Your First Time (on topic :) and long
Steven Preston
mintage, surviving population, price, etc. Given that we tend to get
caught up in these numbers, especially as we become more "advanced"
(whatever that means), I thought it would be interesting to hear about
the first time you were ever *impressed* by a coin. It could be because
it was so visually impressive, it was the "key" to a set you were
working on, or even because it was just so darn expensive. FWIW, here's
my "first time":
I had been collecting for about two months and had 3 coins in my
"collection", all Morgan dollars, common dates grading MS-63+. The sum
of my numismatic knowledge was whatever I remembered from reading the
Redbook the one and a half times I had made it through it. I attended a
local show hoping to find a Morgan or two to add to my collection since
I had no interest in any other type of coin at the time (oh, to have it
so simple again :)
As I looked through the bourse (not knowing it was actually called that
of course) I came across a case of large cents. I knew that this is what
the "penny" used to be like a long time ago but that was about it (I
vaguely knew of 2 and 3 cent pieces but much like most people know of
photosynthesis- they've heard of it, they know it's important, but have
no idea how it actually works :) In one corner was a 1795 plain edge
cent in VF (I had no idea whatsoever about grading anything other than
Morgans at the time and I was probably delusional about my ability to
grade even those but "VF" was on the holder). Although the price ($475)
was astronomical to me, I just couldn't get over how old that coin was
and that it was around before George Washington died. I had no idea of
what the coin was worth, nor it's mintage, and certainly not that it's a
"common" coin as far as early large cents go- only that it was the most
amazing coin I had ever seen. That was the first time I ever put
coins+history together in my mind though thankfully not the last. While
I feel a bit sheepish when I think back to how little I knew, it makes
me appreciate how much enrichment I have gotten from this hobby over the
past 6+ years. At least once a week I find myself benefitting from being
a "numismatist" (the quotes are so it doesn't sound so horribly
pretentious) whether it's a more complete understanding of some
historical topic not directly related to numismatics or a deeper
appreciation of a piece of art, sculpture in particular. And while my
level of knowledge has improved some since then, one of the ice things
about this hobby is that it can be appreciated by novice and expert
alike- you don't have to get it to "get it" and the more you learn, the
more you appreciate the variety of numismatics (which also seems to lead
to the more you spend but what can ya do? :)
-Steve, whose 1795 large cent (in G-4) was absolutely held
by Washington until someone proves different :-P
Alan & Erin Williams
Neat topic, Steve!
For me, it was the 1965 Lincoln Cent. The first one I got in change
really excited me because I liked the way the date looked. I was
excited because it was the first 'change' in a series I had ever seen
myself. Later, when I learned that there would be no more mintmarks
issued, I was very upset and nearly gave up on coin collecting.
Alan
'was seven'
Ed E.
by Washington until someone proves different :-P >>
Hi Steve,
This is a toughie for those of us that are so easily impressed...and on a daily
basis.
My very first time to be *impressed* was as a kid, when I found an AU 1939-D
nickel searching through rolls.
Recently I was again *impressed* when I acquired my first 1700's coin on Ebay,
and I think I only paid $5.50 for it! It is a 1798 Large Cent, weak date, but
nice details and it is counterstamped. Like you, I'm positive it was held by
Washington.
-Ed, whose 1798 Large Cent counterstamp is W.H.T. and we all know that
stands for Washington Held This!
Jerry Dennis
Volume 1 Whitman folder (I'm back to actively collecting them, again) in the
early 60s.
A friend of mine had also collected them for a short time and, then, decided to
get rid of them. He had a 1938-D and a 1938S (the only ones I needed in my
collection). We had a Blue Book and looked them up. I bought both of them for
a quarter. It doesn't seem like much now, but back then 25 cents bought five
packs of Topps baseball cards with the bubblegum thrown in (sure wish I had all
those cards, now). :-)
Jerry
Easily impressed
"Steve P." asks, in part:
>Coin collecting often comes down to numbers- the grade of a given coin,
>mintage, surviving population, price, etc. Given that we tend to get
>caught up in these numbers, especially as we become more "advanced"
>(whatever that means), I thought it would be interesting to hear about
>the first time you were ever *impressed* by a coin. It could be because
>it was so visually impressive, it was the "key" to a set you were
>working on, or even because it was just so darn expensive.
<<remainder snipped>>
Bruce Hickmott
have written:
My first impression was my Grandfather slowly and dramatically bringing out HIS
coins for the first time. I was 8 and had just finished reading a 1966 redbook
cover to cover. That convinced him I was worthy. The first thing he showed me
was a chain cent with the grade 'Nearly New" written on the box (All his coins
were in little 2x2 boxes, with a kind of a prop on one edge to display them in
the open box). I still have that coin (S-1), it grades (IMO) EAC VF35 but
would slab higher. That amazed me. Still does. I asked him if he pulled it out
of circulation when he was a kid and he glared at me. Twenty years later, I
understand why he glared at me. :-)
Bruce
John Stone
Years ago I was rummaging around a spare room at my grandfather's farm
and came upon a box which I opened and inside was a "National Coin
Album", I proceeded to open it and the pages were filled with all kinds
of neat coins put in rather haphazardly, at least 100 Indian cents,
an 1814/3 Bust half dollar, 2 cent, 3 cent pieces, about 1/2 dozen
large cents, Canadian, Chinese, European coins, a Spanish coin from
1781. 1853 half dollar, 1876 half dollar etc. 4 pages worth of coins
some had more than 1 coin per slot. It made a great impression on me.
I was probably around 14 years old at the time. My grandfather acquired
the coins from someone's estate connected with his moving and storage
business, my grandmother thought that coin collecting would make
a good hobby for him so she bought him the album, he stuck the coins
in there, put the album back in the box and did nothing else with it.
My grandmother recalled "well, so much for that hobby...". The box
was unopened for probably 25 years before I found it. That was the
spark that got me going in coin collecting, my grandfather let me
have the coins and album since he had no real interest in it. Before
this time I had never given coins any thought except as something
to spend. I proceeded down the familiar road of the Redbook, Whitman
folders, Coin World subscription etc. Its been a fun ride.
Reid Goldsborough
(Steven Preston) wrote:
>Coin collecting often comes down to numbers- the grade of a given coin,
With me, it was being reimpressed after being away from coin
collecting for 30 years. I collected actively as a kid, subscribing to
Coins and COINage, going to coin stores and even in-person auctions.
But I moved away from it at age 15. Thirty years later, vacationing
with my family, I found myself inside the Buffalo Museum of America in
Scottsdale, Arizona. Inexpensive, low-grade Buffalo nickels and Indian
Head cents were piled on two dishes inside a display case. I stared
and stared, transfixed. I wound up buying one of each, for $1 and
$1.50. I should have stopped there. <g> But, returning home, I kept on
buying.
--
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The Saint: http://www.netaxs.com/~reidgold/saint
Deks, Fake and Real: http://mywebpages.comcast.net/reidgold/deks
Three Fourees: http://mywebpages.comcast.net/reidgold/fourees
Ric Burney
Steven Preston wrote:
I guess I was about 6 or 7 years old and was on vacation with my parents.
We had car trouble entering the west side of Oklahoma and had to spend the
night in Erick (sp?). Anyway the next morning as the car was being
repaired, we ate breakfast at the little restaurant at the motel. In the
breezeway, there were several coin operated machines with all sorts of toys,
trinkets and junk in plastic bubbles in them, but one caught my eye.
Inside the machine was a green piece of cardboard to which someone had glued
indian cents, buffalos, mercuries, etc. (all commons grading no more than
good).
I was stunned. I stuck in a quarter and the first coin out was a 1901
indian grading VF. A few more 'turns' and I had a few more indians, early
wheats, a few buffalos and even a standing lib. (no date).
Ever since then, I became a nut for coins with the condition only getting
worse with age.
--
Ric Burney
A.N.A. R-174418
T.N.A. R-6125
http://www.numist.com
UsterDay72
post about pulling coins out of circulation for the first time in 22 years,
many may have stopped before the following tidbit.
When I was 4 years old, my mother saved dimes, mostly Mercury Dimes, and
periodically rolled them and took them to the bank. At that age, I once
swallowed a Merc as I awoke from a nap after having spilled the contents of my
piggy bank on to my bed. I woke up with something in my mouth and half asleep,
I swallowed it...painful though it was and I can still remember it vividly 53
years later!
My mother was instructed by the Doctor to feed me a couple pieces of bread
and watch for the dime to pass (and I know you can guess what that job
entailed!)
I looked at that Mercury dime (after she cleaned it!) and saw it for the
first time really. So, Mercury dimes may not be in my blood, but they did pass
through my digestive track and I love 'em still! I think this was my first
real awakening to coins.
Later, like 8th grade or so, my Dad turned over a pouch of old coins to me.
There were losts of Indian head cents and some steely Lincolns and even a
couple of Morgans (those I had been given by the tooth fairy and then gave back
to my folks to put in the bank for me). For quite a while in my youth, I
thought the Lady Liberty on both the Morgan and Peace Dollars was a likeness of
the tooth fairly herself! <grin>
Getting a bit long here, sorry!
Best wishes, Pete
Phil DeMayo
"saving" coins (my idea of collecting at that time) because I was thoroughly
impressed with the wide variety of coins that could be obtained from
circulation.
Franklins were the half dollar of the era but Walking Liberty halves were quite
common in change. Also relatively common were Standing Liberty quarters,
Mercury dimes and Buffalo nickels. Not as common....but still found.....were
Indian Head cents, Liberty nickels and the occasional Barber (all
denominations).
I also found it neat to be able to go to a bank and get a Peace dollar or
Morgan dollar.....for a dollar.
++++++++++
Phil DeMayo
When bidding online always sit on your helmet
Just say NO to counterfeits
KenJ
my bed while he was recovering and I got the sofa in the living room. He
always had a tin box with his most valued possessions in it; a $300.00 life
insurance policy, car insurance papers, a valentine from my mother when she
was 5, a store bought birthday card from his wife, a few other "valuable"
items.
One night he was sitting on my bed and showing me some of his treasures with
his twisted and worthless hand and he pulled out a 1865 2 cent piece and
gave it to me as "rent" for my bed. I attempted to refuse but he insisted.
( I didn't refuse too hard). I still have that coin with the 2 x 2 I got at
a coin shop (1) and a child's writing on the 2 x 2. The coin shop was the
Coin Pagoda at Yorktown who sold me 1 2x3 and stapled it for me.
The next year an elderly neighbor started showing me coins and let me read
his Red Book. I got my own for Christmas, I still have it. A few years later
the Coin Pagoda closed down, I think it was because the guys in the shop
spent too much time talking to a stupid kid with too little money to spend
and not enough time selling coins to stupid people with a lot of money to
spend.
This tread caused me to pull out that 2x2 and take a look at it. That 1865
grades a solid Good, the most expensive coin in my collection because it is
priceless to me.
"Steven Preston" <seated...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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Coin Saver
... nah, maybe not.
At least not now ...
8-\
Coin Saver
Ric Burney
Coin Saver wrote:
Ah, a little shy about exposing yourself in public? ;-)
JOPN
collecting Lincoln's in the standard blue folders. I had no family influence to
do so - but nevertheless enjoyed the minutia of rummaging through all the
change that passed before my eyes. Wheats were still very available as was the
exciting (but relatively common in 1966-7) silver find. I must say my first
steel cent find was enlightening but by then I grew more intrigued by the
silver. At one point I found a 1930's silver quarter and thought I was rich.
Convinced of my dedication my parents took me to the not so local coin shop.
The only one around, even though I grew up in Brooklyn. My prudent parents, a
trait I respect to this day, allowed me to spend my savings from my allowance.
Low and behold on the counter were two small baskets of Indian head cents and
Buffalo nickels. Besides the occassional well worn merc I ran across - these
were the first coins that were not present mintage that I had held with my own
hands. Feelings of historic pride abound in me. I purchased one of each and to
this day, despite a 30-35 year hiatus in collecting, still treasure the
association of beautiful numismatic art and our nations history.
Great thread - brought back alot of memories, John N
Bill Krummel
Steven Preston <seated...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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I guess I am impressed most by mintage numbers. If I have a 2000-P sac,
MS67, I am not very impressed, thinking with a mintage of a billion there
has got to be a decent number of 67s in collector's hands. I vaguely
recall some things from my earliest collecting days, mid to late 50s. I
recall my mercury dime book open, looking at a mintage figure of 1.8 million
and thinking, 'wow, if everyone wanted one of those, only one in a hundred
Americans could have one'.
