Logic Boat 210 cc HELP Newbie
craz...@iwom.com
I'm a first time buyer with no practical boating experience. I
currently am relying on the expertise of other i.e. news groups,magazine
and word of mouth to aid me in my first purchase.
With all that in mind I've come across what seems to be a very nice entry
level boat from a company called Logic Marine. The problem is I can't
seem to to find anyone that has any experience with this boat except for
all the Logic dealers, and trust me their first concern is not me its
the sale.
Region: I live in Biloxi Mississippi, so I'm looking for something
trailer able and strong enough to go 1-2 miles off shore for fishing and
powerful enough to pull a skier. And to top it all of my budget is only
$18.000.
I welcome all comments related to this matter, please no flame wars on
this subject I really want to know what you all think. Maybe I'm looking
in the wrong direction and this may not be the brand for me????
I thank you all in-advance for reading and replying to my post.
Thank you
RMV
hkr...@capu.net
>
> Hello.
>
> I'm a first time buyer with no practical boating experience. I
> currently am relying on the expertise of other i.e. news groups,magazine
> and word of mouth to aid me in my first purchase.
>
> With all that in mind I've come across what seems to be a very nice entry
> level boat from a company called Logic Marine. The problem is I can't
> seem to to find anyone that has any experience with this boat except for
> all the Logic dealers, and trust me their first concern is not me its
> the sale.
Several posters here who have bought these boats have reported hull deformation
problems, porpoising problems, steering problems. I have no idea whether these
are endemic to the Logic line. I do recall a post or two from a pleased owner.
Caveat emptor.
--
Harry Krause
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If I buy the steel wool, can you knit me a Porsche?
Capt. Bill White
kid's toys are, from injection-molded PLASTIC. I was working a boat
show recently (promoting my charter and one of the magazines I write
for) and saw the Logic 210 CC on display. The salesman thought I was
interested (NOT) and started his pitch. When I asked why anyone would
want an injection molded plastic boat, he said because "It's lighter
and more durable than fiberglass and easier to repair"....So I asked
what he meant by that. He immediately produced a piece of the plastic
the boat is made from and easily pierced it with an icepick. He then
used a Bic lighter to melt the hole over and seal the damage.
Ok..easier to repair than fiberglass...but why would you or anyone
else in their right mind want a boat that you can stick an icepick
through?
I've seen several of these boats on the water and they behave and
perform like any ordinary glass boat, but upon closer inspection you
can see where damage has been done by the slightest contact with the
dock. I watched one fellow loading his on the trailer...he missed the
rollers on his first attempt, and gauged a 6" hole in the bow..with
less momentum than a slight push would create.
In short, if you have a budget of $18,000, you can easily afford a far
nicer boat, which would be alot more durable and give you many more
years of boating pleasure than this plastic gimmick boat.
I can suggest any number of fine boats that would be the same size
and alot more functional, such as the Century 21 CC, for about the
same price with a Johnson 115 for power.
Well..you asked, I gave my professional opinion...hope you take it to
heart. Feel free to write if you'd like help finding a new or used
boat, I have tons of resources and can usually find you anything you
want for the right price.
Capt. Bill White
Sarasota, Florida
On Sat, 12 Aug 2000 08:09:52 -0500, craz...@iwom.com wrote:
>Hello.
>
>I'm a first time buyer with no practical boating experience. I
>currently am relying on the expertise of other i.e. news groups,magazine
>and word of mouth to aid me in my first purchase.
>
>With all that in mind I've come across what seems to be a very nice entry
>level boat from a company called Logic Marine. The problem is I can't
>seem to to find anyone that has any experience with this boat except for
>all the Logic dealers, and trust me their first concern is not me its
>the sale.
>
hkr...@capu.net
>
> Here's the straight deal.....Logic boats are made the same way your
> kid's toys are, from injection-molded PLASTIC. I was working a boat
> show recently (promoting my charter and one of the magazines I write
> for) and saw the Logic 210 CC on display. The salesman thought I was
> interested (NOT) and started his pitch. When I asked why anyone would
> want an injection molded plastic boat, he said because "It's lighter
> and more durable than fiberglass and easier to repair"....So I asked
> what he meant by that. He immediately produced a piece of the plastic
> the boat is made from and easily pierced it with an icepick. He then
> used a Bic lighter to melt the hole over and seal the damage.
> Ok..easier to repair than fiberglass...but why would you or anyone
> else in their right mind want a boat that you can stick an icepick
> through?
>
How easy was it to push the pick through the plastic? Can you describe what took
place?
