Provblems with e-bay seller - NOBLE SPIRIT
Aladdin Sane
to an auction, 3 minutes left, and placed a bid.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2205132418&category=11971
&rd=1
After a review of the product, I sent an e-mail to the company, the issues I
had are as follows:
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1. Contradictory text: The item is described at one point as complete and
then at another point as incomplete. Also note that the Liberty Head
collection is referred to as "Walkers". I am wondering about the process
for posting this item.
Background:
This is an excellent complete collection. A collection which has obviously
been in constant transition. This collector sought consistent upgrading and
completion. This is something for the advanced specialized collector or
forward looking investor.
Range:
Incomplete set Walkers
and again, reference is made to a complete set.
To Summarize:
This is exactly how one hopes to find these collections! It is fresh, intact
and with significant potential for the specialist or reseller willing to
spend time to break the collection to maximize its potential. The investor
or collector will be equally pleased to acquire a fresh treasure trove
holding such as this in-order to spend countless hours evaluating, sorting
and caring for their newly acquired prized possession. We are truly pleased
to make available this exciting collection in a seldom seen opportunity
fresh, intact offering.
2. This set is described as problem free, however, that obviously is not the
case. Refer to attached photo that shows the 1901 as having numerous
scratches that would not be on the plastic.
Condition:
All super problem free coins from VG to VF.
3. The coins are described as being VG - VF. VG requires at a minimum that
three letters of LIBERTY show, this may be two full and two partial. In
reviewing the photos, I cannot find even one coin that shows any letters in
LIBERTY. I think that this is a mis-representation. I will give the
benifit of the doubt to the point that this may be a standard description
that was not properly edited (again the description as "Walkers").
4. You make a claim as to the collection value, yet in reviewing the
collection, and using the PCGS coin price guide, I would estimate the entire
collection as being worth less than half of your minimum value.
Estimate:
Net final auction hammer price is expect to be in the region of $1,700.00 to
$1,900.00 Anyone else, would be protecting this valuable lot with a minimum
or starting price of at least that.
I think that if you tried to start with a bid of $1,700 you would not
recieve any bids. The most valuable and sought after of the Liberty Heads
are not even in this set.
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For these reasons, I feel that this auction has been misrepresented and wish
to void the transaction, or if you refer, return the item for a full refund
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After several e-mails, that went unanswered, I received the following today
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Quite frankly I was so disgusted with your emails that I was choosing to
ignore them.You decide not to pay and then you ask us to justify our listing
and ask us to leave you positive feedback.Please dont bother us again,we
already wasted our time with you.You have more gall than all the 'dead
beats' put together.
Sincerely Pauline Cortese
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Believe me, I will never deal with these people again.
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> Has anyone here had any experience with this seller? I recently came
> late to an auction, 3 minutes left, and placed a bid.
>
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2205132418&category=11971
> &rd=1
>
> After a review of the product, I sent an e-mail to the company, the
> issues I had are as follows:
What I can't believe is that you would bid $600 on anything without reading
the auction description and viewing the pictures. If I counted correctly
there are 59 coins there, all around G-4 grade (by obverse) and no telling
what the reverse looks like after residing against that cardboard.
Personally, I would not have bid on that mess at all. But what do I know?
I don't even like Barber coins. :-) Good luck on a satisfactory
resolution.
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ANA# R178621
eBay: edh.
Aladdin Sane
three minutes left and the bid was under $400. I thought I had found a
possible good buy. When I settled in to look, I noticed the discrepencies.
I bid based on my cursory reading of the description Sigh. Dumb Dumb Dumb.
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"Ed Hendricks" <edmaryNOSP...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Richard L. Hall
semi-keys like the 92-O, 92-S, 93, 93-O, 93-S, 96-S, 97-O, 97-S, 98-S, 99-O,
1914, and 1915. their description was highly lacking especially when they
said complete. But it should have been obvious from the pictures that some
were missing. And the grades are obviously not much better than G with
perhaps a few VG's mixed in, and a few with noticeable damage. Overall, I'd
say this is a $300 collection. Their claims of $1700 value are obviously
figments of their imagination.
But that being said, you could have discovered that before you bid. You
shouldn't have bid on it until you were sure of what you were bidding on.
Exagerated values on Ebay are rampant and so are descriptions that leave
something to be desired.
