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Jared Lee Loughner on "New Currency" --> Person who shot Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords

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Arizona Coin Collector

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Jan 9, 2011, 10:53:19 AM1/9/11
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Hello

Jared Lee Loughner on "New Currency". This is the
young 22 year old that shot Arizona Democratic
Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords. Check out the
"YOUTUBE" link shown below. It may not stay up
very long.

I also notice his middle name is the same as
"Lee Harvey Oswald". That is odd.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fm3XHzWPL4M

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--- snip ---

FROM:
http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2011/01/09/20110109jared-lee-loughner-gabrielle-giffords-arizona-shooting.html

Afterward, Loughner continued posting angry rants
about the college on YouTube and expanded his
wrath to focus on the government. Loughner posted
angry messages about government mind control, a
new currency and his concern over what he
described as illiteracy.

--- snip ---

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Charles Kimbrough

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Jan 9, 2011, 11:25:18 AM1/9/11
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"Frank Provasek" <fr...@frankcoins.com> wrote in message
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> The latest spin among the right wingers on Fox is that Loughner was a
> LIBERAL who had intended to shoot the Republican judge, and that
> Giffords was not the target. That excuse falls apart when you realize
> that Giffords was shot in the head point blank, and that there was no
> pubblic announcement in advance that the judge would even be at the
> event.


Damn right! Why, everyone knows those filthy libruls all list 'Mein Kampf'
and 'Atlas shrugged' as their favorite books, as this nut did!

Everyone knows those filthy libruls are always whining about those who can't
speak English, as this nut incessantly did!

Everyone knows those filthy libruls are always parroting Glenn dreck's
paranoid idiocy about gold, as this nut did!

How big of a disingenuous POS must one be before one
denies one's own and defends rightard domestic terrorism?

Clarence Dupnik, the Pima County sheriff said, it's time for the country,and
especially you POS rightard morans defending domestic terrorism, to, "...do
a little soul searching.

Dupnick continued, ""It's not unusual for all public officials to get
threats constantly, myself included," Dupnik said. "That's the sad thing
about what's going on in America: Pretty soon we're not going to be able to
find reasonable, decent people willing to subject themselves to serve in
public office."

Sad, indeed. But that's what happens when idiots stir up the lunatics with
lies.

This comes hard on the hells of the rightard domestic terrorist mail
bombings, all of which were sent to Democrats ONLY.

There's been a lot of right wing domestic terrorism lately. You want to know
the cause of all of rightard wing domestic terrorism, rightards? Look in the
mirror.

Witness the shameful litany of hate and terrorism you rightards have
created, and from just this past year. I hope you're all proud.

Rand Paul's whiny ass tea bagger brown shirt thugs face criminal charges for
beating up a young woman.

Joe Brown's whiny ass tea bagger brown shirts lose him the election by
illegally detaining a credentialed reporter who had the temerity to ask
whiny ass tea bagger Joe a question.

White powder and swastikas mailed to Rep. Grijalva. On October 21

Rightard domestic terrorist Byron Williams, inspired by Glenn Beck, shot a
bunch of cops on his way to murder people at the Tides Foundation and ACLU.

An Arizona judge was threatened and an AZ Congressman's office was shot up
by a rightard domestic terrorist in reponse to a negative ruling on AZ new's
Nazi law.

A rightard whiny ass tea bagger domestic terrorist was indicted for making
death threats against the same AZ Congressman.

A rightard whiny ass tea bagger domestic terrorist was arrested for
threatening the life of Senator Patty Murray.

The rightard domestic terrorist hate group Hutaree was arrested for plotting
bombings and shootings as part of a plan to violently overthrow the
government.

A rightard whiny ass tea bagger domestic terrorist shot and killed Bill
Gwatney ,
the head of the Arkansas democratic party

A rightard whiny ass tea bagger domestic terrorist was arrested for
threatening the life of Nancy Pelosi.

A rightard whiny ass tea bagger domestic terrorist threatened the life of a
CO Democratic lawmaker.

A rightard whiny ass tea bagger domestic terrorist tried to blow up Tom
Perillo by cutting his gas line, but hit the wrong house after the wrong
address was posted a rightard whiny ass tea bagger blog.

A rightard whiny ass tea bagger domestic terrorist made death threats
against a MI Congressman and President Obama.

A rightard whiny ass tea bagger domestic terrorist sent a noose to James
Clyburn (D-SC), a hero of the civil rights movement.

A Democratic Party headquarters in NY was attacked by a rightard whiny ass
tea bagger domestic terrorist.

A rightard whiny ass tea bagger domestic terrorist treated the life of
Louise Slaughter (D-NY).

A rightard whiny ass tea bagger domestic terrorist sent white powder and
threats to Congressman Anthony Weiner.

A Democratic Congressman, Steve Driehaus (D-OH), received numerous death
threats after a rightard whiny ass tea bagger domestic terrorist blogger
published his home address and encouraged other rightard whiny ass tea
bagger domestic terrorists to show up at his house.

Democratic offices in Wichita were attacked after rightard whiny ass tea
bagger domestic terrorist Mike Vanderboegh of Pinson, Ala., former leader of
the Alabama Constitutional Militia put a call to attack Democratic offices.

A rightarded loonytoonian flew his plane into IRS offices in Austin to
protest Obama's
tax increases, even though 40% of the stimulus money went to LOWERING
payroll taxes.

And that's all just in the last year. On and on and on it goes, sadly. I
hope you rightarded whiny ass tea baggers are proud of yourselves.


Arizona Coin Collector

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Jan 9, 2011, 11:42:17 AM1/9/11
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"Charles Kimbrough" <ckimb...@pacifictelesis.net> wrote in message
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> "Frank Provasek" <fr...@frankcoins.com> wrote in message
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Hello

The other YOUTUBE video's want stay up very long.

I was checking out his other YOUTUBE VIDEOS. It does appear he was
a "LONE WOLF". I am more interested in the other person they are seeking
right now. I am just guessing but the other person could be the owner of
the gun that was used.


..

Jerry Dennis

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Jan 9, 2011, 11:52:54 AM1/9/11
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EVERYTHING SNIPPED!

It was a good article on the "new currency," but you HAD to ruin it by
cross-posting and getting every extreme political idiot (left AND
right) in their respective newsgroups to start ranting. This post is
never going to die, like the current "Obama is an Arab" reference.
SHAME ON YOU, AZ! You know better.

Jerry
Chastising

Hughee99

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Jan 9, 2011, 1:06:45 PM1/9/11
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Yes, there are any number of reasons a mentally unstable person would do
such a thing, but why waste this opportunity to blame Palin, Beck, the lack
of the fairness doctrine, and gun control laws before we find out the truth
"Arizona Coin Collector" Prehaps he has a obsession with Giffords like Mark
David Chapman had on Jodie Foster.


