Would you buy a coin from this unethical dealer?
No User
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250314651745
Same coin after dealer broke it out of the slab and polished it
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190267223389
Lorrie S.
"No User" <nobida...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Nick Knight
This is getting pretty boring. Don't you have anything better to do than
chase Frank around?
First, what evidence do you have that this is the same coin? The original
images are pretty small, and the coin doesn't seem to have much detail.
Frank's pictures are large and clear.
The second coin does seem to have a bit more detail. I've seen polished
coins that looked a whole lot worse. Perhaps you meant dipped? Whatever
the case, I see no proof that these are the same coin.
Finally, and probably the most interesting point ... the uncertified coin
sold for $95 less than the one in the holder. So, even if somehow you can
convince me that these 2 coins are the same, where's the foul? (Well, I see
one, but it's not where you're pointing).
Nick
Frank Provasek
> In <a_3Xk.9676$ZP4.2...@nlpi067.nbdc.sbc.com>, on 11/25/2008
Actually, when I bought the nice original coin in the SEGS slab, I put
the lightly cleaned coin, which I have had for years,
up for sale. After ebay fees, cost me about $125 to upgrade.
RWF
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>Actually, when I bought the nice original coin in the SEGS slab, I put
>the lightly cleaned coin, which I have had for years, up for sale.
>After ebay fees, cost me about $125 to upgrade.
Frank, why won't you address the issue of exactly why eBay stripped you
of your "Power Seller" status?
What are you trying to hide?
Bruce Farley
from him, ignore him! It really is that easy.
RWF
"Bruce Farley" <afakea...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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> How cares? That is between a seller and eBay. If you do not want to
> buy from him, ignore him! It really is that easy.
Frank used to trumpet the fact that he was a "Power Seller" in his
posts.
Now eBay has stripped him of his "Power Seller" status.
Since Frank made it an issue in his posts, the public has a right to
know what happened.
What is Frank trying to hide?
Why does he constantly refuse to confront this grave issue?
His continued silence must make anyone suspicious.
Inquiring minds want to know!
gogu
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> How cares? That is between a seller and eBay. If you do not want to buy
> from him, ignore him! It really is that easy.
That's true but not enough for a troll and a stalker like RWF...
Aladdin Sane
"RWF" <R...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:ggkfp1$b77$1...@news.motzarella.org...> opened his maw and spewed forth
the same tired bull that he has spewed time and again. He is a leach upon
the soul. Now he is a leach I no longer download.
PS, I'm an inquiring mind and I don't give a shit.
look@worldnet.att.net don't look
"RWF" <R...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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>
AND....? What's your beef with the guy?If you won't say,then go away.
RWF
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My "beef" is that he won't explain why eBay stripped him of his "Power
Seller" status.
Plus he's an annoying asshole, kinda like you!
frankjg
look@worldnet.att.net don't look
"RWF" <R...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
Why is it your business if he keeps his Power Seller status. Isn't Feedback
good enough for you??There's many reasons to "lose" or give up PS status.
Did you count how many items he sold in the last few months?I didn't think
so.
RWF
ANd why is it your business if I want to determine why Provasek was
stripped of his "Power Seller" status?
Can you name one good reason anyone would willingly give up being a
Power Seller?
Didn't think so.
coinsusa
> >the lightly cleaned coin, which I have had for years, up for sale.
> >After ebay fees, cost me about $125 to upgrade.
>
> Frank, why won't you address the issue of exactly why eBay stripped you
> of your "Power Seller" status?
> What are you trying to hide?
I don't see where Mr Provasek has any obligation to tell you
anything.
As far as your charge of ethics, I noticed that the coin for sale was
described as being a "cleaned" coin. That gives Mr Provasek points for
honesty.
Do you have "power seller" status? If not, pray tell why not? Did
you get stripped or were you simply bared from the beginning?
Why are you posting under MULTIPLE identities? Why are you posting
off topic political messages here? What exactly is your real issue
with Mr Provasek?
What are YOU trying to hide?
