Degree in Numismatics?
Chrysta Wilson
described as having a bachelor's degree and a PhD in Numismatics. Does
anyone know what schools offer such a program?
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~~~Chrysta~~~
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Gregory N. Mirsky
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mark
>Mr. Kagin has one.
>
>http://www.kagins.com/aboutkagins-in.html
If he really wanted to do something for the ANA membership, he'd perpetuate
that program to other Universities. I am inclind to think he's enjoying being
the only guy in the country with the PhD in Numismatics.
mark
"'Don Kagin: the tigger of the ANA"
Byron L. Reed
>I forget where I saw this...maybe in the Numismatist. Someone was
>described as having a bachelor's degree and a PhD in Numismatics. Does
>anyone know what schools offer such a program?
>--
>~~~Chrysta~~~
I looked into exactly that about 20 years ago, Christa. There was one small private
school in New York State that included it as a cross-disciplinary degree. I think it was
directed through the art and history departments, geared more toward museum work.
And, as in Mr. Kagin's case, just about any university will let you configure a
self-directed degree program if daddy has enough bucks to pay for it and enough clout to
get you the choice internships, etc. That's not saying, however, that such degrees are
easy to configure and obtain.
I also believe that there is/are accredited numismatic programs in Germany, probably
elsewhere in Europe, too.
This IMO is one of the major failings of the ANA. They live right next door to a very
nice campus at Colorado College and have every facility they would ever need to establish
a degree program. Instead, they play around with their Summer Seminars only, which could
easily be transferred for real credit.
Ultimately the real problem with establishing such a program is having jobs available for
your students once they graduate. Most coin businesses are sole proprietorships and the
others hire on the old-boy network and are not concerned with professional ethics, meaning
you become merely a salesperson.
BLReed
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Chrysta Wilson
rccR_E_M...@byronreed.com says...
> On Sat, 24 May 2003 21:27:53 -0400, Chrysta Wilson <chryst...@erols.com> wrote:
>
> >I forget where I saw this...maybe in the Numismatist. Someone was
> >described as having a bachelor's degree and a PhD in Numismatics. Does
> >anyone know what schools offer such a program?
> >--
> >~~~Chrysta~~~
>
> I looked into exactly that about 20 years ago, Christa. There was one small private
> school in New York State that included it as a cross-disciplinary degree. I think it was
> directed through the art and history departments, geared more toward museum work.
>
> And, as in Mr. Kagin's case, just about any university will let you configure a
> self-directed degree program if daddy has enough bucks to pay for it and enough clout to
> get you the choice internships, etc. That's not saying, however, that such degrees are
> easy to configure and obtain.
>
> I also believe that there is/are accredited numismatic programs in Germany, probably
> elsewhere in Europe, too.
>
> This IMO is one of the major failings of the ANA. They live right next door to a very
> nice campus at Colorado College and have every facility they would ever need to establish
> a degree program. Instead, they play around with their Summer Seminars only, which could
> easily be transferred for real credit.
>
> Ultimately the real problem with establishing such a program is having jobs available for
> your students once they graduate. Most coin businesses are sole proprietorships and the
> others hire on the old-boy network and are not concerned with professional ethics, meaning
> you become merely a salesperson.
This is the kind of thing that I could see myself taking classes at night
over a long period of years to complete. My google search turned up a few
places to get classical history degrees with concentrations in
numismatics, but nothing really *just* for numismatics in general, unless
I wasn't using the correct search terms.
As for there not being enough jobs for the graduates, I don't think it
matters. There are people with time on their hands that would do it just
to do it...even if they never earned the degree, they would probably take
the classes here and there as their schedule permitted. I think if the
ANA were to work with an area college (not that this is any kind of
possibility, just musing here) that they would do well to offer the
courses at night so that working folk would be able to attend.
GELEWIS
The ANA has a committee called "Educational Subcommittee on Numismatics in
Colleges" that is developing a list of what numismatic courses that are
presently available. This might turn into a list of advance educational degrees
that are available.
The chairman of the committee is Ray Flanigan and he can be reached at
jacqu...@netscape.net.
Gary Lewis
Chrysta Wilson
gel...@aol.com says...
Cool! Thanks Gary! Any idea where such a list might be published when it
is finished? Think it will be on the ANA web page? I will keep an eye
out.
Bruce Hickmott
written:
*SPLORF* The vision of Kagin bouncing around singing the Tigger song is just too
much for me.
Bruce
from West of the Pecos
>From: Chrysta Wilson chryst...@erols.com
>described as having a bachelor's degree and a PhD in Numismatics.
Donald Kagin's doctoral dissertion was on Pioneer Gold, I believe.
Jonathan Kern has a Bachelor's in Numismatics. Well known as an ancients guy,
he does quite a bit of business in American rarities also.
Wayne Sayles is not alone in meeting his interest in numismatics with degrees
in History and Art History.
Subject: Re: Degree in Numismatics?
From: prg...@aol.combustion (mark)
Date: 5/24/2003 7:54 PM Mountain Daylight Time
>http://www.kagins.com/aboutkagins-in.html
If he really wanted to do something for the ANA membership, he'd perpetuate
that program to other Universities.