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Pepe Le Jew

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Jan 9, 2011, 2:26:24 PM1/9/11
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In article <igcnh3$81f$1...@speranza.aioe.org>,
"Charles Kimbrough" <ckimb...@pacifictelesis.net> wrote:

> "Frank Provasek" <fr...@frankcoins.com> wrote in message
> news:2f1e14dd-2e33-49f9...@u3g2000vbj.googlegroups.com...
> > The latest spin among the right wingers on Fox is that Loughner was a
> > LIBERAL who had intended to shoot the Republican judge, and that
> > Giffords was not the target. That excuse falls apart when you realize
> > that Giffords was shot in the head point blank, and that there was no
> > pubblic announcement in advance that the judge would even be at the
> > event.
>
>
> Damn right! Why, everyone knows those filthy libruls all list 'Mein Kampf'
> and 'Atlas shrugged' as their favorite books, as this nut did!

If you're referencing his list of favorite books, you're wrong:

"I had favorite books: Animal Farm, Brave New World, The Wizard Of OZ,
Aesop Fables, The Odyssey, Alice Adventures Into Wonderland, Fahrenheit
451, Peter Pan, To Kill A Mockingbird, We The Living, Phantom Toll
Booth, One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest, Pulp,Through The Looking Glass,
The Communist Manifesto, Siddhartha, The Old Man And The Sea, Gulliver's
Travels, Mein Kampf, The Republic, and Meno."

No Atlas Shrugged, but there is the Communist Manifesto, oddly enough.

Burns1

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Jan 9, 2011, 2:55:16 PM1/9/11
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Go away Provasek you left wing freak!! He is one of yours!!

SachaBlue

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Jan 9, 2011, 3:05:11 PM1/9/11
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Blame, Blame, Blame.......how quickly the Left forgets !

The rhetoric STARTS from the top.

It was Obama, who, before, the mid-term elections,
on his never-ending campaign trail, referred to,
Republicans, Conservatives, Tea Party and anyone, who dare question him,
as "ENEMIES".

A true LEADER unites...does NOT purposely divide.
A true leader sets HIGH standards, NOT blatant barricades.

Obama deserves much blame...
He rattles & rolls, whichever way, he pleases...without consequence nor
care.

The WEAK media gives him a pass...never questioning his words & lack of
wisdom---
never questioning, their own sad, pathetic lack of journalistic integrity.

NO other President would make such a NASTY, public attack, on the citizenry
and get away with it......as easily, as Obama !

It is BIG, abrasives mouths, like MSNBC'S Ed Schultz,
who just this past week, promised to take down "The Bastards",
naming Boehner and the Republicans, every night, on his hateful program.
HE should have been fired, on spot.
MSNBC IS the PRIME, INCLUSIVE, breeding ground for hate.

It was the classless, Ms. Behar, who called Sharon Angle, the "B" word,
incessantly, without ANY scorn from ABC executives.
That show is the "ARMPIT" of the network, it has disgraced the Disney name
and the man, himself.

Ironically, the trouble with the Left, is they think, they are RIGHT about
everything.

The trouble with the Right is, they let the Left carry on far TOO long,
without proper
response and stranglehold.

The TEA PARTY is the voice, that INSISTS on accountability & responsibility
and will keep ALL in check...on behalf of their loyalty & love for AMERICA.

The Tea Party is the "CONSCIENCE" of the Constitution & our Founding Fathers
and all who have died, for their country.

In a world of "Cause & Effect"-
Bully Liberals have been flaunting their outrageous "causes", for years...
never contemplating the "effect"........the American Tea Party.

Consider a game of "Dodgeball"---
the TEA PARTY...now....HOLDS the ball......permanently & forever !

It will ONLY get STRONGER
It is NOT going anywhere.....It is here to STAY....GET used to it !

Ask any soldier or person, who has lived overseas,
the first thing, they will tell you, upon returning to the states,
is they fear America, herself, is fast erupting, into a TINDERBOX.
Take it from them, seriously......they have seen & experienced such strife.

It is time for ALL responsible people & the MEDIA,
to get their ACT together...point fingers, at yourself, before denigrating
others.

Companies, that own these "loose cannon" networks,
need to sweep them free & clean, of LOUD mouths, only out for personal gain
& "glory",
Start with a clean sheet of paper....or walk AWAY completely,
from the business,
of cheap, tawdry, race-baiting mania !
If you can't do a decent, truthful, respectable job.......DON'T do it at all
!

MSNBC is seething, upon learning O'Reilly & Fox News has secured the Obama
interview,
to take place, before the Super Bowl---
it gives them MORE gasoline......to throw on the fire........ARSONISTS at
large !

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TimWI

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Jan 9, 2011, 3:13:37 PM1/9/11
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Although he didnt cause the shooting I think if we want to talk about toning
things down the first place to start is with Barack Obama. The reason the
last election happened is because Barack forgot that in the US we have a
leader and not a king or a dictator. He still intends to rule us as if the
rule of law, the people we elect, and we ourselves have no say in this
country. He still intends to go around the constitution and avoid the rule
of law and rule by edict. He still intends to use a small group of radical
cohorts to impose and create a new America. Barack Obama is ruling this
country through violence- the violence of absolute power. He also has an
absolute lack of ability to censor his statements when not on teleprompter
and frequently blurts out angry and violent statements that you would expect
to hear from a low level negro activist in the streets. Barack Obama didn�t
cause the mentally unstable young man to shoot anyone but he is certainly
responsible for the state of discorse in this country.

Gorgo

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Jan 9, 2011, 3:22:54 PM1/9/11
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It is inane to blame the tea party, or Glen Beck, or Sarah Palin for this
shooting. It is mental illness that caused this shooting. Indeed, evidence
is that the shooter was a liberal, and targetted a REPUBLICAN Judge. While
arguments can be made that the shooter leaned more this way or that on
politics, there is no evidence those politics had any part in motivating the
shooting. I strongly believe the reason the victims included a Congress
woman and a Federal judge is because they represented the evil governent to
the delusional shooter. This is indicated by the fact that the Congresswoman
was a Democrat and the judge a Republican. Their political affiliations
meant nothing to the shooter. That they were part of the goverment meant
everything.

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RTHTGakaRoland

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Jan 9, 2011, 5:04:52 PM1/9/11
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Gifford's shooting is too convenient for Obama & Co. as the national debate
is steamrolling them and his legasy legislation is facing repeal. Just when
Obama & Co need to change the topic & have something to demagogue against
the Tea Party and the republican majority, Gifford is shot.

Gifford, although a Dem, is not a lockstep one. Indeed, Obama & Co. could
have expected her to defect on many upcoming votes and issues. Why would we
expect Obama & Co. to treat potential defectors any differently than other
tyrants have? I believe this is a false flag operation like 9/11 but instead
of blaming the Iraqis, this time the Tea Party will be blamed.

Mary Waterton

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Jan 9, 2011, 5:29:31 PM1/9/11
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Never mind that Loughner killed a conservative republican federal judge and
others. Never mind that his favorite book list includes "Mein Kampf" and
"The Communist Manifesto", both required reading for leftist radicals. All
that matters is that he shot a liberal democrat, therefore he is a "tea
bagger" or a so-called "white supremacist" This is the accusation being
thrown out there by the liberal news media, MSNBC, CBS, ABC, etc

Mark Jaddi

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Jan 9, 2011, 5:33:05 PM1/9/11
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Whether it is with ACORN and trying to take them down, or McConnell and his
mission to remove Obama from office, or Palin and her tea partiers using
guns and other violent imagery, the message is loud and clear, this is not
an intellectual debate, but a World Wrestling Federation match where you
sling mud and verbal abuse at your opponent to take him out of action.
Disgusting.