RWF
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>> >Actually, when I bought the nice original coin in the SEGS slab, I
>> >put
>> >the lightly cleaned coin, which I have had for years, up for sale.
>> >After ebay fees, cost me about $125 to upgrade.
>>
>> Frank, why won't you address the issue of exactly why eBay stripped
>> you
>> of your "Power Seller" status?
>> What are you trying to hide?
>
> I don't see where Mr Provasek has any obligation to tell you
> anything.
Provasek has an obligation to tell the coin collecting public exactly
what he did (or didn't do) to cause eBay to strip him of the Power
Seller status he used to brag about here in this NG.
> As far as your charge of ethics, I noticed that the coin for sale was
> described as being a "cleaned" coin. That gives Mr Provasek points for
> honesty.
Perhaps because a blind man could have spotted the coin as being
cleaned. No points for Fwankie there.
> Do you have "power seller" status? If not, pray tell why not? Did
> you get stripped or were you simply bared from the beginning?
I don't sell on eBay frequently enough to qualify, genius.
> Why are you posting under MULTIPLE identities? Why are you posting
> off topic political messages here? What exactly is your real issue
> with Mr Provasek?
I'm not posting political messages here nor am I posting under multiple
IDs.
In fact, I suspect you are one of Provasek's sock puppets.
Peter
multiple IDs."
This is an interesting claim. For some reason I tend to think I'm
hearing the same person when I read posts by RF, RWF and Voltronicus.
Taken together that set of participants does indeed seem to have quite
a lot to say about politics. Perhaps I'm jumping to a conclusion ...
Scott Stevenson
wrote:
It only seems like you were jumping to a conclusion because you
didn't know that you were right. It's the same sad person.
take care,
Scott
coinsusa
> > you get stripped or were you simply bared from the beginning?
>
> I don't sell on eBay frequently enough to qualify, genius.
>
> > Why are you posting under MULTIPLE identities? Why are you posting
> > off topic political messages here? What exactly is your real issue
> > with Mr Provasek?
>
> I'm not posting political messages here nor am I posting under multiple
> IDs.
> In fact, I suspect you are one of Provasek's sock puppets.
Ok, then if I am a "sock puppet" I'm telling you that I don't have
power seller status for the same reason as you. I don't sell enough at
this time. So now you can go away.
Or I'm not a sock puppet, in which case you are wrong once again, and
should go away.
Either way you want it to be is fine with me, because either way.....
you lose.
coinsusa
I've spotted a couple more. Look at the post that started this
thread.
oly
Whoever made the first post, they are correct that the buyer of the
first coin and the seller in the second instance are the same person.
Feedbacks match up.
I would suggest that these two auctions be submitted to all numismatic
organizations that Frank belongs to along with the suggestion that he
be sanctioned.
oly
oly
And it is vastly amusing that there seems to be a 25% principal loss
to Frank (if the coin actually sold at all).
oly
tony cooper
What makes you assume it is the same coin? The photograph in the
original auction is so lacking in detail that you can't determine that
this is the same coin.
Frank has posted that he bought a coin that was better than a coin
that he owned, and later sold the lesser coin. That sounds entirely
reasonable to me.
--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida
oly
>
> - Show quoted text -
That would be a reasonable action for many collectors, yes. But I'm
hardly certain that the second coin was the lessor of the two, and
indeed the first coin was in a third world slab. And IMHO, it would
be typical of a small-timey dealer like Frank to work on the first
coin once he obtained it. It is much too dark for the average U.S.
coin collector. The temptation to work on it would be overwhelming.
oly
coinsusa
> On Nov 27, 6:56 pm, coinsusa <vincesmith...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Nov 27, 2:35 pm, Peter <w2...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > "I'm not posting political messages here nor am I posting under
> > > multiple IDs."
>
> > > This is an interesting claim. For some reason I tend to think I'm
> > > hearing the same person when I read posts by RF, RWF and Voltronicus.