I am still impressed with low mintages. I like Boone commemorative halfs,
and I own several, but I want the 1935-D & -S, with the reverse of 1934.
Heck, I want 2,000 each of them. Bill
Fred A. Murphy
On 9-Oct-2002, Ric Burney <num...@hotnospammail.com> wrote:
> Anyway the next morning as the car was being
> repaired, we ate breakfast at the little restaurant at the motel. In the
> breezeway, there were several coin operated machines with all sorts of
> toys, trinkets and junk in plastic bubbles in them, but one caught my eye.
> Inside the machine was a green piece of cardboard to which someone had
> glued indian cents, buffalos, mercuries, etc. (all commons grading no more
> than
> good).
Back in the seventies, I bought eight of those machines, quarter vends with
clear cases. Did the same thing, if not as high a condition. For a
quarter, you got anything from four different 1x2" miniature bills to a
dated buffalo, Mercury dime, three wheat cents with either three S mint or a
steelie, S and BU, cheapie foreign note or an Indian cent.
There were also one or two little plastic cars per hundred loads (375 loads
to the fill), with different color cars good for a silver certificate, Red
Seal $2 or Morgan dollar.
They were real popular at flea markets and coin shows, especially at malls.
Went through $150 at one show, as I recall.
Sure was a PITA filling those little capsules, especially with the foreign
notes.
--
Moronization: a form of acculturation where people are encouraged to
acquaint themselves with the benefits of a technology without any
understanding of the engineering (or lack thereof.)
For example: Any Microsoft technology.
Dave Parrish
In one corner was a 1795 plain edge
> cent in VF (I had no idea whatsoever about grading anything other than
> Morgans at the time and I was probably delusional about my ability to
> grade even those but "VF" was on the holder). Although the price ($475)
>
> -Steve, whose 1795 large cent (in G-4) was absolutely held
> by Washington until someone proves different :-P
This got me thinking back to when I started collecting, probably
before I was even in school yet. I had saved wheat cents, and stuff
from change, but I liked any cents and pretty much saved all of
them(when my brother didn't pilfer them to buy candy anyway) However
the coin that really made the impression on me, and hooked me to
collecting coins was one I found at the California State Fair in 1976,
there was someone there selling older coins from a box, and I pulled
out the 1822 large cent, it was the earliest in there. I remember
paying something like $4 for it, it was a lot of money for me then.
The rest of the State Fair is now a blur to me, all I can remember
from that day was getting that large cent and staring at it at every
opportunity. While the other kids were on rides and etc. I was there
with my parents staring in amazement of such an old coin, and being in
awe of personally owning it.
I still have this coin in my collection, though I have many nicer
coins now,( it is only a VG) it still is special.
Dave P. - Whose 1794 large cent in VF was definately held not only by
George Washington, but John Adams, and Thomas Jefferson for good
measure.
Stujoe
Steven Preston spoke thusly...
> Coin collecting often comes down to numbers- the grade of a given coin,
> mintage, surviving population, price, etc. Given that we tend to get
> caught up in these numbers, especially as we become more "advanced"
> (whatever that means), I thought it would be interesting to hear about
> the first time you were ever *impressed* by a coin. It could be because
> it was so visually impressive, it was the "key" to a set you were
> working on, or even because it was just so darn expensive.
Not only can I tell you the first time I was really impressed by a
coin, I can show you the coin.
I have related my cheeseburger, fries and chocolate shake
introduction to coins as a child with my Grandpa on a number of
occasions. And also how, after he passed away, I was given his boxed
up collection and how that led to my own collecting.
As a teenager, I would occasionally look through those coins and I
would always go back to one in particular; an 1886-O Morgan. He had a
couple of other Morgans that were in better condition but this is the
one that impressed me.
It is not a beauty by any stretch of the imagination. In fact, it is
a low grade, body bagger to almost everyone else, I am sure. However,
whenever I opened that box over the years, I went to this coin. Why?
Because it was old, because it was big, and because it was so
obviously used. History, even then. The odds are that he picked it
from change or from a bank as I don't know of him ever buying a coin
in his life.
I have certainly been impressed by other coins since I entered the
hobby...the first 1909-S VDB that I ever saw in person; my first
ancient; some beautiful buffalos, and on and on but this is the one
that impressed me first.
http://www.thestujoecollection.com/otherpic/impressed.jpg
I guess I am still impressed by old, worn coins as that is what makes
up much of my collection. :-)
--
Stu Miller
ICQ:159336182 AIM:stujoe Yahoo:stujoe
Take The Coin Grading Challenge at:
http://www.TheStujoeCollection.com/grade/grade.htm
P.Nichols
sometimes inadvertently.
My first exposure to collecting coins was the Morgans and Peace
dollars my grandparents used to give me for birthdays and Christmas.
If only I still had all those! But most of them I spent within a few
weeks or months after getting them, and the rest I spent later in my
teen years when I needed a new widget or whatchamacallit that my
parents wouldn't buy me...
I still have only one of them, it's an old worn Morgan, which I
ignorantly cleaned at one point and which now is very dark and
abraded, but still it's the ONE coin in my collection that I will
never sell.
Also, my dad used to always carry a big Irish penny in his pocket, and
I admired it so much, he gave me one, which I then began carrying
around in my pocket. I lost it after a few years, but since then I've
always carried an old coin of one sort or another around...
Wheeler
--
Wheeler
Artificial Intelligence is no match for natural stupidity!
PS
liquidate my personal coin collection that I have been accumulating for over
35 years. This collection was derived from my employment at a coin shop, the
receipt of several estates from family and close friends and purchases over
the course of many, many years. Unfortunately, I did not sort many of the
estates I received over the years and just left many of the coins in their
original roll wrappers or bank bags.
Check out the ADDED BONUS at the end of the auction page!
Auction Link:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3301130147&category=525
Thank you for looking!
BK
Rick Coleman
estates I received over the years and just left many of the coins in their
original roll wrappers or bank bags."
That is indeed unfortunate. Who knows what gems may lurk within?
"PS" <nos...@highstream.net> wrote in message
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PS
questions posted by others...as many times as it is necessary, is that okay
with you?
"BK" <bkus...@snip.net> wrote in message
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BK
repetitive solocitations.
Larry Calder
Seller reserves the right to refuse sale to any bidder that does not comply
with the terms and conditions outlined in this auction and additional terms and
conditions that may be necessary to complete this transaction successfully.
Such a Catch-22!!!
It is not attractive once you start reading the description REAL close.
Plus 70 pounds of Lincolns accumulated in the last 20 years, Whatcha bet they
are 95-99% Memorials?
hiz other account
PORCOS NON ABLOCAMUS,Y'all
PS
accounts, etc., etc. I have been checking out the bidders as they come along
as I had some scammers bidding on an antique muscle car I sold last year. I
had them submit additional information to check them out and they turned out
to be frauds. After turning over their information to Safe Harbor, I
cancelled their bids.
And as far as your "Whatcha bet they are 95%-99% Memorials", Since I spent
my Christmas Eve dumping them onto the bedroom floor...I'll take that bet
with you for the current bid amount at this time. How about it?
And your other account??? crybabymaximus
"Larry Calder" <aloha...@aol.complicated> wrote in message
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mark
>Since I forgot to add things in the earlier posts...and I was answering
>questions posted by others...as many times as it is necessary, is that okay
>with you?
No.
According to the FAQ for the newsgroup:
http://www.telesphere.com/ts/coins/faq2.html#NEWSGROUPS
Avoid reposting the same auction notices and other commercial articles too
frequently. Once a week for the same announcement is plenty. Most news servers
save articles for a week or more, and yours will still be there when each
reader gets around to checking the group.
Please follow it.
Particluarly when considering that the details provided in the auction listing
makes an estimated retail value on list lot a heck of a lot closer to $10,000
than $24,000, and that there is nothing in the pictures with the auctions that
appears to be prior to the 1960's aside from the bank notes.
--
mark
"Market Grading is about creating markets, and not about grading"
Deven Atkinson
PS
>
> http://www.telesphere.com/ts/coins/faq2.html#NEWSGROUPS
>
> Avoid reposting the same auction notices and other commercial articles too
> frequently. Once a week for the same announcement is plenty. Most news
servers
> save articles for a week or more, and yours will still be there when each
> reader gets around to checking the group.
>
> Please follow it.
Thanks for the rules update. After looking at many other postings on this
newsgroup, you must be very, very busy reminding the "daily group users" of
the rules also.
> Particluarly when considering that the details provided in the auction
listing
> makes an estimated retail value on list lot a heck of a lot closer to
$10,000
> than $24,000, and that there is nothing in the pictures with the auctions
that
> appears to be prior to the 1960's aside from the bank notes.
I have provided many more details and photos to those who have requested
them and have a real ISP that can accept photo attachments. I also
accommodated one person who I met yesterday, after checking the person out
for legitimacy, to inspect the collection in person. That person is
currently the high bidder who apparently disagrees with your appraisal. I
also had a local retired coin dealer give me what he stated was a
"conservative appraisal" after looking at the collection and that is how I
came up with the reserve which is much lower than $24,000.
Nick Knight
>> According to the FAQ for the newsgroup:
>>
>> http://www.telesphere.com/ts/coins/faq2.html#NEWSGROUPS
<yada yada yada>
>> Please follow it.
>Thanks for the rules update. After looking at many other postings on this
>newsgroup, you must be very, very busy reminding the "daily group users"
>of the rules also.
Please note that a "FAQ" is merely a list of Frequently Asked Questions -
and normally, some sound answers. However, THEY ARE NOT "RULES". You
can't even declare a FAQ "official". Well, you can, but it's meaningless,
as there is no mechanism to vote, or declare one "official". Usually,
it's just one guy's opinions and often there isn't much of an argument,
which makes it "sort of" accepted.
But you've guessed at Mark's role correctly. He's a text collector.
Althought the FAQ can be used as a guide, and it's not a very good idea to
blast FA announcements too often, I don't see where you've been abusive
with your postings. It's a big collection. Mark and the rest of the
.composters (there are 4) make up a group of newsgroup hardheads, but Mark
is the absolute biggest. He often boasts of expertise he does not have,
and will defend "the rules" at any cost. Ask him about the $1.67 Paypal
"scam" he uncovered awhile back! (doophus).
That said, I see nothing in your collection of that much interest to me.
I, too, wonder if it's worth the speculation, but alas, I Just Don't Know.
There is little in my area of interest. AND, having been burnt before
investing a large amount of time "researching" a lot's value, only to have
it sold "off eBay" before I had a chance to place my confident bid, I'll
pass. But I wish you the best of luck, and happiest of a holiday season!
Just don't pay much attention to Mark, or the handful who might be
impressed by him. A little Google research and you'll find "that's just
the way he is". I'm waiting to nominate him for the "2002 RCC Old Lady of
the Year" Award" (ooops! I've just been non-PC! I do that sometimes :).
Happy Holidays Everyone!
Nick
PS
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> In <aubm4...@enews4.newsguy.com>, on 12/25/2002
> at 02:18 AM, "PS" <nos...@highstream.net> said:
>
> >> According to the FAQ for the newsgroup:
> >>
> >> http://www.telesphere.com/ts/coins/faq2.html#NEWSGROUPS
>
> <yada yada yada>
>
> >> Please follow it.
>
> >Thanks for the rules update. After looking at many other postings on this
> >newsgroup, you must be very, very busy reminding the "daily group users"
> >of the rules also.
>
> Please note that a "FAQ" is merely a list of Frequently Asked Questions -
> and normally, some sound answers. However, THEY ARE NOT "RULES". You
> can't even declare a FAQ "official". Well, you can, but it's meaningless,
> as there is no mechanism to vote, or declare one "official". Usually,
> it's just one guy's opinions and often there isn't much of an argument,
> which makes it "sort of" accepted.
I was going to get into the "non-enforceability" of the FAQ's on a
newsgroup, but that was another matter
> But you've guessed at Mark's role correctly. He's a text collector.
I saw that...we used to have plenty of them when I ran a BBS back in the
early 1980's
> Althought the FAQ can be used as a guide, and it's not a very good idea to
> blast FA announcements too often, I don't see where you've been abusive
> with your postings. It's a big collection.
