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Arizona Coin Collector

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Apr 14, 2009, 11:57:53 AM4/14/09
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Hello

I noted this as "off topic" (OT), since it does not deal with
coins. I found it interesting story. I would like to see the
staff at the Denver U.S. Mint.

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FROM:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123968064826816307.html

APRIL 14, 2009

Harassment Is Said to Persist at a Mint Branch

By DIONNE SEARCEY

Female employees say little has changed three years after the
Denver branch of the U.S. Mint agreed to make its work
environment less hostile toward women, according to a filing
Monday with the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission.

In 2003, 71 women -- more than half the mint's female
staff -- alleged in a petition to the mint's Equal Employment
Opportunity officer that women employees were called derogatory
names, and new female workers were subjected to suggestive
comments. The women also alleged that the Denver office housed
secret stashes of sex magazines and an attic where men could
peruse them. The women's allegations of behavior at the mint,
a federal agency that produces coins, were detailed in a
front-page article in The Wall Street Journal in March 2006.

Thirty-two of the women later took the matter to the EEOC as a
class action. A settlement agreement in August 2006 mandated
antidiscrimination programs aimed at promoting women. The
settlement required that an independent monitor be put in place
to oversee the programs, as well as disciplinary matters, among
other things, the filing said.

The magazines are gone, but Monday's confidential filing,
reviewed by the Journal, alleges that the atmosphere at the mint
is still hostile toward female employees, with supervisors who
"blatantly disregard the settlement agreement and who
discriminate and retaliate against females [and] are never
disciplined."

An EEOC spokesman wouldn't confirm or deny the filing. The U.S.
Mint wasn't aware of the filing, said spokesman Greg Hernandez.
He said the settlement had not been breached "in any way. The
United States Mint believes it is in full compliance, and
always has been in full compliance, with the settlement
agreement," Mr. Hernandez said in a statement.

Lynn Feiger, the attorney representing the class of women,
declined to comment.

In their filing, the women seek to order the mint to comply
with the agreement and to extend the stay of the monitor,
whose term is set to expire in September, by at least two
years.

According to the filing, when a female supervisor tried to
prevent a male worker from stopping work early, he said,
"What do you want me to do? Play with it all afternoon?"
making an anatomical reference. Despite the worker's past
record of sexual harassment, his supervisor's bosses
didn't permit the man to be effectively disciplined, the
filing said. Another female supervisor tried to discipline
a male worker for walking off a shift. The woman's superiors
removed the man's letter of reprimand from his file and the
woman was disciplined for failing to keep him at work, the
filing said.

The monitor, Kathryn Miller, has spent at least 15 hours a
week at the mint for two years, issuing reports that
increasingly express concern the agency isn't adhering to its
agreement, according to the filing. The agency's response to
Ms. Miller has, at times, been "hostile and outright
antagonistic," the filing said. Ms. Miller didn't return
calls seeking comment.

Write to Dionne Searcey at dionne....@wsj.com

Printed in The Wall Street Journal, page A4


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Mr. Jaggers

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Apr 14, 2009, 1:09:04 PM4/14/09
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Arizona Coin Collector wrote:
> Hello
>
> I noted this as "off topic" (OT), since it does not deal with
> coins. I found it interesting story. I would like to see the
> staff at the Denver U.S. Mint.

Why?

James


Arizona Coin Collector

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Apr 14, 2009, 1:43:36 PM4/14/09
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"Mr. Jaggers" <lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com> wrote in message
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Hello

Why I want to see the staff at the Denver U.S. Mint?

I am just curious to know the make-up of the staff. The age and
position. To have some 71 women complain back in 2003
would have indicated a serious problem with the men there.

Where they full time contract temp employees, or full time
Federal employees? The story does not indicate the make-up
of the staff. A lack of screening and on-the-job sensibility training.

Almost every private company has some form of training on
sexual harassment these days. It is good policy for the company.