Obuchowski@kgun.com Elsa Obuchowski

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Jan 9, 2011, 5:36:58 PM1/9/11
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"Charles Kimbrough" <ckimb...@pacifictelesis.net> wrote in message
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> "Frank Provasek" <fr...@frankcoins.com> wrote in message
> news:2f1e14dd-2e33-49f9...@u3g2000vbj.googlegroups.com...
>> The latest spin among the right wingers on Fox is that Loughner was a
>> LIBERAL who had intended to shoot the Republican judge, and that
>> Giffords was not the target. That excuse falls apart when you realize
>> that Giffords was shot in the head point blank, and that there was no
>> pubblic announcement in advance that the judge would even be at the
>> event.
>
>
> Damn right! Why, everyone knows those filthy libruls all list 'Mein Kampf'
> and 'Atlas shrugged' as their favorite books, as this nut did!

Every American needs to be reminded of the right-wing propaganda machine's
role in inciting this unspeakably evil person to commit this crime.

Isn't it interesting how the commentators on the right are characterizing
the shooter as disturbed, liberal, mentally ill, unhinged, etc. While this
may be true (to what degree we really don't know yet), the fact remains that
political discourse is counterproductive to the goals of a democratic
society when it stirs up irrational fear, hatred, and violence

Omammy Sucks

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Jan 9, 2011, 5:54:53 PM1/9/11
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Liberals fear Palin because she represents good and patriotism.....they fear
her because they know if she runs for pres, this illegal muzzzlome will be
booted back to kenya with his America Hating wife

airborneinfvet

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Jan 9, 2011, 5:57:35 PM1/9/11
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It's sadly humorous to see all the rabid scrambling liberal morons trying to
push blame anywhere but on them. This murderer has already come to light as:

1. A registered DEMOCRAT
2. A far left extremist who's favorite books were Mein Kampf and the
Communist Manifesto
3. Mentally unstable.

The key here, even though he's in your liberal sinking ship with you (maybe
you should use him as an anchor because the proof is there that he is 100%
liberal) is that he is mentally unstable. Nobody forced this idiot to do
what he did, not even you scumbag liberals. Mentally damaged or not, he did
this on his own dime, which is the thing you poxy liberals hate the most
because usually the murderers in your bucket are all in the slums and inner
city areas where you like to keep them while you feed them our money.

Chas Edwards

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Jan 9, 2011, 6:01:42 PM1/9/11
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On Jan 9, 11:25 am, "Charles Kimbrough"

<ckimbro...@pacifictelesis.net> wrote:
> "Frank Provasek" <fr...@frankcoins.com> wrote in message
>
> news:2f1e14dd-2e33-49f9...@u3g2000vbj.googlegroups.com...
>
> > The latest spin among the right wingers on Fox is that Loughner was a
> > LIBERAL who had intended to shoot the Republican judge, and that
> > Giffords was not the target.  That excuse falls apart when you realize
> > that Giffords was shot in the head point blank, and that there was no
> > pubblic announcement in advance that the judge would even be at the
> > event.
>
> Damn right! Why, everyone knows those filthy libruls all list 'Mein Kampf'
> and 'Atlas shrugged' as their favorite books, as this nut did!
>
> Everyone knows those filthy libruls are always whining about those who can't
> speak English, as this nut incessantly did!
>
> Everyone knows those filthy libruls are always parroting Glenn dreck's
> paranoid idiocy about gold, as this nut did!
>
> How big of a disingenuous POS must one be before one
> denies one's own and defends rightard domestic terrorism?

[rest snipped]

Your message is heartwarming, as always. Please be careful, however,
as your keeper may catch you using his computer.

This looks like Frank "Proved to be Sick" using another of his endless
aliases.

Brooke7777

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Jan 9, 2011, 6:02:18 PM1/9/11
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Only a matter of time till the left wing machine would kick in. Remember
Oklahoma? Bill Clinton did the same thing, tring to blame patriots on the
right for it. It only it took him a day or so. Now it's instantaeous. Very
sad


Steve

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Jan 9, 2011, 6:13:02 PM1/9/11
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Any excuse for the Democrats to throw attention away from their
incompetence and failures. Change the subject, Draw attention away
from the high unemployment, raising prices and repeal of obamacare.
It's not just "Bush's" fault anymore, now it's all the media's and
Republicans fault also. The kid last week that killed a VP and shot
the principal, was that Sarahs fault too?

Pepe Le Jew

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Jan 9, 2011, 6:23:10 PM1/9/11
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In article <igdd9u$uhf$1...@speranza.aioe.org>,


There are laws which address your concerns, but one gets the feeling
your solution goes further with some further regulation of political
speech, specifically that from the right.

This is predicated on the assumption that the shooter was motivated by
right-wing political speech, when there is no evidence to date of any
physical or obvious ideological connection with with any conservative
politician or public figure. Isn't it interesting how the commentators
on the left are characterizing the shooter as right wing?

Pepe Le Jew

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Jan 9, 2011, 6:53:22 PM1/9/11
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In article <igdeph$28d$1...@speranza.aioe.org>,
"Brooke7777" <brook...@foxnation.com> wrote:

If the guy's name was "Mohammed", the narrative would be "don't rush to
judgement".

Bremick

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Jan 9, 2011, 7:59:08 PM1/9/11
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"Omammy Sucks" <omamm...@foxnation.com> wrote in message
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> Liberals fear Palin because she represents good and patriotism.....they
> fear her because they know if she runs for pres, this illegal muzzzlome
> will be booted back to kenya with his America Hating wife

In fact, many liberals would salivate over a Palin presidential prospect
because they believe she represents sarcasm, naivet�, and ignorance....and a
sure win. With a bevy of handlers constantly winding the key on her back,
adjusting the flag she drapes around her, and explaining her mis-speaks, she
would be laughed out of the primaries should she ever make it that far.


Bluesfan2U

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Jan 9, 2011, 8:06:14 PM1/9/11
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TimWI wrote:
> Although he didnt cause the shooting I think if we want to talk about
> toning things down the first place to start is with Barack Obama. The
> reason the last election happened is because Barack forgot that in the
> US we have a leader and not a king or a dictator. He still intends to
> rule us as if the rule of law, the people we elect, and we ourselves
> have no say in this country. He still intends to go around the
> constitution and avoid the rule of law and rule by edict. He still
> intends to use a small group of radical cohorts to impose and create a
> new America. Barack Obama is ruling this country through violence- the
> violence of absolute power. He also has an absolute lack of ability to
> censor his statements when not on teleprompter and frequently blurts out
> angry and violent statements that you would expect to hear from a low
> level negro activist in the streets. Barack Obama didn’t cause the
> mentally unstable young man to shoot anyone but he is certainly
> responsible for the state of discorse in this country.
>


Here is another one!

Frank Provasek

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Jan 9, 2011, 9:03:39 PM1/9/11
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On Jan 9, 5:01 pm, Chas Edwards <chas....@comcast.net> wrote:>

>.This looks like Frank "Proved to be Sick" using another of his endless
> aliases.

