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Ron B.

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Nov 30, 2002, 8:38:41 PM11/30/02
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Stan the Man seems to be Stan the Missing, from quite a few sets in
the 1950s. What gives?

Ron

Ron B.

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Dec 1, 2002, 2:11:20 AM12/1/02
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Hmmm . . . from what I've been able to dig up, Musial refused to sign
the basic Topps contract.

He has Bowman cards from 1948 through 1953 (a very nice '53 card).

He also has a 1953 Red Man.

But he doesn't seem to have any '54 or '55 Bowman cards. I don't see
him in the checklists, and can't locate these cards for sale anywhere.

In 1958 he evidently came to terms with Topps. He has a high numbered
All-Star card. Then he had regular Topps cards from 1959 until 1963
(the ones I'm most familiar with).

So no major Musial cards from 1954 through 1957.

Did he have a contract dispute with Bowman in '54 and '55?

Ron

Anthony Myers

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Dec 1, 2002, 2:58:19 AM12/1/02
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http://1952toppsbaseballcards.com/Stan%20Musial%20Page.htm

they did a pretty nice job of faking it.


Ron B.

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Dec 1, 2002, 10:08:25 AM12/1/02
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Yup. That would have made a nice card. Same with the DiMaggio and
Williams.

So Stan Musial and Maury Wills both refused to sign contracts with
Topps. Have there been any other notable hold outs?

Was Musial under an exclusive contract that prevented him from having
Bowman cards in '54 and '55, or was he a hold out from them also?

Ron

Thomas White

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Dec 1, 2002, 10:41:03 AM12/1/02
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"Ron B." <rbj...@attbi.com> wrote:
> "Anthony Myers" <tonym...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >http://1952toppsbaseballcards.com/Stan%20Musial%20Page.htm
> >
> >they did a pretty nice job of faking it.
>
> Yup. That would have made a nice card. Same with the DiMaggio and
> Williams.
>
> So Stan Musial and Maury Wills both refused to sign contracts with
> Topps. Have there been any other notable hold outs?

Young kid named Alex Rodriguez. Some have heard of him.

jpeabody

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Dec 1, 2002, 12:46:32 PM12/1/02
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Actually, Musial only has Bowmans in 48, 49, 52 and 53. He was
actually on the 1951 Topps Cardinals Team card, plus 1948 Leaf. He's
in several other food/oddball sets in the early 50s such as Berk Ross
and Red Heart, and I've never heard a definitive answer about why he's
missing from Topps/Bowman sets. You'd have to assume a contract
dispute is the answer.

Ron B. <rbj...@attbi.com> wrote in message news:<hr9juuc2tr6krgf14...@4ax.com>...

crunchie

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Dec 1, 2002, 1:09:47 PM12/1/02
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from what i understand he didnt sign just because he really didnt care
to. evidently he didnt think the money was worth the effort of signing
the contract and having your picture taken. some say he just didnt like
signing so many damn ballcards for autographs.

either way, he was bribed back into the topps fold in 58 after Topps
told the cardinals they'd give them a charity donation if they could get
musial to sign their damn contract. and he did...

-crunch


T206to1992

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Dec 1, 2002, 3:38:08 PM12/1/02
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Stan Musial

