ASA - Accugrade Coin Grading - PLEASE ADVISE
alexl...@earthlink.net
I have sent 10 coins (worth appx. $600) to this service for grading
during their 10 for $100 21 day special on 8/22. I have not received
anything back and by now left numerous messages on the phone number
listred on their site without any reply. Also, it seems that the
original number and the address have changed.
Has anyone recently had any experience withi service? (My CC has
already been charged a couple of weeks back.)
thanks in advance.
Edwin Johnston
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John Carney
> Has anyone recently had any experience withi service?
Heh. Nah, I'd better not.
Although, a "with prejudice" dismissal could give me a whole lot of
latitude. ;o)
John
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K6AZ
><alexl...@earthlink.net> wrote
>
>> Has anyone recently had any experience withi service?
>
>Heh. Nah, I'd better not.
>
>Although, a "with prejudice" dismissal could give me a whole lot of
>latitude. ;o)
I would advise not touching this at all. I have no idea if the post is legit,
but it could be a setup looking for a new cause of action.
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K6AZ Forum
Edwin Johnston
Ira
ASA Accugrade has, in the past, sued many people who made statements
that Accugrade considered negative, especially in a public forum, so I
doubt you'll get a meaningful response here specifically addressing
your question. Many who regularly post on RCC were named personally in
several lawsuits entailing many thousands of dollars in legal costs for
the defendants.
Personally. I'd stick with the one of the top 3 grading companies. That
would be, in order of consumer acceptance, PCGS, NGC and ANACS. Not all
grading companies are equal, and that incudes, grading gurantees and
most importantly, resale potential in the marketplace for coins thus
graded. Low grading fees do not mean that the company you might use is
the best "deal." From your resume, linked elsewhere on this thread,
you seem to be a very bright guy. Why you didn't use due diligence
before sending your coins off to ANY grading company is beyond me.
I think you'll eventually get your coins back from Accugrade. 21 days
probably refers to 21 banking days, so you might get them back in the
next week. If you sent them Registered, you can check on the USPS
website to see when they were delivered.
Ira
Bruce H (BoxTurtle)
have written:
You can google this newsgroup for ACG or accugrade or Hager or
ah-collectibles. All are the same entity. That will give you lots of
opinions. You will also find helpful advice for how to safely remove
coins from slabs, should you choose to do so after reading the
opinions.
But I am not aware of any complaints about slow turnaround time. I
suspect you'll get your coins before very long. As for leaving
messages on their phone, they are probably VERY busy with their
lawyers. They filed a lawsuit against some folk who publically
expressed an opinion on their grading standards or business practices
(I was one of those originally named) and it is not going well for
them. They appear to be having trouble meeting court imposed deadlines
for discovery, so much so that their expert witness is likely to be
disqualified shortly for example.
Ira's advice is good: If you're going to certify, you should stick to
PCGS, NGC, or ANACS. ICG does deserve some respect, but all the other
services are treated more as a holder than a certification of
authenticity or grade.
Bruce (I don't see ACG at coin shows anymore, just on ebay)
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alexl...@earthlink.net
ones to address my situation. (ASA will SUE me? For what? I have not
made any statements about the quality of their grading - just the fact
that I have not received my coins in the time frame advertised.)
Anyway, if I don't get my coins next week and/or don't hear from there
- I'm off to the post office, thank goodness, the transaction was
insured.
Thanks again y'all.
And remember kids, once you have removed the pin, Mr. Hand Grenade is
no longer your friend......
alexl...@earthlink.net
jesus......
Thanks for the complimnent, btw. Touche - it WAS a stoooopid thing to
do, not doing the homework and all........never again.
Thanks again.
Bruce H (BoxTurtle)
have written:
>Thank you for your reply. Yours and the one before it were the only
>ones to address my situation. (ASA will SUE me? For what? I have not
>made any statements about the quality of their grading - just the fact
>that I have not received my coins in the time frame advertised.)
>
Don't blame anyone. Some who were sued by ACG were out quite a bit of
money before they got dropped from the suit, you really can't blame
them for being a bit gun shy.
Will ACG sue you for the above post? Probably not. They are having
terrible luck trying to sue individuals for saying bad things and
they've got bigger fish to fry.
But ACG does monitor this newsgroup (Hi Clayton!) and has corrected
some of their ebay blunders mentioned here. Perhaps they'll look into
your problem and take care of it. You could also try the number for
Treasure Gallery from this auction:
That's ah-collectables new ebay id, and ah-collectibles = Al Hager =
ACG. They may be more inclined to answer that phone number.