Jud

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Apr 14, 2009, 1:50:25 PM4/14/09
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Because some of them are 'hotties with million dollar bodies'? 8-)
:::::::::Flee!

Mr. Jaggers

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Apr 14, 2009, 2:06:08 PM4/14/09
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Arizona Coin Collector wrote:
> "Mr. Jaggers" <lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com> wrote in message
> news:gs2fu...@enews2.newsguy.com...
>
>> Arizona Coin Collector wrote:
>>> Hello
>>>
>>> I noted this as "off topic" (OT), since it does not deal with
>>> coins. I found it interesting story. I would like to see the
>>> staff at the Denver U.S. Mint.
>>
>> Why?
>>
>> James
>>
>
> Hello
>
> Why I want to see the staff at the Denver U.S. Mint?
>
> I am just curious to know the make-up of the staff. The age and
> position. To have some 71 women complain back in 2003
> would have indicated a serious problem with the men there.

That is an unwarranted assumption, absent the facts.

> Where they full time contract temp employees, or full time
> Federal employees? The story does not indicate the make-up
> of the staff. A lack of screening and on-the-job sensibility training.

I fail to understand how that information is germane to the case. Either
harassment happened, or it didn't. That is the issue here.

> Almost every private company has some form of training on
> sexual harassment these days. It is good policy for the company.

I agree.

James


Bob F.

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Apr 14, 2009, 2:30:05 PM4/14/09
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"Mr. Jaggers" <lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com> wrote in message
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I heard that one of the coin press operators had a rack that would make
Pamela Anderson look like a boy!

PC

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Apr 14, 2009, 6:44:20 PM4/14/09
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"Mr. Jaggers" <lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com> wrote in message
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To see if they are "hot" and worth harassing? ;-)

ank...@aol.com

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Apr 14, 2009, 9:24:40 PM4/14/09
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On Apr 14, 12:43�pm, "Arizona Coin Collector" <nos...@nospam.com>
wrote:

> Almost every private company has some form of training on
> sexual harassment these days. It is good policy for the company.

Federal government employees must take *hours* of yearly training,
including violence in the workplace and sexual harassment. It's
mandated.

~Anka

Harold Fears

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Apr 15, 2009, 7:55:22 AM4/15/09
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Also note that these government workers were stopped work early and left
early.


"Arizona Coin Collector" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote in message
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Bruce Remick

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Apr 15, 2009, 9:03:02 AM4/15/09
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<ank...@aol.com> wrote in message
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On Apr 14, 12:43?pm, "Arizona Coin Collector" <nos...@nospam.com>
wrote:

~Anka


As a former government employee, I found that manditory classes in sexual
harassment, gender awareness, cultural diversity, spousal abuse, and drug
testing, I found there was little time left for environmental greening
lifestyle, carbon footprint calculation, and work.

Jud

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Apr 15, 2009, 10:07:47 AM4/15/09
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Jud wrote:

> Because some of them are 'hotties with million dollar bodies'? 8-)
> :::::::::Flee!

Responding to my own post, as no one else has...
That was a quasi-on topic response that seems to have slipped past
everyone.
That line is from a song by the popular band 'Nickelback'. See!
Everything is numismatically relevant!

Bruce Remick

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Apr 15, 2009, 10:26:48 AM4/15/09
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"Jud" <numis...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Keep in mind though that many of us here are post-AARP collector.
Personally, I've never heard of a band called "Nickelback", but if you had
quoted a line or two by the Ames Brothers or the Comets, it might have rung
a bell here.


Mr. Jaggers

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Apr 15, 2009, 10:29:15 AM4/15/09
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The naughty lady of Shady Lane, me-oh-my-oh what a girl!

James


Mr. Jaggers

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Apr 15, 2009, 11:00:09 AM4/15/09
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I was trying my best to come up with a proper rejoinder, but found there was
just no way I could clean it up.

