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cj

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Jun 1, 2001, 3:40:55 AM6/1/01
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Lately, everytime I've used heavy mountaineering boots, my big toes have
gotten numb and prickly, lasting for a week or two afterwards.

I thought it was caused by the particular boots I was wearing, so I just
replaced them with a pair of new Salomon Super Mountain 9's, which I thought
were a good fit and had plenty of toe room. I can kick-step without having my
toes hit the front of the boot, and in my opinion fit me as well as I could
hope. Last weekend I used my new boots and my big toes are still numb from
it! My other toes do not seem to be affected at all.

I'd be interested in hearing any suggestions about what may be causing this or
how to prevent it. Also is this a serious problem? Am I causing any permanent
damage? Any suggestions/comments welcome!

Thanks!
Chris

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Pete Hickey

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Jun 1, 2001, 7:12:53 AM6/1/01
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In article <9f7gnk$uik$1...@slb7.atl.mindspring.net>,

cj <cjai...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Lately, everytime I've used heavy mountaineering boots, my big toes have
>gotten numb and prickly, lasting for a week or two afterwards.

>I'd be interested in hearing any suggestions about what may be causing this or
>how to prevent it.

I had this once and I went to see a doctor. She told me that
there is a nerve running close to the surface, on the top of the
foot, from the toe to the leg. She drew the line with a magic
marker. Anyway, it came from the boots being tight, higher
up, not anywhere near the toe.


> Also is this a serious problem? Am I causing any permanent
>damage?

I asked her if it was permanent, and she said that it could be.
She told me to wait and see if it goes away. In my case, it lasted
a month. I don't remember why it happened, because I had used those
boots previously, and used them again without problems. It may have
been something like they were wet, and dried in a funny shape.

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rick++

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Jun 1, 2001, 9:33:12 AM6/1/01
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The boots could be compressing your nerves in your ankles,
even though you feel it in your toes. Are the heels higher or lower
than what you are used to?

Blane Todd

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Jun 1, 2001, 10:31:06 AM6/1/01
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Happened to me when my Boreal Super Latoks were new. Try a little bit
thinner sock.
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Brad Brandewie

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Jun 1, 2001, 12:07:35 PM6/1/01
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Chris,
Are you boots tight anywhere on your foot? I have SM9s and they are
VERY roomy in the toe but are fairly tight through the shaft
(metatarsels) of my foot. It is not a problem for me but I notice that
if I crank my boots down too tight, my toes get cold. Just a thought.

Brad

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MarkW

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Jun 1, 2001, 1:16:01 PM6/1/01
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How do you like those boots and for what uses? I am considering getting a
pair.

Thanks,

MarkW

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Sue

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Jun 1, 2001, 2:39:14 PM6/1/01
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In article <9f7gnk$uik$1...@slb7.atl.mindspring.net>, cj
<cjai...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Lately, everytime I've used heavy mountaineering boots, my big toes have
> gotten numb and prickly, lasting for a week or two afterwards.

<snip>


> I'd be interested in hearing any suggestions about what may be causing this
> or
> how to prevent it. Also is this a serious problem? Am I causing any
> permanent
> damage? Any suggestions/comments welcome!

Chris,

The foot has a multitude of small nerves that can get compressed at
different locations. The pattern of numbness usually provides a clue.
Is it the entire big toe (i.e. top and bottom and both sides of the
toe) or is it confined to one area of the big toe?

The most common injury results in numbness along the outside half
(medial aspect) of the big toe, usually the undersurface is involved as
well, but not the part of the big toe that is adjacent to the rest of
the toes, or much of the top. It results from compression of the medial
plantar nerve as it passes underneath the head of the first metatarsal.
you can usually locate the site of comression by tapping briskly. It
should give you a shock like sensation into the toe. This is called a
Tinel's sign.

***If**** this is the case its not serious. Mine have been gone
intermittently for the last 20 years or so. Of course it could be a
tumor. I'm kidding, of course, but pointing out the usual: that with
medical advice on the internet you get what you pay for. and YMMV


Sue

doc

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Jun 1, 2001, 4:08:31 PM6/1/01
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I've heard the condition being called "backpacker's toe." Most likely it is
caused from the boot being too tight somewhere along the top of the boot,
while the toe making contact at the front can also be the culprit. Try
different lacing techniques, such as loosening the lower boot a little and
tying off (use a single cross of the laces such as one uses just before
making the loops in a typical final lace knot) at or about (meaning just
above or just below) where the front of the boot approximates a right angle.
Then continue lacing up for ankle support as desired.

The condition generally takes a few weeks of non-abuse to rectify itself. I
would definitely take care of the problem though. I suspect that repeated
abuse may lead to more permanent damage. I would not worry so much about a
few incidents while sorting out a solution.

doc

Lee

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Jun 1, 2001, 9:55:02 PM6/1/01
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cj wrote:

Try to get fitted by a shop that uses the Oren Fit System. If they are doing it
for real (the way Phil Oren teaches it) they won't stop till it's right, and you
will find out all kinds of things about your feet and boot fitting along the way.


--
C'ya
Lee


cj

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Jun 1, 2001, 10:29:17 PM6/1/01
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In article <l5QR6.4209$gA.15...@monger.newsread.com>, "MarkW" <cmt...@NOSPAMchequemate.com> wrote:
>How do you like those boots and for what uses? I am considering getting a
>pair.

I've only used them once, but I like them. They are almost completely rigid
and probably not very comfortable to hike in. I got them for snow and ice and
used them on the U-Notch last weekend. This was the first time I wore them
off the carpet (no break-in) and they felt comfortable. I did not get any
blisters. I only used them on the snow and wore running shoes up to snowline.

I'm still trying to get used to how they handle on rock--to me they seem stiff
and clunky, but I'd assume that all stiff moutain boots feel that way.

You should be able to get a pair real cheap on closeout right now as I don't
think this model is made anymore.

Manny Freitas

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Jun 9, 2001, 2:55:10 PM6/9/01
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I've had a similar problem happen to me when I wore my Makalus on a
Rainier trip when the boots were still failrly new. The numbness
however, occurred on the 3 outside toes on my right foot, and it
stayed numb for about a year and a half. Seriously :-) It's all gone
now except whenever I use any kind of boots my little toe still gets
numb. But with a little massaging afterwards it goes back to normal
the next day.

- Manny.

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