What is "FIRST THUS Edition" ?
Rick J. Gunter
What does "FIRST THUS Edition" or "THUS FIRST Edition" mean? I have seen this
terminology used by more than one dealer on Interloc or ABE. It's a new one
on me.
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chessie
Rick J. Gunter wrote:
> What does "FIRST THUS Edition" or "THUS FIRST Edition" mean? I have seen this
> terminology used by more than one dealer on Interloc or ABE. It's a new one
> on me.
It is an edition that is nt a "true" first, ie first publication, but is the first
edition published "thus," whatever thus means. Commonly used for collections of
short stories that were published in magazines, but not collected previously.
Mike Berro
chessie <che...@tiac.net> wrote:
>It is an edition that is nt a "true" first, ie first publication, but is the first
>edition published "thus," whatever thus means. Commonly used for collections of
>short stories that were published in magazines, but not collected previously.
I don't think so. Collections of stories that were even previously
printed in books can still be "true first editions". "First edition"
refers to the "book", and not the individual stories. The value, of
course, *is* dependent on previous publication of the stories.
Usually I see "thus" describing an illustrated edition, but I've
seen it stretched perhaps beyond it's accepted usage to mean an
edition with new introduction, afterwords, etc. It's an easy word to
misuse, so if you see "thus" and are not sure, ask before buying
Good FAQ question; I'd like to see some more opinions on "thus".
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Jon Meyers
chessie wrote...
>Rick J. Gunter wrote:
>
>> What does "FIRST THUS Edition" or "THUS FIRST Edition" mean? I have seen
this
>> terminology used by more than one dealer on Interloc or ABE. It's
>> a new one on me.
>
>It is an edition that is nt a "true" first, ie first publication, but is
the first
>edition published "thus," whatever thus means. Commonly used for
collections of
>short stories that were published in magazines, but not collected
previously.
>
No, this is not how the term is used. A first edition of a book of short
stories that have previously appeared only in magazines is, in fact, a "true
first," and no qualification is needed.
"Thus" is used when a previously published (as a book) work is republished
in a new format. For instance: 1) an older book that is republished with
significant textual/editorial changes (for example, the "corrected" version
of Joyce's _Ulysses_ published several years ago; a first edition of this
book would be a "1st thus"); 2) a classic or popular book that is
republished in a special edition (anniversary edition, leatherbound,
illustrated, annotated, etc, etc); 3) a book originally published in
paperback that is reissued in a clothbound edition (might also be noted as
"first hardcover") ; 4) a foreign-language work that is published in a new
translation.
These are, I think, some of the most common types of republication. I
imagine others could come up with more examples.
Jon Meyers
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Ronald Haller-Williams
In response to Rick's query:
> > What does "FIRST THUS Edition" or "THUS FIRST Edition" mean? I have
> seen this
> > terminology used by more than one dealer on Interloc or ABE. It's a
> new one on me.
chessie correctly wrote:
> It is an edition that is not a "true" first, ie first publication, but
> is the first
> edition published "thus," whatever thus means. Commonly used for
> collections of
> short stories that were published in magazines, but not collected
> previously.
Of course, the word "thus" just means "like this" or "in this
manner/form".
So, for instance, if hardback came out in 1960 and paperback in 1966,
and the description is "pb, 1st ed thus", then this would refer to the
first *paperback* edition, i.e. 1966.
This does *not* mean that I like the term !!!
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Robin and David
Rick J. Gunter wrote:
>
> What does "FIRST THUS Edition" or "THUS FIRST Edition" mean? I have seen this
> terminology used by more than one dealer on Interloc or ABE. It's a new one
> on me.
Most often it means that the book is a reprint. When a book has been
out of print, and a new publisher issues a reprint, the reprint might
state that it is a first edition. It is a first of that reprint but not
the "true first" so the book is quoted as "First Thus".
David Mac
Tulsa Book Exchange
chessie
Mike Berro wrote:
> chessie <che...@tiac.net> wrote:
> >It is an edition that is nt a "true" first, ie first publication, but is the first
> >edition published "thus," whatever thus means. Commonly used for collections of
> >short stories that were published in magazines, but not collected previously.
>
> I don't think so. Collections of stories that were even previously
> printed in books can still be "true first editions". "First edition"
> refers to the "book", and not the individual stories. The value, of
> course, *is* dependent on previous publication of the stories.
First edition refers to publication, not form. For instance, Dashiell Hammett published
stories in various magazines. Many were collected into paperbacks later. Every one I
have seen catalogued are described as "first thus" or "first paperback." The first
edition of these was the magazine pub. The "thus" term is also commonly used when a hb
pub follows the pb, and when a collection of previously published novels are published
in an omnibus edition.