Negotiate with the seller if you can about buying it. But you will probably
get a NPB from Ebay. But probably better that than taking a $300 loss.
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ANA# R-176949
http://home.netcom.com/~richlh
Dating Coins from the reverse:
http://home.netcom.com/~richlh/Coins/RD/Reverse_Dated.htm
Minor Errors: http://home.netcom.com/~richlh/Coins/Errors//Errors.htm
http://home.netcom.com/~richlh/Coins/Errors//Errors2.htm
Large and Small Date Lincolns:
http://home.netcom.com/~richlh/Coins/Large_and_Small_Dates.htm
Viewing the 3's on Lincolns
http://home.netcom.com/~richlh/Coins/Comparison3's.htm
RCC FAQ:
http://www.telesphere.com/ts/coins/faq2.html
"Aladdin Sane" <jmaz...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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Bill Krummel
> to an auction, 3 minutes left, and placed a bid.
>
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2205132418&category=11971
> &rd=1
>
> After a review of the product, I sent an e-mail to the company, the issues
I
> had are as follows:
>
I have never had any experience with this eBay seller. I do think the error
was the hurried bid; the images are numerous and seem to be accurate, from
your personal examination. Some of the verbal description is out right
wrong and some is misleading, but I have honestly seen that in a number of
auctions of different sellers and I am not sure if it was intentionally
done, in this case, to mislead or just plain sloppy on the seller's part.
The images are key, to me. Many times, a seller's grade is more liberal
than my grade, and I bid according to the image and MY perceived grade.
Ohhhhhh, what to do? I see no statement about return policy in the
auction. I can only say that if it were me (and it has been me before
exercising poor judgement in my bids), I would ask if they had a return
policy, that I was not happy with the coins, and I would be prepared to keep
the coins and make the best of it if my request was turned down. Although
it is too late now, were it I, I would have foregone the suggestion of
misrepresentation in my request- not conducive to the desired end result.
I can say that is what I would do, because I have done it in the past and
present more times than I want to admit.
Bill
Vig
>Date: 12/11/2003 12:25 PM Easter
>I recently came late
>to an auction, 3 minutes left, and placed a bid.
This is an outright lie. Your first of FOUR bids was placed a full 10 minutes
before the end of the auction. Didn't you realize that someone would look at
the bid history on the auction?
Vig
Aladdin Sane
that the auction was misrepresented.
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"Vig" <ant...@aol.com.net> wrote in message
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DONDI3
<jmaz...@comcast.net> writes:
>three min, ten min, I was in a hurried state. And the point still stands
>that the auction was misrepresented.
And the point still stands that you placed the bid and are bound legally &
morally to pay the amount you bid. You had 10 minutes (interesting that you
complain abouyt the seller's misrepresentation and then come here &
deliberately misrepresent the time of the bid to try to get us to sympathize
with you) to determine whether the auction was something you wanted and what
grades the items were. I think the seller was extremely reasonable in holding
her anger at your carelessness costing her a $20 auction fee. Happening on a
multiple coin auction "late" and then shooting from the hip because you think
its a "steal" has its risk/reward ratio. True, the seller may have
misrepresented her items, but that gives you no right to expect her to just
drop the whole issue because you're careless, or as you so accurately put it
"dumb, dumb, dumb".
I do feel that it would have been reasonable, under the circumstances, to
apologize to the seller and respectfully offer to pay her full auction expenses
and plead stupidity. LIkewise, a smart seller, would probably have been wise
to offer the same settlement rather than ignore you. But your attitude may
have had a lot to do with
her reaction. When one does something stupid, it's not usually wise to act
beligerently toward the one you've caused to lose money. Perhaps her coins
were indeed overgraded; perhaps she, too, is not able to accurately grade her
items; but the fact remains that the pictures were there for you to examine and
you did not take the time. How long does it take to realize that a VG-VF set
should have a bunch of letters visible in the headband? What did you think
when you saw them called "walkers"? What made you assume that a couple hundred
thousand other coin collectors were only interested in paying 1/3 of claimed
valuation on this set?
I'd say you were way ahead when she merely ignored you. Now, you've probably
worked your way in to a NPB complaint and a negative on your feedback record.
