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Dan Pon

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Apr 17, 2002, 7:56:21 PM4/17/02
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If you check out the state of Michigan website at http://mich.gov ,
they have the final results of the online poll on the five finalist
designs. The top votegetter was probably the ugliest of the designs,
IMHO. It's got the outline of the state and all of the Great Lakes
(never mind that one of the lakes doesn't even touch Michigan) along
with a bunch of various symbols representing the state scattered
around the rim (which places them in Canada and surrounding states if
you think of the design as a map). Some of the symbols are just barely
big enough to be recognizable. Whoever dreamed this up has no idea of
artistic composition. However, it should be remembered that the votes
were split among 5 designs, and if there were a runoff between the top
two, the results might be different. Some of the designs were so
similar, vote splitting was virtually guaranteed. I did like the
second place design (not the greatest, but the best of what was given)
which shows just the outline of the state and a depiction of the
Mackinac Bridge in it's correct geographical location and an antique
auto near Detroit. It's not cluttered. I hope that the powers that be
don't go by the results of the online poll and instead use their own
judgment and go with what is undoubtedley the neatest design.

Bob Flaminio

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Apr 17, 2002, 7:59:23 PM4/17/02
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"Dan Pon" <eny...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> If you check out the state of Michigan website at http://mich.gov ,
> they have the final results of the online poll on the five finalist
> designs. The top votegetter was probably the ugliest of the designs,
> IMHO.

Oh yeah. They've taken ugly to a new level with that design. Compare
the "winner" with D. Carr's design. My ghod -- wtf are people up there
thinking/drinking/smoking?

-Bob


Dr. Richard L. Hall

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Apr 17, 2002, 7:09:09 PM4/17/02
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Are we running out of imagination? These are barely more than outlines of
the state.


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Stujoe

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Apr 17, 2002, 8:27:32 PM4/17/02
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In article <a9l28s$49knv$1...@ID-40152.news.dfncis.de>, Bob Flaminio
spoke thusly...

Massive Brain Freeze. :-)

Seriously, those are the worst 5 design choices I have seen with
Texas (Massive Brain Melt) being a very close second if you have seen
those.

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Alan & Erin Williams

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Apr 17, 2002, 8:30:50 PM4/17/02
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Stujoe wrote:

> In article <a9l28s$49knv$1...@ID-40152.news.dfncis.de>, Bob Flaminio
> spoke thusly...
> > "Dan Pon" <eny...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:30381118.02041...@posting.google.com...
> > > If you check out the state of Michigan website at http://mich.gov ,
> > > they have the final results of the online poll on the five finalist
> > > designs. The top votegetter was probably the ugliest of the designs,
> > > IMHO.
> >
> > Oh yeah. They've taken ugly to a new level with that design. Compare
> > the "winner" with D. Carr's design. My ghod -- wtf are people up there
> > thinking/drinking/smoking?
>
> Massive Brain Freeze. :-)
>
> Seriously, those are the worst 5 design choices I have seen with
> Texas (Massive Brain Melt) being a very close second if you have seen
> those.
>

Texas....did I see Texas? I can;t remember...

Alan
'how about a state outline and a star!'

TomDeLorey

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Apr 17, 2002, 8:42:57 PM4/17/02
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I grew up in Michigan, and I do not recall that we claimed the "North Star" as
our own. A horrible choice.
Tom DeLorey
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>Subject: Michigan quarter voting results in
>From: eny...@yahoo.com (Dan Pon)
>Date: 4/17/2002 6:56 PM Central Daylight Time
>Message-id: <30381118.02041...@posting.google.com>


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JOPN

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Apr 17, 2002, 8:58:24 PM4/17/02
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>
>Seriously, those are the worst 5 design choices I have seen with
>Texas (Massive Brain Melt) being a very close second if you have seen
>those.
>

When I think of MI I think of Detroit and cars. Is this the 1st purely
geographical design?