Not at all, Edwards. It was Arizona Coin Collector who crossposted his
comment into the Arizona
political newsgroups, and has resulted in a steady stream of responses
in rec.collecting.coins.

But it's interesting that in 24 hours, the narrative from the right
wing has become "the shooter was a liberal nut."

The source of that spin seems to be the disturbing memo published by
Judson Phillips, founder of the Tea Party Nation.

It was immediately clear that the TP supporters (Like Rush's
dittoheads) are simply parroting what thet have been told to say and
think. In his memo, Phillips urged his Tea Party supporters to blame
liberals for the attack.

“The hard left is going to try and silence the Tea Party movement by
blaming us for this. Clinton used the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing to
“blame conservative talk radio, especially Rush Limbaugh” and “The
tactic worked then, backing conservatives off and possibly helping to
ensure a second Clinton term. The left is coming and will hit us hard
on this. We need to push back harder with the simple truth. The
shooter was a liberal lunatic. Emphasis on both words.”

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Music4Fun

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Jan 10, 2011, 1:02:39 AM1/10/11
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ITS NOT ABOUT REPUBLICAN? AND DEMOCRAT BECAUSE MOST PEOPLE DONT BELONG TO A
POLITICAL PARTY . AND IM SURE THE LEFT HAS BULLS EYES ON THE RIGHT , SO WHY
USE THE DEATHS AND MURDER OF PEOPLE TO ATTACK THE TEA PARTY, ITS NOT RIGHT
TO ATTACK ANY CLASS OF PEOPLE , THATS THE SAD TRUTH ABOUT POLITICS ,PEOPLE
JUST GET MEAN AND NASTY ! BUT FROM WAHT I HEAR IS THIS KIDS POLITICAL
IDEOLOGY HAD TO DO WITH HIS LOVE FOR COMMUNISM AND HITLER WHICH IS LIBERAL
TRAITS... SO I DONT THINK YOU SHOULD USE THIS TO ATTACK PALLIN OR ANYONE !

Jymie Lynn Darling

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Jan 10, 2011, 1:18:59 AM1/10/11
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Right Wings had nothing to do it you jackwagons. He actually had communist
rhetoric as was first reported. Dear gods, get your selves an education. At
the end of the day, he was a disturbed individual that had nothing to do
with the right wing anything...in fact, his rhetoric was more liberal than
anything. Blame a president whose ideology is so polarized that it has
violently divided a nation...if you simply cannot accept he was just a
disturbed individual. Instead of banding together as a country in the mist
of tragedy, we point fingers....I am included as I simply am becoming
disgusted by the lowest form of IQ in this country. Let us all give away our
freedoms (I am a vet and I fought for them) in the name of 'security', let
us give away AMERICAN rights to invading criminals while denying basic needs
to our own in the name of 'caring'....and in the end, let us all eye each
other off with hatred and turn on each other....afterall, that is the
communist manifesto of controlling people is it not? Hitler did it quite
well. I only blame Obama because he should be in front of this liberal
'media' (term used lightly for the propoganda machines) and try to heal this
nation not 'getting to the bottom' of something by vaguely pointing fingers
at the other side. We have two parties...well three now. Why? Because it is
the Democratic way...otherwise it is COMMUNISM and DICTATORSHIP. I realize
that most of you are not educated in political science anymore in school and
most of your idealism comes from the TV and from the propaganda handed out
by both political parties...but for a moment....stop and think....just for a
minute.

Schmuck281

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Jan 10, 2011, 1:25:28 AM1/10/11
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There is nothing that we know about the shooter that would indicate that he
was upset with immigration, healthcare or any connectio between him and the
Tea Party, Fox News, Sara Palin or any other cause or grievence.

If you remember there was a member of the Democratic Underground that shot a
cop in Red Bluff Ca back when Bush was President in order to "start the
insurrection".

He was inspired by the anti-Bush rhetoric, which was far, far more bellicose
than anythinng the "right" has said.

Maybe he was upset because the Obama didn't end the war and took it out on
the closest Democrat.

There's at least as much connection there as there is with the Tea Party and
Palin.

But that's not the Talking Point and it won't get mentioned by the partisan
activists in the MSM.


Purveyor

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Jan 10, 2011, 4:31:08 AM1/10/11
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There is so much hatred from the leftist liberal democrats that they don't
debate they go out and kill innocent people. Just how many times in the last
two to four years do we see leftist crazies out on a killing rampage while
at the same time the leftist blog try to pin the anger of society and the
blame for it on conservatives and republican when everyone know the only way
the leftist liberal know how to debate and think they win is to kill
innocent people and divide the classes.

Chas Edwards

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On Jan 9, 5:01 pm, Chas Edwards <chas....@comcast.net> wrote:>
>.This looks like Frank "Proved to be Sick" using another of his endless
> aliases.

Not at all, Edwards. It was Arizona Coin Collector who crossposted
his
comment into the Arizona
political newsgroups, and has resulted in a steady stream of
responses
in rec.collecting.coins.

**********
I didn't say that you were Arizona Coin Collector. But I strongly
suspect that you are using several Far-Left aliases on here and you
have been accused of doing this in this past.

The shooter read Mein Kampf and readers should keep in mind that
Hitler was also from the Far Left. (The official name of the Nazi
party was National SOCIALIST German Workers Party.) Like Loughner,
Hitler also hated religion and Heinrich Himmler had been ordered in
1943 to write a new Bible with Hitler as the Messiah.

Bluesfan2U

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Don't you think that when bad things happen, the truth about what caused
it to happen should be disclosed? Maybe, when the truth is known, people
will think about consequences of their heated rhetoric before
"targeting" their opposition and "reloading" their tools used for
debate. Maybe, they will elect to be "politically correct" (it means
polite for the benefit of the unwashed) in their discourse instead?

It is apparent to me and several others that the weak minded, disturbed
person who attempted to assassinate Congresswoman Giffords and murdered
all those innocent bystanders was influenced and inflamed to action by
extreme right wing political discourse. Would a normal person be moved
to these crimes by such rhetoric? I doubt it, but apparently Loughner
was. Who is responsible? I say Loughner, for sure, but I also say the
extreme irresponsible rhetoric of the right is responsible too.

Bluesfan2U

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Jymie Lynn Darling wrote:
> Right Wings had nothing to do it you jackwagons. He actually had
> communist rhetoric as was first reported.

Did he? Please list those comments here. Then explain the communal
nature of them.

PalinAnd...@america.com

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That is the very hallmark of your brand of mental disease: keep
chanting The Big Lie and hope it drowns out the truth. Get help.

The Radical Right has always advocated VIOLENCE FIRST when America
rejects their nutty ideas. 24 hour a day Republican Hate Radio
attacks America, attacks our government, attacks sanity. It's just a
matter of time until the weaker of ALL their weaker-minded listeners
decides to be a HERO for their thug cause.


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CB

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Meet the Press background check on Loughner conveniently leaves out
his favorite Leftist books from youtube and uses Post Hoc to link him
with the Tea Party

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Beanie

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"Chas Edwards" <chas...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>> The shooter read Mein Kampf and readers should keep in mind that
> Hitler was also from the Far Left. (The official name of the Nazi
> party was National SOCIALIST German Workers Party.) Like Loughner,
> Hitler also hated religion and Heinrich Himmler had been ordered in
> 1943 to write a new Bible with Hitler as the Messiah.