I somehow think you and the seller deserve each other. She should learn about
grading and you should learn about what it means to enter a bid on an ebay
auction without knowing what you're bidding on.
No sympathy here.
By the way. I quickly checked out the pix and the auction and figured the
wholesale value at around $400+. I put retail at $525 or so. You wouldn't
have exactly lost the family farm if you'd have honored your bid.
dondi3
DONDI enterprises. BUY, SELL, TRADE. RARE COINS & PRECIOUS METALS
Member COINNET, CSNS, ANA, INA, MOON, ILNA.
Aladdin Sane
foolishly without completely reviewing the item. Note, this was a large
collection to review, over 55 photos.
However, I sent three e-mails to the seller to discuss my issues and
negotiate a resolution to the situation. (I have kept them all). I
received one e-mail asking me what I wanted to do and I made a proposal.
Only after another week, and following more e mails and a phone call that
went unanswered (phone just rang, no answer) did I receive a reply that was
both insulting and condescending.
I was making a good faith effort to resolve the issue. I contacted the
seller and received no reasonable reply, No negotation, no discussion, just
a curt brush off. If I had just ignored the seller, that would be a
different matter, but I was making good faith efforts to resolve the issue,
and instead of telling me that my proposal was not to their liking, I was
called names and basically told to go to hell.
This is what upset me so and caused me to post this item. Wish I hadn't but
then again, heat of the moment.
Not only that, I was given the impression that I had personally insulted the
seller by stating the errors in their sale. I relied initally on the
verbage which stated the coins were VG-VF " All super problem free coins
from VG to VF. " (they were AG at best) that the set was complete (stated
twice, " This is an excellent complete collection." and later "It is
fresh, intact and with significant potential". It didn't register why they
were talking about an incomplete set of walkers in a collection of Barber
halfs "Range: Incomplete set Walkers").
In my communication, I even suggested that I could understand how they may
have tried to save time by copying the verbage from another auction, and
failed to completely edit the verbage. Again, I was chastised for
suggesting that they had to any degree mis-led me.
And again, I was assuming that this company, (which from all appearances is
a reputable dealer, and I am not disputing that, I am pissed at how I was
treated) would be posting correct information. Yet again, a misleading
statement " Estimate:
Net final auction hammer price is expect to be in the region of $1,700.00 to
$1,900.00 ."
So, I agree that my avarice led me to bid, I don't deny that. Do I have a
responsibility to resolve the issue? Yes, and I attempted to do so. I am
angry and insulted and feel that I have acted in good faith to be brushed
aside.
DONDI3
I'm not defending the seller's actions. I don't know if they do that as a
practice, but when a seller posts clear pictures of what they're selling, (of
EVERY coin yet!) I think that the buyer assumes the responsibility of examining
the posted information both visual and written. IF they'd hidden behind a
couple of pictures of the highest grade coins (I saw what apparently were
several VGs and a fine) that would be different...but they showed ALL the
coins. That's almost like going in to a shop and examining the set and then
plunking down $600.00 and walking out with the set.
I'll repeat, I think the seller handled the situation poorly. I would not have
ignored you and I would probably have just requested that you pay the fees and
let it go to the underbidder (assuming the underbidder was still interested).
But, this IS, after all, an auction format we're talking about here and that's
what you have to realize.
KNOW what you're doing and take the time to check out what you're buying as
well as the seller's reputation.
Sorry, but I can't side with you or the seller in this one. I don't agree with
the seller brushing you off and I think their written description stinks...but
even you recognize you were less than brilliant to bid without knowing what it
was you were buying.
So, are you off the hook? Is he filing NPB report? Has he negged your
feedback?
If not, you're fortunate and I'd just slip away and let it go. You're out
nothing and the seller has to pay Ebay $20 for your mistake...and HIS admitedly
optimistic and sloppy write up of the set.
Bruce Remick
> So, I agree that my avarice led me to bid, I don't deny that. Do I have a
> responsibility to resolve the issue? Yes, and I attempted to do so. I am
> angry and insulted and feel that I have acted in good faith to be brushed
> aside.
>
Well, you did essentially resolve the issue by placing a bid which ended
up the winner. I understand your disappointment, but pointing out
errors and inconsistencies in the seller's auction description AFTER you
bid and won isn't going to sit well with either party. In your
excitement over possibly finding an overlooked bargain, you gambled and
won/lost, depending on your point of view. You were confused over the
wording in the description as well as the photos, and were unable to
contact the seller for clarification, but you bid anyway.....and won.
