Getting bombed with 2009 Lincoln Type 2 cents!!!
oly
Cent, the residents of Lincoln's own Springpatch are just SWAMPED this
week with the Type 2 Railsplitter Cents... they are in cash drawers at
all the local restaurants and retailers and I've even found two of
them on the parking lot or on the floor. These seem to be
Philadelphia issues (I have two rolls, obtained from an area bank at
face value, that are rolled in such a way that I can't see the
obverses).
What a change for the better. Of course, the local coin collecting
community is eagerly awaiting the Type 3 Politician/ Old State Capitol
Building 2009 Lincoln cent, as that historic building exists here
today as a Lincoln shrine.
oly
Bob F.
"oly" <oly...@aol.com> wrote in message
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That's all well and good but, pray tell, what does it have to do with
Frank Provasek's repeated suspensions from eBay?
Oh wait, Fwankie WAS selling rolls of the new cents.
Never mind...
oly
> "oly" <oly2...@aol.com> wrote in message
Fate has its way of chastening the wayward. Frank is a tremendous
blow-hard who was apparently recently injured by a tremendous hard
blow. Unless we hear something more outrageous from him (and
undoubtedly we will), I can leave it at that - for the time being.
oly
PC
> Fate has its way of chastening the wayward.
Good luck to you and Bob F then. It sounds like you need it.
Bob F.
>Fate has its way of chastening the wayward. Frank is a tremendous
>blow-hard who was apparently recently injured by a tremendous hard
blow. Unless we hear something more outrageous from him (and
undoubtedly we will), I can leave it at that - for the time being.
Francine seems to prefer to bloviate over on the PCGS "Collector's
Universe" board (http://forums.collectors.com/).
A cursory examination of which reveals tirades from him directed against
both you and I.
But don't worry, he's being mocked as a whiner over there too!
PC
"Bob F." <ad...@hardyboys.invalid> wrote in message
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>
> But don't worry, he's being mocked as a whiner over there too!
Irony, thy name is Bob F.
oly
> "oly" <oly2...@aol.com> wrote in message
I don't follow moderated forums. If Frank is ranting against me
elsewhere, well, we all know that Frank is a pansy.
oly
oly
> "oly" <oly2...@aol.com> wrote in message
>
> news:a185f1d1-a117-49f7...@p20g2000vbl.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Fate has its way of chastening the wayward.
>
> Good luck to you and Bob F then. It sounds like you need it.
I know many posters here by their names and often their faces and
occasionally have met them. You hide, PC, and that makes you the non-
entity here that you are in life.
oly
PC
Only in your tiny little closed mind. Several posters know my identity. I
have not made it at all difficult if you bother.
But hey don't let truth get in the way of Tweedle-Dum and Tweedle-Dee. At
least they use a deriviative of their names on their handles. That somehow
makes their abuse OK.
oly
> "oly" <oly2...@aol.com> wrote in message
>
> news:e8e95149-25e3-4fbb...@l12g2000yqo.googlegroups.com...
> On Jun 22, 7:52 am, "PC" <P...@minneapolis.mn.us> wrote:
>
> > "oly" <oly2...@aol.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:a185f1d1-a117-49f7...@p20g2000vbl.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > Fate has its way of chastening the wayward.
>
> > Good luck to you and Bob F then. It sounds like you need it.
>
> I know many posters here by their names and often their faces and
> occasionally have met them. You hide, PC, and that makes you the non-
> entity here that you are in life.
>
>
>
> Only in your tiny little closed mind. Several posters know my identity. I
> have not made it at all difficult if you bother.
>
> But hey don't let truth get in the way of Tweedle-Dum and Tweedle-Dee. At
> least they use a deriviative of their names on their handles. That somehow
> makes their abuse
AT least you can tell the difference between abuse and arguement. But
you still hide.
oly
PC
>
> Only in your tiny little closed mind. Several posters know my identity. I
> have not made it at all difficult if you bother.
>
> But hey don't let truth get in the way of Tweedle-Dum and Tweedle-Dee. At
> least they use a deriviative of their names on their handles. That somehow
> makes their abuse
AT least you can tell the difference between abuse and arguement. But
you still hide.
>>
I guess if you repeat a lie enough times you expect others to believe your
crap?
oly
> "oly" <oly2...@aol.com> wrote in message
Oh, YOU have truth and virtue on your side, NO doubt. But still you
choose to hide.
oly
Mr. Jaggers
It's done all the time in politics and religion.
James the Apostate
oly
wrote:
> PC wrote:
> > "oly" <oly2...@aol.com> wrote in message
>
> - Show quoted text -
oly
wrote:
> PC wrote:
>
> - Show quoted text -
The U.S. Coin market has many aspects of a religion. Like church, you
can even get a weekly mimiographed bulletin!!!
oly
Bob F.
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> It's done all the time in politics and religion.
Especially about that Jesus Christ guy. Son of God indeed!
Mr. Jaggers
I won't comment here on those specific proposals, but it gets very tiresome
when certain religious individuals persist in shoving their
religiously-based political agenda up my nose.
James the Schnozz
Mr. Jaggers
There are indeed many who make it thus. They have their purposes, and I
avoid them whenever I can.
James the Recluse
Bob F.
"Mr. Jaggers" <lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com> wrote in message
James, I'm afraid we are losing sight of the main purpose of this NG.
None of the above has a thing to do with Frank Provasek's multiple
suspensions from eBay.
Why Frank Provasek refuses to come up with a BELIEVABLE explanation for
his multiple suspensions and auction cancellations is extremely curious.
I completely discount his usual claptrap about "vindictive individuals"
reporting "all" his eBay auctions, especially since he has yet to
present one iota of proof to back up his wild accusations.
--
Bob The Focused
Mr. Jaggers
> "Mr. Jaggers" <lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com> wrote in message
> news:h1oa...@enews2.newsguy.com...
>> Bob F. wrote:
>>> "Mr. Jaggers" <lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com> wrote in message
>>> news:h1o8c...@enews5.newsguy.com...
>>>> It's done all the time in politics and religion.
>>>
>>> Especially about that Jesus Christ guy. Son of God indeed!
>>
>> I won't comment here on those specific proposals, but it gets very
>> tiresome when certain religious individuals persist in shoving their
>> religiously-based political agenda up my nose.
>>
>> James the Schnozz
>
> James, I'm afraid we are losing sight of the main purpose of this NG.
> None of the above has a thing to do with Frank Provasek's multiple
> suspensions from eBay.
> Why Frank Provasek refuses to come up with a BELIEVABLE explanation
> for his multiple suspensions and auction cancellations is extremely
> curious. I completely discount his usual claptrap about "vindictive
> individuals" reporting "all" his eBay auctions, especially since he
> has yet to present one iota of proof to back up his wild accusations.
Frank has never attacked me personally in these pages, so I choose to let
him be. Besides, I see firsthand real things on eBay that are far, far more
detrimental to the numismatic hobby than anything that Frank's detractors
have ever accused him of doing.
James the Prioritizer
coinsusa
> None of the above has a thing to do with Frank Provasek's multiple
> suspensions from eBay.
> Why Frank Provasek refuses to come up with a BELIEVABLE explanation for
> his multiple suspensions and auction cancellations is extremely curious.
> I completely discount his usual claptrap about "vindictive individuals"
> reporting "all" his eBay auctions, especially since he has yet to
> present one iota of proof to back up his wild accusations.
> --
> Bob The Focused
Of course the phrase innocent until proven guilty has never crossed
your mind has it.
Why don't you provide the proof that he has actually done
something..... oh you can't
too bad, case dismissed.
Still nothing of value
nothing of interest
nothing of fact.
what a joke.
RWF
FACT: Frank Provasek, by his OWN ADMISSION in this NG, has been
suspended multiple times and had his auctions cancelled by eBay.
I do agree with you that your own posts have nothing of value, nothing
of interest and nothing of fact.
I suspect you may be a sockpuppet of Frank Provasek.
Game. Set. Match.
oly
>
> - Show quoted text -
It had also occurred to me that Frank is awake very early (or still
awake very late) this morning.
oly
PC
"RWF" <fwd...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> what a joke.