That is the only reason I am posting it. You don't see me on this newsgroup
every week. I read a few posts and never posted until the past week.
> Mark and the rest of the
> .composters (there are 4) make up a group of newsgroup hardheads, but Mark
> is the absolute biggest. He often boasts of expertise he does not have,
> and will defend "the rules" at any cost. Ask him about the $1.67 Paypal
> "scam" he uncovered awhile back! (doophus).
I just retired from law enforcement after being seriously injured in the
line of duty...maybe he should put on a vest and a gun every day if he
enjoys defending the rules.
> That said, I see nothing in your collection of that much interest to me.
> I, too, wonder if it's worth the speculation, but alas, I Just Don't Know.
> There is little in my area of interest. AND, having been burnt before
> investing a large amount of time "researching" a lot's value, only to have
> it sold "off eBay" before I had a chance to place my confident bid, I'll
> pass. But I wish you the best of luck, and happiest of a holiday season!
Thanks! Because of my falling interest over the years in coin collecting, I
was not as dilligent as I should have been with sorting, grading, etc., etc.
My lack of attention to my collection will be someone else's prize. I was
going to sit down and search through every single loose coin, grade it,
place it in a 2x2 and sell it off piece by piece on E-Bay. After pondering
that for a while and looking at the collection spread out for photos, I
decided to sell off the whole collection as one item. Unfortunately,
financial obligations win out over paitence and dillengence on this one. If
someone picks up this collection, they could spend months going through
everything...but their paitence will pay off I'm sure. Not everyone will
want to bid on this...the person who does will spend quite a bit of time
going through it but it will be worth it. I had a person take a two hour
drive one way to my house to look at the collection after I checked out
their information. They left after a few hours, went home and placed a bid
right away. They must have seen something they liked.
> Just don't pay much attention to Mark, or the handful who might be
> impressed by him. A little Google research and you'll find "that's just
> the way he is". I'm waiting to nominate him for the "2002 RCC Old Lady of
> the Year" Award" (ooops! I've just been non-PC! I do that sometimes :).
;-)
>
> Happy Holidays Everyone!
And you too!
Tony
guy post his damn auction and leave him alone. If you don't like what
he is selling or how he is selling it, don't bid on it. In case you
haven't heard, this is America.
What a jerk
prg...@aol.combustion (mark) wrote in message news:<20021224231833...@mb-mn.aol.com>...
Richard Adams
Tony wrote:
> this is America.
Wrong, this is the internet, it's everywhere.
But your point taken, the group works better when people get along and
observe common courtesies.
--
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* Richard Adams, ackthpt(at)concentric.net *
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Jim
>You don't see me on this newsgroup every week. I read a few posts and never
posted until the past week.<
And as such, most have left you alone about the posting. Likewise watch who you
climb into the sack with. Your new friend is a puke of the highest order who
doesn't spend much time here but when he does, no one can wait for him to
leave.
He'll tell you all about other people while not forgetting to add crap like
"That said, I see nothing in your collection of that much interest to me. I,
too, wonder if it's worth the speculation, but alas, I Just Don't Know", as if
you need his take on the whole affair to sleep at night or he'd want to spend
more than 10 cents purchasing anything.
>I just retired from law enforcement after being seriously injured in the line
of duty...maybe he should put on a vest and a gun every day if he enjoys
defending the rules.<
Give yourself and us all a break this fine day. Good luck with the collection.
No matter its value or worth, it'll be one beauty to pick through for some time
after it gets to its new home!
Always here for my fellow syngraphist or oenophile.
--=*=----=*=----=*=----=*=----=*=----=*=----=*=----=*=----=*=----=*=--
Harv Laser
"Tony" <tonyc...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:f40c6267.02122...@posting.google.com...
> Who the hell died and left you idiots as the newsgroup kings?
Abraham Lincoln..
> Let the
> guy post his damn auction and leave him alone.
Oh, so.. now you're the group king, barking the orders.. Yassuh, massah!
Please don't whups me, massah!
> If you don't like what
> he is selling or how he is selling it, don't bid on it. In case you
> haven't heard, this is America.
In case you haven't heard, this is a World-wide group, Einstein..
> What a jerk
And yea, verily, He hath spoken, and the huddled masses fell down upon their
knees to give thanks for his wisdom..
Harv
Jim
>In case you haven't heard, this is America. What a jerk<
No kidding? And how does RCC merit the honor of this troll posting using this
addy for the very first time anywhere? Just get your new confuser from mommy
and daddy?
Larry Calder
regards the "BONUS" but I believe that you said you had been dropping the
pennies in the jar for the last 20 years. If so, it would stand to reason that
the majority of the Linc's would be memorials, would it not? Or did you say
something about dropping collectible pennies?
So now you want me to bet thousands of dollars that the jar, which you have
sole custody and control of, contains a certain mix of coins. Boy, anybody
would jump on that sucker bet in a minute, wouldn't they? Since you had them
dumped out,(and apparently checked the mix) the unsearched no longer is
applicable either, is it? Not that $150.00 at the most in cents makes that
much difference in a humpteen thousand dollar deal. 75 pounds of pennies is a
lot of bulk but not a bunch in face value.
Now the terms and consitions. Since you are so diligent in researching bidders
(which is a smart thing to do) and weeding out those whom you feel are not
serious, the end result will involve a bidder or bidders already vetted by you
so the "additional terms and conditions" you quote is really not necessary..
Insofar as frequency of the postings, I do not think you have been posting too
often, but then what do I know??
Have a Happy Holiday
PS
> Well If I had enough interest i would try to find the url and your quote
as
> regards the "BONUS" but I believe that you said you had been dropping the
> pennies in the jar for the last 20 years. If so, it would stand to reason
that
> the majority of the Linc's would be memorials, would it not?
It would not since I saw many others besides memorials, in contradiction to
your "95-99% statement"
> Or did you say
> something about dropping collectible pennies?
>
> So now you want me to bet thousands of dollars that the jar, which you
have
> sole custody and control of, contains a certain mix of coins. Boy, anybody
> would jump on that sucker bet in a minute, wouldn't they?
You were the one who initiated the statement of the bet.....your quote:
"Whatcha bet they are 95-99% Memorials?"
> Since you had them
> dumped out,(and apparently checked the mix) the unsearched no longer is
> applicable either, is it?
No it is not....just wanted to take you up on the wager you offered. I
dumped them out after you offered the bet which I still want to take.
> Not that $150.00 at the most in cents makes that
> much difference in a humpteen thousand dollar deal. 75 pounds of pennies
is a
> lot of bulk but not a bunch in face value.
I didn't see you here yesterday looking over the collection and the water
jug...must have came in through the walls, but you certainly sound like you
know for sure.
> Now the terms and consitions. Since you are so diligent in researching
bidders
> (which is a smart thing to do) and weeding out those whom you feel are not
> serious, the end result will involve a bidder or bidders already vetted by
you
> so the "additional terms and conditions" you quote is really not
necessary..
Just trying to discourage the "ghosts", scammers, etc. Sorry the wording of
my auction doesn't meet your high standards and expectations.
>
> Insofar as frequency of the postings, I do not think you have been posting
too
> often, but then what do I know??
Thanks
Stujoe
spoke thusly...
<snip>
Hi Tony. Haven't see you post here before. What do you collect?
--
Stu Miller
ICQ:159336182 AIM:stujoe Yahoo:stujoe
See the new exhibits in the Virtual Museum at:
http://www.thestujoecollection.com/museum/1900room.htm
Larry Calder
Rattles on
>> Not that $150.00 at the most in cents makes that
>> much difference in a humpteen thousand dollar deal. 75 pounds of pennies
>is a
>> lot of bulk but not a bunch in face value.
>I didn't see you here yesterday looking over the collection and the water
>jug...must have came in through the walls, but you certainly sound like you
>know for sure.
Don't need to see 75 pounds of pennies, just need a scale, three rolls and a
calculator. BTW the $150.00 face is probably too high for 75 pounds.
Insofar as the bet.....Of course now you would take it after insuring that
there are sufficient wheaties to total at least 6%. That is just 18 or so
rolls of wheaties dropped in to make sure that only 94% are Memorials. So you
will pardon me if I find your offer suspect now that you have dumped them out,
looked them over, etc., etc.
Happy Holidays!!
Ian
were around the house. :-(
So, finally the truth out's. Tony Blair really is just a sock puppet of
Georgie in the White House, and we right pondians have all been
transformed into 'merkins over night. One of the biggest n' best
examples of Corporate take over ever!
So, does that mean I don't need a green card to come and live / work
over on your side of the pond any more?....or are some of us 'merkins
not quite as equal as other 'merkins yet?
Hey, does this mean no more Queen's speeches at Christmas? ...or is she
'merkin now too?
Tony wrote:
> In case you haven't heard, this is America. What a jerk.
mark
>Thanks for the rules update. After looking at many other postings on this
>newsgroup, you must be very, very busy reminding the "daily group users" of
>the rules also.
Not at all, as most people here have the courtesy of posting their auctions
only once or twice. But then most people find that that's all they really need
to.
>I have provided many more details and photos to those who have requested
>them and have a real ISP that can accept photo attachments.
That's nice. BTW, AOL's e-mail can accept photo attachments.
>I also
>accommodated one person who I met yesterday, after checking the person out
>for legitimacy, to inspect the collection in person. That person is
>currently the high bidder who apparently disagrees with your appraisal. I
>also had a local retired coin dealer give me what he stated was a
>"conservative appraisal" after looking at the collection and that is how I
>came up with the reserve which is much lower than $24,000.
You might have wanted to have included some of that in your listing. Actually,
if you spent about half as much time listing the dates of the more valuable
coins and sets in the lot has you have been posting here about it, you'd very
most likely have your reserve met by now.
mark
>I was going to get into the "non-enforceability" of the FAQ's on a
>newsgroup, but that was another matter
>
Actually, your ISP's terms would seem to indicate otherwise:
http://www.highstream.net/premium/Terms_of_service.htm
"Transmission of unsolicited email or promotional material.
Users of Highstream's services are restricted from using any of our Services or
Resources for the purpose of transmitting unsolicited or promotional material
including but not limited to, any material which can be commonly referred to as
SPAM. The violation of this restriction will result in a ten dollar penalty for
each email address for which the unsolicited or promotional material was sent.
All costs associated with the collection of this fee will be the responsibility
of the violator. In addition, Highstream reserves the right to prosecute the
user for breach of this contract and the violating user acknowledges they have
purposefully and intentionally damaged Highstream's brand and image in the
marketplace. The violator agrees to pay any and all legal costs incurred by
Highstream associated with each violation."
>> But you've guessed at Mark's role correctly. He's a text collector.
Nick is one of those inDUHviduals who think that he's not really bound by any
contract or agreement he's made, that he's above the rules, that he's somehow
better. Follow his advice at your own risk.
>I just retired from law enforcement after being seriously injured in the
>line of duty...maybe he should put on a vest and a gun every day if he
>enjoys defending the rules.
>
Oh please. People employed in "law enforcement" are not a special class of
citizen. Many of them are special people, but the ones I know don't use their
vocation as an excuse for not being considerate.
>Unfortunately,
>financial obligations win out over paitence and dillengence on this one
IOW, it wasn't worth your time to maximize you bid by listing how many which
sets from the 1950's you have, or what coins are included or missing in the
dollar or half dollar folders?
You can fool some of the people most of the time, and most of the people some
of the time....
>I had a person take a two hour
>drive one way to my house to look at the collection after I checked out
>their information. They left after a few hours, went home and placed a bid
>right away. They must have seen something they liked.
Or using the Red Book or the Littleton catalog as their price guide.
Speculation like that works both ways.
PS
news:20021225164203...@mb-cq.aol.com...
> >From: "PS" nos...@highstream.net
>
> >I was going to get into the "non-enforceability" of the FAQ's on a
> >newsgroup, but that was another matter
> >
>
> Actually, your ISP's terms would seem to indicate otherwise:
Actually...Highstream is not my ISP, hasn't been for quite some time. With
the amount of time you spend policing others and letting us all know how
much of an expert you are in every phase of life, you should try to learn to
read headers.
Actually, there is no contract or agreement here on the newsgroups. Only
rules composed by ISP's which are very loosely enforced at best.
>
> >I just retired from law enforcement after being seriously injured in the
> >line of duty...maybe he should put on a vest and a gun every day if he
> >enjoys defending the rules.