--
Harry Krause
------------
It's Spaceball One! They've gone to plaid!
Bill Stockstill
> I can suggest any number of fine boats that would be the same size
> and alot more functional, such as the Century 21 CC, for about the
> same price with a Johnson 115 for power.
My friend who lives in Sarasota has a 1994 Century 186 Intercoastal who
needed a new hull in 1996. Cracked right through the gas tank. Luckily the
cheesey 5 year hull warranty was still in effect. Of course they didn't send
a truck down to take the boat back to Pensacola, they picked it up when they
had one in the area doing deliveries. 2 months later. The upolstery mildewed
almost immediately as well as cracked and had to be replaced. Not some of
it, all of it. The hardware was junk, the baitwell pump that was hardly used
lasted just over a year. The list goes on. Hopefully they have addressed
these quality issues.
> Capt. Bill White
> Sarasota, Florida
>
Captain White since you are in Sarasota could you ask the people at Siesta
Key Marina how they like the Logics and post their responses here? They are
featured in the Logic video and tell how they outlast all the other boats
they use for rentals. These boats are used by all those tourists you get
down there that have no clue on how to operate a boat. What's the average
depth of the Sarasota Bay? 3 feet? That's the same video where they drive it
up on a dock without damage and another Marina owner on Anna Maria states
his confidence in it for sales and rentals. That's the same video that the
Genmar (Wellcraft, Ranger, Aquasprot, Trojan) test captain says he calls it
"the bus" and looked into buying the test boat.
I actually own a Logic 210 CC. As for piercing a piece of the same material
they use for the hull easily with an icepick, I had trouble drilling into
mine to place cup holders on the console. I also avoid boating in areas that
are full of icepicks.
The boat has a lifetime warranty. People who had problems with hull list now
have new hulls. I had a porposing problem. It was because the dealer had the
engine too low. The hinges they used on the anchor compartment door and
livewell lid (3) are cheap. The factory sent me 4 and the dealer gave me 3.
Sport Fishing and Saltwater Sportsman both had good reviews of the boat.
If you want to buy a boat and don't want to worry about gelcoats, wax,
cracks, bottom paint, blisters, wood stringers, poor hull to deck fittings,
etc.. get a Logic.
Bill
P.S. I just called Siesta Key Marina 1-941-349-8880. They have used the 15
and 17 footers for 3 1/5 to 4 years now and are ordering more. They said,
"you can't kill them" and "they are fantastic" and "you will love them".
They said you can bang them into docks and run over oyster beds without
worry. They also said they are easy to work on. And...they sell Century
boats. Hmmm I wonder why they don't use them in their rental fleet.
Bill Stockstill
<hkr...@capu.net> wrote in message news:39956674...@capu.net...
> craz...@iwom.com wrote:
> Several posters here who have bought these boats have reported hull
deformation
> problems, porpoising problems, steering problems. I have no idea whether
these
> are endemic to the Logic line. I do recall a post or two from a pleased
owner.
>
I was the several posters with the steering and porpoising problems. :-]
It was because the marina installed the engine too low. It now is now fine
and I am pleased indeed. Also, the hull deformation is endemic to the
cooling of the hull. If you call the factory they will tell you that. I see
no effect on performance. She gets on plane in 4 seconds and steers straight
as an arrow.
Bill
wozzy
siz...@nospambigfoot.com says...
>
> She gets on plane in 4 seconds and steers straight
> as an arrow.
>
> Bill
>
I prefer my boat to steer in a curvy sort of way.
Wozzy
wozzy
siz...@nospambigfoot.com says...
>
>
> Sport Fishing and Saltwater Sportsman both had good reviews of the boat.
>
Have you ever seen a review in either of these two Magazines that had
ANYTHING bad to say about anything? ...I havn't!
Wozzy
hkr...@capu.net
>
> The boat has a lifetime warranty. People who had problems with hull list now
> have new hulls. I had a porposing problem. It was because the dealer had the
> engine too low.
Are you saying that the engine was mounted too low in the predrilled transom
holes and that the boat porpoised as a result? Seems like the result would be
more drag and less speed, but not porpoising...
--
Harry Krause
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Laissez les bon temps rouler!
Bill Stockstill
<hkr...@capu.net> wrote in message news:3995C12...@capu.net...
> Are you saying that the engine was mounted too low in the predrilled
transom
> holes and that the boat porpoised as a result? Seems like the result would
be
> more drag and less speed, but not porpoising...
>
Yep, I had more drag, less speed and it had hardly any leeway on trim. It
did not porpoise if trimmed all the way in, but it did once you raised in
just a little. I get almost 5 mph more now that the motor is higher.