FACT:
RWF (aka Bob F.) is a turd and brings very little value to this NG.
RWF
> "RWF" <fwdi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
That would be opinion, not fact.
Although with your limited intellect you probably can't tell the
difference twixt the two.
Here's an example:
FACT: Frank Provasek has been suspended from eBay multiple times.
OPINION: PC is a moronic little troll.
See how it works, dipshit?
Bob F.
>Fate has its way of chastening the wayward. Frank is a tremendous
>blow-hard who was apparently recently injured by a tremendous hard
>blow. Unless we hear something more outrageous from him (and
>undoubtedly we will), I can leave it at that - for the time being.
The wheel of karma has caught up to the oft suspended Mr. Frank
Provasek.
I have been thinking of filing a complaint with eBay for auction
interference by Frank Provasek (FRANKCOINS).
He has urged sellers to block me from bidding on the PCGS board.
Frank Provasek is obsessed with me.
He went thru every feedback I ever left on eBay so as to list the few
well-deserved negatives I left for bad sellers.
Fans of Lil Abner may well remember Joe Btsflk, the character who went
about with a perennial rain cloud over his head, not unlike Mr.
Provasek.
linxlvr
> On Jun 22, 7:52 am, "PC" <P...@minneapolis.mn.us> wrote:
>> "oly" <oly2...@aol.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:a185f1d1-
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>>
>> > Fate has its way of chastening the wayward.
>>
>> Good luck to you and Bob F then. It sounds like you need it.
>
> I know many posters here by their names and often their faces and
> occasionally have met them. You hide, PC, and that makes you the non-
> entity here that you are in life.
>
> oly
It's not how many people know of you, it's what many people think of you
that counts...
But then again I "hide" behind my nick also.
--
dw
Bob F.
"linxlvr" <lin...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Actually it's what you think of yourself that counts...
oly
> On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 07:18:42 -0700, oly wrote:
> > On Jun 22, 7:52 am, "PC" <P...@minneapolis.mn.us> wrote:
> >> "oly" <oly2...@aol.com> wrote in message
>
> >> news:a185f1d1-
>
>
> >> > Fate has its way of chastening the wayward.
>
> >> Good luck to you and Bob F then. It sounds like you need it.
>
> > I know many posters here by their names and often their faces and
> > occasionally have met them. You hide, PC, and that makes you the non-
> > entity here that you are in life.
>
> > oly
>
> It's not how many people know of you, it's what many people think of you
> that counts...
>
> But then again I "hide" behind my nick also.
>
> --
> dw
A rant follows:
Jeezy peezy, it is NOT what people think of you that counts,
especially in a messed-up morally and mentally deteriorating society
where a left-wing, non-white, homosexual elite has taken over the
determination and dissemnination of the system of values (and much
else).
In our present society, even numismatics is threatened because it
reminds people of the actual past in a way that the leftist half-breed
& queer elite cannot quite control. The elites would rewrite history
to suport their system of "values", but the coins and medals and
tokens are immutable - and thus dangerous.
Also, the leftist, half-breed & queer elite cannot tolerate the fact
that historic coins are a generally store of value that is largely
outside of their control (outside of their ability to steal through
currency debasement). Numismatics has to be portrayed as a preserve
of regressive dead white european bigoted males (such as myself)
because ultimately it has to go to the scrap heap - that because the
study of coins occasionally makes people think for themselves.
America is going into a new dark ages (and it is intentional) and
relics of the 18th and 19th Century Enlightenment like Numismatics
(and foreign languages and libraries with real books & old newspapers
and museums with classical European artifacts and even The Hardy Boys)
have to be thoroughly discredited and destroyed.
Regardless, there is an ultimate standard of values, and it is NOT
based upon what other people think of you. NOT NOT NOT!!! PC is a
moron who licks his photos of Al Franken clean with his tongue, in a
daily act of homage and fealty. He used to do the same with photos of
Wellstone.
oly
oly
> > On Jun 22, 7:52 am, "PC" <P...@minneapolis.mn.us> wrote:
> >> "oly" <oly2...@aol.com> wrote in message
>
> >> news:a185f1d1-
>
>
> >> > Fate has its way of chastening the wayward.
>
> >> Good luck to you and Bob F then. It sounds like you need it.
>
> > I know many posters here by their names and often their faces and
> > occasionally have met them. You hide, PC, and that makes you the non-
> > entity here that you are in life.
>
> > oly
>
> It's not how many people know of you, it's what many people think of you
> that counts...
>
> But then again I "hide" behind my nick also.
>
> --
> dw
A rant follows:
Bob F.
> Jeezy peezy, it is NOT what people think of you that counts,
> especially in a messed-up morally and mentally deteriorating society
> where a left-wing, non-white, homosexual elite has taken over the
> determination and dissemnination of the system of values (and much
> else).
I have to agree with Oly here.
Our society is going to hell in a handbasket.
Our standards of morality are at an all time low.
Somehow I feel this must be connected with Frank Provasek's multiple
eBay suspensions!
oly
> "oly" <oly2...@aol.com> wrote in message
Probably so. It must be the case. It all comes back to the bad boy
from Fort Worth.
You can't believe the moronic bullshit that I've already seen this
morning. Mexican-American Moslems (!!!) holding a "Quincentara"
dressed-up like Elvira (the Goth lady who used to sell beer or
schnapps or whatever it was back in the 1980s)!!! The goofy parents
of the poor girl were dressed up like Henry VIII of England and
Catherine of Aragon (but I don't think Queen Catherine was that fat or
ugly). If we have to tolerate 'spics, at least send up some Catholic
ones.
Jeezy peezy.
oly
mazorj
"oly" <oly...@aol.com> wrote in message
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...
> A rant follows:
=======================
Jesus H. Christ, oly, WTF is wrong with you?
"A left-wing, non-white, homosexual elite has taken over the determination
and dissemnination of the system of values (and much else)"? Where the hell
has that happened? As I sit here, Gov. Sanford of SC is being dragged
through the news for having an illicit affair. That sure sounds like
old-time, God-fearing, Christian morality at work. And a gay spokesman is
on NPR whining that Obama is not acting on their needs. That hardly sounds
like the "homosexual elite" having their way and imposing their values on
society. Sen. Larry Craig's reputation has not been rehabilitated after he
was caught trolling for gay partners in an airport rest room.
African-Americans still furtively speak of gay activity as being on the down
low. The stigma of "Don't ask, don't tell hasn't changed for the military.
Congress and other government positions still have closeted gays afraid to
admit their homosexuality. What the hell are you talking about?
"Also, the leftist, half-breed & queer elite cannot tolerate the fact that
historic coins are a generally store of value that is largely outside of
their control (outside of their ability to steal through currency
debasement)"?
What kind of paranoid fantasy conspiracy have you concocted here? Cite
credible examples that prove that "the leftist, half-breed queer elites"
cannot tolerate numismatics for that reason.
BTW, your code use of "half-breed" for Obama is especially repugnant.
Especially considering that even your blue-eyed, pale-skinned Scandinavian
ancestors have to trace their ancestry back to Africa. So what does that
make you? Practically all the DNA in you is of African origin, oly. You're
one of "them" and to the extent that you may claim not to be, in one
interpretation that just makes you a semi-albino mutant from the original
pure racial stock. It cuts both ways, pal. He who lives by racism dies a
thousand deaths through racism.
"Numismatics has to be portrayed as a preserve of regressive dead white
european bigoted males"?
Portrayed by whom? Where? When? Sheesh.
Numismatics "has to go to the scrap heap - that because the study of coins
occasionally makes people think for themselves"?
Hubris on top of paranoia is not a pretty sight. In the grand order of
activities that "make people think for themselves," numismatics ranks
somewhere between gardening and sorting socks. And even if handling a few
gold coins makes a few people a little more appreciative of precious metals,
who, pray tell, is trying to push numismatics onto the scrap heap?
"Foreign languages and libraries with real books & old newspapers and
museums with classical European artifacts and even The Hardy Boys) have to
be thoroughly discredited and destroyed"? Cite credible examples that
anyone, anywhere, is discrediting and destroying them. If anyone is
attacking study and libraries and the reading of real books, it's the
religious fundamentalist right.