> >
>
> Oh please. People employed in "law enforcement" are not a special class of
> citizen. Many of them are special people, but the ones I know don't use
their
> vocation as an excuse for not being considerate.
I am always considerate, something you certainly know nothing about. I can
see why you have that attitude.
>
> >Unfortunately,
> >financial obligations win out over paitence and dillengence on this one
>
> IOW, it wasn't worth your time to maximize you bid by listing how many
which
> sets from the 1950's you have, or what coins are included or missing in
the
> dollar or half dollar folders?
Nope, way too many items to list, the ad would be hours long. I have sent
people a more detailed list with plenty of photos though. I have also
accommodated people who wanted to look at the collection in person.
>
> You can fool some of the people most of the time, and most of the people
some
> of the time....
As one speaks from expierence.
>
> >I had a person take a two hour
> >drive one way to my house to look at the collection after I checked out
> >their information. They left after a few hours, went home and placed a
bid
> >right away. They must have seen something they liked.
>
> Or using the Red Book or the Littleton catalog as their price guide.
> Speculation like that works both ways.
As long as they are happy why should that bother you?
Nick Knight
>> Actually, your ISP's terms would seem to indicate otherwise:
>Actually...Highstream is not my ISP, hasn't been for quite some time.
>With the amount of time you spend policing others and letting us all know
>how much of an expert you are in every phase of life, you should try to
>learn to read headers.
Again, Mark is a pseudo-expert in many areas. "Depth"? No. Not a
chance. He once read a DNS RFC, and instantly became an expert on email,
quoting styles and netiquette. However massively flawed "an expert".
I see he's brought out more text from his collection. You'll note he's
stretching each time. Now, while you've posted here quite within the
rules and charter, he's now gone from enforcing "FAQ's" to looking up some
ISP's terms-of-service for you. Not that these terms of service have any
applicability with the issue at hand ... however, how can he pull text
from his collection if he can't stretch to "make it fit". In his eyes,
he's now done a wonderful job of proving that a FAQ is an enforcable
document. Go figure. This is Usenet, any quack can post, eh?
You're a inconsequential dork, Mark. Have been and always will be. Go
chase a Paypal scam, and have a Christmas.
Hey "PS" ... I've twitted this quack, and wish I wasn't seeing his
material quoted. He'll go on FOREVER thinking he has a case. My friendly
suggestion? Don't waste your time. Twit him and any of the other 4
.composters who might be arguing along side of him (they're almost like a
matched set, each having a specific function, the four of them ALMOST
making one whole (note I was tempted to play with an "a" instead of "one"
in front of that, but it's Xmas, I'll pass for today :). Do this before
.composter #2 threatens to get his Secret Service "buddy" involved.
Again. (spare us, please? :):):)
Nick
John Long
it's Christmas time. :-)
Phil DeMayo
>That said, I see nothing in your collection of that much interest to me.
Of course not...they're all slabbed and therefore all genuine.
++++++++++
Phil DeMayo
When bidding online always sit on your helmet
Just say NO to counterfeits
Phil DeMayo
>"Nick Knight" nkn...@mindspring.com wrote:
>
>>That said, I see nothing in your collection of that much interest to me.
>
>Of course not...they're all slabbed and therefore all genuine.
Ooops....got my threads mixed up....not that it matters since Nick supposedly
has me kill-filed.
Bob Peterson
"Phil DeMayo" <flip...@aol.compulsion> wrote in message
news:20021225210423...@mb-fx.aol.com...
Nick Knight
>I regularly go through my killfile and unkill everyone.
I don't ... well, not so much anymore. I've found that there is enough
.composting trash floating around that it isn't worth the time to unkill
the four of the producers of it. Actually, my normal "kill filters"
default to expiring in 3 weeks, but I've removed the expiration for some.
I think there are a total of 6-7 in two distinct groups that are killed,
and I only deal with the dorks when I see them quoted second hand. Which
isn't often.
In a way, I miss it, because it was such easy target practice ... but
preying on old ladies (not to be taken literally ... Mark), and one old,
old man (at least in mind and spirit), does get boring after awhile (I'm
purposely failing to recognize {much} the puffery/trashery contrast of the
other two ... there's nothing with which to even argue there!). They
never seem to actually learn from their silliness, and having it shown to
them. It's just the same inconsequential rhetoric time after time. "I'm
going to tell!" Phil declares while Mark pulls out more text from his
collection to "expertly" interpret. Go fish.
I suppose, in a way, it's reassuring to see 2 of the set of 4 still here,
spouting the same-old, same-old. Even better that I got to make fun of
them again :)
I'd make good on my promise to twit on reference headers, and thus
eliminate the second-hand-garbage, but I have to have a little fun,
sometimes, eh? I'll just try and resist unless I have some free time :)
Oh, BTW. I collect counterfeit bust halves, and a few other oddball
things. Without counting, I'd guess I have about 30-40 pieces. I've
shared most of these here. I've also shared enough of my "genuine"
collection that it would be easy to guess what a very small percentage
this set is, both in count and particularly in dollar value, compared to
all of my holdings. I would be quite bored if left with only Phil's
coins, I'm sure. The point? Well, Phil tried to make one, and failed, of
course. No, we can't count the top of his head, we'll have to wait until
he actually masters some logic. Don't hold your breath!
To all, even the .composters, enjoy what's left of Christmas and the rest
of the holiday season.
Nick
Jim
>Actually, my normal "kill filters" default to expiring in 3 weeks, but I've
removed the expiration for some.<
Does he really think "anyone" is listening to this doltish drone of his?
Stujoe
thusly...
> "Nick Knight" nkn...@mindspring.com comes back to haunt us with....
>
> >Actually, my normal "kill filters" default to expiring in 3 weeks, but I've
> removed the expiration for some.<
>
> Does he really think "anyone" is listening to this doltish drone of his?
Ahhh, he's back, huh?.
Nick Knight
>> >Actually, my normal "kill filters" default to expiring in 3 weeks, but I've
>> removed the expiration for some.<
>>
>> Does he really think "anyone" is listening to this doltish drone of his?
>Ahhh, he's back, huh?.
Me? Him? I guess it's all the same and doesn't matter.
But to answer Mr. Witless Mouth's question ... DUH!
Apparently, my message struck pay-dirt. Eh? Well, at least it reached
the intended audience, which is, in fact, SOME type of dirt, .composting
or not :)
Nick
Jim
>Apparently, my message struck pay-dirt. Eh?<
Hey Nick, stick that puss of yours closer to the monitor. C'mon, a little
closer yet....
"""WHACK"""
How's the oak of that Louisville, eh? Once you wake up, you'll be a better man.
Tony
> In article <f40c6267.02122...@posting.google.com>, Tony
> spoke thusly...
>
> <snip>
>
> Hi Tony. Haven't see you post here before. What do you collect?
Hi, I have posted a few times over the past several years. I not fond
of the group because of the few on this group that are nasty to
everyone except those who kiss their rear ends. Mark, Larry and a few
others here spend more time being critical of everyone then they spend
being constructive. It usually results in chasing away the "newbies"
I collect US Proof and Mint sets only these days. I owned a very large
coin shop in the 70's and early 80's until it was stuck by a large
fire destroying everything. I was fortunate to walk away with a few
dollars and retire young.
Tony
Nick Knight
at 04:45 AM, Stujoe <stuj...@NONADASPAMthestujoecollection.com> said:
>Ahhh, he's back, huh?.
I never did hear what came from the showing your well-worn Bust Half
around the St. Louis coin show. Did you get opinions? Real or Bogo?
Nick
randall
buying?
Larry Calder
For instance, here is the first post from tonycoinguy, dated only yesterday.
Who the hell died and left you idiots as the newsgroup kings? Let the
guy post his damn auction and leave him alone. If you don't like what
he is selling or how he is selling it, don't bid on it. In case you
haven't heard, this is America.
What a jerk
It would appear from the tenor of the post that tcg came in wanting to pick a
fight. I expecially love the "this is America" comment, However, I REALLY like
his self appraisal "What a jerk".
My more salient comments are generally generated toward people who can well
take care of themselves in any verbal brouhaha so I will not take a jab at you.
I do however agree 100% with your self appraisal.
JSTONE9352
>Would anyone really spend $20,000.00 without seeing what they are
>buying?
Sure, and not just coins.
Jim
>For instance, here is the first post from tonycoinguy, dated only yesterday.<
There's an echo in here.....I discovered this troll first. That casino has
robbed your short term memory or maybe it's that LA air?
Do note that he only said he's posted here before, but apparently not with this
addy, though of course neglected to mention which one. Funny how that stuff
never gets said.....
I find the new post almost as bizarre because he says he lost his entire coin
business to a tragic fire about 20 years ago, but fortunately was able to
retire early despite the bad timing????
Hey Tony, just how old are you? And how are you retired at 13?
Larry Calder
Now don't you be hasselin' me about th casinos, else I won't invite you to go
along when next I go to visit my money. I really don't go for the gamblin', I
go for the trip to Big Pine Lodge/Restaurant on the way back. Just commence
headin toward Uncertain from Karnack and turn when you see the 'YONDER' arrow..
But don't go 'YONDER' on Monday or Tuesday because their open is shut.
PS
lists of what was in the collection along with many, many more pictures and
then made arrangements to see the collection in person a couple of days ago.
"randall" <randa...@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:10920-3E0...@storefull-2352.public.lawson.webtv.net...
Larry Calder
> >
> >So, does that mean I don't need a green card to come and live / work
> >over on your side of the pond any more?....or are some of us 'merkins
> >not quite as equal as other 'merkins yet?
> >
Green Card??? You don' need no stenken green card. Yoou're welcome on
my little patch anytime but don't bring no damn haggis.
PORCOS NON ABLOCAMUS, Y'all
Larry
http://www.texascoinstuff.com
mark
>Mark, Larry and a few
>others here spend more time being critical of everyone then they spend
>being constructive. It usually results in chasing away the "newbies"
A free clue for you: take a look at the list of bidders for the auction listed
in the title. See any IDs of any major dealers there? (There are more than a
few who buy and sell on ebay.) If that lot was as good as they seller has
hyped it to be, there'd be at least a couple of the big guys bidding on it.
This amount of inventory obtainable in a single purchase doesn't happen every
day, and no enterprising dealer serving a national market would want to pass it
up. Unless, of course, it was too good to be true.
And while most newbies don't have 16 grand to drop on a single purchase, this
auction has all the signs of an over-hype lot of common stuff: way to much text
for the actual amount of detail given; dates of the really valuable stuff (over
$100) only hinted at ("mint sets from the 1950s"); pictures of just the common
stuff; distance shots of "lots" of coins but no close-ups; potential additional
terms; seller has all sorts of time to post about it here and reaply to
supposedly volumes of e-mail, but no time whatsoever to add to the auction
listing with any of the detail he is supposedly supplying via e-mail (his
cut-n-paste must be down). Lots to be learned here about how NOT to sell, and
what not to buy.
Granted, this also might be a case of someone who really doesn't know how to
sell, but would you want to bet $16,000 on that?
so ne
<snip>Granted, this also might be a case of someone who really doesn't
know how to sell, but would you want to bet $16,000 on that?>>>
;);)
How many would there be between these 2 places!!!? I have found casinos
in LV to have the best food for the cheapest price
at the buffets. Aaaarrrrggg my tummy still hurts.
Doris
JSTONE9352
>in LV to have the best food for the cheapest price
>at the buffets. Aaaarrrrggg my tummy still hurts.
> Doris
Food in Las Vegas is cheap because they
would rather you spend your money on
gambling. Makes sense I guess.
Barry K.
It's not cheap like it used to be
Barry
--
Note - Remove the X from my e-mail address for direct replies
Ian
OK, the haggis stays at home, but the venison steaks are a must for the
barbie! ;-)
Ian
Tony
> >From: tonyc...@yahoo.com (Tony)
>
> >Mark, Larry and a few
> >others here spend more time being critical of everyone then they spend
> >being constructive. It usually results in chasing away the "newbies"
>
> A free clue for you: take a look at the list of bidders for the auction listed
> in the title. See any IDs of any major dealers there? (There are more than a
> few who buy and sell on ebay.) If that lot was as good as they seller has
> hyped it to be, there'd be at least a couple of the big guys bidding on it.