James the Profane


Peter

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Apr 15, 2009, 11:39:00 AM4/15/09
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With respect, I managed to retire before the new carbon religion took
hold, but even so the sexual harassment training seemed a little
annoying. The final straw was when my wife came home with a
certificate saying she had been trained in sexual harassment by the
USN. Thereafter I confess that I suspected the whole process (at
least of dangling participles).

Mr. Jaggers

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Apr 15, 2009, 11:58:08 AM4/15/09
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I say if a participle wants to dangle, let it dangle.

Sexual harassment can be, and is, practiced by members of both sexes.
Therefore it is reasonable to put both sexes through the training. In fact,
subjecting only the males to it would be, well, sexual harassment, wouldn't
it?

James


ank...@aol.com

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Apr 15, 2009, 3:50:48 PM4/15/09
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On Apr 15, 9:29�am, "Mr. Jaggers" <lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com> wrote:

>
> The naughty lady of Shady Lane, me-oh-my-oh what a girl!
>
> James

Bum da da dum bum bum bum...bum da da dum bum bum!

We had the 45. ;-)

~Anka


Mr. Jaggers

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Apr 15, 2009, 4:00:14 PM4/15/09
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ank...@aol.com wrote:

> On Apr 15, 9:29?am, "Mr. Jaggers" <lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com> wrote:
>
>>
>> The naughty lady of Shady Lane, me-oh-my-oh what a girl!
>>
>> James
>
> Bum da da dum bum bum bum...bum da da dum bum bum!
>
> We had the 45. ;-)

I had to make do with the 78.
Ssssssssssssssssssssssssss.......click......sssssss......click...pop......ssssssssssss....

James the Ancient


Jud

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Apr 15, 2009, 4:47:38 PM4/15/09
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Bruce Remick wrote:
>
>
> Keep in mind though that many of us here are post-AARP collector.
> Personally, I've never heard of a band called "Nickelback", but if you had
> quoted a line or two by the Ames Brothers or the Comets, it might have rung
> a bell here.

Bruce, I too am a proud card-carrying member of AARP, for over 10
years. I do try to keep up with what the 'kids' are listening to. Most
of it is crap.

Jud - 60's/70's/80's Rock and Roll freak

Bob F.

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Apr 15, 2009, 5:22:09 PM4/15/09
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"Jud" <numis...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> Bruce, I too am a proud card-carrying member of AARP, for over 10
> years. I do try to keep up with what the 'kids' are listening to. Most
> of it is crap.

Young whippersnapper! Why can't they be like we were, perfect in every
way?

ank...@aol.com

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Apr 15, 2009, 7:28:33 PM4/15/09
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On Apr 15, 4:22�pm, "Bob F." <b...@april2009.invalid> wrote:
> "Jud" <numismat...@aol.com> wrote in message

Oh...what's the matter with kids today?

~Anka

Bruce Remick

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Apr 15, 2009, 1:23:03 PM4/15/09
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"Mr. Jaggers" <lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com> wrote in message
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Ah, yes! The pre-R&R pop music that both kids and adults enjoyed. The
stuff of "Your Hit Parade".


Bob F.

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"Bruce Remick" <rem...@cox.net> wrote in message
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> Ah, yes! The pre-R&R pop music that both kids and adults enjoyed.
> The

Featuring Snooky Lanson (on TV at any rate.)

Bruce Remick

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"Jud" <numis...@aol.com> wrote in message
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We've had no kids around the house for many years. I have only my
memories to rely on. Hmmm. Sounds like a possible song lyric, eh? I
have to admit to never ever having watched a complete music video. Last
bought a record over 40 years ago. I did download a hundred or so obscure
doo-wop songs back on Napster before the crackdown. I was like a kid in
Maypo again for a while.

So there's still lots of multi-tasking for this near 70-year-old --
enjoys doo-wop and bluegrass, collects early coppers and beer cans, and
plays tournament softball and researches genealogy.


