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1787 Brasher Doubloon Replica

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Steve J

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Mar 7, 2000, 3:00:00 AM3/7/00
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I have a 1787 Brasher Doubloon replica piece that I've got questions
about. It is 2 ounces .999 fine silver electroplated with 24k gold. For
the purists who are gagging about now, I couldn't afford 1.5 mil or so
when and if a real one hits the market. This piece actually is very nice
looking and it cost me 12 bucks.

Came in a Kointains in a sheath-type box with a coa signed by one Arthur
Blumenthal, member, ANA & ANS. Made by America's Legendary Coins
according to the seller, but no company name on box or coa. "Copy" is
the shield on the eagle's breast. Does anyone know anything about this
company or when this doubloon was made?

What does "Nova eboraca columbia" mean? Also "Excesior". This is the
reverse legend.

As a neither here nor here question, why gold electroplate pure silver.
Would not the final look be the same with electroplated pot metal?
Simply a selling point to garner a higher retail price, maybe?

Thanks in advance.


PFDJR

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Mar 8, 2000, 3:00:00 AM3/8/00
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Pisc...@webtv.net (Steve J) wrote:

>>> I have a 1787 Brasher Doubloon replica piece that I've got questions about.
It is 2 ounces .999 fine silver electroplated with 24k gold. For the purists
who are gagging about now, I couldn't afford 1.5 mil or so when and if a real
one hits the market. This piece actually is very nice looking and it cost me 12

bucks....<<<

At 2 ounces I imagine it's a bit larger than the original coin.

The Gallery Mint Museum has replicas in 22kt gold weighing 26.6 grams with a
diameter of 28.6 mm for a bit more than you paid....$385

http://www.coin-gallery.com/gmm/gmmprods.htm

>>> As a neither here nor here question, why gold electroplate pure silver. <<<

Don't know about the company that made yours and hopefully someone else
remembers more Latin than I do.

However, I have heard that silver makes the best substrate for gold plating.


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Stephen Suffet

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Mar 8, 2000, 3:00:00 AM3/8/00
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Steve J wrote:
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> What does "Nova eboraca columbia" mean? Also "Excesior". This is the
> reverse legend.
>

Greetings:

These terms are Latin. I presume you did not study that language.

Nova Eboraca = New York

Columbia = Land of Columbus, that is America

Excelsior = higher, loftier, upward (official motto of New York State)


In the late 18th century and well into the 19th century, the word
Columbia was often used as an alternative to America. Thus, the site
of the new national capital would be within the District of Columbia.
Kings College, once a hotbed of Toryism, reopened as Columbia College.
And school children would sing. "O Columbia, the Gem of the Ocean!"

Eboracum was the name of the Roman settlement that is now the City
of York -- a beautiful walled city, I may add -- in England. Eboraca
is a form of that name. And Nova Eboraca literally means New York.
Both the city and the colony (now state) were named in honor of the
Duke of York, the brother of Charles II of England.

--- Steve

TomDeLorey

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Mar 8, 2000, 3:00:00 AM3/8/00
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>Subject: 1787 Brasher Doubloon Replica
>From: Pisc...@webtv.net (Steve J)
>Date: 3/7/00 5:48 PM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: <4069-38C...@storefull-167.iap.bryant.webtv.net>

>
>I have a 1787 Brasher Doubloon replica piece that I've got questions
>about. It is 2 ounces .999 fine silver electroplated with 24k gold. For
>the purists who are gagging about now, I couldn't afford 1.5 mil or so
>when and if a real one hits the market. This piece actually is very nice
>looking and it cost me 12 bucks.
>
>Came in a Kointains in a sheath-type box with a coa signed by one Arthur
>Blumenthal, member, ANA & ANS. Made by America's Legendary Coins
>according to the seller, but no company name on box or coa. "Copy" is
>the shield on the eagle's breast. Does anyone know anything about this
>company or when this doubloon was made?
>

New definition of the word Oxymoron: a Certificate Of Authenticity for a
fake......
.
TD

Aram H. Haroutunian

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Mar 9, 2000, 3:00:00 AM3/9/00
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tomde...@aol.com (TomDeLorey) wrote:

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Don't you mean a GENUINE fake? COA that this fake is genuine, not a
fake fake. :-) Aram.

Steve J

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Mar 9, 2000, 3:00:00 AM3/9/00
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Purists have surfaced:

>New definition of the word Oxymoron: a
>Certificate Of Authenticity for a fake......
>.
>TD
>========================
>Don't you mean a GENUINE fake? COA that
>this fake is genuine, not a fake fake. :-) Aram.

OK, the copy fake impersonator genuine fake cheap imitation slug is just
that. I think the coa was to guarantee the 2 ounces of silver, but who
really knows what's under the gold plating or who really cares too
awfully much. The point being most of us will never own one of the 5 (?)
real Brashers, but a slug such as this is better than a picture in a
book. It does have "copy" on the reverse eagle's breast.

By the way, I did not intend to insult two learned numismatists by
starting this post off with the word "purists." I mentioned in the
original post something about why I bought this item to help alleviate
the gagging of the purists over the subject slug.

Also, I don't or won't own any painted or plated silver eagles, state
quarters, or any other ruined real coin. I do have a bit of purist in
me. :) Kinda like the difference between the uppity dry fly only trout
fisherman and the lowly corn-on-a-hook carp fisherman.


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