First thus is an unfortunate term. It is minimally descriptive, and really shouldn't be
used.The specifics--first book, first collected, first hardback, etc.--eliminate any
confusion, which is the purpose of catalogue descriptions. The first rule in
cataloguing is clarity.
chessie
Jon Meyers wrote:
> "Thus" is used when a previously published (as a book) work is republished
> in a new format. For instance: 1) an older book that is republished with
> significant textual/editorial changes (for example, the "corrected" version
> of Joyce's _Ulysses_ published several years ago; a first edition of this
> book would be a "1st thus");
This is the second (or later) edition. Major revision is indicated by
description of edition--otherwise everything would be a first edition.
> 2) a classic or popular book that is
> republished in a special edition (anniversary edition, leatherbound,
> illustrated, annotated, etc, etc);
Strictly speaking, the binding doesn't have anything to do with the edition. The
edition and printing are determined by the signatures (the pages themselves). It
is perfectly possible to have a leatherbound and a clothbound first edition,
both true firsts. The others generally are described as later editions, with the
exception of those books that are published both with and without illustrations
in the true first. Not common nowadays.
> 3) a book originally published in
> paperback that is reissued in a clothbound edition (might also be noted as
> "first hardcover") ;
First hardcover is a better description, but first thus would be correct.
> 4) a foreign-language work that is published in a new
> translation.
Translations are, almost by definition, not first editions. They are often
described that way, but should be called, for example, first English edition. If
they are published in one language, a translation, whether the first or a later
one, cannot be a first edition.
Scot Kamins
In article <65ibe4$s...@newsops.execpc.com>, "Jon Meyers"
<cgb...@execpc.com> wrote (in part):
>
>"Thus" is used when a previously published (as a book) work is republished
>in a new format. For instance: 1) an older book that is republished with
>significant textual/editorial changes (for example, the "corrected" version
>of Joyce's _Ulysses_ published several years ago; a first edition of this
>book would be a "1st thus"); 2) a classic or popular book that is
>republished in a special edition (anniversary edition, leatherbound,
>illustrated, annotated, etc, etc); 3) a book originally published in
>paperback that is reissued in a clothbound edition (might also be noted as
>"first hardcover") ; 4) a foreign-language work that is published in a new
>translation.
>
It also means "first printing in this edition" where "edition" means "
publishing house." I often see it when people are referring to the first
printing in the Modern Library, Everyman, or other reprint house series.
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Dana Richarson
Robin and David wrote:
>
> Rick J. Gunter wrote:
> >
> > What does "FIRST THUS Edition" or "THUS FIRST Edition" mean? I have seen this
> > terminology used by more than one dealer on Interloc or ABE. It's a new one
> > on me.
>
popular story is reprinted with different illustrations. The one example
that comes immediatley to mind is Rumor Goddon's CANDY FLOSS. It was
recently reprinted with illustrations by NONNY HOGROGIAN; an award
winning illustrator who's works are collected in thier own right.
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Hardyboy01
Ok
First Printing = what else - the first printing of the story/article/whatever.
First Edition = The first edition of this book with these plates. A first
edition can go through multiple printings and binding styles as long as the
innards of the book remain unchanged.
A collection of short stories gathered from magazines can't be considered the
first printing of those stories but there is a first edition of the book they
are contained in.
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Mike Berro
chessie <che...@tiac.net> wrote:
>First edition refers to publication, not form. For instance, Dashiell Hammett published
>stories in various magazines. Many were collected into paperbacks later. Every one I
>have seen catalogued are described as "first thus" or "first paperback." The first
>edition of these was the magazine pub. The "thus" term is also commonly used when a hb
>pub follows the pb, and when a collection of previously published novels are published
>in an omnibus edition.
I disagree somewhat. You seem to be saying that since the first
publication of "story X" was in "magazine Y", the magazine is the
first edition. I've never seen such a reference (they just say "first
publication.") If that's not what you're saying, then it seems you're
saying there was *no* first edition, only a "first thus".
In science fiction a large percentage of stories (short and novels)
were first published in magazines, and their "second publication" was
in a first edition book. I'm not saying this is clear (grin), but it
does seem to be accepted usage.
I happen to think that the first publication is more important (on
some levels) than the first edition, but it seems most collectors
ignore them.
>First thus is an unfortunate term. It is minimally descriptive, and really shouldn't be
>used.The specifics--first book, first collected, first hardback, etc.--eliminate any
>confusion, which is the purpose of catalogue descriptions. The first rule in
>cataloguing is clarity.
I agree. "First edition" is already ambiguous, since it only
implicitly specifies the printing. We need a new term for "first
edition, first printing"; perhaps FEFP?
---Mike
Sue and Ralph
Rick,
A first thus is a latter printing with new material added. Perhaps
a new introduction or a postlogue added to the orrigional text. Usually
"thuses" are much cheaper than the true first.
Ralph and Sue
Mike Berro
I think that's the best concise definition so far. Into the FAQ it
goes, unless there are more comments.