1946 Sears-East St. Louis PC783 #46 Stan Musial
1946-49 Sports Exchange W603 #7-2 Stan Musial
1947 Homogenized Bond #35 Stan Musial DP
1947-66 Exhibits #164A #Stan Musial #{(three bats& kneeling) #{(has been rep
1947-66 Exhibits #164B #Stan Musial BAT 64
1947-66 PM10 Stadium Pins 1 3/4' #149 #S.Musial Wht. bk.
1947-66 PM10 Stadium Pins 1 3/4' #150 #S.Musial Yel. bk.
1947-66 PM10 Stadium Pins 1 3/4' #151 #S.Musial The Man
1948 Bowman #36 #Stan Musial RC
1949 Bowman #24 Stan Musial
1949 Eureka Stamps #191 Stan Musial
1949 Leaf #4 Stan Musial
1950-53 Royal Desserts #1 #Stan Musial DP
1951 Berk Ross * #B1 Stan Musial
1951 R423 Small Strip #72 Stan Musial
1951 Wheaties * #4 #Stan Musial #{(baseball)
1952 Berk Ross #45 Stan Musial
1952 Bowman #196 Stan Musial
1952 Red Man #NL16 Stan Musial
1952 Royal Premiums #7 Stan Musial
1952 Star Cal Large #81E Stan Musial
1952 Star Cal Large #81F Stan Musial
1952 Star Cal Small #93A #S. Musial/S. Musial
1952 Wheaties * #22A Stan Musial
1952 Wheaties * #22B Stan Musial
1953 Bowman Color #32 #Stan Musial
1953 Cardinals Hunter's Wieners #16 Stan Musial
1953 Exhibits Canadian #57 Stan Musial
1953 Red Man #NL26 Stan Musial
1953 Sport Magazine Premiums * #6 Stan Musial
1954 Cardinals Hunter's Wieners #14 Stan Musial
1954 Red Heart #23 #Stan Musial SP
1955 Big League Inc. Statues #14 Stan Musial
1955 Cardinals Hunter's Wieners #15 Stan Musial
1955 Dairy Queen Statues #14 Stan Musial
1955 Rawlings Musial #1 #Stan Musial #{(portrait)
1955 Rawlings Musial #2 #Stan Musial #{(kneeling)
1955 Rawlings Musial #3 #Stan Musial #{(swinging HOR)
1955 Rawlings Musial #4 #Stan Musial #{(batting stance)
1955 Rawlings Musial #1A #Stan Musial #{(portrait with hand #{and bat visible)
1955 Rawlings Musial #2A #Stan Musial #{(portrait& same #{picture as number 1
1955-62 Don Wingfield #34 Stan Musial
1956 Yellow Basepath Pins #23 Stan Musial
1958 Cardinals Jay Publishing #13 Stan Musial
1958 Jay Publishing Sluggers #8 Stan Musial
1958 Topps #476 #Stan Musial AS TP
1959 Jay Publishing All-Stars #14 Stan Musial
1959 Topps #150 #Stan Musial
1959 Topps #470 #Stan Musial 3000th
1959 Topps Venezuelan #150 Stan Musial
1960 Cardinals Jay Publishing #8 Stan Musial
1960 Key Chain Inserts #51 Stan Musial
1960 Nu-Card Hi-Lites #21 #Stan Musial #{Hits 5 Homers in One Day
1960 Topps #250 Stan Musial
1960 Topps Tattoos #39 Stan Musial
1960 Topps Tattoos #94 #Stan Musial #{(Autographed ball)
1961 Cardinals Jay Publishing #10 Stan Musial
1961 Nu-Card Scoops #421 Stan Musial
1961 Rawlings #24 Stan Musial
1961 Seven-Eleven #16 Stan Musial
1961 Topps #290 #Stan Musial !
1961 Topps Dice Game #11 Stan Musial
1961 Topps Stamps Inserts #92 Stan Musial
1962 Cardinals Jay Publishing #10 Stan Musial
1962 Exhibit Stat Back #28 Stan Musial
1962 Topps #50 Stan Musial
1962 Topps #317 #Stan Musial IA
1962 Topps Bucks #63 Stan Musial
1962 Topps Stamps Inserts #189 Stan Musial
1962 Topps Venezuelan #50 Stan Musial
1963 Baseball Magazine M118 #61 Stan Musial
1963 Bazooka #23 Stan Musial
1963 Exhibit Stat Back #48 Stan Musial
1963 Topps #1 #Dav/Musial/Aaron/ LL !
1963 Topps #138 #Willie Mays/S.Musial
1963 Topps #250 Stan Musial