Bill
RCD V200
did look at a few Logic boats recently and I do know a bit about plastics. Im
not sure what the demonstration with the ice pick this person saw entailed but
I seriously doubt anyone will or can push one through a Logic boat given the
thickness and hardness of the few models I saw. Its human nature to doubt
something new but in all reality this boat is virtually indestructable. This
type of plastic is very strong and would probably last about 60 years or more
even if you stored it underwater! Once these boats have proven themselves as I
am sure they will you can bet the prices will soar. Logic's parent company is
Genmar and they arent giving a lifetime hull warranty for nothing. If you dont
know who Genmar is, visit their web site http://www.genmar.com/
You will quickly find that they are un-arguably behind most of the finest
boating names in the world.
Just my .02
LaBomba182
>From: rcd...@aol.com.kilspam
Damn, you would post this during a flame truce. Capt. Bill
hkr...@capu.net
Well, Genmar is the corporation behind two of the best production boats, Ranger
and Lund, and one of the best semi-custom boats, Hatteras. The rest of its
"line" is...ordinary.
--
Harry Krause
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Just because something doesn't do what you planned it to do doesn't mean it's
useless
hkr...@capu.net
>
> On Sat, 12 Aug 2000 11:12:50 -0400, hkr...@capu.net wrote:
>
> >
> >How easy was it to push the pick through the plastic? Can you describe what took
> >place?
>
> so, that same experiment with fiberglass would be nearly impossible.
> Suffice to say the plastic was soft enough to take the damage and be
> repaired with a lighter. As far as other comments concerning dealer
> opinions...dealer and magazine opinions are only as good as the checks
> used to pay for them. In other words, if you were a Logic dealer,
> would you say or agree with anything derogatory? I doubt it. As for
> the use of the Logic by Siesta Key marina as a rental boat...No, I
> wouldn't use the Century as a rental either if I had a cheap plastic
> boat to use instead. Handing a $20,000 cc to a renter instead of a
> $3000 plastic hull makes no sense..if I had a rental company I'd use
> the Logics too...My suggestion of the Century was simply off the top
> of my head...but there are many, many choices available given the
> budget of the fellow who requested the opinion.
> All in all...I gave my professional opinion based on what experience I
> have with this boat, not in any attempt to start a fight or insult any
> current Logic owner. After all, there are different boats for
> different folks, and maybe next year they'll make one out of styrofoam
> so everyone can afford one. Sorry, that was a snide remark...just
> funnin'...
> I do have questions for the Logic owner...although Logic provides a
> "lifetime warranty", how many hulls will Logic replace for you till
> they run out of surplus or till they kill your warranty because
> they're tired of giving you a new boat every time yours needs
> replacing?? Any company who would so freely offer a complete
> replacement hull is either making them so cheaply that the profit
> margin allows it or is quickly going to be out of business. How do the
> stresses of outboard torque affect the plastic transom? Is there
> significant flex? As with any plastic, does the continuing flex result
> in separation? Are the transoms wood reinforced? If so, why buy a boat
> containing wood when so many don't because of wood rot factors?
> I run a Carolina Skiff 2380V for my backwater charter, and some sneer
> at that boat as being cheap, but it is what came out on top as far as
> my research was concerned, being large, open, and stable for my
> clients while at the same time drafting as little as the twice as
> expensive Hewes and Action Craft. It's also gained a reputation as one
> of the most durable and depandable skiffs on the water. It wasn't
> included in the Saltwater Sportsman 1999 Boat Review because Carolina
> Skiff didn't pay to be included. Aside form that, I fitted it with a
> tower which the other boats wouldn't support (not enough room). What
> all this means (directing this comment to the original poster) is do
> your research, never mind what the dealers say, and buy the boat you
> want. Period. I wish you good luck in any choice you make.
>
> Capt. Bill White
> Sarasota Florida
I'm a big fan of Carolina Skiffs for the reasons you mention and also because
they don't get blown around a lot...low sides, little windage.
--
Harry Krause
------------
I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy
Capt. Bill White
RCD V200
>Ranger
>and Lund, and one of the best semi-custom boats, Hatteras. The rest of its
>"line" is...ordinary.
>--
>Harry Krause
I rest my case. Having Harry agree with me this much is an honor.... >:)
Bill Stockstill
"Capt. Bill White" <Profi...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:3995df41.27301681@news-server...
> I do have questions for the Logic owner...although Logic provides a
> "lifetime warranty", how many hulls will Logic replace for you till
> they run out of surplus or till they kill your warranty because
> they're tired of giving you a new boat every time yours needs
> replacing??
