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Fake "Double Eagle" 20 dollar coin?

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TheCroW

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Oct 4, 2004, 4:05:27 PM10/4/04
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Hello

Question: today I found a 20 dollar coin (yes, just lying on the ground),
dated 1882. Did some searching on the net and found out that it is the so
called "Double Eagle" with rare date. It looks like this:
http://apps.heritagecoin.com/features/vcc.php?id=20.00_03&s=r

The coin itself is bad quality (looks like it's been under ground for may
years or in a fire), it's even a bit bended ... and also: acording to the
info it's a gold coin but it's kinda red?
So my question: are there fake ones around or is it just the age and bad
quality that makes it look red?

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TerryS

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Oct 4, 2004, 4:46:10 PM10/4/04
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"TheCroW" <ne...@antispam3dart4u.com> wrote in message
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picture, picture, picture !


Bruce Hickmott

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Oct 4, 2004, 5:07:31 PM10/4/04
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On Mon, 4 Oct 2004 22:05:27 +0200, "TheCroW" <ne...@antispam3dart4u.com> is
alleged to have written:

>Hello
>
>Question: today I found a 20 dollar coin (yes, just lying on the ground),
>dated 1882. Did some searching on the net and found out that it is the so
>called "Double Eagle" with rare date. It looks like this:
>http://apps.heritagecoin.com/features/vcc.php?id=20.00_03&s=r
>
>The coin itself is bad quality (looks like it's been under ground for may
>years or in a fire), it's even a bit bended ... and also: acording to the
>info it's a gold coin but it's kinda red?
>So my question: are there fake ones around or is it just the age and bad
>quality that makes it look red?


The 1882 is a very rare date, proof only. What you likely have is an 1882-S or
an 1882-CC. Look on the reverse under the middle of the wreath for the mintmark.

If it's really a 1882, then even Butt Ugly it's worth quite a bit. if one of the
others, it's likely worth melt.

There are LOTS of fakes out there, though i don't know of any specifically dated
1882.

Bruce

TheCroW

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Oct 4, 2004, 5:10:42 PM10/4/04
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Okay, did scan it ....

http://www.3dart4u.com/images/1.jpg
http://www.3dart4u.com/images/2.jpg

As I said, the quality is bad .....

Menno

TheCroW

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Oct 4, 2004, 5:12:38 PM10/4/04
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It's the S version

Menno


Bruce Hickmott

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Oct 4, 2004, 6:13:33 PM10/4/04
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On Mon, 4 Oct 2004 23:10:42 +0200, "TheCroW" <ne...@antispam3dart4u.com> is
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>> > Hello

Well, that purports to be an 1882-S, but it's tough to tell for sure in that
condition if it's real or not. If real (or at least real gold) it's probably
worth 300-350 depending on weight. Not a lot of numismatic value, just gold.

Bruce

Ed Hendricks

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Oct 4, 2004, 6:36:57 PM10/4/04
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"TheCroW" <ne...@antispam3dart4u.com> wrote in message
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From the scan, it appears to be copper (which, of course, would make it a
fake). You are better off, though, taking it to a reputable dealer (either
at his shop or at a coin show) and getting an opinion from a knowledgeable
person who can see the piece close up.

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Ira Stein

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Oct 4, 2004, 6:57:21 PM10/4/04
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Menno shows the photos:

<< > picture, picture, picture !
>

Okay, did scan it ....

http://www.3dart4u.com/images/1.jpg
http://www.3dart4u.com/images/2.jpg

As I said, the quality is bad .....
>>

Both the date and mintmark do not look like those on a real 1882S. It might
well be a copper fake that's been gold plated/ Doesn't look real to me.


Ira Stein

D Carr

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Oct 4, 2004, 9:25:52 PM10/4/04
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It looks like a vintage counterfeit to me. This type of coin would have been made of
base metal (such as copper) and gold plated. The coin may have been manufactured
in the late 1800's with the intent of spending it for the $20 vace value. These types of
vintage counterfeits sometimes carry a modest collector value, but are worth less than
the genuine item. In this case significantly less since it isn't made of gold.

The "S" mint mark and the style of the letters on the reverse are unlike that found on a
genuine coin of this type.


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TomDeLorey

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Oct 5, 2004, 12:13:52 AM10/5/04
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No question counterfeit, probably contemporary (i.e., pre-1900). The style of
the lettering and the eagle is all wrong. Appears to be made of copper, not
gold. May have been gilt at time of issue.
Tom DeLorey
Former Senior Authenticator,
American Numismatic Association
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