Aladdin Sane

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Apr 15, 2009, 10:00:24 PM4/15/09
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"Mr. Jaggers" <lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com> wrote in message

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> Peter wrote:> I say if a participle wants to dangle, let it dangle.


>
> Sexual harassment can be, and is, practiced by members of both sexes.
> Therefore it is reasonable to put both sexes through the training. In
> fact, subjecting only the males to it would be, well, sexual harassment,
> wouldn't it?
>
> James

Well, discrimination at least.

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Mr. Jaggers

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Apr 15, 2009, 10:26:53 PM4/15/09
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With Dorothy Collins, Russell Arms, Gisele Mackenzie, and Snooky Lanson.

Did I get all those right? Sheesh!

James
'maybe that was just a Lucky Strike'


Bruce Remick

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"Mr. Jaggers" <lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com> wrote in message
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Sounds right to me. They were among the most popular vocalists on the show.
I still remember Snooky Lanson's attempts at singing "Hound Dog". You could
tell right there that the show and its wholesome cast had outlived their
time. Maybe it was just my own childhood memory, but I do recall that the
listing of each week's "Top 10" pop tunes was followed with interest by many
kids in the early 1950's as we grew too old to play cowboys and had become
fans of the latest hit songs. I didn't buy very many original hit records,
but I did look for those EP 45's with knock-off artist recordings of the
latest pop songs, two on each side of the record.

Peter

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On Apr 15, 11:58 am, "Mr. Jaggers" <lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com>
wrote:
> James- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

The more elegant version of the certificates said something about
prevention of sexual harassment. It is hard to object to that. Being
trained in doing it, is not so welcome.

ank...@aol.com

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On Apr 15, 9:26�pm, "Mr. Jaggers" <lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com> wrote:
> Bruce Remick wrote:
> > "Mr. Jaggers" <lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com> wrote in message
> >news:gs4qv...@enews5.newsguy.com...
> >> Bruce Remick wrote:
> >>> "Jud" <numismat...@aol.com> wrote in message

> >>>news:a03f49a0-013c-49a4...@f18g2000vbf.googlegroups.com...
>
> >>>> Jud wrote:
>
> >>>>> Because some of them are 'hotties with million dollar bodies'? 8-)
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Flee!
>
> >>>> Responding to my own post, as no one else has...
> >>>> That was a quasi-on topic response that seems to have slipped past
> >>>> everyone.
> >>>> That line is from a song by the popular band 'Nickelback'. See!
> >>>> Everything is numismatically relevant!
>
> >>> Keep in mind though that many of us here are post-AARP collector.
> >>> Personally, I've never heard of a band called "Nickelback", but if
> >>> you had quoted a line or two by the Ames Brothers or the Comets, it
> >>> might have rung a bell here.
>
> >> The naughty lady of Shady Lane, me-oh-my-oh what a girl!
>
> > Ah, yes! �The pre-R&R pop music that both kids and adults enjoyed. The
> > stuff of "Your Hit Parade".
>
> With Dorothy Collins, Russell Arms, Gisele Mackenzie, and Snooky Lanson.
>
> Did I get all those right? �Sheesh!
>
> James
> 'maybe that was just a Lucky Strike'- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

So long for a while...
That's all the songs for a while...
So long to Your Hit Parade
And the tunes that you picked to be played.
Sooooo looooong...............

Paul Ciszek

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Apr 17, 2009, 10:09:50 PM4/17/09
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In article <gs505...@enews2.newsguy.com>,

Mr. Jaggers <lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com> wrote:
>
>Sexual harassment can be, and is, practiced by members of both sexes.
>Therefore it is reasonable to put both sexes through the training. In fact,
>subjecting only the males to it would be, well, sexual harassment, wouldn't
>it?

Back in the Eighties, some male nurses were swapping stories about
working for senior female nurses who didn't think men should be
allowed to be nurses, and would look for opportunities to damage
their careers. If there was any substance to these compaints, they
would meet the definition of "sexual harasment" that I have heard
used in such training.

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