1963 Topps Stick-Ons Inserts #30 Stan Musial
1963-64 Cardinals Jay Publishing #15 #Stan Musial 63
1966 Cardinals Coins #2 Stan Musial
1967 Topps Venezuelan #157 Stan Musial
1969-73 Equitable Sports Hall of Fame * #BB14 Stan Musial
1972 Laughlin Great Feats #24 Stan Musial
1973 Hall of Fame Picture Pack #12 Stan Musial
1973 Seven-Eleven Trading Cups #52 Stan Musial
1973 TCMA All-Time Greats #11 Stan Musial
1974 Laughlin All-Star Games #55 #Stan Musial #{Homer
1976 Galasso Baseball's Great Hall of Fame #20 Stan Musial
1976 Jerry Jonas Promotion Cards #4 Stan Musial
1976 Rowe Exhibits #3 #Dizzy Dean #{Stan Musial #{Jesse Haines #{Frank Frisc
1976 Shakey's Pizza #112 Stan Musial
1976 Taylor/Schmierer Bowman 47 #2 Stan Musial
1977 Shakey's Pizza #25 Stan Musial
1977-79 Sportscaster #21-16 #Stan Musial #{Baseball
1977-81 Bob Parker Hall of Fame #69 Stan Musial
1977-84 Galasso Glossy Greats #16 Stan Musial
1977-84 Galasso Glossy Greats #237 Stan Musial
1978 Dexter Hall of Fame Postcards #39 Stan Musial
1979 Baseball Greats #68 Stan Musial
1979 Diamond Greats #158 Stan Musial
1979 TCMA 50'S #9 Stan Musial
1980 Marchant Exhibits #21 Stan Musial
1980-02 Perez-Steele Hall of Fame Postcards #114 Stan Musial
1980-83 Pacific Legends #8 Stan Musial
1980-87 SSPC HOF #114 Stan Musial
1980-99 Perez-Steele Hall of Fame Postcards Signed #114 Stan Musial
1981 San Diego Sports Collectors #13 #Mickey Mantle #{Stan Musial
1982 Baseball Card News #3 Stan Musial
1982 Davco Hall of Fame Boxes #18 Stan Musial
1982 GS Gallery All-Time Greats #1 Stan Musial
1982 TCMA Greatest Hitters #2 Stan Musial
1982 TCMA Stars of the 50's #20 Stan Musial
1982-83 Diamond Classics #46 Stan Musial
1983 Cardinals 1942-1946 TCMA #14 Stan Musial
1983 Cardinals 1942-1946 TCMA #65 #Stan Musial #{Bill Southworth MG #{Johnny
Hopp
1983 Cardinals 1942-1946 TCMA #68 #Stan Musial #{Bill Southworth MG #{Ray
Sanders
1983 Cardinals Greats TCMA #7 Stan Musial
1983 Donruss HOF Heroes #32 Stan Musial
1983 MLBPA Pins #29 Stan Musial
1983 O'Connell and Son Baseball Greats #12 Stan Musial
1983 TCMA Playball 1942 #26 Stan Musial
1983 Tigers Al Kaline Story #67 #Stan Musial #{Al Kaline
1984 ASA Willie Mays 90 #30 #Willie Mays #{Stan Musial #{Pride of the N.L.
1984 TCMA Bruce Stark Postcards #BS5 Stan Musial
1984-85 Sports Design Products West #11 Stan Musial
1984-89 O'Connell and Son Ink #40 Stan Musial
1984-89 O'Connell and Son Ink #200 Stan Musial
1984-89 O'Connell and Son Ink #228 Stan Musial
1985 Circle K #15 Stan Musial
1985 Dallas National Collectors Convention #1 Stan Musial
1985 Donruss HOF Sluggers #5 Stan Musial
1985 Musial TTC #1 #Stan Musial #{Description of batting stance)
1985 Musial TTC #2 #Stan Musial #{Batting title at age 37
1985 Musial TTC #3 #Stan Musial #{Three-time MVP
1985 Musial TTC #4 #Stan Musial #{(Seven batting titles
1985 Musial TTC #5 #Stan Musial #{3,630 career hits
1985 Musial TTC #6 #Stan Musial #{Career information
1985 Musial TTC #7 #Stan Musial #{Early career history
1985 Musial TTC #8 #Stan Musial #{Hall of Fame 1969
1985 TCMA Photo Classics #34 Stan Musial
1985 TCMA Photo Classics #39 Stan Musial
1985 Woolworth's #27 Stan Musial