"America is going into a new dark ages"? Yes, I agree that's a distinct (if
not entirely likely) possibility, although for reasons that probably are
diametrically opposite to yours. The denigration of science and education
in favor of ignorance and religious dogma is dragging us back into the dark
hells of fundamentalism. Dittoes to the dogmatic diatribes of the
talk-radio echo chamber. The reactions of bigoted reactionaries like you
show that ignorance and fear still drive xenophobia and intolerance. And if
any "elites" have been selling us a bill of goods on values, it's the
age-old story of the rich exploiting the system while selling the unwashed
masses a perverted version of the doctrine of individual responsibility, to
the effect that it's their own damn, lazy-ass fault that they're spoiled
parasites and not millionaires like them - even as middle-class workers are
going broke, are out of work or forced to settle for low-paid dead-end jobs,
are losing their homes, have lost their pensions, can't afford medical
treatment, and can't find a way out of this nightmare version of the
American dream.
If I thought you were on meds, oly, I'd give you the standard UseNet advice
that it's time to renew your scrips. But IMO this is the real you:
ignorant, afraid, paranoid, mean and bigoted. In one sense it's been
interesting to see how you've let more and more of the "real" oly show
through in rcc. A first it was the occasional passing racial or ethnic
slur. Now it's full-blown paranoid rants. I say it's "interesting" in the
way that it's hard to take your eyes off an impending train wreck. But in
either case the end result is tragic and ugly. Maybe it's time you should
look into getting some meds. Not that they'd cure the underlying
pathologies, but maybe they would allow you stick to constructive
contributions about numismatics. Who knows, maybe they'd even allow you
room to think rationally about the events and trends that actually are
harming American society and its citizens.
Mr. Jaggers
> On Jun 24, 8:31 pm, linxlvr <linx...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 07:18:42 -0700, oly wrote:
>>> On Jun 22, 7:52 am, "PC" <P...@minneapolis.mn.us> wrote:
>>>> "oly" <oly2...@aol.com> wrote in message
>>
>>>> news:a185f1d1-
>>
>> a117-49f7-8ab9-7febcf9e7...@p20g2000vbl.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>>>> Fate has its way of chastening the wayward.
>>
>>>> Good luck to you and Bob F then. It sounds like you need it.
>>
>>> I know many posters here by their names and often their faces and
>>> occasionally have met them. You hide, PC, and that makes you the
>>> non- entity here that you are in life.
>>
>>> oly
>>
>> It's not how many people know of you, it's what many people think of
>> you that counts...
>>
>> But then again I "hide" behind my nick also.
>>
>> --
>> dw
>
> A rant follows:
>
> Jeezy peezy, it is NOT what people think of you that counts,
> especially in a messed-up morally and mentally deteriorating society
> where a left-wing, non-white, homosexual elite has taken over the
> determination and dissemnination of the system of values (and much
> else).
Ah, you must be referring to the latest Family Values Party Governor who
just got caught with his britches down, and on Father's Day, no less.
James the Voyeur
Mr. Jaggers
[some snippage here]
> If anyone is attacking study and libraries and the reading of real
> books, it's the religious fundamentalist right.
>
> "America is going into a new dark ages"? Yes, I agree that's a
> distinct (if not entirely likely) possibility, although for reasons
> that probably are diametrically opposite to yours. The denigration
> of science and education in favor of ignorance and religious dogma is
> dragging us back into the dark hells of fundamentalism. Dittoes to
> the dogmatic diatribes of the talk-radio echo chamber.
[additional snippage]
In these observations you have summed up the greatest threats to America
that we have seen since our founding. The actual perpetrators of these have
influence vastly beyond their numbers, thanks to the "state-owned-and-run,
drive-by, extreme left, elite media" that they so thoroughly love to
despise. These preachers and media blowhards have served as vectors of a
disease that kills the mind just as surely as did smallpox and plague kill
the body.
James the Once-Conservative
mazorj
...
< You can't believe the moronic bullshit that I've already seen this
morning. Mexican-American Moslems (!!!) holding a "Quincentara"
dressed-up like Elvira (the Goth lady who used to sell beer or
schnapps or whatever it was back in the 1980s)!!! The goofy parents
of the poor girl were dressed up like Henry VIII of England and
Catherine of Aragon (but I don't think Queen Catherine was that fat or
ugly). If we have to tolerate 'spics, at least send up some Catholic ones.
Jeezy peezy.
oly
========================
Christ on a bicycle, I can hardly believe the moronic bullshit issuing from
your keyboard.
As if we didn't have good ol' American WASPs and non-WASPS (even those damn
papist Catholics!) dressing up on our holidays as Elvi, aliens, monsters
real and mythical, historical figures real and mythical. As if we didn't
have Elviras paired with Richard Nixons, and Jacks the Ripper escorting Snow
Whites, and Cleopatras draped languorously on the arms of hairy gorillas
(how perverted is that?).
Come to think of it, we have some of those even when it's not a holiday
marked by goofy attire and behavior. Good God, oly, your xenophobia really
is ruling your mental roost now.
PC
"mazorj" <maz...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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>
> "oly" <oly...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:68ffb171-aa23-47e3...@v4g2000vba.googlegroups.com...
>
> ...
>
>> A rant follows:
>
> Jeezy peezy, it is NOT what people think of you that counts,
> especially in a messed-up morally and mentally deteriorating society
> where a left-wing, non-white, homosexual elite
Proof positive that he is not grounded in reality. Time to killfile this
jerk.
*plonk*
P.S. not you mazorj
mazorj
"Mr. Jaggers" <lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com> wrote in message
I've just started reading "Deer Hunting with Jesus". It's by a journalist
who decades later returns to his home town of Winchester, VA which is a
typical example of rural bedrock Puritan conservatism and rugged
individuality. (It's just a piece along the road from me so I know whereof
he speaks).
He is surprised and dismayed at how the otherwise good, decent, hard-working
people there have been struggling against the depredations of businessmen
and corporations (the real "elites") who exploit them, while at the same
time mouthing the Limbaugh platitudes that have been fed to them by their
exploiters, who want them to feel lucky that only half their jobs have
disappeared overseas while the other half barely pay above subsistence
level.
Large corporations and local Winchester business moguls grew fat while the
most of the others struggled with decisions like whether to scrimp on buying
food or their meds this month. Nevertheless, any measures that might help
restore any balance to the playing field are denounced as socialism that
will rot the heart out of Amurrica as we know and love it. The corporations
and local business barons must always be treated with reverence for their
largesse and the jobs they provide, even if the largesse was made possible
only through the low-paying jobs they deign to offer from on high. If
anyone besides themselves is to be held responsible for their marginal
conditions, it's those damn librul elites and their parasite minorities. I
see all this as a parallel offshoot of the dumbing down of America that has
been inflicted on our populace.
Furthermore, while his thesis may sound like an "elitist librul rant" he's
actually quite critical of the cocktail party crowd because they too have
started to believe their own PR. They have lost contact with this large
segment of working-class America and look down on them. They've forgotten
that these folks are precisely the people who once were the backbone and
principal beneficiaries of progressive politics. He also finds that when
you scratch beneath the typical dittoing of the platitudes and focus these
working-class folks on the specifics of their lives, they end up agreeing
with many of the traditional populist "librul" ideas. IOW, everyone -
including activists as well as the "closet" liberals and the rabid
conservatives - has put themselves into a black box where prejudice and
stereotypes trump thoughtful discovery, analysis, and cooperative action.
Liberals aren't immune to self-destructive dumbing down, either.
Of course, oly locked himself in that closet ages ago. Except in his case
it's now brewing up to pathological proportions and starting to leak out
around the edges because he no longer can keep a lid on it. I'm not saying
that with any of the gleeful satisfaction of UseNet schadenfreude, only with
regret. It really is sad to see this kind of descent into the heart of
darkness by an otherwise intelligent person.