> This amount of inventory obtainable in a single purchase doesn't happen every
> day, and no enterprising dealer serving a national market would want to pass it
> up. Unless, of course, it was too good to be true.
No, there are not many of the big dealers there. That doesn't mean it
might not be a reasonable purchase. After I first opened my shop, I
had an old man from the neighborhood come in and ask if I wanted to
buy his collection. He wanted to pay off his house, buy a car and pay
off a few bills, and was looking for about $8000.00. He had a few
large boxes and bags in his car trunk, (an old beat up Buick), and
after looking at them, I thought it was worth the chance. My rough
estimate of the sets and assembled stuff was about $5000.00 and I
thought the loose stuff and rolls were worth the remaining $3000.00. I
gave him a check for $8000.00, which was a lot of money at that time,
and said goodbye. He said "goodbye???", I'll be right back! He
returned a couple of hours later with his trunk and back seat filled
with boxes and bags of sets, bank bags, etc. He said "I sold you my
whole collection, not just part!". As we unloaded everything into my
shop, I insisted on going through this new load and giving him more
money, his reply was, "A deal is a deal, you paid me what I wanted and
I am giving you what I agreed on!" He hugged me, wished me luck and
left the shop. I spent many weeks going through everything, grading,
etc. I ended up making several times more then I paid for the
collection and never saw the old man again. That old man's collection
paid my shop's bills for quite a while.
>
> And while most newbies don't have 16 grand to drop on a single purchase, this
> auction has all the signs of an over-hype lot of common stuff: way to much text
> for the actual amount of detail given; dates of the really valuable stuff (over
> $100) only hinted at ("mint sets from the 1950s"); pictures of just the common
> stuff; distance shots of "lots" of coins but no close-ups; potential additional
> terms; seller has all sorts of time to post about it here and reaply to
> supposedly volumes of e-mail, but no time whatsoever to add to the auction
> listing with any of the detail he is supposedly supplying via e-mail (his
> cut-n-paste must be down). Lots to be learned here about how NOT to sell, and
> what not to buy.
Maybe so, but this person is not a dealer, he appears to be like the
"old man" I dealt with and whatever the case, the group here has done
nothing but beat the person into the ground and give no hint of the
benefit of the doubt!
> Granted, this also might be a case of someone who really doesn't know how to
> sell, but would you want to bet $16,000 on that?
Well, I spent $8000.00 like that once. When I wrote that $8000.00
check, it was like writing a $40,000.00 check today. A really nice,
loaded to the gills brand new car at that time was around $8000.00,
Brand new houses in the area were going for about $18000.00. $8000.00
was a heck of a lot of money back then.
Tony
advertising for his auction by you guys.
prg...@aol.combustion (mark) wrote in message news:<20021227020348...@mb-mf.aol.com>...
Bill Krummel
"Tony" <tonyc...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:f40c6267.02122...@posting.google.com...
But, 99 times out of a hundred, taking a gamble will not pay off. We all
wish it were that easy. I guess we see differently. I have not seen "group
here has done nothing but beat the person into the ground". I would
describe what I have seen as healthy and straight shootin skepticism. You
say the group " give no hint of the benefit of the doubt!" I say the deal
might work out for a winner of this auction. It could happen. However, if
someone I know nothing about puts a FS in the newsgroup and offered to sell
his gold holdings (e.g.) for $2,000 and stated the buyer would come out ok
on the deal, I don't think the group or anyone should give the seller any
hint of the benefit of the doubt. I think a lot of questions should be
asked. I think a lot of negative inferences would and should be the vast
majority of the responses. I think the seller would have to prove his
holdings and himself. I honestly don't understand how the seller would have
any other expectations. The doubt, skepticism, and negative inferences
should be expected. If I made the offer, I would expect that kind of
response, at least from those who don't know me at all. Bill
Tony
> aloha...@aol.complicated (Larry Calder) adds.....
>
> >For instance, here is the first post from tonycoinguy, dated only yesterday.<
>
> There's an echo in here.....I discovered this troll first. That casino has
> robbed your short term memory or maybe it's that LA air?
>
> Do note that he only said he's posted here before, but apparently not with this
> addy, though of course neglected to mention which one. Funny how that stuff
> never gets said.....
>
> I find the new post almost as bizarre because he says he lost his entire coin
> business to a tragic fire about 20 years ago, but fortunately was able to
> retire early despite the bad timing????
>
> Hey Tony, just how old are you? And how are you retired at 13?
Obviously much older then most of you who are acting like little children.
Tony
> Good thing about Google. It has a history.
>
my entire life.
> For instance, here is the first post from tonycoinguy, dated only yesterday.
>
> Who the hell died and left you idiots as the newsgroup kings? Let the
> guy post his damn auction and leave him alone. If you don't like what
> he is selling or how he is selling it, don't bid on it. In case you
> haven't heard, this is America.
> What a jerk
>
> It would appear from the tenor of the post that tcg came in wanting to pick a
> fight. I expecially love the "this is America" comment, However, I REALLY like
> his self appraisal "What a jerk".
>
> My more salient comments are generally generated toward people who can well
> take care of themselves in any verbal brouhaha so I will not take a jab at you.
> I do however agree 100% with your self appraisal.
That wasn't my self appraisal, but it does fit the appraisal of many
of the postings here
Tony
> Hmm, Fire can be fortuitous in certain instances, hmm??
Fortunate I believe is the word you are looking for and yes, sometimes
it is. It never is if life is lost.
Larry Calder
>Fortunate I believe is the word you are looking for and yes, sometimes
>it is. It never is if life is lost.
Nope fortuitous is the exact word I meant
Etymology: Latin fortuitus; akin to Latin fort-, fors
Date: 1653
1 : occurring by chance
2 a : FORTUNATE, LUCKY <from a cost standpoint, the company's timing is
fortuitous —Business Week> b : coming or happening by a lucky chance <belted
down the stairs, and there was a fortuitous train —Doris Lessing>
Apropos of nothing whatsoever....There are a lot of people, particulary in
Florida whose heavily insured business' were visited by a fortuitous fire, thus
enabling them to (1) get out from under a losing business and (2) retire with
the insurance proceeds.
Nick Knight
>> Good thing about Google. It has a history.
>Just for about a year. And I never said I used the same posting medium my
>entire life.
That's a good point. Having just switched primary email addresses "by
force" (and I'm not even posting with the one I intend to use from now on
... this one does forward to that address, tho :), it seems odd that
people rely so heavily on "Google". Yet, it is a way to learn about some
posters. Depending on how someone would look up my own postings, it might
appear I "just started" in Oct/Nov 2002. Or, another way, I've been
around for years. My old-and-long-gone-email address, BBS-based, would
show even more. Shall we go back to Fidonet, Rime and all the other
non-Internet mediums? That stuff isn't on Google.
However, having extended history on Google isn't necessarily a positive.
Take for example, the collection of Jim-the-Witless-Wonder's postings. Is
there history? Sure, probably alot of it. Says nothing of the quality,
which I'm sure is very poor. Perhaps he is more civil in his wine-related
groups. I'd bet not; he's a .composter nomatter where he goes. Note that
he's one of the guys arguing with you. Watch out, he'll earnestly inquire
about your sex life soon, and dare you answer, he'll only want more! Yes,
there's something wrong with that picture.
The fact is, tho, email addresses and "online identities" ARE easy to make
up. Hence the suspicion. Give someone an extra dose of paranoia, and if
they don't prove you an automatic troll, then your stories are picked
apart (hence, the text-collector .composter's angle ... he can find one
anywhere, as long as he can twist and spin enough!)
Most of the folks "here" are reasonable. Don't bother defending yourself
to the minority ... just share. There IS no seniority system here. I've
been using a phrase quite extensively as of late; more of a derogatory
note. However, it rings true. "Usenet, ANYONE can post".
Nick
@kingwoodcable.com Chris
--Chris
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Jim
>Obviously much older then most of you who are acting like little children.<
Yeah, it was me who called someone a jerk.
BTW Tony, what was that addy you posted under here a few times years ago? Never
did say....Oh that's right, it was in another medium, in the dark ages, prior
to Deja, Google, etc., when there were a "few on this group that are nasty to
everyone except those who kiss their rear ends."
It's nice to see we've evolved.
mark
>No, there are not many of the big dealers there. That doesn't mean it
>might not be a reasonable purchase. After I first opened my shop, I
>had an old man from the neighborhood come in and ask if I wanted to
>buy his collection. He wanted to pay off his house, buy a car and pay
>off a few bills, and was looking for about $8000.00. He had a few
[snip]
That was a nice story, thanks for sharing it.
>Well, I spent $8000.00 like that once.
Not quite. You got to see what you were getting and made your offer contingent
upon it. The extra car load was just that, an extra. The unknown factor in
this auction is huge! It is listed as including mint sets from the 1950s.
Does he have two 1950 and 1951 mint sets each, or two from 1959? That's about
a $3,000.00 swing in value right there, let alone what halves and dollars might
be included or not in the "almost full" folders.
Giving benefit of the doubt is a good thing to do when warranted, and a foolish
thing to waste when not, IMO.
Underbiddershill
http://cgi6.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&item=3301130147
and, well this smells fishy...
http://cgi2.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback&userid=plk723
i think i like to bet that plk723 will not be the high bidder, but if he does
become high bidder, i bet ebay gets a npb. anyone like that action?
so whats up with the seelers profile? why does everyone leave 'rec'd' feedback
comments? notice the horsefanatic and labsrule. been online for long time, do
no deals with anyone but seller.
http://cgi2.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback&userid=n3fvg
people do not bid for a months and sellers dont sell for months and then they
are both active again. not 2 convenient
so what dealer offered a $24,000 appraisel? well?
Nick Knight
>I come out of lurking to show a bid history:
>http://cgi6.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&item=3301130147
>and, well this smells fishy...
I don't see anything that unusual. I'm sure the hounds will dig deeper,
but when you WANT to smell fish, I'm sure you can. Some can even find Big
Evil in $1.67 paypal-optional deals!
But then, I'm not used to hunting shills unless they're obvious. And I
usually just avoid bidding instead of airing my hunches. Afterall, I know
what I'll bid and be happy, and bidding this at the last minute, a shill
makes less of a difference.
Nick
Tony
> >From: tonyc...@yahoo.com (Tony)
>
> >No, there are not many of the big dealers there. That doesn't mean it
> >might not be a reasonable purchase. After I first opened my shop, I
> >had an old man from the neighborhood come in and ask if I wanted to
> >buy his collection. He wanted to pay off his house, buy a car and pay
> >off a few bills, and was looking for about $8000.00. He had a few
>
> [snip]
>
> That was a nice story, thanks for sharing it.
Your welcome
>
> >Well, I spent $8000.00 like that once.
> Not quite. You got to see what you were getting and made your offer contingent
> upon it. The extra car load was just that, an extra. The unknown factor in
> this auction is huge! It is listed as including mint sets from the 1950s.
> Does he have two 1950 and 1951 mint sets each, or two from 1959? That's about
> a $3,000.00 swing in value right there, let alone what halves and dollars might
> be included or not in the "almost full" folders.
>
> Giving benefit of the doubt is a good thing to do when warranted, and a foolish
> thing to waste when not, IMO.
True, I did get to see it, but I didn't examine every piece and took a
rough estimation on the value, I gambled. I am going to contact the
seller and see if I can see the collection. The ad says they are in
the Philadelphia region and I am going down that way to visit friends
over the weekend so I'll see if I can stop by and look. My curiosity
is peaked now.
@kingwoodcable.com Chris
n3fvg, the seller of the GIANT Lifetime Collection?
--Chris
"Nick Knight" wrote:
> I don't see anything that unusual.
Rick James
computer for Christmas? You should sell the new computer for reading,
spelling and grammar lessons. I don't see anything in the ad that states
that a dealer appraised anything for $24000. Who sold you that bad vial of
crack?
"Underbiddershill" <underbid...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20021227194823...@mb-mo.aol.com...
mark
http://cgi2.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?MfcISAPICommand=ViewFeedback&useri
d=+chris-auction&items=25
I count 10 feedbacks from only 3 different people on the first page, not to
mention the famous "sunglasses"
"Chris" <cjs @ kingwoodcable .com> wrote in message
news:3e0d1a12$1...@corp.newsgroups.com...
Nick Knight
>Did you notice that two of the suspected shill's eight feedbacks are from
>n3fvg, the seller of the GIANT Lifetime Collection?