1986 Sportflics Decade Greats #30 #Stan Musial #{(Best '50s Player)
1986 TCMA #9 Stan Musial
1986 TCMA Superstars Simon #34 Stan Musial
1987 Hygrade All-Time Greats #34 Stan Musial
1987 Leaf Special Olympics * #H4 Stan Musial
1987 Nestle Dream Team #23 Stan Musial
1987 Sports Reading #18 Stan Musial
1988 Donruss #641 #Stan Musial Puzzle
1988 Grenada Baseball Stamps #7 Stan Musial
1988 Houston Show #4 Stan Musial
1988 Leaf/Donruss #263 #Stan Musial #{Puzzle Card
1988 Pacific Legends I #6 Stan Musial
1988 Topps #665 #Stan Musial TBC
1988 Topps Tiffany #665 Stan Musial TBC
1988 Willard Mullin Postcards #18 Stan Musial
1989 HOF Sticker Book #30 Stan Musial
1989 Perez-Steele Celebration Postcards #33 Stan Musial
1989 Topps Baseball Talk/LJN #27 Stan Musial
1990 Baseball Wit #36 Stan Musial
1990 HOF Sticker Book #51 Stan Musial
1990-97 Perez-Steele Great Moments #11 Stan Musial
1991 Topps East Coast National #3 Stan Musial
1991 U.S. Game Systems Baseball Legends #8C Stan Musial
1991 U.S. Game Systems Baseball Legends #8D Stan Musial
1991 U.S. Game Systems Baseball Legends #8H Stan Musial
1991 U.S. Game Systems Baseball Legends #8S Stan Musial
1992 Cardinals McDonald's/Pacific #22 Stan Musial
1992 Musial AFUD #1 #Stan Musial #{Portrait
1992 Musial AFUD #2 #Stan Musial #{Running bases
1992 Musial AFUD #3 #Stan Musial #{Batting
1992 Musial AFUD #4 #Stan Musial #{Sliding
1992 Musial AFUD #5 #Stan Musial #{Lifted up by teammates
1992 Pinnacle Mantle #24 #Mick and Stan #{Stan Musial
1992 Score Franchise #1 Stan Musial
1992 Score Franchise #4 #Musial/Mantle/Yaz
1992 Score Franchise #AU1 #Stan Musial AU/2000
1992 Score Franchise #AU4 #Mus/Mantle/Yaz AU/500
1992-00 Sports Illustrated For Kids II * #320 Stan Musial
1993 Yoo-Hoo #11 Stan Musial
1997 Donruss Signature Notable Nicknames #6 Stan Musial
1997 Donruss Signature Significant Signatures #15 Stan Musial
1998 Browns Heads Up #14 Stan Musial
1998 Donruss Signature Significant Signatures #12 Stan Musial
1998 Donruss Signature Signing Bonus #22 #Stan Musial/12
1999 Fleer Stan Musial NSCC Commemorative #NC1 #Stan Musial #{1999 Fleer Card
1999 Fleer Stan Musial NSCC Commemorative #NC2 #Stan Musial Donora
1999 Fleer Stan Musial NSCC Commemorative #NC3 #Stan Musial 1948
1999 Fleer Stan Musial NSCC Commemorative #NC4 #Stan Musial HOF
1999 Fleer Tradition #6 Stan Musial
1999 Fleer Tradition Millenium #6 Stan Musial
1999 Fleer Tradition Stan Musial Monumental Moments #1 #Stan Musial #{Life in
Donora
1999 Fleer Tradition Stan Musial Monumental Moments #2 #Stan Musial #{Mrs.
Stan Musial #{Values
1999 Fleer Tradition Stan Musial Monumental Moments #3 #Stan Musial #{In the
Beginning
1999 Fleer Tradition Stan Musial Monumental Moments #4 #Stan Musial #{In the
Navy
1999 Fleer Tradition Stan Musial Monumental Moments #5 #Stan Musial #{Red
Schoendienst #{1948 Season
1999 Fleer Tradition Stan Musial Monumental Moments #6 #Stan Musial #{John. F.
Kennedy #{Success Stories
1999 Fleer Tradition Stan Musial Monumental Moments #7 #Stan Musial #{Mr.
Cardinal
1999 Fleer Tradition Stan Musial Monumental Moments #8 #Stan Musial #{Most
Valuable Player