>Anyway, if I don't get my coins next week and/or don't hear from there
>- I'm off to the post office, thank goodness, the transaction was
>insured.
>
ALWAYS ship insured, even to the major services. Stuff happens.
Bruce (And list the contents as "precision machine tools")
mynami...@yahoo.com
input. I am off to the post office tomorrow (monday) to commence the
insurance process - at this point, I think that it's a lost cause, no
phone messages returned, no e-mail acknowledgements and way past the
claimed "guaranteed 21 business day" turn around. Hopefully, will get
the value of the coins back. (I guess I will have to "eat" the grading
fee - as they have already charged my CC.) Sigh. Live and learn.
never again with these guys.
Jim Seymour
> Thanks again for the insightful info. I appreciate your educated
> input. I am off to the post office tomorrow (monday) to commence the
> insurance process - at this point, I think that it's a lost cause, no
> phone messages returned, no e-mail acknowledgements and way past the
> claimed "guaranteed 21 business day" turn around. Hopefully, will get
> the value of the coins back. (I guess I will have to "eat" the grading
> fee - as they have already charged my CC.) Sigh. Live and learn.
> never again with these guys.
Assuming you're talking about USPS insurance:
If ASA charged your credit card, then it seems they received the coins.
Thus, *your* USPS insurance will probably get you nowhere.
The only way the USPS will get involved is if ASA shipped the slabs back
and they went missing. In which case, ASA would probably have to file
the claim.
Remember, the USPS is only insuring that the package makes it to the
destination - unless I'm way off base as to how USPS insurance works...
--
Jim Seymour
Ira
Jim, you are absolutely correct. The USPS will not get involved if ASA
Accugrade has not shipped the package of coins back to the sender. The
coins apparaently DID get to Accugrade as the sender's credit card was
already charged and the original sender has not received them back from
Accugrade.
I believe he will get them back in due time (albeit late) but that is
not anything that the sender's postal insurance addresses.
I suppose the sender could contact his credit card company and apply
for a chargeback. At least he may get his $100 back if the CC company
is convinced that the service paid for has not been performed.
I still think he'll get them back.
Alex, wait another month. That would be my advice.
Ira (one of the original Acuugrade defendents)
mynami...@yahoo.com
subject matter than I do. Another week or so. Quick question - is
this a norm? (turnaround taking significantly longer than
advertised"guaranteed".)
thanks again for all your valuable input.
Mr. Jaggers
<mynami...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1159789433.2...@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> OK, I trust you guys since you have vastly more knowledge on the
> subject matter than I do. Another week or so. Quick question - is
> this a norm? (turnaround taking significantly longer than
> advertised"guaranteed".)
Quick answer in the form of another question - when's the last time you had
ANYTHING happen at the "guaranteed" time?
Mr. Jaggers
mynami...@yahoo.com
MR_300
Alex,
On what date was the charge run? Count 21 business days from that
date (no weekends) and that will give to the date it should ship out
from them. I have sent orders to them and that is how i determine when
the order it should be on the the way back to me. My orders are shipped
back registered insured mail which takes 3-5 days to get to me.
MR_300
mynami...@yahoo.com
OK, foot in the mouth syndrome. Guess I jumped the
gun.....................I admit when I'm wrong............
Jeff R.
<mynami...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1159917171....@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>I take it all BACK. The coins did arrive yesterday and all is well.
> OK, foot in the mouth syndrome. Guess I jumped the
> gun.....................I admit when I'm wrong............
>
Good on you!
Now... are you happy, nay, even *delighted* with the grades you received?
How'd you go?
--
Jeff R.
mynami...@yahoo.com
strictly IMHO) - the grades were pretty conservative. Lower than I
expected, but again, I am FAR from an expert......
Thanks again for the input.
Ira
mynami...@yahoo.com wrote:
> Hi, as far as grading (and this is NOT judging ASA in any way, just
> strictly IMHO) - the grades were pretty conservative. Lower than I
> expected, but again, I am FAR from an expert......
>
> Thanks again for the input.
>
C'mon, Alex. You haven't said ANYTHING that is even remotely
actionable. Now you're ducking and weaving. Pretty conservative
grading, was it?
Ira
Bruce H (BoxTurtle)
written:
>
It's been rumored that ACG has tightened up, but I've seen so few
coins that were submitted after the lawsuit was filed that it's tough
to say.
Can you post photos somewhere?
Bruce
mynami...@yahoo.com
surely be MS-70 (or at the very, very least MS-69) were graded as
MS-67. I was surprised, but eh, it is what it is, I suppose.