>--Chris
>"Nick Knight" wrote:
>> I don't see anything that unusual.
Yes. And? I do repeat business with many sellers. And I end up with
lots of duplicate ID's in my feedback history. Does that mean the next
time I bid on one of their items I'm a shill? I can't vouch for either
party, I'm just hoping not to witness yet-another witch hunt (or is this
one a "fish hunt"? :)
Nick
@kingwoodcable.com Chris
Then please re-read my post--I wasn't sneering about the bidder's low
feedback; rather, I was asking if Nick, in saying he saw nothing unusual,
had noticed the existing relationship with the seller of the subject
auction.
--Chris
"mark" <prg...@aol.combustion> wrote in message
news:auj8r...@enews4.newsguy.com...
@kingwoodcable.com Chris
characteristics I have heard mentioned about shill bidding rings.
--Chris
"Nick Knight" wrote:
> Yes. And? I do repeat business with many sellers. And I end up with
> lots of duplicate ID's in my feedback history. Does that mean the next
> time I bid on one of their items I'm a shill? I can't vouch for either
> party, I'm just hoping not to witness yet-another witch hunt (or is this
> one a "fish hunt"? :)
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Nick Knight
>It's circumstantial evidence, no doubt, but consistent with one of the
>characteristics I have heard mentioned about shill bidding rings.
Ok. It certainly is worthy of more research, for those who like to do
those types of things. I'll count myself out :).
Nick
Underbiddershill
Perhaps my spelling and grammar problems are feigned to catch the dishonest
without revealing my identity.
On the other hand, maybe someone else is writing this reply... You never know,
do you?
Just get that
>computer for Christmas? You should sell the new computer for reading,
>spelling and grammar lessons.
Or perhaps you should sell your computer since you use it to leap to
conclusions which are erroneous?
>I don't see anything
Oblivious to the obvious.?
>in the ad that states
>that a dealer appraised anything for $24000.
Since it didn't state it in the ad, I didn't write that the AD stated a dealer
appraised it... The seller did so state in this thread. Why not ask him who the
retired dealer is? Here is a snippet of the post. Google it up if you like. (Oh
geeze, I just noticed that the seller's header says 'newsguy.com' just like
you, Rick)
<<<Subject: Re: FA: GIANT Lifetime Collection of US & Misc. Coins - E-Bay Item
#3301130147 + BONUS
From: "PS" nos...@highstream.net
Date: 12/25/2002 1:18 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id: <aubm4...@enews4.newsguy.com>
I have provided many more details and photos to those who have requested
them and have a real ISP that can accept photo attachments. I also
accommodated one person who I met yesterday, after checking the person out
for legitimacy, to inspect the collection in person. That person is
currently the high bidder who apparently disagrees with your appraisal. I
also had a local retired coin dealer give me what he stated was a
"conservative appraisal" after looking at the collection and that is how I
came up with the reserve which is much lower than $24,000.>>>
Who sold you that bad vial of
>crack?
>
Is that your best personal attack?
I suppose you think you are somehow better than me, as well as you may think
you are better than others. Maybe you ought to rethink your position relative
to those others. It was easy to deceive you, was it not? Just how much of what
really goes on around you escapes your tenuous grasp of the reality you fashion
for yourself? Do you really KNOW anything? Nevermind, I do not have time to
waste with you. I was hoping to avoid the situation where someone gets clipped
for over $20,000... You were not.
So again, I want the name of the dealer that appraised the accumulation. I
believe that the seller is prevaricating. No one (in their right mind) relys on
a single appraisal, especially an ex-law enforcement (whatever that is supposed
to mean) person. Nearly everyone knows to get at least three appraisals from
reputable dealers. Any retired dealer is likely to be known by some (or many)
of us. The whole pier still smells fishy.
Noteworthy is the lack of response by the seller thus far.
Also, this is your first post, according to google, Rick. Amazing that people
jump in to conversations to accuse others of smoking crack without ANY evidence
to support their contention yet ignore statements of fact that are in the ad
and the thread in their very first post. Rick, you can read all right, but your
comprehension is in need of some polishing. Try a rock tumbler...
>"Underbiddershill" <underbid...@aol.com> wrote in message
>news:20021227194823...@mb-mo.aol.com...
>> I come out of lurking to show a bid history:
>>
>> http://cgi6.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&item=3301130147
>>
>> and, well this smells fishy...
>>
>> http://cgi2.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback&userid=plk723
>>
>> i think i like to bet that plk723 will not be the high bidder, but if he
>does
>> become high bidder, i bet ebay gets a npb. anyone like that action?
>>
>> so whats up with the sellers profile? why does everyone leave 'rec'd'
Tony
I see we have another rocket scientist here. Newsguy.com is a
newsgroup service that is used by thousands of ISP's across the
country including AOL sometimes.
Underbiddershill
Hey, rocket scientist, is ISP's the correct plural form or is it ISPs?
No comment on the appraisal question? Don't you want to know who appraised it?
I mean since your interest is "peaked"... Or should that have been "piqued"?
<<<<
Who the hell died and left you idiots as the newsgroup kings? Let the
guy post his damn auction and leave him alone. If you don't like what
he is selling or how he is selling it, don't bid on it. In case you
haven't heard, this is America.
What a jerk>>>
Spoken like a true sock puppet.
<<<I collect US Proof and Mint sets only these days. I owned a very large
coin shop in the 70's and early 80's until it was stuck by a large
fire destroying everything. I was fortunate to walk away with a few
dollars and retire young.
Tony>>>
I bet you can't prove you owned a shop in the 70's and 80's, puppet.
>>>Hey Tony, just how old are you? And how are you retired at 13?
Obviously much older then most of you who are acting like little children.>>>
Do you mean "than" rather than then, then? How is that grammar and spelling
coming along? LOL
>>>>BTW Tony, what was that addy you posted under here a few times years ago?
Never
did say..>>>
Still silence...
Tony, I gotta tell ya, there are several dozen MENSA eligible people here among
the posters. Many more are lurking. You are not that smart and neither is the
seller for whom you are a sock. If you do not know that fortuitous is a word,
then why not do the adult thing and look it up before you correct a person that
can write and knows proper grammar?
http://www.dictionary.com/wordoftheday/archive/2002/09/24.html
Now why are you defending the seller, whom you apparently do not know from
Adam? Oh, wait, the answer is above... You are his sockpuppet.
Calling anyone meaningless names like "jerk" and spouting off how this is
"America" is not exactly mature behavior. Further, you say if we do not like
the seller's auctions, we should shut up and let him work. I guess if I see you
being robbed, I won't call "law enforcement" because the robbers are doing
their job and no one should question their motives. If you do not like they way
they are robbing you, go get robbed elsewhere? As Larry said, when you say
jerk, it is a self appraisal.
Again, where is the dealer that is willing to say they appraised the
collection?\
The one thing I really like is that the seller claims to be ex-law enforcement.
Many scammers make that claim. It is not impersonating an officer to say that
you once were one. I say prove who the seller is and what law enforcement
agency he worked for. (And where is that retired dealer that appraised this
mess?)
I have plenty of money to pay for the deal in cash, and I do buy huge amounts
of coins and currency because I am a dealer.
The problem here is that I can spot a liar when I see one. I see two here, Tony
and the seller. They are the same person anyway.
Caveat Emptor indeed.
When this auction is over, they won't be around here anymore. Their purpose is
to sell this auction for as much as they can squeeze out of the victim and
split. That is why I am not revealing my ID. They are dishonest and I do not
feel like being retailiated against in any meaningful way. Let them call me
names all they want. They are merely blowing wind at an invisible person.
I feel sorry for the person they rip off, but anyone buying a lot in which the
coins are not listed is asking for it. I hope they get a good kiss while they
are being screwed.
Jim
>I bet you can't prove you owned a shop in the 70's and 80's, puppet.<
I'm not sure he's a shill for this auction or not, but he isn't who he says he
is. Too much doesn't add up at all, not to mention that this entire "shop
burned-now retired" scenario has been pitched here before by another hit and
run addy some time back and damned if I can remember it now.
>The one thing I really like is that the seller claims to be ex-law
enforcement. Many scammers make that claim.<
Sure........Look no further back than early October 2002 and DONALD ANDERSON
THE SCREAMER who was and wasn't a cop, simultaneously. WTF did ever happen to
Donald?
There was one in 2001 as well. Seems to me that one divided the group right
down the middle also; some believed and held his hand through the trauma of it
all, others ran him out on a rail.
>It is not impersonating an officer to say that you once were one. I say prove
who the seller is and what law enforcement agency he worked for.<
Who cares? I find it much more interesting that his former job and now
'disabled' (or was it injured?) were thrown together in one lump statement as
if he took 16 bullets on a stakeout, instead of more than likely wrenching his
back shaking the candy bar machine back at the station.
Whatever he and Tony are or aren't, the auction has made reserve and just as
matter of factly, neither will be back again.
Just another day troll hunting on RCC.....
>I feel sorry for the person they rip off, but anyone buying a lot in which the
coins are not listed is asking for it. I hope they get a good kiss while they
are being screwed.<
And regardless of who you are or not, that is the painful bottom line.
"Someone" is really going to take it in the shorts and there will be NO
recourse available as the auction is written. Oh wait, I forgot Tonys $8,000
anecdote and life lesson in trust. How silly of me........
Tony
> underbid...@aol.com (Underbiddershill) points out......
>
> >I bet you can't prove you owned a shop in the 70's and 80's, puppet.<
>
> I'm not sure he's a shill for this auction or not, but he isn't who he says he
> is. Too much doesn't add up at all, not to mention that this entire "shop
> burned-now retired" scenario has been pitched here before by another hit and
> run addy some time back and damned if I can remember it now.
Oh, okay, you must be right Jim. You are always right Jim. Puppet?
Wow, look in the mirror for the puppet!
>
> >The one thing I really like is that the seller claims to be ex-law
> enforcement. Many scammers make that claim.<
>
> Sure........Look no further back than early October 2002 and DONALD ANDERSON
> THE SCREAMER who was and wasn't a cop, simultaneously. WTF did ever happen to
> Donald?
Again, here goes the witch hunt.
>
> There was one in 2001 as well. Seems to me that one divided the group right
> down the middle also; some believed and held his hand through the trauma of it
> all, others ran him out on a rail.
>
> >It is not impersonating an officer to say that you once were one. I say prove
> who the seller is and what law enforcement agency he worked for.<
>
> Who cares? I find it much more interesting that his former job and now
> 'disabled' (or was it injured?) were thrown together in one lump statement as
> if he took 16 bullets on a stakeout, instead of more than likely wrenching his
> back shaking the candy bar machine back at the station.
Another anti-law enforcement slime bag. Gee, arrest record got you
down?
>
> Whatever he and Tony are or aren't, the auction has made reserve and just as
> matter of factly, neither will be back again.
I'll be here for quite a while now.
> Just another day troll hunting on RCC.....
>
> >I feel sorry for the person they rip off, but anyone buying a lot in which the
> coins are not listed is asking for it. I hope they get a good kiss while they
> are being screwed.<
In looking at some of the dealings you guys conduct, hmmmm
>
> And regardless of who you are or not, that is the painful bottom line.
> "Someone" is really going to take it in the shorts and there will be NO
> recourse available as the auction is written. Oh wait, I forgot Tonys $8,000
> anecdote and life lesson in trust. How silly of me........
And as usual, you have nothing to contribute but sarcasim, berating
remarks and the usual stammering
Tony
> >> geeze, I just noticed that the seller's header says 'newsguy.com' just like
> >> you, Rick)
> >
> >I see we have another rocket scientist here. Newsguy.com is a
> >newsgroup service that is used by thousands of ISP's across the
> >country including AOL sometimes.
>
> Hey, rocket scientist, is ISP's the correct plural form or is it ISPs?
Hey rocket scientist, can't understand why newsguy.com isn't just used
by one ISP?
>
> No comment on the appraisal question? Don't you want to know who appraised it?
Well, since the ad does not state it was appraised for $24000, doesn't
need to be commented. No where does it state in the ad it was
appraised for $24000.
> I mean since your interest is "peaked"... Or should that have been "piqued"?