1999 Fleer Tradition Stan Musial Monumental Moments #9 #Stan Musial #{Statue's
Caption
1999 Fleer Tradition Stan Musial Monumental Moments #10 #Stan Musial #{Hall of
Fame
1999 Fleer Tradition Stan Musial Monumental Moments #NNO #Stan Musial AU/50
1999 Fleer Tradition Stan Musial Monumental Moments Autographs #1 Stan Musial
1999 Fleer Tradition Stan Musial Monumental Moments Autographs #2 Stan Musial
1999 Fleer Tradition Stan Musial Monumental Moments Autographs #3 Stan Musial
1999 Fleer Tradition Stan Musial Monumental Moments Autographs #4 Stan Musial
1999 Fleer Tradition Stan Musial Monumental Moments Autographs #5 Stan Musial
1999 Fleer Tradition Stan Musial Monumental Moments Autographs #6 Stan Musial
1999 Fleer Tradition Stan Musial Monumental Moments Autographs #7 Stan Musial
1999 Fleer Tradition Stan Musial Monumental Moments Autographs #8 Stan Musial
1999 Fleer Tradition Stan Musial Monumental Moments Autographs #9 Stan Musial
1999 Fleer Tradition Stan Musial Monumental Moments Autographs #10 Stan Musial
1999 Fleer Tradition Vintage '61 #6 Stan Musial
1999 Fleer Tradition Warning Track #6 Stan Musial
1999 SP Signature #169 Stan Musial
1999 SP Signature Autographs #SM Stan Musial
1999 Sports Illustrated Greats of the Game #6 Stan Musial
1999 Sports Illustrated Greats of the Game Autographs #50 Stan Musial
1999 Sports Illustrated Greats of the Game Cover Collection #3 Stan Musial
1999 Sports Illustrated Greats of the Game Record Breakers #2 Stan Musial
1999 Sports Illustrated Greats of the Game Record Breakers Gold #2 Stan Musial
1999 Topps Hall of Fame Collection #HOF3 Stan Musial
1999 Upper Deck Century Legends #10 Stan Musial
1999 Upper Deck Century Legends Century Collection #10 Stan Musial
1999 Upper Deck Century Legends Epic Signatures #SM Stan Musial
1999 Upper Deck Century Legends Epic Signatures Century #SM Stan Musial
2000 Fleer Club 3000 #SM #Stan Musial FOCUS
2000 Fleer Club 3000 Memorabilia #SM1 #S.Musial Bat/325
2000 Fleer Club 3000 Memorabilia #SM2 #S.Musial Hat/65
2000 Fleer Club 3000 Memorabilia #SM3 #S.Musial Jersey/975
2000 Fleer Club 3000 Memorabilia #SM4 #S.Musial Bat-Jersey/100
2000 Fleer Greats of the Game #104 Stan Musial
2000 Fleer Greats of the Game Autographs #55 #Stan Musial SP
2000 Fleer Greats of the Game Retrospection #R2 Stan Musial
2000 Upper Deck A Piece of History 3000 Club #SM-B #S.Musial Bat/350
2000 Upper Deck A Piece of History 3000 Club #SM-J #S.Musial Jersey/350
2000 Upper Deck A Piece of History 3000 Club #SM-JB #S.Musial Bat-Jsy/100
2000 Upper Deck Hitter's Club #62 #Stan Musial W3K
2000 Upper Deck Hitter's Club Autographs #MAN Stan Musial
2000 Upper Deck Hitter's Club Inserts #HC6 Stan Musial
2000 Upper Deck Legends #21 Stan Musial
2000 Upper Deck Legends #135 #Stan Musial 20C
2000 Upper Deck Legends Commemorative Collection #21 Stan Musial
2000 Upper Deck Legends Commemorative Collection #135 #Stan Musial 20C
2000 Upper Deck Legends Legendary Signatures #S-SM Stan Musial
2000 Upper Deck Legends Legendary Signatures Gold #S-SM Stan Musial
2000 Upper Deck Legends Reflections in Time #R6 #T.Gwynn/S.Musial
2001 Bowman Chrome Rookie Reprints #3 Stan Musial