I suspect that although you find oly's behavior unacceptable, your sense of
decorum will keep you from getting really down and dirty on it. That's
okay - for similar reasons I stayed out of the recently concluded Breen
Wars. And I'm sure that Finnan and/or some of his nyms will come to the aid
of his rcc ally oly. (How is it that a self-proclaimed socialist is also a
closet bigot? Go figure.) But I'm tired of saying nothing in response to
his mean-spirited bigotry and ignorance. My apologies in advance to anyone
who is offended by OT flame wars. Now that he's in full rant mode, he's
going to get it back in kind.
- mazorj the Just
Mr. Jaggers
[references to oly snipped]
> But IMO this is the real
> you: ignorant, afraid, paranoid, mean and bigoted. In one sense it's
> been interesting to see how you've let more and more of the "real"
> ...[you] show through in... A first it was the occasional passing
> racial or ethnic slur. Now it's full-blown paranoid rants. I say
> it's "interesting" in the way that it's hard to take your eyes off an
> impending train wreck. But in either case the end result is tragic
> and ugly. Maybe it's time you should look into getting some meds. Not
> that they'd cure the underlying pathologies, but maybe they would
> allow you stick to constructive contributions about numismatics. Who
> knows, maybe they'd even allow you room to think rationally about the
> events and trends that actually are harming American society and its
> citizens.
This paragraph is an exact fit for a coin dealer whom I've known and done
business with for over a quarter of a century. For the first 20 of those
years we got along famously, and there were no politics or religion in the
equation at all. But then he started listening 3 hours a day to Limbaugh,
followed by 3 hours of Hannity, followed by 3 hours of "Christian" radio,
all at a volume that could easily be heard by anyone as soon as he walked in
the door. Once I objected to all this, an indication in his eyes that I was
a pablum-puker, he started in on me every time I visited the shop, to the
point where I can no longer stomach going in there. It's really sad to see
how the mind drugs of talk radio have virtually destroyed one of the finest
gentlemen I have ever known.
James the Radiofan
mazorj
"PC" <P...@minneapolis.mn.us> wrote in message
news:h1vv5c$5co$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
Following the advice of Machiavelli and the Godfather, I never killfile
anyone, *especially* my opponents. (I say "opponents" because I can't think
of anyone on UseNet who qualifies as a genuine "enemy" of mine.) (But then,
I've never been on-line with Limbaugh, Hannity, Coulter, or any of the other
rabid attack dogs.)
> P.S. not you mazorj
Likewise, I'm sure! It's bad enough that I have to bear the shame and
burden of having been plonked twice now by Finnan. Life hardly seems worth
living in such ignominious humiliation and isolation.
PC
>
>>
>> Proof positive that he is not grounded in reality. Time to killfile this
>> jerk.
>>
>> *plonk*
>
> Following the advice of Machiavelli and the Godfather, I never killfile
> anyone, *especially* my opponents.
Interesting thought. In my view listening to his hateful propoganda does
nothing but add negativity to my life. I am better off not hearing that
crap and feel that it is best to not try to engage someone who is so lost in
his imaginary world of evil libruls and "half-breed" leaders. That kind of
talk just makes me want to puke. To engage Oly would be like Don Quixote
battling windmills. Never engage in debate with hateful morons. They will
only drag you down to their level and then beat you because they are experts
at that level.
I called him out correctly a long time ago when Oly was taunting Ira with
his hateful anti-semitic "Ira-whey" moniker. Any doubt I held with regard
to that harsh assessment has been erased with his recent rants.
>> P.S. not you mazorj
>
> Likewise, I'm sure! It's bad enough that I have to bear the shame and
> burden of having been plonked twice now by Finnan. Life hardly seems
> worth living in such ignominious humiliation and isolation.
You must be talking about Oly's girlfriend. Finnan is a curious case. He
has built up quite the impressive defense mechanism for dealing with others
and his own perceived inferiority. I take getting killfiled by him as a
badge of honor. You have been twice as honored as I, it seems.
Mr. Jaggers
All this has been facilitated by the now-ubiquitous availability of opinions
ready-to-wear. Now, everybody can be an expert on everything. Why do any
thinking at all when all you need to do is regurgitate a few 30-second sound
bites? I remember a time, and so do you, when people were much more willing
to consider opposing points of view. What really is hard for even me to
understand is how, during the 19th century, people like Robert Ingersoll
still managed to play to houses packed with conservatives and religious
fundamentalists. While I was doing a recent research project, I had to go
back through some smalltown newspapers from the 1860s through the 1910s and
was amazed at the open-minded and intellectual content I found.
> Of course, oly locked himself in that closet ages ago. Except in his
> case it's now brewing up to pathological proportions and starting to
> leak out around the edges because he no longer can keep a lid on it. I'm
> not saying that with any of the gleeful satisfaction of UseNet
> schadenfreude, only with regret. It really is sad to see this kind
> of descent into the heart of darkness by an otherwise intelligent
> person.
> I suspect that although you find oly's behavior unacceptable, your
> sense of decorum will keep you from getting really down and dirty on
> it. That's okay - for similar reasons I stayed out of the recently
> concluded Breen Wars. And I'm sure that Finnan and/or some of his
> nyms will come to the aid of his rcc ally oly. (How is it that a
> self-proclaimed socialist is also a closet bigot? Go figure.) But
> I'm tired of saying nothing in response to his mean-spirited bigotry
> and ignorance. My apologies in advance to anyone who is offended by
> OT flame wars. Now that he's in full rant mode, he's going to get it
> back in kind.
Oly and I have a number of things in common besides numismatics, and we have
met and talked in person at a number of shows. While I have never met Bob,
he and I share an interest in Canadian numismatics, as well as linguistic
topics. I enjoy interacting with them on those common grounds, and do not
expect them or anyone else to buy into "my" agenda any more than I might buy
into theirs. The relative anonymity of Usenet often brings out the seamier
side of us all, and we say things that we might never say face to face, so I
have to look past a lot of things. This anonymity also normally hides
completely any crosses that we individually bear that contribute to the way
we are.
As for the Breen Wars, they are likely never to be concluded. I felt that I
had to plonk Reid at one point just to extricate myself from what I
considered a repetitive and abusive personal attack, but have since
unplonked him and will consider his views once again, but only on other
topics. In the end, each of us has to formulate his own rules of engagement
where r.c.c. is concerned.
James the Philosopher
mazorj
>
> "mazorj" <maz...@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:EPM0m.1111$9l4...@nwrddc01.gnilink.net...
>>
>>> Proof positive that he is not grounded in reality. Time to killfile
>>> this jerk.
>>>
>>> *plonk*
>>
>> Following the advice of Machiavelli and the Godfather, I never killfile
>> anyone, *especially* my opponents.
>
> Interesting thought. In my view listening to his hateful propoganda does
> nothing but add negativity to my life. I am better off not hearing that
> crap and feel that it is best to not try to engage someone who is so lost
> in his imaginary world of evil libruls and "half-breed" leaders. That
> kind of talk just makes me want to puke.
Me too, but after 26 years on the Internet I guess I'm immune to it.
> To engage Oly would be like Don Quixote battling windmills. Never engage
> in debate with hateful morons. They will only drag you down to their
> level and then beat you because they are experts at that level.
After 26 years on the Internet I've had to sink to their level countless
times. I don't go looking for trouble, but when not intervening would leave
me feeling guilty about "good men doing nothing in the face of evil" I put
on my biohazard suit and have at them in the language that they understand.
You're right in that you'll never change their minds. The point is not to
let their specious crap go unanswered in front of God and everybody on the
Internet.
> I called him out correctly a long time ago when Oly was taunting Ira with
> his hateful anti-semitic "Ira-whey" moniker. Any doubt I held with regard
> to that harsh assessment has been erased with his recent rants.
He really is going over the top now.
>>> P.S. not you mazorj
>>
>> Likewise, I'm sure! It's bad enough that I have to bear the shame and
>> burden of having been plonked twice now by Finnan. Life hardly seems
>> worth living in such ignominious humiliation and isolation.
>
> You must be talking about Oly's girlfriend. Finnan is a curious case. He
> has built up quite the impressive defense mechanism for dealing with
> others and his own perceived inferiority. I take getting killfiled by him
> as a badge of honor. You have been twice as honored as I, it seems.