At least we got your spelling and grammar cleaned up so it doesn't
look like a two year old
>
> <<<<
> Who the hell died and left you idiots as the newsgroup kings? Let the
> guy post his damn auction and leave him alone. If you don't like what
> he is selling or how he is selling it, don't bid on it. In case you
> haven't heard, this is America.
> What a jerk>>>
>
> Spoken like a true sock puppet.
And the mirror speaks.
>
> <<<I collect US Proof and Mint sets only these days. I owned a very large
> coin shop in the 70's and early 80's until it was stuck by a large
> fire destroying everything. I was fortunate to walk away with a few
> dollars and retire young.
>
> Tony>>>
>
> I bet you can't prove you owned a shop in the 70's and 80's, puppet.
Here we go with the betting again. You have already shown you don't
back your bets.
>
> >>>Hey Tony, just how old are you? And how are you retired at 13?
>
> Obviously much older then most of you who are acting like little children.>>>
>
> Do you mean "than" rather than then, then? How is that grammar and spelling
> coming along? LOL
Much better, at least you don't sound retarded while typing.
>
> >>>>BTW Tony, what was that addy you posted under here a few times years ago?
> Never
> did say..>>>
The same one as today....
> Tony, I gotta tell ya, there are several dozen MENSA eligible people here among
> the posters.
I can see that. Busy bitching about what others are doing instead of
worrying about themselves.
> Many more are lurking. You are not that smart and neither is the
> seller for whom you are a sock. If you do not know that fortuitous is a word,
> then why not do the adult thing and look it up before you correct a person that
> can write and knows proper grammar?
If you paid as much attention to your spelling and grammar as you
worry about what others are doing, you would be the national spelling
bee champ.
> http://www.dictionary.com/wordoftheday/archive/2002/09/24.html
>
> Now why are you defending the seller, whom you apparently do not know from
> Adam? Oh, wait, the answer is above... You are his sockpuppet.
No, I am not a puppet as you and your buddies are. I have a mind of my
own, I don't have to share one.
> Calling anyone meaningless names like "jerk" and spouting off how this is
> "America" is not exactly mature behavior.
If the shoe fits...
Further, you say if we do not like
> the seller's auctions, we should shut up and let him work. I guess if I see you
> being robbed, I won't call "law enforcement" because the robbers are doing
> their job and no one should question their motives. If you do not like they way
> they are robbing you, go get robbed elsewhere?
All I said is give the guy the benefit of the doubt. None of you have
actually looked at the collection to make a determination. You just
sit back and accuse and point fingers.
> As Larry said, when you say
> jerk, it is a self appraisal.
I guess it takes one to know one
>
> Again, where is the dealer that is willing to say they appraised the
> collection?\
Again, where does it state in the ad it was appraised for $24000?
>
> The one thing I really like is that the seller claims to be ex-law enforcement.
> Many scammers make that claim. It is not impersonating an officer to say that
> you once were one. I say prove who the seller is and what law enforcement
> agency he worked for. (And where is that retired dealer that appraised this
> mess?)
> I have plenty of money to pay for the deal in cash, and I do buy huge amounts
> of coins and currency because I am a dealer.
I'm sure you are, dealing in ?????
> The problem here is that I can spout off as much as the next guy
True, true
> And I'm a liar
Very true
Jim
>Again, here goes the witch hunt.<
No, same old witch, different hunt. I thought I remembered that NNTP #......
You were Mr. 22 D pennyha...@aol.com just a couple months back. Seems you
and the AOL account you were posting from created quite a stir in a couple
dozen groups back then.....
And now you're back here to play again, huh? Why us, bumpkin? Other folks
wouldn't buy off on your crap either?
Underbiddershill
>it?
>
>Well, since the ad does not state it was appraised for $24000, doesn't
>need to be commented. No where does it state in the ad it was
>appraised for $24000.
No, as I stated earlier, it did not say it was appraised in the ad. (The seller
said [in the ad] that he had worked at a coin shop, so why he needed an
appraisal is a fair question, too.)
The seller did say that he got an appraisal, though, here are his words
<<<<
I have provided many more details and photos to those who have requested
them and have a real ISP that can accept photo attachments. I also
accommodated one person who I met yesterday, after checking the person out
for legitimacy, to inspect the collection in person. That person is
currently the high bidder who apparently disagrees with your appraisal. I
also had a local retired coin dealer give me what he stated was a
"conservative appraisal" after looking at the collection and that is how I
came up with the reserve which is much lower than $24,000.>>>
Still no comment needed?
Here is his post
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=aubm4l0f8n%40enews
4.newsguy.com
Now, where is this 'retired dealer'? Or was he just puffing about the
appraisal? What is a small lie or two about the auction anyway? What's the big
deal? Shouldn't he be able to make up things as long as they are not mentioned
in the ad? That is honest business, right? That's how you do business isn't it,
"Tony"?
Underbiddershill
>> guy post his damn auction and leave him alone. If you don't like what
>> he is selling or how he is selling it, don't bid on it. In case you
>> haven't heard, this is America.
>> What a jerk>>>
>>
>> Spoken like a true sock puppet.
>
>And the mirror speaks.
>
So to whom do I belong as a sockpuppet? I am no one's puppet. I can run over
you barefoot.
I am not trying to sell that auction. I think you and the seller are thieves.
(or a single thief, to be more nearly precise)
>>
>> <<<I collect US Proof and Mint sets only these days. I owned a very large
>> coin shop in the 70's and early 80's until it was stuck by a large
>> fire destroying everything. I was fortunate to walk away with a few
>> dollars and retire young.
>>
>> Tony>>>
>>
>> I bet you can't prove you owned a shop in the 70's and 80's, puppet.
>
>Here we go with the betting again. You have already shown you don't
>back your bets.
>
'Skuse me, but I never made a bet with you, and when I do bet, I pay if I lose.
>>
>> >>>Hey Tony, just how old are you? And how are you retired at 13?
>>
>> Obviously much older then most of you who are acting like little
>children.>>>
>>
>> Do you mean "than" rather than then, then? How is that grammar and spelling
>> coming along? LOL
>
>Much better, at least you don't sound retarded while typing.
>
>>
>> >>>>BTW Tony, what was that addy you posted under here a few times years
>ago?
>> Never
>> did say..>>>
>
>The same one as today....
Nope, you are a newly made up addy. Of course, I might retract that if you show
us a few of your previous posts from a year or two ago? How about that coin
shop? Where was it? Who do you know? I have seen easy pickings, but you fall
right off the bone. Stick a fork in him folks, he is done. (I know how much you
like a cliche...)
>> Tony, I gotta tell ya, there are several dozen MENSA eligible people here
>among
>> the posters.
>
>I can see that. Busy bitching about what others are doing instead of
>worrying about themselves.
>
Why worry? Smart people make adjustments instead. Further, I suppose you think
it is all right for you to cheat, lie, steal, kill, rape or whatever you want
and that everyone ought to stay out of your "business." Well, you are not part
of the seller's business, right? So what are you doing in it? Me? I feel I have
the right to get involved and keep the process fair and honest. So, you can
butt out now because what I write about the seller is none of your concern, is
it?
>> Many more are lurking. You are not that smart and neither is the
>> seller for whom you are a sock. If you do not know that fortuitous is a
>word,
>> then why not do the adult thing and look it up before you correct a person
>that
>> can write and knows proper grammar?
>
>If you paid as much attention to your spelling and grammar as you
>worry about what others are doing, you would be the national spelling
>bee champ.
>
Which has what relationship with the statement I made? You pointed out how
Larry did not know what word he was looking for. What a laugh. Most of the rest
of the posters here knew the word existed, what it meant and how it was used
properly. How does it feel to be the "slow learner" on this ng? All you were
doing was making up grammar. Pretending you "knew" something that you didn't
know. Like pretending that the seller never stated that he got an appraisal
because it is not in the ad. You still do not see how transparant this all is,
do you?
Again, what business is this auction of yours that you should have a part in
the discussion? Why should you worry about what gets written here? It isn't
your ox that is being gored, is it?
>> http://www.dictionary.com/wordoftheday/archive/2002/09/24.html
>>
>> Now why are you defending the seller, whom you apparently do not know from
>> Adam? Oh, wait, the answer is above... You are his sockpuppet.
>
>No, I am not a puppet as you and your buddies are. I have a mind of my
>own, I don't have to share one.
>
Me? A puppet? Hahaha
>> Calling anyone meaningless names like "jerk" and spouting off how this is
>> "America" is not exactly mature behavior.
>
>If the shoe fits...
>
You picked the shoe out, sockpuppy. Cobble it and hobble in it well.
> Further, you say if we do not like
>> the seller's auctions, we should shut up and let him work. I guess if I see
>you
>> being robbed, I won't call "law enforcement" because the robbers are doing
>> their job and no one should question their motives. If you do not like they
>way
>> they are robbing you, go get robbed elsewhere?
>
>All I said is give the guy the benefit of the doubt.
No, you called people names and were very rude from your very first posts. You
refuse to answer direct questions (like the appraisal from the retired dealer)
and cannot handle the easiest of questions. Tell ya what, send me $24,000 and I
will send you some coins. No? Why can't I get the benefit of the doubt from
you? What do you mean asking me all these questions before you send me the
money? How dare you want to know what year the proof sets are!!
None of you have
>actually looked at the collection to make a determination.
I do not have to see the title to the George Washington bridge to know you do
not own it, do I?
You just
>sit back and accuse and point fingers.
>
I pointed out facts. I guess facts frighten and confuse you.
>
>> As Larry said, when you say
>> jerk, it is a self appraisal.
>
>I guess it takes one to know one
>
Oh, so every law enforcement agent is a criminal? Every person that recognizes
a doctor is also a doctor? Following your logic, these are the natural
outcomes.
Do you have any words that you can think with or are they all horrifying
cliches?
>>
>> Again, where is the dealer that is willing to say they appraised the
>> collection?\
>
>Again, where does it state in the ad it was appraised for $24000?
>>
He said it in this thread. He also said he worked at a coin shop. Why he would
need an appraisal is a mystery... Except that his credibility needed bolstering
and he forgot that in the ad he stated that he had worked for a coin shop.
Is it your position that since it was not in the ad that it does not count?
>> The one thing I really like is that the seller claims to be ex-law
>enforcement.
>> Many scammers make that claim. It is not impersonating an officer to say
>that
>> you once were one. I say prove who the seller is and what law enforcement
>> agency he worked for. (And where is that retired dealer that appraised this
>> mess?)
>> I have plenty of money to pay for the deal in cash, and I do buy huge
>amounts
>> of coins and currency because I am a dealer.
>
>I'm sure you are, dealing in ?????
>
Coins, but I understand your implication. That is twice now that you have cast
untoward aspersions on my character. You have no basis in fact to make any such
allegations. You do not even have a rumor to go on. First it was the bad vial
of crack, now it is dealing in something other than coins with the intention of
making it look like I deal something illegal or shady.
I think the whole ng can see who has what on their mind.
>> The problem here is that I can spout off as much as the next guy
>
>True, true
>
>> And I'm a liar
>
>Very true
>
>
Those are not faithfully reported quotes of mine. The words are all yours, and
ring true as a reflection of you.
The sentence you chopped up and remade interspersed with your own lies about me
was originally:
<<<The problem here is that I can spot a liar when I see one. I see two here,
Tony
and the seller. They are the same person anyway. >>>
You did not deny the truth of my statement, and anyone in law enforcement will
tell you that failure to deny a statement of fact that a reasonable person
would deny if it were not true is a tacit admission that the statement is true.
You had an opportunity to be heard. You were so busy trying to be cute or
outwit the group that you proved your own identity as the seller by failing to
deny the truth. I see this as you outwitting yourself. That happens to people
who tell lies. The more lies you tell, the quicker you defeat yourself.
So, since you owned a coin shop for what, 15 years or so, and now only collect
US proof and mint sets, what do you know about coins? <sarcastic snicker>
At least you can beat yourself at your own game, and you do have a sucker that
has met and exceeded the reserve.
Of course, if the buyer feels like he took too much of a beating on this deal,
$21,000+ is enough to turn heads of law enforcement people all accross 'Merika.
When any material lie that induced the bidder is found, then a case for wire
fraud (on account of that doo-hickey being hooked up to the internet) is
possible. Last I recollect, the maximum fine was $250,000 and a max of five
years up the river. If there is more than one person involved, then I think it
goes to a million dollar fine and ten years inside, but hey, I am not a lawyer.
I am merely a rocket scientist.
