Help on Morgan!!

[BigDog]

Hey Folks-

I thought that when PCGS gave a "Genuine-Not Graded" to a coin there
was something wrong. Found this one on Ebay:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250522184414&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

Why this on a pretty coin (at least to me) What is wrong? Already up
to serious money?

Still learin' from y'all

Thanks,
BigDog

[Jim Menning]

"BigDog" <Reb...@cox.net> wrote in message
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Maybe because someone polished it up to make it look that shiny?

Look close by the date, stars, arrows, letters and other details.

[Frank Galikanokus]

That is the impression I have polished.

JAM

[sgt23]

On Nov 2, 6:11 pm, Frank Galikanokus <FrankGalikano...@nospam.net>
wrote:

> Jim Menning wrote:
>
> > "BigDog" <Reb...@cox.net> wrote in message
> >news:a189f942-0ed5-47ba...@l2g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
> > > Hey Folks-
>
> > > I thought that when PCGS gave a "Genuine-Not Graded" to a coin there
> > > was something wrong. Found this one on Ebay:
>

> > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250522184414&ssPag...

>
> > > Why this on a pretty coin (at least to me)  What is wrong?  Already up
> > > to serious money?
>
> > > Still learin' from y'all
>
> > > Thanks,
> > > BigDog
>
> > Maybe because someone polished it up to make it look that shiny?
>
> > Look close by the date, stars, arrows, letters and other details.
>
> That is the impression I have polished.
>
> JAM

I could be wrong but, I think I can remember hearing something about
being able to get a coin authenticated without a grade, I believe its
cheaper, and if the coin would have had a problem it would have been
on the label.

[Michael Benveniste]

On Mon, 2 Nov 2009 14:32:19 -0800 (PST), BigDog <Reb...@cox.net>
wrote:

>Why this on a pretty coin (at least to me) What is wrong? Already up
>to serious money?

The ".94" following the coin number (7118 in this case) indicates
"Altered Surfaces." If the coin had merely been cleaned, it would
have been labelled "7118.92".

--
Mike Benveniste -- m...@murkyether.com (Clarification Required)
Its name is Public opinion. It is held in reverence. It settles
everything. Some think it is the voice of God. -- Mark Twain

[j-rod]

ANACS

http://www.anacs.com/

NCS

http://www.ncscoin.com/auth_grading/index.asp

and ICG provide this service

http://www.icgcoin.com/

JAM

[Scott Stevenson]

That's the same thing I was thinking. In fact, if I was a betting
man, I'd say it was polished, and then the main devices were etched
with an acid to give them that nice "frosted" look. There are marks
on the cheek and the eagle that still have frost on them, which tells
me the frosting came after the marks.

take care,
Scott

[Frank Provasek]

On Nov 3, 12:00 am, almostfm.AMS...@UCKSAY.comcast.net (Scott
Stevenson) wrote:

>   That's the same thing I was thinking.  In fact, if I was a betting
> man, I'd say it was polished, and then the main devices were etched
> with an acid to give them that nice "frosted" look.  There are marks
> on the cheek and the eagle that still have frost on them, which tells
> me the frosting came after the marks.
>
>   take care,

>   Scott- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Some examples of these alterations are in the PCGS grading book.
Likely the eagle and Liberty Head were acid etched, then masked off
with with wax or some other nonconductive
material while the coin was electroplated with some chrome-like
metal. The results are often, as in this example, "too good to be
real." Modern jewelry metalworking processes can produce far more
beautiful coins than a business strike coin press in 1880.

[Scott Stevenson]

On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 14:48:40 -0800 (PST), Frank Provasek
<fr...@frankcoins.com> wrote:

>On Nov 3, 12:00�am, almostfm.AMS...@UCKSAY.comcast.net (Scott
>Stevenson) wrote:
>
>> � That's the same thing I was thinking. �In fact, if I was a betting
>> man, I'd say it was polished, and then the main devices were etched
>> with an acid to give them that nice "frosted" look. �There are marks
>> on the cheek and the eagle that still have frost on them, which tells
>> me the frosting came after the marks.
>>
>> � take care,
>> � Scott- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>Some examples of these alterations are in the PCGS grading book.

That's where I picked up on the idea of the frost inside the bag
marks :-)

>Likely the eagle and Liberty Head were acid etched, then masked off
>with with wax or some other nonconductive
>material while the coin was electroplated with some chrome-like
>metal. The results are often, as in this example, "too good to be
>real." Modern jewelry metalworking processes can produce far more
>beautiful coins than a business strike coin press in 1880.

Frank, take a look at the field around the stars and the date. I'm
seeing haze in the field, which I'm thinking is a sign of time on the
buffing wheel.

take care,
Scott
"they used to coat telescope mirrors with silver, you know..."