If you think Hitler was on the "far left" you have absolutely no comprehension
of Hitler, Nazism or history.
Try studying the subject sometime and then you won't appear as a total moron.


Frank Provasek

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On Jan 10, 12:52 pm, <PalinAndLough...@America.com> wrote:
> That is the very hallmark of your brand of mental disease: keep
> chanting The Big Lie and hope it drowns out the truth.  Get help.
>
> The Radical Right has always advocated VIOLENCE FIRST when America
> rejects their nutty ideas.  24 hour a day Republican Hate Radio
> attacks America, attacks our government, attacks sanity.  It's just a
> matter of time until the weaker of ALL their weaker-minded listeners
> decides to be a HERO for their thug cause.
Here are some more measured and reasonable comments:

1. Rush Limbaugh: "I tell people don't kill all the liberals. Leave
enough
so we can have two on every campus - living fossils - so we will
never
forget what these people stood for."

2. Senator Phil Gramm: "We're going to keep building the party until
we're
hunting Democrats with dogs."

3. Rep. James Hansen on Bill Clinton: Get rid of the guy. Impreach
him,
censure him, assassinate him."

4. John Derbyshire intimated in the National Review that because
Chelsea
Clinton had "the taint," she should "be killed."

5. Ann Coulter: "We need to execute people like John Walker in order
to
physically intimidate liberals, by making them realize that they can
be
killed, too."

6. Ann Coulter: "My only regret with Timothy McVeigh is he did not go
to the
New York Times building."

7. Bill O'Reilly: "ll those clowns over at the liberal radio network,
we
could incarcerate them immediately. Will you have that done, please?
Send
over the FBI and just put them in chains."

8. Clear Channel radio host Glenn Beck said he was "thinking about
killing
Michael Moore" and pondered whether "I could kill him myself, or if I
would
need to hire somebody to do it," before concluding: "No, I think I
could. I
think he could be looking me in the eye, you know, and I could just
be
choking the life out -- is this wrong?"

Jud

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It seems to me that the polarization of American society has found
it's way into RCC, to the point of absurdity. Perhaps it makes you
feel better when you expound your political beliefs here, but as I
have realized, it does absolutely no good. No matter what your
political beliefs are, you are NOT going to change the minds of those
in the opposing camp. I have found myself getting caught up in
political 'discussion' myself in the past, and all it has done is
raise my blood pressure. We who have been here for a while already
know which camp you are in and you are quite welcome to your
opinions, but for the love of God, if you want to post your political
rants, there are many other venues you can utilize. I am sure that I
am not alone when I say that we should go back to for what this
newsgroup was intended. I am particularly disgusted by the name
calling. After all, we are all Americans, excepting some notables
from other countries who wisely have kept out of the fray. It's time
to get ourselves back together into a cohesive group and stop the back
biting.

Just sayin'

Jud -Not going to play this game-

Ken Barr

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In article <P4udnfAcZLdyRLTQ...@earthlink.com>,
"Arizona Coin Collector" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:

> Hello
>
> Jared Lee Loughner on "New Currency". This is the
> young 22 year old that shot Arizona Democratic
> Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords. Check out the
> "YOUTUBE" link shown below. It may not stay up
> very long.
>
> I also notice his middle name is the same as
> "Lee Harvey Oswald". That is odd.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fm3XHzWPL4M

[sneck the az.* groups ...]

I also notice that his first name is the same as that portly fellow who
lost a lot of weight on a diet of Subway sandwiches. That is even odder
...

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>> The shooter read Mein Kampf and readers should keep in mind that
> Hitler was also from the Far Left. (The official name of the Nazi
> party was National SOCIALIST German Workers Party.) Like Loughner,
> Hitler also hated religion and Heinrich Himmler had been ordered in
> 1943 to write a new Bible with Hitler as the Messiah.

If you think Hitler was on the "far left" you have absolutely no
comprehension
of Hitler, Nazism or history.
Try studying the subject sometime and then you won't appear as a total
moron.

***************
What a moron. I have known a fair number of people who had the bad
luck to live under both systems and they described the systems just as
I have. Or perhaps you think hiding the Socialist part of National
Socialism will make it go away. (It was a criminal offense under
Stalin et al to use anything but "Fascist" or "Nazi;" using
"Socialist" to refer to Hitler got one shot or a nasty prison
sentence.) It won't. Hitler and Stalin were just like you, Far Left.
Lying seems to be a way of life for some denizens of the Extreme Left,
a point which you have nicely illustrated.

There was actually a minor difference between the two. A good friend,
now deceased, was arrested in Berlin by the Gestapo in June 1942
because someone turned her in for letting a person escape Germany with
her passport. She was able to prove that it had been stolen and she
was released though bearing scars for the rest of her life from the
experience. The NKVD never admitted mistakes, they just shot people.

Have you considered suing your school system for such a poor
education?

Chas Edwards

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Good old Frank Proved to be Sick, busy copying the deliberate
falsifications prepared by his hero, George Soros. I have seen lots of
loony statements on the internet, supposedly from the Far Left,
equally nasty. I don't believe them either.

Chas Edwards

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palinandlough...@america.com


That is the very hallmark of your brand of mental disease: keep
chanting The Big Lie and hope it drowns out the truth.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Always nice to see the mentally challenged following their own advice.

Frank Provasek

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On Jan 10, 4:10 pm, Chas Edwards <chas....@comcast.net> wrote:
>. Hitler and Stalin were just like you, Far Left.
> Lying seems to be a way of life for some denizens of the Extreme Left,
> a point which you have nicely illustrated.
>
> There was actually a minor difference between the two. A good friend,
> now deceased, was arrested in Berlin by the Gestapo in June 1942
> because someone turned her in for letting a person escape Germany with
> her passport. She was able to prove that it had been stolen and she
> was released though bearing scars for the rest of her life from the
> experience. The NKVD never admitted mistakes, they just shot people.
>
> Have you considered suing your school system for such a poor
> education?

Amazing that the Right wing "Freeper" and "hate talk radio" types are
trying to label Nazis left wing just because of socialist tag in their
name. Does anyone believe that communist East Germany was a democracy
because it was named "German Democratic Republic?"

Especially considering how many trade unionists, reformers,
communists, true socialists, and liberals ended up in the death camps
with Jews, gays, Roma and other so-called undesirables.

While right-wing flag flying patriots, captialists, industrialists,
atristocracy and the Catholic Church all jumped into bed with Nazis.

Frank Provasek

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On Jan 10, 4:14 pm, Chas Edwards <chas....@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> Good old Frank Proved to be Sick, busy copying the deliberate
> falsifications prepared by his hero, George Soros. I have seen lots of
> loony statements on the internet, supposedly from the Far Left,
> equally nasty. I don't believe them either.-

These are authentic quotes right out of the writers official
transcripts

Limbaugh #1 was quoted in Time
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,163548,00.html


Do the rest yourself

Beanie

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"Chas Edwards" <chas...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> Have you considered suing your school system for such a poor
> education?