I do know that you better insure it. And if you tell Fed X or UPS that there is
money inside, they won't insure it. (So you probably will lie to get the lower
rates that they charge instead of USPS rates.)
Remember, insure it for all it is worth... maybe $5000 to $7500.
Tony
> >> Who the hell died and left you idiots as the newsgroup kings? Let the
> >> guy post his damn auction and leave him alone. If you don't like what
> >> he is selling or how he is selling it, don't bid on it. In case you
> >> haven't heard, this is America.
> >> What a jerk>>>
> >>
> >> Spoken like a true sock puppet.
> >
> >And the mirror speaks.
> >
>
> So to whom do I belong as a sockpuppet? I am no one's puppet. I can run over
> you barefoot.
Sure doesn't look that way
> I am not trying to sell that auction. I think you and the seller are thieves.
> (or a single thief, to be more nearly precise)
No, I don't care if the auction sells or not, I only gave the seller
the benefit of the auction since I didn't see the collection in
person, unlike you and your merry witch hunt.
>
> >>
> >> <<<I collect US Proof and Mint sets only these days. I owned a very large
> >> coin shop in the 70's and early 80's until it was stuck by a large
> >> fire destroying everything. I was fortunate to walk away with a few
> >> dollars and retire young.
> >>
> >> Tony>>>
> >>
> >> I bet you can't prove you owned a shop in the 70's and 80's, puppet.
> >
> >Here we go with the betting again. You have already shown you don't
> >back your bets.
> >
>
> 'Skuse me, but I never made a bet with you, and when I do bet, I pay if I > lose.
Oh, must have been one of your clones.
>
> >>
> >> >>>Hey Tony, just how old are you? And how are you retired at 13?
> >>
> >> Obviously much older then most of you who are acting like little
> children.>>>
> >>
> >> Do you mean "than" rather than then, then? How is that grammar and spelling
> >> coming along? LOL
> >
> >Much better, at least you don't sound retarded while typing.
> >
> >>
> >> >>>>BTW Tony, what was that addy you posted under here a few times years
> ago?
> >> Never
> >> did say..>>>
The same one you didn't say, gee, hmmmmm
> >
> >The same one as today....
>
> Nope, you are a newly made up addy. Of course, I might retract that if you show
> us a few of your previous posts from a year or two ago? How about that coin
> shop? Where was it? Who do you know? I have seen easy pickings, but you fall
> right off the bone. Stick a fork in him folks, he is done. (I know how much you
> like a cliche...)
Again, look in the mirror. Another psudo-id from AOL
>
> >> Tony, I gotta tell ya, there are several dozen MENSA eligible people here
> among
> >> the posters.
> >
> >I can see that. Busy bitching about what others are doing instead of
> >worrying about themselves.
> >
>
> Why worry? Smart people make adjustments instead.
Practice what you preach
> Further, I suppose you think
> it is all right for you to cheat, lie, steal, kill, rape or whatever you want
> and that everyone ought to stay out of your "business." Well, you are not part
> of the seller's business, right? So what are you doing in it? Me? I feel I have
> the right to get involved and keep the process fair and honest. So, you can
> butt out now because what I write about the seller is none of your concern, is
> it?
I only got into it because you and your merry little band of idiots
decided to make accusations which you can not substantiate. Just like
you have been doing to me. As far as I can see from the posts, you
haven't looked at the collection personally, nor has you merry little
band of clones. You make false accusations about me and don't know me.
And so on and so on
> >> Many more are lurking. You are not that smart and neither is the
> >> seller for whom you are a sock. If you do not know that fortuitous is a
> word,
> >> then why not do the adult thing and look it up before you correct a person
> that
> >> can write and knows proper grammar?
> >
> >If you paid as much attention to your spelling and grammar as you
> >worry about what others are doing, you would be the national spelling
> >bee champ.
> >
>
> Which has what relationship with the statement I made? You pointed out how
> Larry did not know what word he was looking for. What a laugh. Most of the rest
> of the posters here knew the word existed, what it meant and how it was used
> properly. How does it feel to be the "slow learner" on this ng? All you were
> doing was making up grammar. Pretending you "knew" something that you didn't
> know. Like pretending that the seller never stated that he got an appraisal
> because it is not in the ad. You still do not see how transparant this all is,
> do you?
Again, look in the mirror. You accuse me of doing all things you are
doing.
>
> Again, what business is this auction of yours that you should have a part in
> the discussion? Why should you worry about what gets written here? It isn't
> your ox that is being gored, is it?
Exactly, what business is it of yours? Who appointed you supreme
keeper of mankind? I didn't see you in the picture of The Last Supper.
> >No, I am not a puppet as you and your buddies are. I have a mind of my
> >own, I don't have to share one.
> >
>
> Me? A puppet? Hahaha
Yes, it appears that the glass slipper fits
>
> >> Calling anyone meaningless names like "jerk" and spouting off how this is
> >> "America" is not exactly mature behavior.
> >
> >If the shoe fits...
> >
>
> You picked the shoe out, sockpuppy. Cobble it and hobble in it well.
>
> > Further, you say if we do not like
> >> the seller's auctions, we should shut up and let him work. I guess if I see
> you
> >> being robbed, I won't call "law enforcement" because the robbers are doing
> >> their job and no one should question their motives. If you do not like they
> way
> >> they are robbing you, go get robbed elsewhere?
> >
> >All I said is give the guy the benefit of the doubt.
>
> No, you called people names and were very rude from your very first posts.
AND YOU HAVEN'T? You have been spewing nothing but false accusations
and name calling in everyone of your posts!
> You
> refuse to answer direct questions (like the appraisal from the retired dealer)
> and cannot handle the easiest of questions.
And again and again and again, the auction had no statements that
there was an appraisal. The post said something like the conservative
apprasial was less than the $24000
Tell ya what, send me $24,000 and I
> will send you some coins. No? Why can't I get the benefit of the doubt from
> you? What do you mean asking me all these questions before you send me the
> money? How dare you want to know what year the proof sets are!!
I will be happy to. Give me your address and I will stop by and look
at the collection. If I feel it is worth $24000, I'll give you a
check. If I am that interested in purchasing something for that value,
I'll hop on a plane, spend the $98 on US Air and look at the item
personally. I purchased two cars in other states that way and had no
problem.
> None of you have
> >actually looked at the collection to make a determination.
>
> I do not have to see the title to the George Washington bridge to know you do
> not own it, do I?
Again, you still don't know but you are quick to spew the accusations.
>
> You just
> >sit back and accuse and point fingers.
> >
>
> I pointed out facts. I guess facts frighten and confuse you.
Again, you still don't know but you are quick to spew the accusations.
> >> As Larry said, when you say
> >> jerk, it is a self appraisal.
> >
> >I guess it takes one to know one
> >
>
> Oh, so every law enforcement agent is a criminal? Every person that recognizes
> a doctor is also a doctor? Following your logic, these are the natural
> outcomes.
Now you are back with your anti-law enforcement sentiment. Go look in
the mirror and hate yourself for a while.
>
> Do you have any words that you can think with or are they all horrifying
> cliches?
Gee, what a surprise, more negative comments
>
> >>
> >> Again, where is the dealer that is willing to say they appraised the
> >> collection?\
> >
> >Again, where does it state in the ad it was appraised for $24000?
> >>
>
> He said it in this thread. He also said he worked at a coin shop. Why he would
> need an appraisal is a mystery... Except that his credibility needed bolstering
> and he forgot that in the ad he stated that he had worked for a coin shop.
> Is it your position that since it was not in the ad that it does not count?
Who knows when he worked in a coin shop? Did he work there as a kid
and has been out of collecting for most of his adult life? Did he just
quit yesterday? And again, attacking someone's credibility when you do
not know the person. How like you and your clones.
>
> >> The one thing I really like is that the seller claims to be ex-law
> enforcement.
> >> Many scammers make that claim. It is not impersonating an officer to say
> that
> >> you once were one. I say prove who the seller is and what law enforcement
> >> agency he worked for. (And where is that retired dealer that appraised this
> >> mess?)
> >> I have plenty of money to pay for the deal in cash, and I do buy huge
> amounts
> >> of coins and currency because I am a dealer.
> >
> >I'm sure you are, dealing in ?????
> >
>
> Coins, but I understand your implication. That is twice now that you have cast
> untoward aspersions on my character. You have no basis in fact to make any such
> allegations. You do not even have a rumor to go on. First it was the bad vial
> of crack, now it is dealing in something other than coins with the intention of
> making it look like I deal something illegal or shady.
> I think the whole ng can see who has what on their mind.
You stated you were a dealer, i.e.
>>I have plenty of money to pay for the deal in cash, and I do buy
huge amounts of coins and currency because I am a dealer.>>
Just asking what kind of dealer you were? Look again at your
statement. And again, you certainly don't like the "false" accusations
and inuendos but are quick to throw them at the seller, myself and
anyone else who opposes your negative comments.
>
> >> The problem here is that I can spout off as much as the next guy
> >
> >True, true
> >
> >> And I'm a liar
> >
> >Very true
> >
> >
>
> Those are not faithfully reported quotes of mine. The words are all yours, and
> ring true as a reflection of you.
And you
> You did not deny the truth of my statement, and anyone in law enforcement will
> tell you that failure to deny a statement of fact that a reasonable person
> would deny if it were not true is a tacit admission that the statement is true.
Oh please, save your comic book law school theories for the rest of
your clones.
> You had an opportunity to be heard. You were so busy trying to be cute or
> outwit the group that you proved your own identity as the seller by failing to
> deny the truth.
Then you must be a drug dealer? Look at YOUR statement: >>I have
plenty of money to pay for the deal in cash, and I do buy huge amounts
of coins and currency because I am a dealer.>>
People with your narrow mind would look at that statement and think
you are money laundering or engaging in other questionable activities.
I don't draw those conclusions, but others may.
> I see this as you outwitting yourself. That happens to people
> who tell lies. The more lies you tell, the quicker you defeat yourself.
Then if that were true, you were defeated with your first post!
> So, since you owned a coin shop for what, 15 years or so, and now only collect
> US proof and mint sets, what do you know about coins? <sarcastic snicker>
>
> At least you can beat yourself at your own game, and you do have a sucker that
> has met and exceeded the reserve.
Again, here we go with the false accusations. You are a dealer in
what? You state you have large quantities of cash on hand? hmmmmm
> Of course, if the buyer feels like he took too much of a beating on this deal,
> $21,000+ is enough to turn heads of law enforcement people all accross 'Merika.
> When any material lie that induced the bidder is found, then a case for wire
> fraud (on account of that doo-hickey being hooked up to the internet) is
> possible. Last I recollect, the maximum fine was $250,000 and a max of five
> years up the river. If there is more than one person involved, then I think it
> goes to a million dollar fine and ten years inside, but hey, I am not a lawyer.
> I am merely a rocket scientist.
Yea, I pick up the paper every day and see those types of cases being
prosecuted every day. Let's see, interstate travel and lodging for the
victim and suspect, court orders, search and seizure warrants, court
approved experts, travel, pay and expenses for those experts, lots and
lots of manpower hours, and so on. That should be about quadruple the
$21,000. I see lots of law enforcement agencies jumping on that one.
And if the collection ends up to be worth more than $21,000, lots of
pissed off D.A.'s, cops, etc.
> I do know that you better insure it.
For someone like you who is a "dealer" and has a "business" that deals
in large quantities of cash, I guess you would know. Or is it too
dangerous to use common carriers for your "business" these days?
Phil DeMayo
>Oh, must have been one of your clones.
>Again, look in the mirror. Another psudo-id from AOL
Tony, speaking of clones and pseudo IDs, perhaps you can tell me why the
headers for your messages show the same exact NNTP posting host as recent posts
by frequent RCC poster Paul Robertz???
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From: tonyc...@yahoo.com (Tony)
Newsgroups: rec.collecting.coins
Subject: Re: GIANT Lifetime Collection of US & Misc. Coins - E-Bay Item
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Date: 28 Dec 2002 12:58:55 -0800
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From: pjro...@aol.com (Paul Robertz)
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Subject: Re: What was this guy thinking?
Date: 22 Dec 2002 01:15:56 -0800
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I'm not liking what I'm thinking here ;-(
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Phil DeMayo - always here for my fellow Stooge
When bidding online always sit on your helmet
Just say NO to counterfeits