Hopefully, there's still room for some tactful communication on your
part to emerge from this experience without a significant loss of money
or a negative feedback. The fact that you're angry probably will ensure
that you don't make a similar hasty move again.
Good luck!
Bruce
Jeff Landon
I would never defend the seller, but everyone knows (or should know) that
eBay is classic buyer-beware. You're getting what you deserve if you bid
before you look. And your excuse that it was so "late" in the auction is
lame. I too have found auctions that were within 10 minutes or so of being
complete. Very simply, I don't bid unless I'm totally sure what I'm bidding
on.
As an eBay seller, I get very aggravated at people who bid and then attempt
to negotiate terms after the fact.
--Jeff
Aladdin Sane
(even if by accident, which I believe happened here) and then refuse to
admit that what is described is now what is presented. BTW, the seller left
positive feedback for me. Go figure.
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"Jeff Landon" <jola...@adelphia.net> wrote in message
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mark
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2205132418&category=11971
>&rd=1
>Background:
>This is an excellent complete collection.
Under California law (which both the buyer and seller are subject), the
pictures are for "salesmanship" purposes, and the text is the actual
contractual part. So unless they happen to have a set that matches the
description, they have misrepresented the auction, and you are not obligated to
purchase it.
Having said that, it's fairly obvious that the seller either mixed pasting in
text from another auction or used a previous auction to "sell a similar item"
and got interrupted or something when they posted that mess. Had you read even
some of the text before looking at the pics, you'd have caught that.
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Ami .
misrepresent (even if by accident, which I believe happened here) and
then refuse to admit that what is described is now what is presented.
BTW, the seller left positive feedback for me. Go figure.>>>
In my opinion, this seller has been nicer to you than you have to her. I
have not have any dealings with this seller, but I do sympathize with
her situation. Despite the fact that her written description is poor,
she did post plenty of photos of the collection.
Everybody can see that the coins are not "Walkers" and everybody can see
that the coins are not high grade condition. You bid on the auction and
won. She could have zapped you as a non-paying bidder, but my guess is
that she let it go because she didn't want retaliatory negative
feedback.
Since she is apparently letting you off the hook for not paying and has
also posted positive feedback, I think you should return the courtesy
and post positive feedback for her and then drop the issue.
Aladdin Sane
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"Ami ." <Gem_...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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noblespirit
This is Noblespirit
First I would like to say 'Thank you' to the person who took the time
to email me and alert me to the allegations that Aladin Sane ' is
making.On the subject of bidders who win auctions and for one reason
or another decide they do not want to go through with the
purchase.Whilst it can be costly (because we find if you relist
something that has just recently ended the goods do not realize the
same money)and time consuming for us, we do not penalize a bidder for
changing their mind.We receive between 5-10 a month of these and
simply relist the goods and claim the final value fee back from ebay
by stating 'buyer and seller mutually agreed to not go through with
the transaction'we do this so the buyer will not receive a 'npb' from
ebay.We do not leave neg and do not block the bidder from bidding with
us again,we do this because we like to pride ourselves on our high
level of customer service and customer satisfaction. We are in the
business of acquiring customers not chasing them away.
However, we have little tolerance for dead beat non paying bidders who
seek to transfer their lack of regard for a contractural transaction.
90% of our negatives are from non paying bidders. People who have no
regard and who outright lie. We still don't understand the purpose of
lying during or after a transaction.
As regards Aladdin Sane,I received an email from him After the auction
had ended telling me that he had missunderstood the description
because he came to the auction when it only had three minutes left,I
did not think to check this asI did not think for a minute that he
would be lying but after reading one of the replies to the posts I see
that this was 'not true'and he acctually bid 10 minutes before it
ended. Neverthelees if I had realised this before I would not have
mentioned it to him. I responded to Aladdin and asked him what he
would like to do,fully expecting to get a reply saying he did not want
the goods,to which I would have replied'Thats Okay'But I did not
receive such an email from Aladdin Sane I recieved a lecture on how
wrong we were to list this auction,he laid out a long list of
questions that he required answers to.To make a long story short he
was offensive and demanding,he wanted his questions answered and
requested we leave him positive feedback,(which he now has because he
realised our system was automated and left us a positive so he could
receive one himself).He continued to 'hound' us,now complaining that I
was not answering his email.I finally replied and told him I was
disgusted with his email and to leave us alone.I told him he had more
'gall' than all the npbs' put together.I did not tell him to go to 'go
to Hell' and did not call him any names.'he has ignored my message to
leave us alone and continues to 'hound' us.Because our system is
automated he received an emailing advising him he has not paid,today
he has replied to that to say he was sending money,I have responded by
telling him to ignore the notice.