> > > Taken together that set of participants does indeed seem to have quite
> > > a lot to say about politics. Perhaps I'm jumping to a conclusion ...
>
> > I've spotted a couple more. Look at the post that started this
> > thread.
>
> Whoever made the first post, they are correct that the buyer of the
> first coin and the seller in the second instance are the same person.
> Feedbacks match up.
Not only does the feedbacks match up, Mr Provasek admitted that he was
connected to both in another message in this thread.
>
> I would suggest that these two auctions be submitted to all numismatic
> organizations that Frank belongs to along with the suggestion that he
> be sanctioned.
On what grounds?
For buying a coin?
For selling a cleaned coin that was described as a cleaned coin? No,
I don't see how that is a problem.
For alledgedly cleaning a coin? No, that's not illegal or unethical
either. One major coin grading company offers what they call a
"conservation service" ie. cleaning service.
So, Tell me now. what is it that you think is actually wrong with the
two transactions.. other than you don't like Frank.
Frank Provasek
>
> I would suggest that these two auctions be submitted to all numismatic
> organizations that Frank belongs to along with the suggestion that he
> be sanctioned.
>
> oly
Sanctioned for what? Upgrading a coin?
--
RARE COIN AUCTIONS NO RESERVES www.frankcoins.com
http://myworld.ebay.com/frankcoins Texas Auction License
11259, Board member of Texas Coin Dealers Association,
Member TNA, ANA, PCGS, NGC - Full Time Since 1991
oly
> On Nov 28, 9:16 am, oly <oly2...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > I would suggest that these two auctions be submitted to all numismatic
> > organizations that Frank belongs to along with the suggestion that he
> > be sanctioned.
>
> > oly
>
> Sanctioned for what? Upgrading a coin?
>
> --
> 11259, Board member of Texas Coin Dealers Association,
> Member TNA, ANA, PCGS, NGC - Full Time Since 1991
You should be sanctioned for leaving a paper trail of your failed coin
cleaning and flip, of course!!! 99% of the dealers who "work on"
coins aren't stupid enough to leave a paper trail.
oly
RWF
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>You should be sanctioned for leaving a paper trail of your failed coin
>cleaning and flip, of course!!! 99% of the dealers who "work on" coins
>aren't stupid enough to leave a paper trail.
Perhaps that is why Fwankie is no longer a "Power Seller".
C'mon Fwankie, tell us why eBay stripped you of your "Power Seller"
status.
What are you trying to hide?
BTW: the DVD sets you're selling for $10 are available at Walmart for 5
bucks!
oly
> "oly" <oly2...@aol.com> wrote in message
Indeed, leaving a "paper trail" is the ultimate sin for a conniving
scheming small-timey coin dealer, because it might force one or more
of the numismatic membership organizations to actually take some kind
of action. They just absolutely hate that. OTOH, ebay metes out its
punsihments with relish.
oly
PC
> x-no-archive: yes"oly" <oly2...@aol.com> wrote in message
>
> news:aa7b82f3-b14d-4533...@j11g2000yqg.googlegroups.com...
>
> >Indeed, leaving a "paper trail" is the ultimate sin for a conniving
> >scheming small-timey coin dealer, because it might force one or more
> >of the numismatic membership organizations to actually take some kind
> >of action. They just absolutely hate that. OTOH, ebay metes out its
> >punsihments with relish.
> >oly
>
> often than not, they
> wish they had left it alone (smile). If Frank Coins has cleaned this item,
> seems like the $95 loss
> is just punishment. The buyer seems not harmed since the cleaning was
> disclosed. On the other
> hand, there are thousands of 1893-P dollars on the market, and Frank Coins
> has stated that they
> are NOT the same coin. Since he has 100% positive feedback on ebay and is
> well known in the
> dealer community, why is his word not accepted as fact? I see no reason
> to doubt him since there
> is no clear evidence to the contrary. It seems that a few people have an
> irrational dislike for him,
> and are deliberately trying to harm his reputation. I have received my share
> of criticism over the
> years, but it's always been disputes from past customers. It seems that
> Frank Coin's critics have
> not even bought anything from him, so I don't see the rationale for these
> comments.