Alan & Erin Williams

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Apr 17, 2002, 8:55:29 PM4/17/02
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JOPN wrote:

When I think of Michigan I think of Grand Rapids under about 4 and half
feet with the wind howling across a flat treeless landscape, furniture
dealers everywhere and tractor trailers *still* crawling the interstate.

Alan
'I still have nightmares about that one'


Stujoe

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Apr 17, 2002, 9:23:31 PM4/17/02
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In article <20020417205824...@mb-cg.aol.com>, JOPN spoke
thusly...

Cars and Motown for me too. I am sure there are other things too that
could be represented well also.

"More than 4300 design choices" and what did The Committee choose?

2 state/lake outlines
2 state/lake outlines with a small car off to the side
1 state/lake outline with some other stuff about the size of a gnat's
butt placed around it.

Clip Art Quarters at their worst.

Michael G. Koerner

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Apr 17, 2002, 10:41:30 PM4/17/02
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Well, it depends on the KIND of cars. Those Michiganers who live a
couple of hours from me would likely envision a rusted out mid-1970s
Chevy with a deer roped to its roof.

OTOH, that bridge on I-75 (as depicted on Mr. Carr's design) is the
first 'Michigan' image that comes to MY mind.

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Dave Parrish

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Apr 18, 2002, 5:28:04 AM4/18/02
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tomde...@aol.comknowspam (TomDeLorey) wrote in message
> I grew up in Michigan, and I do not recall that we claimed the "North Star" as
> our own. A horrible choice.
> Tom DeLorey
> .
Probably by some miscreants definition, Alaska is up in the UP
somewhere, so that is probably where the North Star came from:)

Dave

Michael E. Marotta

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Apr 18, 2002, 8:35:08 AM4/18/02
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The little teeny objects are not going to get passed the US Mint. The
state outline with Lake Ontario will be changed as well. At least,
one can only hope. Patrick Heller of Liberty Coins worked really hard
on publicity for this for several years, sponsoring YN art contests
for designs, and so on. The major source of the failure mode here is
the HUGE size of the committee. Lots of political appointees and a few
numismatists whose expert opinions were washed out by the politicals
on the committee.

In Ohio -- where I now temporarily live -- the problem was equal and
opposite. No attention given until the last minute and a hasty
committee of three. Beth Deisher was the only serious expert in
numismatics to serve, as I recall.

My wife and I are moving to New Mexico this month. I will do what I
can when I get there. (Let's see: outline of the state, road runner,
flying saucer.... outline of the state cactus... outline of the state,
atom bomb... outline of the state ....) In truth, my favorite is
Rhode Island. Good composition. Good theme. No state outline.

J. Stone

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Apr 18, 2002, 8:35:01 AM4/18/02
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Welcome back Mike. It has been a long time since you posted here.

Chris Matthaei

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Apr 18, 2002, 10:38:13 AM4/18/02
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"Dr. Richard L. Hall" <ric...@ix.netcom.com> writes:

>Are we running out of imagination? These are barely more than outlines of
>the state.

Dang. Those are truely the worst I've seen so far. I think MI has the
worst state outline for putting on a coin. It's too spread out when you
include the UP. The Mackinac bridge looks really garbled when superimposed
over the state outline. Bad designs, all of them.

Chris

Bob Flaminio

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Apr 18, 2002, 11:40:58 AM4/18/02
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"Dr. Richard L. Hall" <ric...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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> Are we running out of imagination? These are barely more than
outlines of
> the state.

My proposal for the California quarter is looking more and more
likely:

http://coins.flaminio.com/ca.gif

-Bob


Andrew

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Apr 18, 2002, 2:02:51 PM4/18/02
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| If you check out the state of Michigan website at http://mich.gov ,
| they have the final results of the online poll on the five finalist
designs.