To summerize Aladdin Sane has lost nothing,I did not file a 'npb'he
has a positive feedback from us and yet with all this he is stll
bothering us and is in here slandering us .Thank you all for taking
the time to read my post.
Pauline Cortese
Ron
"Noblespirit" was familiar.
I just went back and looked at my records. I bought 3 items from them
back in April of this year.
Granted, mine were all proof sets, but there were very nice. I
received them in a timely manner and did mark Noblespirit down as a
"Would buy from again" in my notes.
I have looked at others of their auctions and seen the pics (they take
really great pictures that should leave not much (or no) doubt in what
you will be getting.
They do have hyperbole with what they expect to get (final hammer
price expected), but, who doesn't that sells on ebay?? :)
While it is regrettable that this mishap happened, I would be inclined
to think the majority of the problem is on the buyer in this case.
(no, I wasn't the one to tell NobleSpirit about this thread nor have I
bought from them since those proof sets in April, but I wouldn't
hesitate to buy from them again....IF I could get a good deal on
something I saw that I wanted)
Ron
On 14 Dec 2003 11:25:10 -0800, jcor...@noblespirit.com (noblespirit)
wrote:
Aladdin Sane
In that e-mail, I thought it best to explain my feelings. My reply Is
below, anyone wanting to see this e-mail, I will gladly forward all my
correspondence with noble spirit, I kept it all.
BTW, I sent noble spirit an e-mail this morning stating I would pay for the
auction, I was told not to, that the item has been relisted.
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Polly:
Thankyou for your response.
As I stated, I came to the auction with less than 5 minutes left, so I could
only make a snap judgement to bid based on the current bid status of $400.
My objective in this auction was to break up the set and hopefully make a
profit in selling the coins individually.
I see where it is listed as an incomplete set, yet in the paragraph above
that, it is stated that this would be a complete set. I quote from the
auction.
"Grey sheet Dealer Wholesale
$1,525.00!
If you had to buy each of these coins individually they would cost somewhere
in the region of $1,500.00 to $6,600.00 Plus Retail because they are all
individually significant and sufficient in popularity.
Background:
This is an excellent complete collection. A collection which has obviously
been in constant transition. This collector sought consistent upgrading and
completion. This is something for the advanced specialized collector or
forward looking investor.
Range:
Incomplete set Walkers
Condition:
All super problem free coins from VG to VF. :
First off, the auction description is self contradictory, stating both that
the collection is complete and incomplete.
Second, the value of $1500 is confirmed by PCGS for a complete collection in
good condition. However, The coins as listed (based on the photographs)
would only be worth around $670 in good condition.
Third, this is not a problem free collection as advertised. The 1901
specimen seems to have considerable damage that does not look like it would
be in the plastic cover.
Fourth, the coins are advertised as being in VG to F condition. James
Ruddy's "Photograde" states that in VG condition, three letters of LIBERTY
should be visible (Two full and two halfs are permissable). Coins in F
condition should display a full LIBERTY. In a more detailed examination of
the coins, I can see no letters in LIBERTY. This may be due to
photographing through the plastic protector sheet, but I would expect to see
at least a letter or two here or there. Therefore, I believe that these
coins would all be graded G at best.
For these reasons, I don't believe that I would be able to recover any of my
investment in this collection. I would suggest that we call this sale off,
leave positive feed back based on good communication, and you can relist the
collection. There is a second bidder at the $600 level who may still be
interested in this collection, so you have an opportunity to immediatly
complete a sale at the bid amount.
Let me know if this is satisfactory.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Noblespirit Service" <jcor...@noblespirit.com>
To: <jmaz...@comcast.net>
Cc: "KELLY" <jcor...@noblespirit.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 10:40 AM
Subject: RE: Question for seller -- Item #2205132418
> Hi,sorry for the delay.In the listing it states it is an incomplete
> set,therefore I must assume this is correct.What do you want to do??