How did your suit work out?


Chas Edwards

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**************
Frank Proven to be Sick shows once again how little he knows of
history or the real world. Stalin did PRECISELY the same to the same
groups as Hitler and the fact that they were great pals from August
1939 to June 1942 shows this very well. Genuine Socialists, for
example were on Stalin's drop-dead list (quite literally). Stalin
actually killed more Communists than Hitler and nearly as many Jews
(somewhere in the 2 to 3 million range, mostly in the Terror Famine).
The bit starting "While right-wing flag flying patriots .." is typical
Hot Air meant to make people think he actually understands the
subject. He doesn't and the statement is rubbish. Liberals, such as
Frank, seem to think that a lie repeated often enough will be believed
by everyone.


Chas Edwards

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Beanie
"Chas Edwards" <chas....@comcast.net> wrote in message
*********************************
The snapshot of a mentally-challenged mind at work. In all fairness,
however, it is probably the best he can do.

Chas Edwards

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Frank Provasek
The latest spin among the right wingers on Fox is that Loughner was a
LIBERAL who had intended to shoot the Republican judge, and that
Giffords was not the target. That excuse falls apart when you
realize
that Giffords was shot in the head point blank, and that there was no
pubblic announcement in advance that the judge would even be at the
event.
*************
Just in case anyone missed the irony, it was Frank Proven To Be Sick
who turned a reasonable posting by Arizona Coin Collector into one of
his usual Far-Left rants.

Frank Provasek

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Notice that "Chas Edwards" from Indiana has added back crossposting to
"az.general, az.politics, az.internet" which I have trimmed from my
reponses.

Gary

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Other groups deleted....

Shame on Fox News, AM talk radio, Palin and the Tea Party for causing
a political environment that led to the attack on U.S. Rep. Giffords
and the death of six people whose only crime was participating in our
democracy. It's outrageous that it could have been prevented if
moderate Republicans had stood up to the lunatic fringe that seems to
have taken over their party.

Holding fund-raisers at gun ranges, placing the districts of
Democratic candidates inside rifle sights, and Palin's constant use of
the phrase "it's time to reload" may seem like free speech, but it is
an invitation to commit violence to anyone unable to recognize
hyperbole.

Chas Edwards

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Frank opined:

Notice that "Chas Edwards" from Indiana has added back crossposting
to
"az.general, az.politics, az.internet" which I have trimmed from my
reponses.

*******

Wrong, that tower serves two other states.

I will have to agree with Frank, however, on one point. I did forget
to trim
the headings in this thread.

Chas.Edw.

Beanie

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"Chas Edwards" <chas...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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Ohhhh, snappy comeback!
Did you think that up all by yourself or did your mommy help you?


Mark

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It was chilling this weekend to see how cheerleaders for the regime tried to
extract policitical advantage from the Arizona shooting.

Thanks to the internet and alternative media they did not succeed (this
time) in turning the shooting into their version of the "Reichstag Fire" to
suppress political speech.

Until now opposing the agenda of the Executive Branch predictably led to be
branded a racist. People aren't cowed by that tactic anymore when it became
clear in November that the majority of American opposed the regime's agenda.
Far more dangerous to the Republic will be their new push to criminalize
political speech. Orwell described it best when he coined the phrase
"thought crime".

dh1953

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Palin and Beck and the rest don't get it. Whether it is of the vast left
wing conspiracy or the media, they just love being the victim, and that is
the height of hypocrisy. The hard truth is this: Palin has decided that as
part of her political persona, she is going to use extreme, aggressive, in
your face, and threatening language and imagery to dehumanize and
marginalize her opponents. Fine, that's her right. But now, when people
respond in kind because of a senseless and tragic event that more or less
mirrors the imagery and language she uses, she is the victim? Please. She is
incapable of bearing responsibility or showing humility. Had she said, "In
light of what happened in Tucson we regret our use of unfortunate images and
language in the election, and never intended for it to be construed as
wanting to cause harm to anyone. We are shocked that this sick individual
did this and will work to do whatever it takes to make sure these sorts of
tragedies never occur again" she would probably deflect much of this. But
no, Sarah nor the right can never admit to being wrong, or mistaken, or in
error, not when there is an opportunity to cast themselves as the victim.


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Mark

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Sadly, you have no idea what your talking about. Besides, both sides have
used the same tactics through history. Even now, the Dems are using those
tactics against the GOP. The Dems were the one's who made a movie about
the assanation of George Bush and they glorified it.

Now if you were smarter and looked at the facts, politics has absolutly
nothing to do with the shooting. The shooter was never political and is just
a mentally ill looser and had always been a danger that never was reported.
Yet, it was the left media that turned it political thanks the the NYT and
the rest just jumped right in after them. If you think this is political,
then you must be a complete idiot.

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Steve

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When there is another Republican president, you will say to any
opponents "Shut up and support the president" "You are with us or
with the terrorists." Republicans love being ruled with an iron
hand. They have no view of what true Liberty is.

Steve

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As a Jew, I am incredibly offended with Palin's remarks that criticism
of her is "blood libel." That's a term used against Jews for
millennia accusing Jews first of the killing of Jesus, and then later
as scandalous lies that Jews kidnap Christian babies for occult blood
rituals. Untold millions of Jews died over "blood libel" and Palin
uses ther term to gain sympanthy for herself.

mazorj

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"Steve" <coing...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Yep. The only question in my mind is whether this was a deliberate,
calculated slur, or just another example of her tone-deafness to the
sensitivities of "the others".

Beanie

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Reported to Google Groups as off-topic spam.


Murfr5

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"Steve" <coing...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Hey POS Jew yea you! If your Obama "RESIGN" aMERICA CAN AND WILL DO MUCH,
MUCH, MUCH BETTER YES WE CAN AND YES WE WILL!!!
POS Obama if you truly want to do what is best for America, then please step
down (resign) then and only then will America and Americans will begin to
heal and recover from all of your failures and socialistic ideals!!!

Steve

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On Jan 13, 8:51 am, "Beanie" <b...@ea.ne> wrote:
> "Steve" <coinguy1...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

You report ME as off topic? People have posted antisemitic hate
filled
comments here, but you chose MY comment as off topic to be reported?

YOU SIR ARE A BIGOT AND AN ARSE!

Bremick

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I think the blame here belongs to her handlers and speech writers. I'm sure
no one actually believes the "mama grizzly" ever would have heard of that
phrase before or had any idea of its significance to others. Yet they
continue to wind her key and send her out there.


mazorj

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"Bremick" <rem...@cox.net> wrote in message
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Yep. She's probably clueless on the origins and implications of the term.
So my question also applies to her handlers. Was it an uninformed
reference, or a deliberate, coded slur playing to the anti-Semitic yahoos?

Beanie

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Turnabout is fair play.
So anyone who doesn't agree with you is a bigot, eh?

