Cameron Kiefer committed suicide
X2Rider
Cameron Kiefer committed suicide right before Christmas.
He was a young numistist of the year and had a bright future in the coin
industry. He was a grader at ICG until the Mark Yafee scandal drove the
parent company National Gold Exchange into bankruptcy.
.
He was having financial difficulties that obviously became to much for him
to bear . And burnt some people on the PCGS message board.
For all the people calling for his blood in their posts beware what you wish
for.
Exchanged quite a few emails with Cameron and always found him to be
incredibly helpful . A truly sad day
RIP Cameron
Steve
The PCGS message board keeps deleting messages about this, implying
that it is not true.
Louie Richardson
The lack of honesty inthis coin selling is not all ways above board.
David Hall was profitable to many of his friends.
The more business you sent him the better grade you could get just
busines they say.
As God watches their is no MS 70
1927 slabbed thanks Steve I thought
A million dollar coin Lord I give up
In God we Trust
Louie Richardson Pennies from Heaven..
oly
Very sad. One should not kill oneself over money - one of
"professional" numismatics "dirty little secrets" is the number of big
names and recognizable names that have been flushed through bankruptcy
once or more than once.
oly
B.J.
A web site claiming to represent a funeral home has information about
visiting hours and a funeral mass for Cameron Wade Kiefer, and the
site says he was a Numismatist. It seems accurate.
http://www.horancares.com/_mgxroot/page_10780.php?task=Current&listing=All
Coinboy
To me, his choices were mutually exclusive, both involved a mutually
exclusive decision of action and both incur different results. The harm
caused by the first choice is never mitigated or subjugated to the harm
caused by the second choice. His thefts and his lies in the attempt to cover
up were exposed and are incontrovertible Facts, not malicious "gossip" or
accusations. He had a choice in how to deal with it
But if you want to really talk unintended consequences, the folks who offer
little sympathy today are those 'unintended consequences' from two years
ago, when the viscous level of attack on his VICTIMS from Board members was
outrageous! Lack of empathy to him now was caused by the members who then
supported the thief, despite the open, overwhelming evidence and the
bold-face lies, he made himself, in writing!
When you die (besides worldly things you accumulated as you passed thru),
only memories of you by others, memories of your honor, memories of the way
you treated people, are what really matter.
Leave it at that.
"X2Rider" <X2R...@vodafone.co.nz> wrote in message
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Ken Barr
"X2Rider" <X2R...@vodafone.co.nz> wrote:
> Another truly sad day for the coin world
>
> Cameron Kiefer committed suicide right before Christmas.
>
> He was a young numistist of the year and had a bright future in the coin
> industry. He was a grader at ICG until the Mark Yafee scandal drove the
> parent company National Gold Exchange into bankruptcy.
Cameron actually left ICG in March 2008 after the ANACS/ICG "personnel
swap" in order to become a full time coin deeler. The NGE bankruptcy
did not take place until July 2009, over a year later.
> He was having financial difficulties that obviously became to much for him
> to bear . And burnt some people on the PCGS message board.
>
> For all the people calling for his blood in their posts beware what you wish
> for.
I don't recall anyone calling for his blood, but rather they seemed to
want to warn additional potential victims to avoid doing business with
him until he cleaned up his act.
IMO, PCGS was quite helpful in covering up for Cameron by poofing these
threads as soon as they appeared, in re both his previous (2009)
platinum iggle "sales" and his recent silver iggle "sales".
> Exchanged quite a few emails with Cameron and always found him to be
> incredibly helpful . A truly sad day
>
> RIP Cameron
I feel much more sadness and concern for his widow and two small
children, and hope they have a good family support system to get them
through these trying times ...
FYI, there is a memorial fund set up at:
Cameron Kiefer Family Memorial Fund
c/o Mutual of Omaha Bank
P. O. Box 69
Nederland, CO 80466
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P. O. Box 32541 website: http://www.kenbarr.com
San Jose, CA 95152 Coins, currency, exonumia, souvenir cards, etc.
408-272-3247 NEXT SHOW: Peninsula CC (Naperdak Hall, San Jose), Nov 11
Ken Barr
<f8ca8ba7-79af-4efb...@v17g2000yqv.googlegroups.com>,
oly <oly...@aol.com> wrote:
Cameron was also a reserve officer in a local Colorado police
department. Simply being accused of fraud could have had a rather
severe negative impact on that career path even if a BK wiped out his
debts.
Beanie
>
> Cameron Kiefer committed suicide right before Christmas.
I don't know if the gentleman is alive or dead at this point.
There isn't anything on the web about his death.
He does have an interesting web page about sample slabs:
http://www.sampleslabs.com/
A few Google entries list him as a grader at ICG (which I consider an inferior,
2nd tier grader, eBay's opinion to the contrary notwithstanding!)