>
> Best Regards Polly
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> www.noblespirit.com <http://www.noblespirit.com/>
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> Noblespirit
> Box 366
> Pittsfield, NH 03263
> TEL : +1 (603) 435 6672
> FAX : +1 (603) 435-6329
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: jmaz...@comcast.net [mailto:jmaz...@comcast.net]
> Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 9:42 PM
> To: jcor...@noblespirit.com
> Subject: Question for seller -- Item #2205132418
>
>
> You have advertised this as a complete set, and that was the basis for my
> bid. I came to the auction late so was unable to truly examine the
photo's.
> Rereading, I notice you also state it is incomplete which the photo's seem
> to verify. Is this or is this not a complete set?
> --------------------
>
>
> Question from: aladdinsane333
> Title of item: NobleSpirit~ LIBERTY HEAD HALVES SET !!
> Seller: noblespirit
> Starts: Nov-20-03 17:59:47 PST
> Ends: Nov-30-03 17:59:47 PST
> Price: Currently $600.00
> To view the item, go to:
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2205132418
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>
> Visit eBay, The World's Online Marketplace TM at http://www.ebay.com
>
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"noblespirit" <jcor...@noblespirit.com> wrote in message
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Aladdin Sane
phoning the number listed which just rang and rang, I posted the following
which netted this reply.
And again, I have offered to pay for this item.
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Quite frankly I was so disgusted with your emails that I was choosing to
ignore them.You decide not to pay and then you ask us to justify our listing
and ask us to leave you positive feedback.Please dont bother us again,we
already wasted our time with you.You have more gall than all the 'dead
beats' put together.
Sincerely Pauline Cortese
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ser...@noblespirit.com | www.noblespirit.com
Noblespirit
Box 366
Pittsfield, NH 03263
TEL : +1 (603) 435 6672
FAX : +1 (603) 435-6329
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From: Aladdin Sane [mailto:jmaz...@comcast.net]
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 11:58 AM
To: ser...@noblespirit.com
Subject: Service
If you list your telephone number and hours, I would suggest having
someone available to answer the phone during that time period.
I have been attempting to clear up an issue with your company for two
weeks and communication has been very poor. One response to my e-mail.
What gives.
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A conclusion is simply the place
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Jim
>big time snip<
I don't know or care what your gripe is/was.
You "don't" post personal info about anyone under any circumstances. Got it?
How would you like your address or phone number pasted all over Usenet?
Always here for my fellow syngraphist or oenophile.
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company, and Ms. Cortease as a representative of the company. They can be
found on any of NOBLESPIRIT's auctions and website. This is not personal
information. Let me correct a misconception, I am dealing with a major
auction house here. Currently they have 10+pages of items listed on e-bay.
Your indignation is misplaced.
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"Jim" <jston...@aol.comprosit> wrote in message
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Jim
Aladdin Sane
another was being placed in jeopardy of having private information published
without permission. My apologies to you for raising your ire.
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"Jim" <jston...@aol.comprosit> wrote in message
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mark
>From: jcor...@noblespirit.com (noblespirit)
>> Under California law (which both the buyer and seller are subject), the
>> pictures are for "salesmanship" purposes, and the text is the actual
>> contractual part. So unless they happen to have a set that matches the
>> description, they have misrepresented the auction, and you are not
>obligated to
>> purchase it.
>>
Did you read and understand the above? And if so, do you also get that your
entire rant is beside the point? He was never obilgated to pay you for it in
the first place.
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>requested we leave him positive feedback,(which he now has because he
>realised our system was automated and left us a positive so he could
>receive one himself).
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>us.Because our system is
>automated he received an emailing advising him he has not paid,today
Do you also understand that the fact that your feedback and e-mail is automated
is no one else's responsibility other than yours? That the texts of your
auctions are equally your responsibility alone?
Your auctions are the typical, over-hyped, over-graded, boilerplate, mass
listings that I and others avoid on the simple basis that mistakes such as the
one you made in this auction are unavoidable, particularly given the volume of
your listings.
Managing your busisness is your responsibility. Posting here to complain about
someone else's behaviour doesn't change that.
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