And other than occasionally disagreeing with him, I didn't even have to work
at it. <To stay on topic: Yes, I am shamelessly gloating over that even
though his numerous plonkings of late have devalued that particular
coinage.>
P.S. - Just to yank oly's chains: I just heard that tonight there will be a
vote on whether to rename a Maryland elementary school after Obama. Poor
oly. He'll never get the yellow and brown stains out of those pants.
Mr. Jaggers
I would not support that proposal. Maybe ten years from now, but not now.
James the Procrastinator
oly
>
> - Show quoted text -
Oh please, majorz. Yep, us white right-wing conservatives are so-so-
so messed up. Word is that just the other day, when they had the
Metro crash in the northern edge of the District, the emergency rooms
of D.C., Maryland and even Northern Virginia were clogged up by
70,000+ "diversities" who claimed that they had been on the one of the
two crashed trains and been injured. Us white "crackers" don't have
shit like that happen where we live.
oly
oly
>
> - Show quoted text -
Us bigot white folks don't have to make this shit up. BTW, the
reporter is a good friend, so I suspect everything is really real:
http://www.lincolncourier.com/lifestyle/celebrations/x1662364245/PHOTO-GALLERY-Quinceanera
oly
Bruce Remick
______________
"Word is.....? Just curious, which news source do you rely on to form your
opinions? I live in the DC suburbs and must have missed the events you
cite.
linxlvr
> Actually it's what you think of yourself that counts...
Actually, I just responded in an offhand way to test the ISP's server,
knowing the bait would be too much for certain others.
Actually, I believe it is your relationship to God that matters, so I
believe you are just as wrong as I was.
But that is just my belief system, right?
--
dw
Mr. Jaggers
> Actually, I believe it is your relationship to God that matters
Now there's a religious statement that I can accept, provided that 1) one
doesn't make public claims as to the nature of that relationship, and 2) one
doesn't speculate as to another's relationship to God. Unfortunately, I
have found precious few believers who accept even one of those two
conditions. Instead, the mode is to tout one's relationship with God in a
blasphemous attempt to demonstrate his superiority over others.
James the Sinner
mazorj
"Mr. Jaggers" <lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com> wrote in message
...
> All this has been facilitated by the now-ubiquitous availability of
> opinions ready-to-wear. Now, everybody can be an expert on everything.
> Why do any thinking at all when all you need to do is regurgitate a few
> 30-second sound bites? I remember a time, and so do you, when people were
> much more willing to consider opposing points of view. What really is
> hard for even me to understand is how, during the 19th century, people
> like Robert Ingersoll still managed to play to houses packed with
> conservatives and religious fundamentalists. While I was doing a recent
> research project, I had to go back through some smalltown newspapers from
> the 1860s through the 1910s and was amazed at the open-minded and
> intellectual content I found.
While I wouldn't want to wax too romantic about those by-gone days -
journalism, political debate, and parlor discourse going all the way back to
colonial times had large doses of what we would recognize as the same kind
of unthinking rancor that we see today - there was a certain presumed
requirement for civility, tolerance, and open-mindedness that seems to have
evaporated in recent years. As recently as the 1980s, politicians of
opposite views would interact with civility and collegialism when they
weren't unloading their rhetoric on reporters and the Congressional Record.
Sometimes the civility masked disregard for the other's views ("My esteemed
colleague from the great state of X" often being code for "That jerk from
the dismal marches of X") but at least the decorum and due deference usually
were there.
(Marginally Useless Trivia: Ingersol was born in Illinois and taught school
in Mt. Vernon, IL, some 160 miles south of oly's cave. Worth noting only
because of oly's frequent, marginally correct claims regarding Lincoln's
Illinoisian provenance.)
I've agreed with and exchanged witticisms with Bob, and I respect his
opinons on coins when he's not drilling on his favorite targets of derision.
I've had enough exchanges with oly to know for sure that we aren't twins
separated at birth, but I find nuggets of useful facts and thought-provoking
opinions in parts of his postings as well - even WRT economics and politics.
However, perhaps it's just as well that I've never met either (although I am
intimately familiar with Finnan's cliffside village of residence). Based on
what I know about them, I would find it rather uncomfortable to meet face to
face. Not that I wouldn't be civil or that they couldn't, but it's one
thing to learn negative things after the fact about someone you already know
personally. If OTOH all you know of them is what they type on the Internet,
and some of those things are contemptible, it's hard to keep your contempt
out of the equation.
> As for the Breen Wars, they are likely never to be concluded. I felt that
> I had to plonk Reid at one point just to extricate myself from what I
> considered a repetitive and abusive personal attack, but have since
> unplonked him and will consider his views once again, but only on other
> topics. In the end, each of us has to formulate his own rules of
> engagement where r.c.c. is concerned.
I figured you must have been pretty burned out when you, an avowed
non-plonker, killfiled him. Skimming and skipping posts is the thinking
man's first rule of UseNet engagement. Unless I'm already involved in the
thread or have marked it for following, I only read maybe one in four or
five posts in their entirety. I'm sure there are posters here who only give
my posts the 1-in-5 check or even automatically skip over anything from
mazorj. Machts nicht even if they killfile me because the First Amendment
isn't a two-way street. If what I have to say isn't useful, informative, or
entertaining, I don't deserve and shouldn't expect a following.
Speaking of trying to be entertaining while getting back on topic, did you
hear the one about the priest, the rabbi, and the numismatist who walked
into a bar? The priest and the rabbi were looking for lost souls to rescue.
The numismatist was there to pass out presidential dollars as tips, nyuk,
nyuk, nyuk.
(I may have to killfile myself after that one.)
- mazorj, King of the Cornball
linxlvr
> A rant follows:
>
> Jeezy peezy, it is NOT what people think of you that counts, especially
> in a messed-up morally and mentally deteriorating society
At what time in US history was man not corrupt?
8><---------------
>where a
> left-wing, non-white, homosexual elite
Cute... I see you do inuendos ...
8><-----------------
has taken over the determination and dissemnination of the system of
values (and much else).
all. That alone should make us all see how evil they really are.
8><-------------------
What values? Let the rich get richer and the poor get poorer?
That has created civilization in history to have revolutions than
anything else. And your surprised we may be ending up with one?
I thought a self righteous corporate elite took over washing ton and the
Banks years ago, and we are still suffering from their house of cards.
8><-----------
>
> In our present society, even numismatics is threatened because it
> reminds people of the actual past in a way that the leftist half-breed &
> queer elite cannot quite control.
8><-----------------
It doesn't even make enough sense to debate.
8><-----------------
> The elites would rewrite history to
> suport their system of "values", but the coins and medals and tokens are
> immutable - and thus dangerous.
8><-----------------
It doesn't even make enough sense to debate. Again. I know of no evidence
in history of numismatics preventing either the rise or fall of
Governments. BTW -- Your kind thought it was fine to take "LIBERTY"
off the dollar coin, so I guess you might be right.
8><-----------------
>
> Also, the leftist, half-breed & queer elite cannot tolerate the fact
> that historic coins are a generally store of value that is largely
> outside of their control
8><----------------
What world are you living in? Our coins are so debased it isn't funny.
Unless you want to sell me Bust 1/2's for 50 cents modern US coinage.
8><-----------------
(outside of their ability to steal through
> currency debasement). Numismatics has to be portrayed as a preserve of
> regressive dead white european bigoted males (such as myself) because
> ultimately it has to go to the scrap heap - that because the study of
> coins occasionally makes people think for themselves.
8><---------------
Who is trying to end Numismatics? The US has been pushing Numismatics, in
their own interests of course.
8><---------------
>
> America is going into a new dark ages (and it is intentional) and relics
> of the 18th and 19th Century Enlightenment like Numismatics (and foreign
> languages and libraries with real books & old newspapers and museums
> with classical European artifacts and even The Hardy Boys) have to be
> thoroughly discredited and destroyed.
8><----------------
I would recommend to you to start reading the history books you so often
speak of. When was this great period when all was right in mankind. And
when did it start to decline.
8><------------------
>
> Regardless, there is an ultimate standard of values, and it is NOT based
> upon what other people think of you.
8><-----------------
With that I agree w/ my heart and my life. And may you learn the grace
that builds the bridge that you must cross.