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On Jan 9, 10:52 am, Jerry Dennis <JDen1...@aol.com> wrote:
> EVERYTHING SNIPPED!
>
> It was a good article on the "new currency," but you HAD to ruin it by
> cross-posting and getting every extreme political idiot (left AND
> right) in their respective newsgroups to start ranting. This post is
> never going to die, like the current "Obama is an Arab" reference.
> SHAME ON YOU, AZ! You know better.
>
> Jerry
> Chastising

Any excuse for the Democrats to throw attention away from their
incompetence and failures. Change the subject, Draw attention away
from the high unemployment, raising prices and repeal of obamacare.
It's not just "Bush's" fault anymore, now it's all the media's and
Republicans fault also. The kid last week that killed a VP and shot
the principal, was that Sarahs fault too?

Beanie

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mazorj

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Reported to abuse@netkopping_wankers.getalife.

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Hugh Ward

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> Only a matter of time till the left wing machine would kick in. Remember
> Oklahoma? Bill Clinton did the same thing, tring to blame patriots on the
> right for it. It only it took him a day or so. Now it's instantaeous. Very
> sad
>
>
The goverment is clearly tryeing to take away the freedom of speech and
thought by using the Tuscon shootings as
an excust to shut down talk radio, Fox News, and particular­lly Sarah Palin.
This is proof that this regime has shown no
restraint from taking away personal rights unless forced. The founders knew
this, thus the Bill of Rights.

I won't let the goverment control my thoughts because I don't want to fill
my mind with poison. I certainly won't let them control
my news sources.

I would trust a skidrow bum to lead my country before an empty headed black
Harvard grad that thinks he knows

it all but can't read the meaning of the Constituti­on. He has no business
telling people what is good or bad. He

does not know, except in his mind.

There is no place for regulation of the political talk and talk radio among
a free people. If criminal speech or

pictures, as prosecutab­le under the Constituti­on, prosecute under the
Constituti­on when a participan­t seeks

protection­. Do not over ride the Constituti­on. Keep out of radio and the
Internet. Don't mess with us including on

the net or suffer the consquance­s.

Pepe Le Jew

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Expect the usual moves, calls for regulation of right-wing speech, and
guns.

rial landreth

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On Wed, 12 Jan 2011 13:40:30 -0700, dh1953 <dh1...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Palin and Beck and the rest don't get it.

But you, in your inestimable all-seeing knowingness, do?

We are rightly humbled by your copier-like presence here. Please do
multiple post us into enlightenment.


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Dolphin

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Jan 14, 2011, 3:31:40 AM1/14/11
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The memorial Sevice was obviously not a memorial service. It was a
propaganda event that will be used to push various issues on various
agenda's.

There is absolutely no doubt that it came off more as a political rally than
anything else. First and foremost to affect the polls for some much needed
public opinion clout for the POTUS and it would have been the same no matter
who was in office. It is how the Washington Machine operates.

Had it been a memorial service it would have been conducted by a highly
respected member of the clergy and the POTUS at most would have offered a
Eulogy and then stepped back into the congregation.

It was a giant and shameful publicity stunt capitalizing on the victims of a
tragedy.

It served as a smoke screen to deflect the national political conciousness
away from reality.

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Bremick

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Jan 14, 2011, 8:58:52 AM1/14/11
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"Dolphin" <dol...@prisonplanet.com> wrote in message
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>
> The memorial Sevice was obviously not a memorial service. It was a
> propaganda event that will be used to push various issues on various
> agenda's.
>
> There is absolutely no doubt that it came off more as a political rally
> than
> anything else. First and foremost to affect the polls for some much needed
> public opinion clout for the POTUS and it would have been the same no
> matter
> who was in office. It is how the Washington Machine operates.
>
> Had it been a memorial service it would have been conducted by a highly
> respected member of the clergy and the POTUS at most would have offered a
> Eulogy and then stepped back into the congregation.
>
> It was a giant and shameful publicity stunt capitalizing on the victims of
> a
> tragedy.
>
> It served as a smoke screen to deflect the national political conciousness
> away from reality.

Sure is a shame it didn't meet your standards. Especially considering how
low they appear to begin with.


Louie Richardson

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Jan 14, 2011, 9:44:39 AM1/14/11
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ah the fire works on this COIN group
I know more than you
no matter who writes or question asked they are ripped to shreds by the
know it all veterans of collecting

key words water words fire works

in our world the winner is the person with the greatest command of the
english written word

Who has a 2011 Ms 70 graded by God one cent

sold heads 1959

John mccain created a monster
a pretty one
the prez sht when he opened the brief case
CUTE we are surrounded

Pepe Le Jew

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Jan 14, 2011, 9:11:41 PM1/14/11
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In article <igp1la$fh7$1...@speranza.aioe.org>,
"Dolphin" <dol...@prisonplanet.com> wrote:

> The memorial Sevice was obviously not a memorial service. It was a
> propaganda event that will be used to push various issues on various
> agenda's.


Another slaughter and all I got was this free T-shirt.

Patrick

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Jan 15, 2011, 12:56:33 AM1/15/11
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Sarah Palin is only part responsible. the other so many Tea Party advocates
are also a part of this negative drive. Using gun sights to show the 20
Democratic candidates in there areas under attack by the Tea Party Thugs is
absolutely wrong. Tea Party is nothing other than the GOP at work. 50
million Americans are unstable, poor, uneducated, and easy to attract using
violence as a means to win a vote. When the GOP knew they would loose
votes, they invented Tea Party to get those uneducated people to vote their
way.
Every time i see or hear Palin speak i cringe. its horrible to think people
think she is intelligent! And it is scary all the GOP candidates who have
taken offices this last time around. America is in trouble big time!

Black Bill

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Jan 15, 2011, 1:00:19 AM1/15/11
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I'm a negro, and I am very disgusted by the way American lamestream media is
blaming Sarah Palin for the shooting. Obama and the Democrats have been
making provocative rhetoric for so long, making America so divisive and
polarizing.

By falsely, deliberately and maliciously blaming Palin for the shooting,
American media are agitating and mobilising far-left liberals to take out
the Palin family. This is similar Germans did on the eve of Krystallnacht by
blaming the Jews for the diplomat's killing.

Like their German predecessors did to the Jews and Hutu predecessors did to
the Tutsis, American media are inciting liberal mobs to physically attack
the Palins and the Teapartiers. If anything were to happen to the Palins and
Teapartiers, blood will be on the hands of liberals and American media
forever.

I'll actively urge all my fellow negroes to boycott the highly despicable
American media. They are all anti-negro racists ! (I learn to play this race
card dirty trick from Barack Obama).

Sanders Kaufman

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Jan 15, 2011, 1:13:27 AM1/15/11
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"Black Bill" <bi...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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> I'm a negro, and I am

No, you're just an anonymous nobody on the web.
You don't have an identity - black or otherwise.

ChairMan

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Jan 15, 2011, 2:12:11 AM1/15/11
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In news:dWaYo.106892$wf4....@newsfe05.iad,
Sanders Kaufman <bu...@kaufman.net> spewed forth:

and your a just nobody on the web and have no life
so what's you're point?


Pepe Le Jew

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Jan 15, 2011, 9:52:58 AM1/15/11
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In article <igrcuc$qtl$1...@speranza.aioe.org>,
"Patrick" <patric...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Sarah Palin is only part responsible. the other so many Tea Party advocates
> are also a part of this negative drive. Using gun sights to show the 20
> Democratic candidates in there areas under attack by the Tea Party Thugs is
> absolutely wrong.