Bryan
There was a post office worker in his town that stole 11000 packages (that's
eleven thousand packages) before he got caught and admitted some of those
were coins. He was very concerned about his reputation and business that he
had spent a big chunk of his young life building would never recover from
the problems he was having. It seemed Numismatics was all he knew and had a
problem with what he would ever do if his business and reputation failed. A
young person usually doesn't have the experience to know you can recover
from a failing business as long as you do not keep causing more problems for
yourself by taking in more orders and just worry about handling your present
obligations before you worry about anything else. I think he was having to
take more orders to be able to pay off the problems he had (kind of like
taking from Peter to pay Paul) which just caused more problems for him.I do
not know all the facts about the case as I try to keep myself out of bad
publicity that doesn't involve me. I could imagine for a small business it
would be hard to recover from a few packages containing a few ROLLS of ASE's
being taken from the post man
I do know he was ANA's YN of the year and then joined as a grader at ICG and
even taught some seminars at coin shows. He was a very bright individual
that had allot of knowledge and should have been one of the greats of this
hobby if he had just kept it a hobby instead of trying to make it a
business, but that is what most people do when thats all you know.
Donald Hunt
attacked Cameron recently over some supposed misdeeds regarding his coin
business. They were posting his home address, his employers address,
threatening to have him put in jail or get him fired, expose him to his
family as a thief. . I hope those people did not drive him to suicide.
Donald Hunt
I knew Cam through a few shows and he was a very nice guy. too bad he did
such bad things to so many people. i wish the best to his mom and dad and
his sister and brother. rip buddy
-bnb "quality first"
www.bnbcoins.com
Jarett
Beanie
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> -bnb "quality first"
> www.bnbcoins.com
His prices are, to say the least, a wee bit high.
Gary
PCGS is running like crazy to scrub the message board of these posts,
and massively purge
memberships of those who speculate that PCGS may have some liabilty
for
Cameron's death under laws against online bullying.
mopa
Employee stole the packages, some kind of responsibility would be put
on the employee to repay back everything he stole. What a shame!
On Dec 31 2010, 10:46 am, "Bryan" <Bryan60...@aol.com> wrote:
> Cameron had some bad dealings that in his words were ruining his reputation.
> There was a post office worker in his town that stole 11000 packages (that's
> eleven thousand packages) before he got caught and admitted some of those
> were coins. I could imagine for a small business it
mopa
They can try, but because most sites are cached, it is pretty hard to
delete things, they might think they are gone, but they are not.
Internet Archive (Archive.org), has a lot of things cached.
Ken Barr
"Bryan" <Bryan...@aol.com> wrote:
> Cameron had some bad dealings that in his words were ruining his reputation.
> There was a post office worker in his town that stole 11000 packages (that's
> eleven thousand packages) before he got caught and admitted some of those
> were coins.
Citation? The info I found online was that the thief worked in a post
office in Highlands Ranch, over 35 miles from the Northglenn one with
Kiefer Numismatics' PO Box.
"He targeted boxes from online retailers including Amazon.com, stealing
CDs, DVDs and Victoria's Secret lingerie." according to:
http://www.9news.com/news/article.aspx?storyid=147734
No mention of coins.
> He was very concerned about his reputation and business that he
> had spent a big chunk of his young life building would never recover from
> the problems he was having. It seemed Numismatics was all he knew and had a
> problem with what he would ever do if his business and reputation failed. A
> young person usually doesn't have the experience to know you can recover
> from a failing business as long as you do not keep causing more problems for
> yourself by taking in more orders and just worry about handling your present
> obligations before you worry about anything else. I think he was having to
> take more orders to be able to pay off the problems he had (kind of like
> taking from Peter to pay Paul) which just caused more problems for him.I do
> not know all the facts about the case as I try to keep myself out of bad
> publicity that doesn't involve me. I could imagine for a small business it
> would be hard to recover from a few packages containing a few ROLLS of ASE's
> being taken from the post man
The thief resigned in "spring 2010" according to the above article, and
pled guilty to the thefts in August 2010 according to another site, so I
fail to see how he could be guilty of nicking the allegedly stolen ASE
rolls in December 2010.
> I do know he was ANA's YN of the year and then joined as a grader at ICG and
> even taught some seminars at coin shows. He was a very bright individual
> that had allot of knowledge and should have been one of the greats of this
> hobby if he had just kept it a hobby instead of trying to make it a
> business, but that is what most people do when thats all you know.
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P. O. Box 32541 � � � � � � website: �http://www.kenbarr.com
San Jose, CA �95152 � � Coins, currency, exonumia, souvenir cards, etc.
408-272-3247 � � � �NEXT SHOW: San Jose CC (Doubletree Hotel), Jan 28 - 30
Frank Provasek
>
> Citation? The info I found online was that the thief worked in a post
> office in Highlands Ranch, over 35 miles from the Northglenn one with
> Kiefer Numismatics' PO Box.
>
> "He targeted boxes from online retailers including Amazon.com, stealing
> CDs, DVDs and Victoria's Secret lingerie." according to:
>
> http://www.9news.com/news/article.aspx?storyid=147734
>
> No mention of coins.
>
> pled guilty to the thefts in August 2010 according to another site, so I
> fail to see how he could be guilty of nicking the allegedly stolen ASE
> rolls in December 2010.
>
The delivery problems started in 2009, according to the chatter on the
PCGS board.
Many details are in the indictment, which you need versuslaw to see.
The thief operated at
a processing center, since standard post offices don't have people
working overnight. So
the fact that the thefts occurred 35 miles from Cameron's post office
box location (where
he RECEIVED mail, not necessarily mailed it from) is meaningless.
Also your observation
that since coins were not mentioned in the TV news reports proves that
no coins were stolen,
puts you in the position of trying to argue that a dead man is a liar
based on your assumptions.
Very poor form, Ken.