8><----------------
Bob F.
>8><-----------
>> Actually it's what you think of yourself that counts...
>
> Actually, I just responded in an offhand way to test the ISP's server,
> knowing the bait would be too much for certain others.
>
> Actually, I believe it is your relationship to God that matters, so I
> believe you are just as wrong as I was.
So, you admit you're just a troll.
Few trolls are so forthcoming.
Bob F.
news:oyS0m.8201$Uq5....@newsfe23.iad...
> "Word is.....? Just curious, which news source do you rely on to
> form your opinions? I live in the DC suburbs and must have missed
> the events you cite.
Well, I lived in NYC for many years and can speak from first-hand
experience when I say that people would run to jump onto a bus that was
just involved in an accident.
The vast majority (but not all) of them were of the "minority"
persuasion.
mazorj
"Mr. Jaggers" <lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com> wrote in message
> mazorj wrote:
...
>> P.S. - Just to yank oly's chains: I just heard that tonight there
>> will be a vote on whether to rename a Maryland elementary school
>> after Obama.
>
> I would not support that proposal. Maybe ten years from now, but not now.
Right. I don't think that as with the coinage rule, presidents should have
to die before they qualify. But there should be a school and street naming
rule like the one that governs induction into the baseball hall of fame.
Bruce Remick
"Bob F." <ad...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:h2120g$2b9$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
I can't dispute what you've seen in NYC. But with this particular DC
incident, I just wondered about the reliability of oly's news source for the
anecdote he was passing on as the "word".
Mr. Jaggers
The average citizen did not have anywhere near the access to that rancor
that we have today. These days it's very difficult to avoid.
> (Marginally Useless Trivia: Ingersol was born in Illinois and taught
> school in Mt. Vernon, IL, some 160 miles south of oly's cave. Worth
> noting only because of oly's frequent, marginally correct claims
> regarding Lincoln's Illinoisian provenance.)
He was also Attorney General of Illinois for a time, a lifelong Republican,
and a mostly lifelong deist, imagine!
As Johnny Carson often quipped to his audience, "Get the ones you can."
>> As for the Breen Wars, they are likely never to be concluded. I
>> felt that I had to plonk Reid at one point just to extricate myself
>> from what I considered a repetitive and abusive personal attack, but
>> have since unplonked him and will consider his views once again, but
>> only on other topics. In the end, each of us has to formulate his
>> own rules of engagement where r.c.c. is concerned.
>
> I figured you must have been pretty burned out when you, an avowed
> non-plonker, killfiled him. Skimming and skipping posts is the
> thinking man's first rule of UseNet engagement. Unless I'm already
> involved in the thread or have marked it for following, I only read
> maybe one in four or five posts in their entirety. I'm sure there
> are posters here who only give my posts the 1-in-5 check or even
> automatically skip over anything from mazorj. Machts nicht even if
> they killfile me because the First Amendment isn't a two-way street. If
> what I have to say isn't useful, informative, or entertaining, I
> don't deserve and shouldn't expect a following.
Yes, I am guilty as charged. I'll try to do better, I promise.
> Speaking of trying to be entertaining while getting back on topic,
> did you hear the one about the priest, the rabbi, and the numismatist
> who walked into a bar? The priest and the rabbi were looking for
> lost souls to rescue. The numismatist was there to pass out
> presidential dollars as tips, nyuk, nyuk, nyuk.
Mazor, go to jail. Go directly to jail. Do not pass GO. Do not collect
$200.
James the Park Place Builder
oly
>
> - Show quoted text -
As for Lincoln's provenance, nobody said it better than the man
himself:
http://showcase.netins.net/web/creative/lincoln/speeches/farewell.htm
This is one of the great set-pieces of American history; Springpatch
has every right to be proud of it.
If you can show me where Lincoln said anything half so heartfelt about
Kentucky or Indiana or his father's Matoon, Illinois homestead, it
would be news to me.
oly
Bob F.
Human nature being what it is, I have no doubt there were lowlifes of
all races eager to make a quick buck on this tragedy.
The DC area is heavily populated by minorities, so it would stand to
reason that a large amount of minorities would be involved in trying to
perpetrate a fraud on the city/insurance companies.
Typically the insurance companies and city will pay nuisance value to
the vast majority of questionable claims since it is cheaper than
litigation.
Bruce Remick
"Bob F." <ad...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
I haven't read anything to that fraud effect in the massive amount of local
coverage. If there were something to it, I'm sure the media would be
fighting over who got to report it first.
I do think that the local lawyers started salivating as soon the slightest
hint of negligence on the part of Metro was reported.
mazorj
"Bob F." <ad...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:h2120g$2b9$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
> news:oyS0m.8201$Uq5....@newsfe23.iad...
>> "Word is.....? Just curious, which news source do you rely on to form
>> your opinions? I live in the DC suburbs and must have missed the events
>> you cite.
>
> Well, I lived in NYC for many years and can speak from first-hand
> experience when I say that people would run to jump onto a bus that was
> just involved in an accident.
So let oly kick the Big Apple all he wants. You'll be providing subtle or
not so subtle support for his bigotry anyway. Just don't try to generalize
that to "70,000 DC minority types".
> The vast majority (but not all) of them were of the "minority" persuasion.
Which means nothing unless you have an accurate census of all the minorities
and non-minorities among the by-standers. In many areas where DC buses run
through, you'd have a hard time finding enough whites on the street to field
a pick-up basketball team. I imagine the same is true for many areas of NYC
too.
oly
I said nothing about NYC as I have only been there a few times. As
for D.C., I have been there plenty and it is a riot of "diversities".
oly
mazorj
...
> Oh please, majorz. Yep, us white right-wing conservatives are so-so-
so messed up.
I was addressing you, not all right-wing conservatives. Stop putting words
in my mouth, you lying, racist POS.
> Word is that just the other day, when they had the
Metro crash in the northern edge of the District, the emergency rooms
of D.C., Maryland and even Northern Virginia were clogged up by
70,000+ "diversities" who claimed that they had been on the one of the
two crashed trains and been injured. Us white "crackers" don't have
shit like that happen where we live.
As the late Ronald Reagan famously said, "There you go again." If he had
been addressing you, even he would have added "you damn liar" at the end.
70,000? Put up or shut up, jackass. Provide an authoritative, credible
cite for your vicious, bigoted mendacity. Talk radio idiots and your anus
do not count as credible sources.
And since you opened the door with your hypocritical pious claim to moral
superiority in your neck of the woods...
If there's any accident insurance fraud in River City, it's your own
Bloomington homeboy insurance company that's been guilty of it. "A group of
active and former State Farm agents earlier presented a letter to the United
States Senate Commerce Committee discussing State Farm's fraudulent use of
medical utilization review companies designed to lower payments to victims
in auto accidents, fraudulent use of after-market auto parts, history of
misrepresenting life insurance policies as investment vehicles, overcharging
on homeowner's insurance and de facto redlining."
http://www.disasterprepared.net/board/messages/343.html
"Honest white crackers" my ass.
Further evidence that Illinois is the real refuge of accident scoundrels:
"Buying a used car has always been a little risky. Was the car once crunched
on the Kennedy? Mangled on the Hillside Strangler? Is the magic of a body
shop hiding something? It's not in a salesman's interest to divulge that
information, and a mechanic might not ferret it out. In recent years,
though, buyers have turned to companies like Carfax and public databases to
uncover a car's history. That ability has given consumers some confidence.
Did you know, though, that those vehicle history reports don't list Illinois
accidents? Did you know there are huge holes in the data? That, shamefully,
is the case in Illinois. And it's dictated by state law. Unless a car has
been totaled and an insurance claim filed in the state, there's virtually no
way for prospective buyers to find out if a car has been in a wreck here.
Information on reported traffic accidents comes to the Illinois Department
of Transportation. But the law explicitly prohibits the department from
publicly releasing the data."
- Chicago Tribune editorial, 3/1/06
"Honest white crackers" my ass. More like a bunch of thieves aided and
abetted by their lackeys in Springpatch.
