiles, etc)
>>
>> That's the main reason I use my American Express Delta. Every
>> year it pays for me and the wife to fly to Aruba on Delta Air. We
>> have to pay for the kids, but it's easier when our tickets are free.
>>
>
>My guess is pocket change items wouldn't cover the milegage from gate to
>runway lol
>
>I totally accept WHY you do use it though, as that is a great incentive.
>Some would say you end up spending more to save the cost of flights, but it
>actually evens itself out to being in your favour. Especially if you only
>spend on CC what you'd spend anyway.
>
That's how I do it. And I pay the bill in full every month.
Well, last year it took a bit longer, but that's because I
bought a Rolex. I *might* have been able to pay the whole $15,000.00
for the watch when the bill arrived, but I don't think Lindsay and our
son would have liked living in the car (our daughter wasn't yet born,
so she wouldn't have cared either way <g>).
[...]
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I use a special account just in case.
>>>> If something goes wrong, and Paypal takes out everything from
>>>> the account, I'll only be out a few hundred dollars while the matter
>>>> gets cleared up.
>>>
>>>In the UK, it is prohibited for someone to dip into account without
>>>authorisation. If the UK Government cannot do that, PayPal most certainly
>>>cannot.
>>
>> It's illegal here as well, but that doesn't mean it can't
>> happen.
>
>The point is, it can only be a glitch, and a glitch reimbursement.
>
>Having paid for 4 meals in a restaurant on our anniversary, when neither of
>us ate that many, and neither of brought secret lovers, I was rather
>annoyed!!! Call to bank, all sorted. I agree, it can cause problems in
>"limbo" if the current balance is used to settle other debts, which cannot
>be settled, but it is even rarer for banks not to reimburse and sort that
>out, than the actual overpaying in the first place.
>
>> Murder is illegal as well, but having been inside the Cook
>> County Morgue, I can assure you, it does. Or rather it did in the
>> early 1990s. I left the funeral industry in 1993, so while I'm sure
>> there are many murder victims to be found inside CCM, I can't honestly
>> say I KNOW there are.
>
>But it is still a rare occurance, not that being dead has any real
>advantages,
I think you're excused from personally paying taxes :)
>but at least if paypal dips their hand where it doesnt belong,
>someone will give it a smack.
>
[...]
>>
>>
>> I've never had to deal with a collection agency, but I've
>> heard stories.
>> In the U.S. it's pretty easy to avoid them. Write a cease and
>> desist letter and they're *supposed* to stop all contact until a law
>> suit has been filed.
>
>I'm not that familiar with the UK system either, I do know that generally,
>courts tend to be used for the purpose of debts, i.e CCJ (County Court
>Judgement). I suppose a collection agency will lay it on thick to put the
>shits up people, maybe the cease and desist letter works here, I'm not sure
>if people are all that clued up about it. Might be worth looking into for
>the sake of knowledge I guess. You never know when you need to know things!
>
The only reason I know about it is from the consumer groups I
read and post to. Every so often someone will post about a debt
collection agency calling them and wondering what to do.
The first time I saw one, I thought about replying with, "Pay
them if you owe it. If you don't, tell them to send you proof that
you owe it."
I chose to hold off, and others commented about applicable
law, offering cites and such.
[...]
>>
>> My sister is a CPA. She does our accounting as Lin doesn't
>> really understand it, and I don't like it.
>> For those who enjoy it, great! I **HATED** accounting class.
>> I could do everything, but I did NOT like it. Not one bit.
>> And no, I have no idea why I dispose it so much.
>
>Frankie is the same, she has not much clue when it comes to understanding
>the ins and outs of money and accounts, so she trusts me to handle it, and
>that's fine with me, like I said, my background is better suited to it.
>
>Speaking of classes, as is plainly obvious, I am of Italian origin, but I
My name does a fabulous job of hiding the fact that I was born
and raised in Krakow, Poland. Because of this, I don't presume
anyone's name necessarily gives an accurate reference to
racial/ethic/etc. origins.
>don't speak much of it,
I know enough Italian to get my face slapped by any number of
Italian speaking women :-)
>for the reason being, my Mother is British, and my
>Dad didn't bother speaking Italian around the "family" here. IF there was a
>class in school for Italian, I'd have took it, but as I got older, and
>relied less and less on the need to speak it, would be too late to start
>now.
It's never too late. It is far easier for a child to learn.
For example, our son can speak English and Polish fluently, and
Spanish well enough to get his point across (but he INSISTS it's NOT
because he has a crush on the Mexican girl a few streets over, since,
of course, he doesn't have a crush on her).