These designs will completely eliminate our ability to detect die cracks.
Good job, Michigan! Creating a coin so ugly it can not be recognized from a
blank planchet with squiggles gouged into it.
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Marc VanHeyningen

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Apr 22, 2002, 4:26:07 PM4/22/02
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Thus said "Bob Flaminio" <b...@flaminio.com>:

Is that "CA" as in "caca"?

I think your design should also incorporate a motto ("This is what our
state is shaped like".)

Alan & Erin Williams

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Apr 22, 2002, 4:41:56 PM4/22/02
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Marc VanHeyningen wrote:

LOL!

Get all 50 and complete the jigsaw puzzle. ;-)

Alan


Mike Benveniste

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Apr 22, 2002, 6:12:48 PM4/22/02
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"Michael E. Marotta" wrote:
> My wife and I are moving to New Mexico this month. I will do what I
> can when I get there. (Let's see: outline of the state, road runner,
> flying saucer.... outline of the state cactus... outline of the state,
> atom bomb... outline of the state ....) In truth, my favorite is
> Rhode Island. Good composition. Good theme. No state outline.

I'm beginning to wonder if Colorado and Wyoming are going to use their
state outlines, and if Alaska is going to insist their won't fit on
anything less than a half-dollar.

I'm shocked, shocked, that art by political committee is so drab as
lifeless. Simply shocked.

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JSTONE9352

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Apr 22, 2002, 6:59:49 PM4/22/02
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>Alaska is going to insist their won't fit on
>anything less than a half-dollar.
>


Alaska - polar bear.

TomDeLorey

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Apr 22, 2002, 8:46:57 PM4/22/02
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How about "The Boomerang State" for California's state quarter with outline
motto?
TD
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>Subject: Re: Michigan quarter voting results in
>From: mvan...@cs.indiana.edu (Marc VanHeyningen)
>Date: 4/22/2002 3:26 PM Central Daylight Time
>Message-id: <aa1rkv$ue4$1...@wilson.uits.indiana.edu>

TomDeLorey

TomDeLorey

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Apr 22, 2002, 8:48:41 PM4/22/02
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Nope....the Kodiak Bear would be more appropriate.

TD
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>Subject: Re: Michigan quarter voting results in
>From: jston...@aol.com (JSTONE9352)
>Date: 4/22/2002 5:59 PM Central Daylight Time
>Message-id: <20020422185949...@mb-mg.aol.com>

>
>>Alaska is going to insist their won't fit on
>>anything less than a half-dollar.
>>
>
>
>Alaska - polar bear.
>
>
>
>
>
>

JSTONE9352

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Apr 23, 2002, 5:38:38 AM4/23/02
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>Nope....the Kodiak Bear would be more appropriate.
>TD
>.


Is the polar bear white and the Kodiak bear brown? I guess I had white on my
mind
because when I think of Alaska I think of snow.

TomDeLorey

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Apr 23, 2002, 10:02:05 AM4/23/02
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The Kodiak Bear is sort of an overgrown grizzly bear, if such a thing is
possible. They are found on Kodiak Island, Alaska, though I dare say they can
go anywhere they want as far as I am concerned.
Polar bears are a different species, and are found all around the Arctic Ocean,
not just Alaska.
TD.

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>From: jston...@aol.com (JSTONE9352)
>Date: 4/23/2002 4:38 AM Central Daylight Time
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TomDeLorey

Larry Craddock

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Apr 23, 2002, 4:02:17 PM4/23/02
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A bear would be nice for our quarter but we all know we will be stuck with an outline of the state with the big dipper inside
Alaska Larry

Alan & Erin Williams

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Apr 23, 2002, 3:59:31 PM4/23/02
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Larry Craddock wrote:

> A bear would be nice for our quarter but we all know we will be stuck with an outline of the state with the big dipper inside
> Alaska Larry
>

Alaskans are smart people.

I predict no state outline for Alaska.

Bet you are right about Ursa Major, however.

Maybe I can root for a Majestic Caribou under it.