2001 Bowman Chrome Rookie Reprints Refractors #3 Stan Musial
2001 Bowman Heritage 1948 Reprints #8 Stan Musial
2001 Bowman Heritage 1948 Reprints Relics #BHM-SM1 Stan Musial Seat C
2001 Bowman Rookie Reprints #3 Stan Musial
2001 Bowman Rookie Reprints Autographs #3 Stan Musial
2001 Donruss All-Time Diamond Kings #ATDK10 Stan Musial
2001 Donruss All-Time Diamond Kings Autograph #ATDK10 Stan Musial
2001 Donruss All-Time Diamond Kings Studio Series #ATDK10 Stan Musial
2001 Donruss Classics #167 #Stan Musial LGD
2001 Donruss Classics Combos #CC13 #Stan Musial/100
2001 Donruss Classics Combos #CC37 #Musial/Brock/50 EXCH
2001 Donruss Classics Legendary Lumberjacks #LL34 #Stan Musial SP
2001 Donruss Classics Significant Signatures #167 #Stan Musial SP
2001 Donruss Classics Timeless Tributes #167 Stan Musial
2001 Donruss Elite Passing the Torch #PT1 Stan Musial
2001 Donruss Elite Passing the Torch #PT17 #S.Musial/T.Gwynn
2001 Donruss Elite Passing the Torch Autographs #PT1 Stan Musial
2001 Donruss Elite Passing the Torch Autographs #PT17 #Musial/Gwynn EXCH
2001 Donruss Elite Throwback Threads #TT1 #Stan Musial SP/75
2001 Donruss Jersey Kings #JK9 Stan Musial
2001 Donruss Jersey Kings Autograph #JK9 Stan Musial
2001 Donruss Signature Milestone Marks #24 #Stan Musial/109
2001 Donruss Signature Notable Nicknames #12 Stan Musial
2001 Donruss Signature Team Trademarks #31 #Stan Musial/65
2001 Fleer Greats of the Game #109 Stan Musial
2001 Fleer Greats of the Game Autographs #58 #Stan Musial SP/525
2001 Fleer Greats of the Game Retrospection #RC2 Stan Musial
2001 Fleer Legacy Hit Kings #21 Stan Musial
2001 Fleer Legacy MLB Autograph Fitted Caps #40 #Stan Musial SP/200
2001 Fleer Platinum Classic Combinations #CC11 #S.Musial/L.Gehrig
2001 Fleer Platinum Classic Combinations #CC27 #S.Musial/M.McGwire
2001 Fleer Platinum Classic Combinations #CC37 #S.Musial/T.Gwynn
2001 Fleer Platinum Classic Combinations Retail #CC11 #S.Musial/L.Gehrig
2001 Fleer Platinum Classic Combinations Retail #CC27 #S.Musial/M.McGwire
2001 Fleer Platinum Classic Combinations Retail #CC37 #S.Musial/T.Gwynn
2001 Fleer Platinum Nameplates #21 #Stan Musial/30
2001 Fleer Platinum Winning Combinations #13 #T.Williams/S.Musial/250
2001 Fleer Platinum Winning Combinations #34 #S.Musial/A.Pujols/500
2001 Fleer Platinum Winning Combinations Blue #13 #T.Williams/S.Musial
2001 Fleer Platinum Winning Combinations Blue #34 #S.Musial/A.Pujols
2001 Fleer Premium Decades of Excellence #DE9 Stan Musial
2001 Leaf Certified Materials Fabric of the Game #3BA #Stan Musial SP
2001 Leaf Certified Materials Fabric of the Game #3CR #Stan Musial/177
2001 Leaf Certified Materials Fabric of the Game #3SN #Stan Musial/39
2001 SP Legendary Cuts #11 Stan Musial
2001 Topps American Pie #95 Stan Musial
2001 Topps American Pie Woodstock Relics #BBWM-SM #Stan Musial Bat
2001 Topps Archives #31 #Stan Musial 58
2001 Topps Archives #180 #Stan Musial 63
2001 Topps Archives #217 #Stan Musial 59 Thrill
2001 Topps Archives #220 #Pride of the NL 63
2001 Topps Archives Autographs #TAA59 #Stan Musial A1 SP/50
2001 Topps Archives Reserve #59 #Stan Musial 58
2001 Topps Chrome Through the Years Reprints #6 #Stan Musial 59