Archived for the future.
coinsusa
> > > I would suggest that these two auctions be submitted to all numismatic
> > > organizations that Frank belongs to along with the suggestion that he
> > > be sanctioned.
>
> > > oly
>
> > Sanctioned for what? Upgrading a coin?
>
>
> You should be sanctioned for leaving a paper trail of your failed coin
> cleaning and flip, of course!!! 99% of the dealers who "work on"
> coins aren't stupid enough to leave a paper trail.
>
> oly- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Since you didn't reply to my message, can I assume that you could not
refute my position and I win my argument by default?
coinsusa
> "oly" <oly2...@aol.com> wrote in message
>
> news:94bba737-02f7-4e8d...@k36g2000yqe.googlegroups.com...
>
> >You should be sanctioned for leaving a paper trail of your failed coin
> >cleaning and flip, of course!!! 99% of the dealers who "work on" coins
> >aren't stupid enough to leave a paper trail.
>
> C'mon Frank, tell us why eBay stripped you of your "Power Seller"
> status.
> What are you trying to hide?
I doubt that he is seeing you messages. I believe you are in his
killfile, or should be if not.
note.boy
Billy
"Frank Provasek" <fr...@frankcoins.com> wrote in message
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Jon Purkey
The second coin was cleaned and that may be reason enough alone to
consider the first coin the better of the two. I do not know if the
first coin is truly MS-60, but it does have a more natural look of a
115 year old coin. It is the one I would choose.
oly
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We're not talking about a gift to a lurker here - we are (marginally)
talking about what real U.S. coin collectors buy. When it comes to
Morgan dollars, "blast white" is what sells. Frank no doubt knows
that and obviously tried to take a dingy coin in a third world slab
and make it more marketable. And RF caught Frank with his shorts
down. And the real beauty is that Frank left an obvious paper trail.
And a guffaw goes up from the informed crowd!!!
May I also add that "Full-time [dealer] since 1991" can easily mean
"Unemployable, anywhere, at any price, for decades"!!!
oly
coinsusa
> We're not talking about a gift to a lurker here - we are (marginally)
> talking about what real U.S. coin collectors buy. When it comes to
> Morgan dollars, "blast white" is what sells. Frank no doubt knows
> that and obviously tried to take a dingy coin in a third world slab
> and make it more marketable.
No, still no proof that it is the same coin.
> And RF caught Frank with his shorts
> down.
I haven't seen any wrong doing in either of the auctions. There is
nothing wrong with selling a cleaned coin that is described as a
cleaned coin.
>And the real beauty is that Frank left an obvious paper trail.
I don't see any paper trail. Looks like two different coins from here.
Why don't you tell me what your real issue with Frank is.
DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO HIDE?
oly
Issue? That's obvious. I'm a coin collector who objects to Frank as
he is one of the two coin pimps who hang out on this street corner
frequently.
oly
Frank Provasek
>
> We're not talking about a gift to a lurker here - we are (marginally)
> talking about what real U.S. coin collectors buy. When it comes to
> Morgan dollars, "blast white" is what sells. Frank no doubt knows
> that and obviously tried to take a dingy coin in a third world slab
> and make it more marketable. And RF caught Frank with his shorts
> down. And the real beauty is that Frank left an obvious paper trail.
> And a guffaw goes up from the informed crowd!!!
>
> May I also add that "Full-time [dealer] since 1991" can easily mean
> "Unemployable, anywhere, at any price, for decades"!!!
>
Except it's not the same coin. And I worked as manager of a major
coin
shop in Texas 6 days a week for 10 years. I left when I realized that
my work was
supporting $1000 a month electric bills, rent and taxes on a 5100 ft²
building which the owning
family was charging us $3000 a month rent, a security guard, $500 a
month ads in
the Yellow Pages, and two employees. I work a lot less and live
better working for myself.
in the Yellow Pages, and two full time employees.