It is true that in the usual course of academic events, people with doctorates
attract and create others to follow them: graduate students, undergrads, etc.
In mature subjects such as physics and astronomy, post-doctoral grant work is
common. So, yes, it would seem required that among the schools that
participated in the granting of the doctorate (post-graduate studies at
Northwestern, Drake University, John Hopkins University, the Union Graduate
School) one of them would be interested in the money to be earned (which is
what it is all about) in establishing a doctoral program and/or graduate study
and/or undergraduate major in numismatics. (Johns Hopkins was Breen's alma
mater.)
HOWEVER...
Would you expect one also in Philatelics?
You see, to me, numismatics is just something that would be offered in a
BUSINESS SCHOOL curriculum: the design and use of money. Eurodollars or euros
or dollars, special drawing rights or a bank draft, money's forms and
substances are broad and varied. I know that people here think in term of
Capital-H History, but that's an easy answer. To me, numismatics goes along
with accounting and banking and business. Franchises that create their own
coupons don't think twice about what they have done -- but to do that without
thinking is like maintaining single entry checkbook ledger accounting.
In this light, numismatics and philatelics are part of the same study.
"Stamps" would include corporate seals, notary seals, validations, even public
key encryption and PGP signatures. The historical "we don't need to pay our
tax because we already paid it" stamp of the government postal services would
be a subset of that.
Michael
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GELEWIS
published when it is finished? "
I saw a preliminary list at the Charlotte Convention Committee meeting as to
what courses that are presently known. I am sure that once it is finalized it
will be published.
If I am elected as the next ANA President this committee will continue to exit.
Gary
DONDI3
(GELEWIS) writes:
>
>If I am elected as the next ANA President this committee will continue to
>exit.
>
>Gary
Ooops?
dondi3
DONDI enterprises. BUY, SELL, TRADE. RARE COINS & PRECIOUS METALS
Member COINNET, CSNS, ANA, INA, MOON, ILNA.
mark
>
>*SPLORF* The vision of Kagin bouncing around singing the Tigger song is just
>too
>much for me.
>
Well, Kagin is the only one.
--
mark
Aram H. Haroutunian
John536693
Money...
I would also agree that numismatics is history...and history has been
illustrated very well through coinage...
Johns Hopkins was also the home of the Garrett Collection...perfect setting for
a numismatic degree, though it's a tough school to get into...
JSTONE9352
>>too
>>much for me.
>>
>
>Well, Kagin is the only one.
>
I hear that he does lectures dressed up as "Americas oldest pioneer" or
something like that. Dressing up in a
Tigger outfit might not be that big a stretch
for him (smile face here).
jeff
and Alain Baron of Geneva , Switzerland
who also have degrees in numismatics.
jeff
MACREAU
Who confers PhDs to people?. Several men who are PhDs themselves..now if Kagin
is the only PhD in numismatics who gave him that title if there are no other
Phds in Numismatics? get my drift?????
from West of the Pecos
> I spoke in a class at Emory University last semester called the History of
I spoke at Ashland College in Ohio several years ago. They have a bequethed
numismatic collection and directors to manage it. I suspect that many such
collections exist, if only we could find them. Ashland would be an easier
"sell" than Johns Hopkins.
The opportunity is there.
It is typical -- human nature perhaps, but RCC for sure -- for people to demand
that others do for them what they are not willing to do for themselves. These
money-grubbing coin doctors do not think of Karl Marx when they say, "Kagin is
able, and I have a need."
Michael
Anarcho-capitalist
mark
>It is typical -- human nature perhaps, but RCC for sure -- for people to
>demand
>that others do for them what they are not willing to do for themselves.
>These
>money-grubbing coin doctors do not think of Karl Marx when they say, "Kagin
>is
>able, and I have a need."
Kagin was able because Kagin was given a unique opportunity, not of his own
making.
Kagin is now running for an ANA governorship. If Kagin was as sincere as he
would have us to believe, then Kagin would be looking to perpetuate that which
he as attained, rather than to hold it over everyone else's head.
--
mark
Byron L. Reed
PHDs from other, yet related, fields one would assume. People who have reached that level
of academic achievement generally have the ability to ascertain whether others are at
their own level, even if from another discipline.
Just of the top of my head, here are a few of the basic disciplines that would feed into
numismatics:
Economics
History
Geography
Sociology
PoliSci
Chemistry/Metalurgy
Art History
Religion
Business
Try getting PHDs from these departments to agree on anything.
James McCown
But that also applies to other fields.
How did the first PhDs in English, Chemistry, and Economics get their
degrees, if there were no one in their fields with PhDs to serve on
their dissertation committees?
You know something, you just proved that THERE ARE NO PhDs IN ANY
FIELD! NOT ANYWHERE!
COOL!
Bruce Greenblatt
degree, with subject matter relating to numismatics (actually paper
money of the War of 1812 era). Google points me to several history
theses related to coinage, minting, paper currency, etc. This is
certainly not a negative reflection on Dr. Kagin. I'm sure that he
worked very hard for his doctorate, and is well deserving of recognition.