2001 Topps Chrome Through the Years Reprints Refractors #6 #Stan Musial 59
2001 Topps Golden Anniversary Autographs #GAA-SM #Stan Musial A2
2001 Topps Noteworthy #TN48 Stan Musial
2001 Topps Stars #142 Stan Musial
2001 Topps Stars Autographs #TSA-SM Stan Musial
2001 Topps Stars Gold #142 Stan Musial
2001 Topps Stars Onyx #142 Stan Musial
2001 Topps Stars Progression #P5 #Musial/Erstad/A.Escobar
2001 Topps Through the Years Reprints #6 #Stan Musial '59
2001 Topps Tribute #86 Stan Musial
2001 Topps Tribute Franchise Figures Relics #SBSM #Ozz/Brock/Mus A
2001 Topps Tribute Game Worn Relics #RJ-SM #Stan Musial 2
2001 Upper Deck Hall of Famers #9 Stan Musial
2001 Upper Deck Hall of Famers #67 #Stan Musial NP
2001 Upper Deck Hall of Famers #84 #Stan Musial HR
2001 Upper Deck Hall of Famers 20th Century Showcase #S4 Stan Musial
2001 Upper Deck Hall of Famers Gallery #G15 Stan Musial
2001 Upper Deck Legends #56 Stan Musial
2001 Upper Deck Legends Fiorentino Collection #F11 Stan Musial
2001 Upper Deck Legends Legendary Game Jersey #J-SM #S.Musial Uni SP/490
2001 Upper Deck Legends Legendary Game Jersey Autographs #SJ-SM #Stan Musial
SP/266
2001 Upper Deck Legends Reflections in Time #R5 #M.McGwire/S.Musial
2001 Upper Deck Sweet Spot Game Bat #B-SM Stan Musial
2001 Upper Deck Sweet Spot Game Jersey #J-SM Stan Musial
2001 Upper Deck Sweet Spot Signatures #S-SM Stan Musial
2002 Donruss All-Time Diamond Kings #8 Stan Musial
2002 Donruss All-Time Diamond Kings Studio Series #8 Stan Musial
2002 Donruss Classics #167 #Stan Musial LGD
2002 Donruss Classics Legendary Lumberjacks #3 #Stan Musial/100
2002 Donruss Classics Timeless Tributes #167 #Stan Musial LGD
2002 Donruss Elite Throwback Threads #9 #S.Musial/J.Drew
2002 Donruss Elite Throwback Threads #32 Stan Musial
2002 Donruss Originals Champions #21 Stan Musial
2002 Donruss Originals On The Record #12 Stan Musial
2002 Fleer Box Score #307 #Stan Musial CT
2002 Fleer Box Score First Edition #307 #Stan Musial CT
2002 Fleer Fall Classics #12 Stan Musial
2002 Fleer Fall Classics #96 #Stargell/Musial/Martin
2002 Fleer Fall Classics Championship Gold #12 Stan Musial
2002 Fleer Fall Classics Championship Gold #96 #Stargell/Musial/Martin
2002 Fleer Fall Classics HOF Plaque #12 #Stan Musial/1969
2002 Fleer Fall Classics Rival Factions #20 #S.Musial/P.Reese
2002 Fleer Fall Classics Rival Factions Game Used #38 #Pee Wee Pants-Musial
2002 Fleer Greats of the Game #88 Stan Musial
2002 Fleer Greats of the Game Autographs #SM #Stan Musial SP/200
2002 Fleer Greats of the Game Dueling Duos #3 #S.Musial/T.Williams
2002 Fleer Premium Legendary Dynasties #9 Stan Musial
2002 Fleer Premium Legendary Dynasties Gold #9 Stan Musial
2002 Leaf Certified Fabric of the Game #17DY #Stan Musial/41
2002 Studio Classic #14 Stan Musial
2002 Studio Classic First Ballot #14 #Stan Musial/69
2002 Topps Gallery Heritage #GH-SM #Stan Musial 58
2002 Topps Pristine #143 Stan Musial
2002 Topps Pristine Gold Refractors #143 Stan Musial
2002 Topps Pristine Refractors #143 Stan Musial
2002 Ultra Fall Classic #4 Stan Musial
2002 Upper Deck World Series Heroes #25 Stan Musial