Auto insurance fraud by Illinois cops? Sure, we've got that:
http://cbs2chicago.com/investigations/towing.scam.cop.2.949611.html
I could go on, but as I said in an earlier post, you're never going to
change your mind so why bother. All I need is enough to debunk your moronic
racist drivel, and deflate your misplaced, overweening sense of moral
superiority.
Got any more bigoted lies and self-righteous BS about your "honest white
cracker" homies to offer us, oly? Bring it on. Right now you're batting
less than zero.
mazorj
http://www.lincolncourier.com/lifestyle/celebrations/x1662364245/PHOTO-GALLERY-Quinceanera
No, you don't have to make this stuff up as long as you make up or lie about
what I was critiquing you for. Go back and re-read what I said, oly. I
never even hinted at doubting this story. All I did was express incredulity
over the fact that it has escaped your attention that folks "just like you"
dress and behave in equally silly ways on our holidays.
The only possibilities are 1.) You've deliberately "mistaken" the thrust and
intent of my previous comments, i.e., you're lying, or 2.) You are dumb
enough to be the original inspiration for all the Olly and Lena and Ole and
Sven jokes, or 3.) You're dumb enough to think that we're dumb enough not
to notice your bait and switch evasion here. Since you chose to respond to
this in another threadline and not by replying directly to my posted message
where I responded to your comments about this news story, I'm leaning toward
#3. But who knows, at this point I'm wondering if maybe you are dense
enough to fit #2. I already know that you are mendacious enough to try #1.
mazorj
And you're a riot of mendacities. Where proof of the 70,000?
mazorj
"Bob F." <ad...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
So you agree with oly's claim of 70,000? Poop or get off the pot,
Finnan. Either you agree with oly's wild-eyed claim or you don't.
mazorj
> As for Lincoln's provenance, nobody said it better than the man
> himself:
>
> http://showcase.netins.net/web/creative/lincoln/speeches/farewell.htm
>
> This is one of the great set-pieces of American history; Springpatch
has every right to be proud of it.
>
> If you can show me where Lincoln said anything half so heartfelt
> about
Kentucky or Indiana or his father's Matoon, Illinois homestead, it
would be news to me.
I said by provenance, not by preference. Lincoln was from Kentucky,
then Indiana, and spent the first 21 of his 56 years there, not in
Illinois. (I wonder how many Americans are aware of that factoid?)
Lincoln may have left his heart in Illinois but by birth and early
provenance he was no more an Illinoisan than George W. Bush is a
Texan. By birth and by provenance, Bush is a Yale- and
Harvard-educated Connecticut Yankee, not a good ol' down-home Texas
boy. No matter how many times he may proclaim his place in the Lone
Star State, or how many Texans claim him as their own, he's still a
New England damyankee. Nothing wrong with that, them's just the
facts, just as Lincoln is rightly claimed through birth by Kentucky.
Springpatchians can rightly be proud of their association with the
Great Emancipator, but you will just have to share him with others.
My father was born a stone's throw from Carbondale in a company
shantytown not all that far from the Kentucky line. As an infant he
moved to Chicago and then to Detroit. If you asked him where he was
from, he never said Chicago or Detroit. It always was the small
coal-belt village that he left before reaching the age of 2, of which
he had absolutely no memories. Roots is roots and they're determined
at birth.
oly
> "oly" <oly2...@aol.com> wrote in message
Lincoln very much rejected his father ("his roots") and wouldn't even
go and see him in his last illness. Obama doesn't say jack-shit about
his being born in Kenya ("his roots") (and thus avoids the likelihood
that he is ineligible to be the POTUS).
oly
Jerry Dennis
> Finnan is a curious case. He has built up quite the impressive
> defense mechanism for dealing with others and his own perceived
> inferiority. I take getting killfiled by him as a badge of honor. You
> have been twice as honored as I, it seems.
I had to jump in here with a reminiscent thought... the "Bench of RCC-
er's who were banned from bidding on Alan Hagar's or ASA-Accugrade's
ebay auctions." There were a LOT of us.
Jerry
Little River Band
mazorj
...
< Lincoln very much rejected his father ("his roots") and wouldn't even
go and see him in his last illness.
Point taken. It doesn't change the fact that he was born in Kentucky, moved
to Indiana, and didn't come to Illinois until the first 3/8 of his life
already had gone by. IL has its claim to him, so does KY and even IN. That
was my only point so it's case closed as far as I'm concerned.
> Obama doesn't say jack-shit about
his being born in Kenya ("his roots") (and thus avoids the likelihood
that he is ineligible to be the POTUS).
You've made this false claim before and others have demanded proof that you
have not yet supplied. IOW you continue to lie about Obama's birthplace,
just as you lie with your other racist rants.
However, all this is your attempt to divert attention from your original
racist rants. To restore your focus, oly, here's what started it along some
of with my response, to which you have yet to respond. I've numbered them
so please respond by the numbers:
1. "A left-wing, non-white, homosexual elite has taken over the
determination
and dissemnination of the system of values (and much else)"? Where the hell
has that happened? As I sit here, Gov. Sanford of SC is being dragged
through the news for having an illicit affair. That sure sounds like
old-time, God-fearing, Christian morality at work. And a gay spokesman is
on NPR whining that Obama is not acting on their needs. That hardly sounds
like the "homosexual elite" having their way and imposing their values on
society. Sen. Larry Craig's reputation has not been rehabilitated after he
was caught trolling for gay partners in an airport rest room.
African-Americans still furtively speak of gay activity as being on the down
low. The stigma of "Don't ask, don't tell hasn't changed for the military.
Congress and other government positions still have closeted gays afraid to
admit their homosexuality. What the hell are you talking about?
It's not enough simply to respond to a few of my examples here. Prove that
"A left-wing, non-white, homosexual elite has taken over the determination
and dissemnination of the system of values (and much else)".
2. "Also, the leftist, half-breed & queer elite cannot tolerate the fact
that
historic coins are a generally store of value that is largely outside of
their control (outside of their ability to steal through currency
debasement)"?
What kind of paranoid fantasy conspiracy have you concocted here? Cite
credible examples that prove that "the leftist, half-breed queer elites"
cannot tolerate numismatics for that reason.
3. "Numismatics has to be portrayed as a preserve of regressive dead white
european bigoted males"?
Who issued that diktat? Who is portraying it thus? Where? When?
4. Numismatics "has to go to the scrap heap - that because the study of
coins
occasionally makes people think for themselves"?
Hubris on top of paranoia is not a pretty sight. In the grand order of
activities that "make people think for themselves," numismatics ranks
somewhere between gardening and sorting socks. And even if handling a few
gold coins makes a few people a little more appreciative of precious metals,
who, pray tell, is trying to push numismatics onto the scrap heap?
5. "Foreign languages and libraries with real books & old newspapers and
museums with classical European artifacts and even The Hardy Boys) have to
be thoroughly discredited and destroyed"? Cite credible examples that
anyone, anywhere, is discrediting and destroying them.
There it is, oly. Five lunatic statements riddled with paranoid xenophobia,
racism, conspiracy theory, and lousy reasoning. You had the gall to post
this crap, but you don't have the balls to prove it when someone calls you
down on it.
You played the gibbering idiot here. Either defend your racist fantasies or
admit them for what they are and apologize.
<Attempt #2 to get oly to justify this rant>
oly
> "oly" <oly2...@aol.com> wrote in message
So if Obama was born in Kenya and his mother took him out of there a
couple of weeks later, he's Kenyan through and through???
The Obama people have been called on the carpet on his "Haiwaiian
birth certificate" time after time and they stonewall.
Nothing wrong with paranoid xenophobia, by the way. And those who
beat their swords into plowshares usually end up as slaves ploughing
for those who don't.
oly
Bruce Remick
oly
So then vetting the legal birthplace of any candidate for president of the
US is just a casual thing, established by a cursory search of the Internet,
monitoring newsgroups, or by just asking around? You should take this
privileged birth information you have and get it to the proper people.
Maybe to those same people who have been "calling the Obama people on the
carpet".
mazorj
Stop dodging the questions.
> The Obama people have been called on the carpet on his "Haiwaiian
birth certificate" time after time and they stonewall.
Stop dodging the questions.