Alan
'HTT for Pillar Dollar...not much time left'

David Ryan

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Apr 23, 2002, 5:13:28 PM4/23/02
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Alan & Erin Williams wrote:
>
> Larry Craddock wrote:
>
> > A bear would be nice for our quarter but we all know we will be stuck with an outline of the state with the big dipper inside
> > Alaska Larry
> >
>
> Alaskans are smart people.
>
> I predict no state outline for Alaska.
>
> Bet you are right about Ursa Major, however.
>
> Maybe I can root for a Majestic Caribou under it.

Warming itself next to the pipeline :)

Michael G. Koerner

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Apr 23, 2002, 8:08:06 PM4/23/02
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Larry Craddock wrote:
>
> A bear would be nice for our quarter but we all know we will be stuck with an outline of the state with the big dipper inside
> Alaska Larry

I wouldn't mind seeing the top of a totem pole. A 'Big Dipper and North
Star' behind it would be a nice added touch.

Bob Flaminio

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Apr 23, 2002, 10:48:36 PM4/23/02
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"Michael G. Koerner" <mgk...@dataex.com> wrote in message
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>
> I wouldn't mind seeing the top of a totem pole. A 'Big Dipper and
North
> Star' behind it would be a nice added touch.

Ding ding ding! That's be one winner of a design. A little like the
old Canadian dollar commemorative, but the Dipper would be a great
addition.

It's such a good design idea, I'm sure they'll never pick it. Bring on
the SO.

-Bob


TomDeLorey

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Apr 24, 2002, 12:53:04 AM4/24/02
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>Subject: Re: Alaska quarter (was:Michigan quarte)
>From: "Bob Flaminio" b...@flaminio.com
>Date: 4/23/2002 9:48 PM Central Daylight Time
>Message-id: <82px8.41699$CH....@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net>
I think we need a State Outline Board. Anybody want to be an official S.O.B.?

J. Stone

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Apr 24, 2002, 8:23:18 AM4/24/02
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Bob Flaminio wrote:

How about an oil pipeline? Who needs beautiful scenery when you can be
patriotic and feed our gas guzzling SUVs at the same time?


Merlin Dorfman

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Apr 28, 2002, 8:31:37 PM4/28/02
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Larry Craddock (la...@ak.net) wrote:
: A bear would be nice for our quarter but we all know we will be stuck with an outline of the state with the big dipper inside
: Alaska Larry

Wouldn't the Alaska state flag look nice on a coin?
<http://www.50states.com/flag/akflag.htm>. I'm somewhat surprised
that no state flag has appeared on a quarter up to now.

Michael G. Koerner

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Apr 28, 2002, 9:53:45 PM4/28/02
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State flags are expressly forbidden by the Mint's rules.

Merlin Dorfman

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Apr 28, 2002, 10:58:10 PM4/28/02
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Michael G. Koerner (mgk...@dataex.com) wrote:

: Merlin Dorfman wrote:
: >
: > Larry Craddock (la...@ak.net) wrote:
: > : A bear would be nice for our quarter but we all know we will be stuck with an outline of the state with the big dipper inside
: > : Alaska Larry
: >
: > Wouldn't the Alaska state flag look nice on a coin?
: > <http://www.50states.com/flag/akflag.htm>. I'm somewhat surprised
: > that no state flag has appeared on a quarter up to now.

: State flags are expressly forbidden by the Mint's rules.

Well, that explains it :-) Probably just as well for most
state flags, but some, like Alaska and Colorado, would look pretty
good on a coin.

Fred A. Murphy

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May 2, 2002, 12:22:05 PM5/2/02
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On 28-Apr-2002, Merlin Dorfman <dor...@rahul.net> wrote:

> Well, that explains it :-) Probably just as well for most
> state flags, but some, like Alaska and Colorado, would look pretty
> good on a coin.

And Ohio's would be unique.

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