>Frankie is also of Italian heritage, but it's her Mother who is
>Italian, and ended up in the same situation as me. Or eldest, speaks Spanish
>(spanish offered in school), so we have an Italian kid who speaks (fairly)
>fluent Spanish lol
Our children are half Polish, half Salvadorian (Lin's parents
emigrated over 50 years ago).
What's really funny, IMO, is that Lin knows very little
Spanish. Her parents won't speak it to anyone but me, and their son's
wife. And we only speak it around gift giving occasions to keep Lin
and/or Bill (Lin's brother) from knowing what we're talking about.
>
>Back to you, sorry...I can see WHY people hate accounting, but true
>accounting (i.e Chartered Accounting) is more to do with logic than numbers.
>
>I mean, I can look at all my figures and come to a end sum for Tax purposes
>(if I didnt pay them through employment), but I couldn't tell you the logic
>to ALL the ways to saving Tax payments. That is why I am a manager in
>distribution (I even have supplied trinkets to companies I've later bought
>off!) and not sat in a office with Roberto C. Pirezzi ACA on my door lol.
:-)
>
>But the main point is that you obviously found something you enjoyed doing,
>and thats more important than doing what you didn't like :-)
Yes. As I often tell people, find something you enjoy, then
find a way to make a living doing that.
[...]
>>
>> I couldn't even tell you where I got the coins in my pocket,
>> other than to say I got them as change from some place.
>> I suppose if I really thought about it, I could name the
>> various places I got change, but I don't think I could say, I got 15
>> cents from store A and 12 cents from store B.
>
>Well, with the pace of life now, I rarely actually pull out coins from my
>pocket and work out where they came from (technically, the royal mint in
>Wales lol). I suppose, I couldn't really do it either, I had 31p in my
>pocket yesterday and I knew that came from kwik-save in Buxton, as the item
>was 69p and I gave a pound coin. lol
We have a few dollar coins here that aren't well liked by
anyone. The Susan B. Anthony dollar has a similar look and feel to
the quarter dollar coin. And as I learned one day, some "bubble gum"
stand alone machines will take them as if they were quarters.
The Sacagawea dollar coin is gold in color, so it isn't
confused with anything else. Still, few people like it.
>
>>
>>>It's sometimes a curse, especially when my
>>>daughter wants some pocket money. I'm pretty strict about it. Spend it
>>>wisely, and dont ask your mother for anymore! (Wife has a habit of being
>>>sweet talked into parting with a tenner).
>>
>> Reverse the roles, and you have my family. Of course, our
>> daughter is only eight months old, so she doesn't ask for
>> anything...yet :)
>> Our son... The less said, the less I look like a softy :)
>
>Our 3 are all teenagers now, hence the previous point about pace, and they
>are all going through their teen phases, wanting rides here and there,
I'm not looking forward to that.
>sooner our eldest gets her own car the better for me. Worse for me, is she
>has a boyfriend who doesn't drive, and I am not a fan of him by any stretch
>of the imagination. I told her, that boy is a fucking loser. She says "Well,
>he's MY fucking loser". Watch your language or your mother will ground you.
>Hypocritical I know. I have a tendency to swear. Do as I say, not do as I
>do.
For shame! :)
[...]
>>>main account.
>>>
>>
>> I fully understand.
>> Our rental account is separate from our joint account, which
>> is separate from mine and Lin's personal accounts, and my Paypal
>> account.
>>
>
>I like joint accounts as it seems like a LOT of money comes in to it!!!
>
>2 sets of wages, both paid monthly....looks good!
Until the mortgage is taken out anyway :)
[...]
>>>
>>>Well, things CAN happen, but they don't usually do.
>>
>> To date, I've had no trouble. This doesn't mean something
>> can't go amiss in the future. I don't sit here fretting about what
>> *could* happen, since there is no gain in doing so.
>> *If* it does, I'll deal with it then. Since Paypal is
>> attached to a separate account that has never had more than $500.00 at
>> any one time, it won't be enough to make me go crazy with fear and
>> anger.
>
>It would be sods law for paypal to dip in on payday. Thats the only day the
>account has a grandeur figure in it. Day before payday, very little. £0-100,
>sweep to savings takes the majority of surplus.
>
Our join and personal accounts usual have more than enough,
even the day before payday. But then, *generally* speaking, we don't
spend a great deal.
I do have a tendency to buy flashy gold and diamond rings for
myself (platinum for Lin). And I do love new cars (recently bought a
PT Cruiser because... well... It was Saturday).
[...]