Anthony Myers

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Dec 1, 2002, 3:40:54 PM12/1/02
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I'd thought it was more of a case of having an exclusive contract with
another company (bowman) rathar than having a dispute with Topps

crunchie

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Dec 1, 2002, 3:54:05 PM12/1/02
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i may be off a little bit on some of these exact company counts...but...

1946 - 1964 (78 items by 35 companies)
1965 - 1998 (107 items by 48 compaines)
1999 - 2002 (174 items by 4 companies)

more numbers showing saturation of product...wee.

-crunch


T206to1992 wrote:

> Stan Musial
>
> 1946 Sears-East St. Louis PC783 #46 Stan Musial...

crunchie

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Dec 1, 2002, 4:02:19 PM12/1/02
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might help to tell you why i broke it down like this...

1946-1964 (playing years including possible last-year card)
1965-1998 (post-career, pre-vintage boom)
1999-2002 (the glossy burn-out and vintage boom era...so far)

-crunch

Anthony Myers

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Dec 1, 2002, 4:22:26 PM12/1/02
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I remember when a player retired you could sorta count your collection as
complete.

There are a few guys who I have a complete career run of their topps base
cards. That doesn't seem as impressive anymore

You'd have to only collect scrubs to get all the cards from any one player
anymore.

In that respect the whole Pete Rose thing is sorta appealing.


Chris

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Dec 4, 2002, 1:32:31 AM12/4/02
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Anthony Myers <tonym...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:qtuG9.11187$ta5.1...@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net...

> I'd thought it was more of a case of having an exclusive contract with
> another company (bowman) rathar than having a dispute with Topps
>

Take into consideration the fact that Musial never showed up on Bowman cards
in 1950 (the only year they were a monopoly) and 1951. Since Topps wasn't
going after player contracts full-time until '52, that still doesn't explain
why Muisal sat out those seasons.

Musial wasn't in Topps sets until '58 and never showed up on Bowman cards
after '53. In that five-year span, his only major card appeared in the 1954
Red Heart set.

When Topps bought out Bowman in '56, all the player contracts maintained in
Philadelphia were voided, thereby eliminating the possibility that Musial
had to sit out his Bowman contract (despite the fact that he wasn't on a
card in either of Bowman's last two sets). I'm guessing that Stan Musial
wasn't really excited about having his picture on cards.

Since we're on the subject, what about Joe D.? He was one of the best-known
players in the game, but except for the 48/49 Leaf set (which had Musial as
well) and Berk Ross, he was absent from major card sets. Even though he
played until 1951, DiMaggio never showed up on a card from Topps or Bowman.


Ron B.

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On 01 Dec 2002 20:38:08 GMT, t206t...@aol.com (T206to1992) wrote:

Thanks for posting the list. Looks like the only year he skipped
doing cards altogether was 1957 (and possibly '56, if Yellow Basepath
was actually a pin). But he avoided both Bowman and Topps from '54
through '57, and nobody seems to know why. I've read various
descriptions on web sites that mentioned contracts, but they're all so
brief and generalized it could mean just about anything. My hunch is
that they don't know any more about it than we do right now.

If I get more curious about it, I'll try his autobiography or one of
his biographies. They might have some clues. But it's more than I
care to tackle at the moment.

Ron

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