She probably got the idea from democrats, who put up at least two
target-themed graphics before Palin put up her map with the printer's
registration marks.

When I saw those democrat maps I experienced an urge to violence, and I
kicked the cat, who is a registered independent.

rial landreth

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Jan 15, 2011, 10:25:41 PM1/15/11
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On Fri, 14 Jan 2011 22:56:33 -0700, Patrick <patric...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Sarah Palin is only part responsible. the other so many Tea Party
> advocates are also a part of this negative drive. Using gun sights to
> show the 20 Democratic candidates in there areas under attack by the Tea
> Party Thugs is absolutely wrong.

The Democrats used bull eye targets, you are playing blame for one side
when if there is any then both share it. Grow up, child.


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rial landreth

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Jan 15, 2011, 10:27:20 PM1/15/11
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On Fri, 14 Jan 2011 23:13:27 -0700, Sanders Kaufman <bu...@kaufman.net>
wrote:

I finally found something to agree with you on!
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rial landreth

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Jan 15, 2011, 10:28:20 PM1/15/11
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So they have commonality, but he is right.
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Skankatron

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Jan 19, 2011, 10:33:36 AM1/19/11
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The Left are driven by hate. They hate anyone who's happy, anyone who's
normal, anyone who isn't some sort of allegedly repressed or victimised
minority group, and anybody who has more wealth than they do.

They label themselves as "progressive", and yet here in the UK have spent
the past 9 months lamenting because things are going to change, and they
want to maintain the status quo.

Hypocrisy is their forte. They are never happy with anything they achieve,
for to be happy would mean they are no longer left wing.

They all adore Karl Marx, whilst seeming not to recognise that every
communist country that's ever existed has been a terrible place to live,
with human rights (yes, the same human rights that the Left champions so
much) being non-existent.

Jared Loughner is a self-proclaimed Left Wing Radical, but you won't find
this being mentioned much in the liberal press.

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BigTX1066

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Jan 19, 2011, 11:05:48 AM1/19/11
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This is a typical Liberal tactic to do anything to attempt to make
Conservative's feel like they should not speak up, to debate topics or to
counter what has become such biased mainstream media outlets. MSNBC included
is the one's acting irresponsible in reporting this tragedy that had nothing
to do with opposing viewpoints being spoken by FOX news Rush etc. Bottom
line if this kid (and at 22 he still is a kid) was brought up by good
Christian parents and values that saw his issues early, Tuscon probably
would not of happened. These issues are separate and should be kept that
way. My prayers go out for the families and victims first and foremost and
secondly as an American I will continue to voice my opinions and be involved
in the debates and political system that makes this county great.


Sanders Kaufman

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Jan 19, 2011, 7:51:11 PM1/19/11
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"BigTX1066" <bigt...@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message
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> I will continue to voice my opinions and be involved

But only from behind the cover of Internet anonymity.
IRL, you're rightly ashamed to speak this way.

JFD Yates

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Jan 21, 2011, 1:11:53 AM1/21/11
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If the LEFT believes most Americans are to stupid to believe this kid was
forged under the Palin map then they had better do some research because he
had been stalking her since 2007 . Chris Matthews keeps the vitriol going by
wishing Limbaugh`s head would bust like MR. BIGG on James Bond`s movie .
Nancy Pelosi referred that the TEA PARTY were NAZI`S during the healthcare
debate . NOBODY has made a movie about a president getting assasinated like
OLIVER STONE did GEORGE BUSH . KEITH OLBERMAN and his tripe about the worst
person in the world . The LEFT have got to get the thought out of their
minds that the republicans and TEA party are the ENEMY as they so proudly
politicize everything . tThere is no blame , the lunatic was a lunatic and
if the left would put these people away from society like they used to
before the ACLU this country would be in a better state . There were
lunatics in our history , not just now . THE Kennedy killings , Martin
Luther King`s . Violence happened before Sarah Palin and the TEA PARTY .

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Gatsby1952

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Jan 22, 2011, 3:35:45 PM1/22/11
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Joan Embry

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Jan 23, 2011, 5:00:20 AM1/23/11
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They just started saying that stuff about the Constitution because Glenn
Beck says it. They all repeat whatever Glenn Beck says. Most of them have
never read the Constitution, if they did read it, they would not be able to
understand it. It's not exactly easy reading. They have no clue the members
of the Supreme Court don't even agree what it means. They have no clue law
makers make new laws all the time on the local, state and federal levels,
and that when lawyers try new cases, they create new laws. They use tons of
case laws when they try cases, and rarely cite the Constitution, and then
when they win a case, create a new law, so the next lawyer can cite that
case and create another new law.
Beck is a Mormon, (a moron too, but that's another whole story). Joseph
Smith made this prophecy that one day the Constitution would be hanging by a
shred, and a Mormon would have to become the president in order to save the
Constitution. This is why he keeps saying the Constitution is hanging by a
shred. He is a Mormon convert, believes in crazy conspiracy theories and
Mormon prophecies, making him insane basically.

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Pepe Le Jew

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Jan 23, 2011, 10:19:22 AM1/23/11
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In article <ihgu7d$76h$1...@speranza.aioe.org>,
"Joan Embry" <Joan-1...@newsvine.com> wrote:

> They just started saying that stuff about the Constitution because Glenn
> Beck says it. They all repeat whatever Glenn Beck says.

You're just repeating what Keith Olbermann says.

ObamaisaNigger

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Jan 23, 2011, 10:54:52 AM1/23/11
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Every human with any nigger experience saw this coming. Sympathy for Jew
Gifford and the Chimp in Chief rating is gone up. Probably a false flag
shooting. Backdoor dealings, stealing, threats, it's the nigger way. Now
that the Washington pussies have a yard ape in office pushing buttons and
backhanding members of Congress they don't know what to think. Human beings
discuss problems, niggers simply chimpout and throw a fit. The ONLY way to
deal with a nigger in full chimpout is with a rap to the skull OR let the
beast's temper tantrum run it's course. Maybe Rahm Emanuel will drop a plate
of dead babies (his usual morning breakfast) on the nigger's head and calm
him down but I doubt it. I think the Senate is sackless, Congress is
ghost-white scared, and everyone is waiting to see what the ape will destroy
next.


I am sooooo glad we repealed Obamacare., there wouldnt of been anything left
to destroy once this bill takes hold. We'll end up paying over 70% of our
income in taxes, fees, and other "required" payments to the government while
crackheads, welfare niggers, and trailer trash meth heads sit around waiting
for their next 'gubment' check.

Sanders Kaufman

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Jan 23, 2011, 5:45:37 PM1/23/11
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"Joan Embry" <Joan-1...@newsvine.com> wrote in message
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> They just started saying that stuff about the Constitution because Glenn
> Beck says it. They all repeat whatever Glenn Beck says.

It's the chalk board that fool's them.

Pepe Le Jew

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Jan 23, 2011, 10:21:47 PM1/23/11
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In article <rc2%o.1217$rC5....@newsfe03.iad>,
"Sanders Kaufman" <bu...@kaufman.net> wrote:

Especially the ones with rogue apostrophies.

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