>>>
>>
>> I've never flown either one. We fly Delta as often as
>> possible.
>> I have no idea why I am so Pro-Delta (I used them long before
>> I got the AmEx Delta card). I don't think they're any better or worse
>> than any other airline. Still, I always pick Delta if I have a
>> choice.
>
>We dont have a favourite really, as not all the good ones fly to where we
>want to go...Always use Ryanair for Dublin, as they are the cheapest,
>compared to AerLingus. (and we get there 5 minutes before they do lol). We
>also use them for our trips from Dublin to Oslo in Norway (week in each)
>
>Paris, requires a trip to a different airport to use JET2.COM who, are
>basically in the same class as ryanair.
>
>I've used easyjet who are crap. bmibaby to Prague, who were above average.
>
>Treated ourselves to virgin for Las Vegas (fucking 5 Grand upgrade to
>business class. One way).
That seems high. I presume that's £5000.00 and not $5000.00.
£5000.00 converts to $9914.50 in U.S. dollars (using today's
conversion rate as listed by the Federal Reserve Bank of New York).
>I ended up winning (profit of) just over $20,000
>in the casinos, so luck was with me.
Better than losing.
>
>AirCanada to BC, reasonably good, but the price was a bit much for the
>service. AirTransat to Toronto (dirt cheap,and fantastic service). Used BMI
>(not bmibaby) a few times and found them to be hit and miss. One lot of bags
>ended up in Mexico. BMI flights to the States. Thomas Cook to Montreal, very
>good, lot of legroom, but the poorer 757 (poorer in the sense, much noiser
>than the Airbus).
>
>I rated concorde quite highly, mainly for travel time, but agreed it is a
>aircraft that reached it's age. I dont recall it being all that cheap
>either.
I regret never having flown on the concorde. I've wanted to
for ages, but never did.
Maybe someone will come out with a new sonic plane for
passengers before I'm too old to enjoy the speed. I don't hold out
much hope, since I don't think anyone is seriously looking into it.
[...]
>>
>>>
>>>Someone losing one parcel on eBay, doesnt mean the whole system is flawed,
>>>but amazingly, it does create that kinda mindset with people.
>>>
>>>Strange, but true. According to feedbacks i've read :-)
>>
>> If a seller has 2000 feedback, and only 2% are neutral or
>> negative, it's a good seller.
>
>I actually think some people "Invent" item losses because they think they
>can get away with it from some sellers. Feedback saying NEG. Never Arrived,
>doesnt tell me if the seller refunded or not, or even if the buyer contacted
>the seller about it.
It would help if eBay allowed for longer, more detailed
feedback.
>
>> In the case where I was ripped off, it's clear others were as
>> well. This only means this one seller was flawed. It didn't soil my
>> view of eBay. And other than using Paypal whenever possible, nothing
>> else has changed with my eBaying.
>
>For me, I stopped buying because I continually found items I wanted
>elsewhere cheaper, and so, every other place got the sales and ebay lost a
>lot. Not their fault, not the sellers fault, just the way the game played
>out!
Definitely.
I don't know if I could have gotten the items I won cheaper
elsewhere, as I never looked. I don't think I could since the bulk of
what I've bought is in some way related to Xuxa (A Brazilian actress
and singer).
She had a show in the U.S. back in 1993, but it only lasted
one season, so there isn't much in the way of related merchandise to
be found.
>
>>
>>>
>>>l2oberto
>>>
>>
>> BTW, I really like how you write Roberto. I've been meaning
>> to mention that.
>> Nothing major, I know, but it definitely makes you stand out.
>
>There is a story behind it (I hear the groans).
>
>Our daughter is called Rachela, and it's become a thing for us to sign our
>name "l2" on cards and notes. It's just stuck. She started it! I even sign
>my cheques that way lol maybe that is too much info!
Meh... I don't expect I'll end up needing to know it on a quiz
show, but just in case I end up on some show on ITV1 (it's
*possible*), I'll make a mental note :-)
It's my understanding that ITV1 used to have quiz shows on
Saturday nights, before the unexpectedly popular Primeval aired.
Good show, BTW. I often call it "Torchwood" with a brain!
But then, I thought "Shaun of the Dead" was a funny movie, so maybe
I'm not the best judge :-)
>
>You could get away with l<ent....OK..maybe not LOL
>
Nah. I'll stick with the traditional K :)
>But thanks for comment, nice to know someone noticed it. I'm sure my
>nonsense makes me stand out even more though lol
>
While our conversation has evolved from things we disagree
about to things we do, I haven't seen anything from you that would
qualify as nonsense.