> Nothing wrong with paranoid xenophobia, by the way. And those who
beat their swords into plowshares usually end up as slaves ploughing
for those who don't.
Paranoia and phobia by definition are pathological conditions. Normal,
healthy people don't see phantom bogeymen out to get them (your paranoia),
and they exercise reasonable caution when facing something new and unknown,
as opposed to being possessed by irrational fears (your phobias). You're a
sick man, oly. Now that you've indirectly admitted this, maybe you can do
something about it.
Nowhere have I supported, suggested, or even implied that anyone should
hammer swords into farming implements. All of your responses here were
intended to - SURPRISE! - dodge responsibility for your racist rants and
avoid answering my questions.
Answer the questions, you racist POS.
< Attempt #3 to get oly to justify this rant >
< Times that oly has run away from the question: 2 >
oly
> "oly" <oly2...@aol.com> wrote in message
>
> - Show quoted text -
And exactly who has the abnormal psychological condition??? By your
queer-elite standards, you shouldn't be spending the time to respond
to me. By your standards, you are so obviously right and I am so
onbviously wrong that I don't deserve your spittle, yet you spend
quite a bit of time and emotional frustration on me.
So I'm the one with the problem??? I don't think so.
oly
Bob F.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Odd that mazor and his buttbuddy PC don't find Sonia's anti-white tirade
racist and bigoted.
Oh, I forgot, it isn't racism if it's directed toward white males.
mazorj
"Bob F." <ad...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
> Odd that mazor and his buttbuddy PC don't find Sonia's anti-white tirade
> racist and bigoted.
Odd that you would make such an accusation when you have no understanding of
my views on the nominee.
> Oh, I forgot, it isn't racism if it's directed toward white males.
It can be. I know from observation that some African-Americans are every
bit as rabid racists as their white racist counterparts. Which means that
they too are guilty of ignorance, prejudice, bigotry, and have the same
pathologies as oly.
And if you're going to attack me, take me off your killfile (if you haven't
already done so unannounced) so you can see my responses to you and reply
directly instead of pretending that you have no interest in what I say.
mazorj
You're the one who said "Nothing wrong with paranoid xenophobia."
< By your queer-elite standards,
You have no idea what my standards are.
< you shouldn't be spending the time to respond to me.
One of my standards is that to let evil go unanswered is to condone it.
That's why you're in my cross-hairs. You're a sick, rascist POS and you
should be held accountable for what you say.
< By your standards, you are so obviously right and I am so onbviously wrong
Not just my standards. Those are the standards of any fair, responsible
citizen who despises ignorance and bigotry.
< that I don't deserve your spittle,
You don't. You do deserve my unadulterated contempt and to he held
accountable for your hateful racist screeds.
< yet you spend quite a bit of time and emotional frustration on me.
Don't overestimate yourself, oly. The time I spend excoriating your blatant
racism is trivial when compared to the importance of not letting your evil
go unanswered. Emotional frustration? Quite the opposite. Frustration
would enter the picture only if I did nothing and let your hateful evil go
unanswered.
< So I'm the one with the problem??? I don't think so.
Of course you wouldn't. As I said, I have no hope of changing your
attitudes and opinions. All I can do is respond to, and hold you
accountable for your pathologies.
So stop jinking and answer the questions.
< Attempt #4 to get oly to justify this rant >
< Times that oly has run away from the question: 3 >
PC
>
> "Bob F." <ad...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
> news:h2358f$ptl$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>
>> Odd that mazor and his buttbuddy PC don't find Sonia's anti-white tirade
>> racist and bigoted.
>
> Odd that you would make such an accusation when you have no understanding
> of my views on the nominee.
>
My word -strawman arguments is all he's got?
>> Oh, I forgot, it isn't racism if it's directed toward white males.
>
Good luck finding any reference to suggest that I support that notion.
linxlvr
> "linxlvr" <lin...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:h20vdv$tjg$1...@news.warwick.net...
>>8><-----------
>>> Actually it's what you think of yourself that counts...
>>
>> Actually, I just responded in an offhand way to test the ISP's server,
>> knowing the bait would be too much for certain others.
>>
>> Actually, I believe it is your relationship to God that matters, so I
>> believe you are just as wrong as I was.
>
> So, you admit you're just a troll.
> Few trolls are so forthcoming.
:-)
Perhaps it come across that way, but no. The way I phrased the statement
was incorrect because I didn't give it careful thought. I was not sure
even if it would finally post. I just get sick of some people just
bashing always, to the point of driving people away in disgust. I then
just kind of took the opposite extreme, which in retrospect was equally
incorrect, as most extremes are.
--
dw
linxlvr
Us bigot white folks don't have to make this shit up. BTW, the reporter
is a good friend, so I suspect everything is really real:
oly
Being a conservative W.A.S.P., your bigoted speech disgusts me. You
really need to get out and live a little. Try having an open mind while
observing.
Several of you here speak of minorities, as if their race is the reason
for their social problems.
I can think CLEARLY of several areas of white ghettos in the north east,
and they are no better. One of them was supposed to have the highest
incest rate in America. Looking around there, I was able to believe it
possible.
A lot of these inner city type areas are places that used to be
industrious, one place textiles, another place coal, etc,
and in total ignorance we let the country be led by corporations.
The blue collar jobs left the inner cities, and your surprised at the
results?
I don't mind that my past family members helped build a country where you
are free to be a bigot, but it's still sad to see.
I am done entering the political stuff though, I came here to learn about
coins and such.
--
dw
Bob F.
>8><-----------
> Us bigot white folks don't have to make this shit up. BTW, the
> reporter
> is a good friend, so I suspect everything is really real:
>
> 8><-------------
>
> oly
>
>
> Being a conservative W.A.S.P., your bigoted speech disgusts me. You
> really need to get out and live a little. Try having an open mind
> while
> observing.
Why does having an "open mind" mean buying into the multicultural
diversity bullshit that is destroying the US of A?
Why don't YOU have an open mind for views that differ from yours?
If diversity is the paradigm to which we are all to aspire, where is the
hue and cry for diversity at the historically black colleges like
Grambling?
anonymous
> On Jun 23, 10:54�am, "PC" <P...@minneapolis.mn.us> wrote:
>
> > "RWF" <fwdi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:daa04d25-0951-431a...@r16g2000vbn.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > what a joke.
>
> > FACT:
>
> > RWF (aka Bob F.) is a turd and brings very little value to this NG.
>
> That would be opinion, not fact.
> Although with your limited intellect you probably can't tell the
> difference twixt the two.
> Here's an example:
> FACT: Frank Provasek has been suspended from eBay multiple times.
> OPINION: PC is a moronic little troll.
> See how it works, dipshit?
Duh_OZ
going around(Chicago area) that I found one metal detecting.
anonymous
a convenient page:
coinsusa
> On Jun 23, 10:34 am, coinsusa <vincesmith...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > > James, I'm afraid we are losing sight of the main purpose of this NG.
> > > None of the above has a thing to do with Frank Provasek's multiple
> > > suspensions from eBay.
> > > Why Frank Provasek refuses to come up with a BELIEVABLE explanation for
> > > his multiple suspensions and auction cancellations is extremely curious.
> > > I completely discount his usual claptrap about "vindictive individuals"
> > > reporting "all" his eBay auctions, especially since he has yet to
> > > present one iota of proof to back up his wild accusations.
> > > --
> > > Bob The Focused
>
> > Of course the phrase innocent until proven guilty has never crossed
> > your mind has it.
>
> > Why don't you provide the proof that he has actually done
> > something..... oh you can't
> > too bad, case dismissed.
>
> > Still nothing of value
> > nothing of interest
> > nothing of fact.
>
> > what a joke.
>
> FACT: Frank Provasek, by his OWN ADMISSION in this NG, has been
> suspended multiple times and had his auctions cancelled by eBay.
would that be because you falsely accuse him. I don't think your
hands are clean.
> I do agree with you that your own posts have nothing of value, nothing
> of interest and nothing of fact.
I was refering to your posts, but then I'm sure that your simple mind
has trouble comprehending the facts
> I suspect you may be a sockpuppet of Frank Provasek.
No, not hardly
> Game. Set. Match.-
Not playing tennis here... so you don't win.