For one, I don't plan on ever needing a hull replacement. If I did need
repeated hull replacements I would think it would not just be me but
everyone with a Logic. Class action suit against Logic and Genmar would be
the remedy. Again, I don't forsee that happening.
>Any company who would so freely offer a complete
> replacement hull is either making them so cheaply that the profit
> margin allows it or is quickly going to be out of business.
Ever hear of Dusky boats? They have a lifetime hull warranty too. They have
been in business for years and considered a top quality boat.
>How do the
> stresses of outboard torque affect the plastic transom? Is there
> significant flex? As with any plastic, does the continuing flex result
> in separation? Are the transoms wood reinforced? If so, why buy a boat
> containing wood when so many don't because of wood rot factors?
1. The boat has no wood in it. 2. The transom does not flex. We are talking
a piece of polyethelene that is what...2-3 inches thick and is holding up a
400 lb motor. I'll be in Sarasota September and October fishing on it a week
at a time. If I see you on your Carolina Skiff with the tower, I'll come
over and intro myself and let you come aboard if you like for a spin. You
can watch the transom and see what I mean.
As for repairing the hull, you need one of those industrial blow dryers.
That puts out significantly more heat then a lighter, having a torch inside
to generate heat. Of course if you did that to a fiberglas boat, I would
imagine it would burn to the water line in about 3 minutes.
You need to actually ride in one. Compared with your Carolina Skiff the ride
is night and day. You don't get wet or pounded to death in a chop. Again, if
I see you down there I'd be happy to invite you aboard.
I researched this purchase for about a year and looked at Wellcraft,
SeaSwirl, Aquasport, Dusky, Cobia, Pro Line to name some. I have faith that
Genmar would not own a company that will cause it bad press or legal
hassels. The boat has 8 design patents and was awarded the 1998 New Product
Award by the National Society of Professional Engineers. "The fishing
utility boats are being honored for their innovative use of engineering
principles and materials and overall benefits to society." I don't think
Logic paid them to say that.
Bill
Bill Stockstill
produce.
Bill
<hkr...@capu.net> wrote in message news:3995DED0...@capu.net...
> Well, Genmar is the corporation behind two of the best production boats,
Ranger
> and Lund, and one of the best semi-custom boats, Hatteras. The rest of its
> "line" is...ordinary.
> --
> Harry Krause
LaBomba182
>Well, Genmar is the corporation behind two of the best production boats,
>Ranger
>and Lund, and one of the best semi-custom boats, Hatteras. The rest of its
>"line" is...ordinary.
>--
>Harry Krause
3 out of 12, and Hatteras is debatable in the context of semi-custom cruiser
IMHO. Remember the poster said.... > >You will quickly
find that they are un-arguably behind most of the finest
> >boating names in the world.
Capt. Bill
Al
is NOT injection molded. It is roto-molded from plastic powder. If
offering a "professional" opinion you need to check the facts first.
Al
"Capt. Bill White" wrote:
>
> Here's the straight deal.....Logic boats are made the same way your
> kid's toys are, from injection-molded PLASTIC.
SNIP
> Well..you asked, I gave my professional opinion...
Al
>
> 1. The boat has no wood in it. 2. The transom does not flex. We are talking
> a piece of polyethelene that is what...2-3 inches thick and is holding up a
> 400 lb motor.
My Logic 15' has a huge aluminum plate wrapped up and over the transom.
Is yours this way?
Al
JFG
--
Jim
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"Al" <eh...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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Bill Stockstill
Al
don't hold in polyethylene.
The forward hatch drains leak water into the hull of the boat under
way. This is a factory defect in the molding.
Numerous screws are backing out of the floor and the pedestals where
they screw down. Apparently poly is too slippery to grip a screw.
The dealer promised 38-39 mph, I get 33-34. This is a 15 with a Merc
50.
The boat looks like crap up close. I thought I'd get over this but I
haven't. If I had it to do over I'd buy something else.
Anyone want a good deal on a 2001 Logic, 2001 Merc 50 and a trailer?
Al
JFG
I loved to buy one, is it in good shape? ;)
--
Jim
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"Al" <eh...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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Jack Redington
Capt Jack R..
RMV
craz...@iwom.com says...
> Hello.
>
> I'm a first time buyer with no practical boating experience. I
> currently am relying on the expertise of other i.e. news groups,magazine
> and word of mouth to aid me in my first purchase.
>
> With all that in mind I've come across what seems to be a very nice entry
> level boat from a company called Logic Marine. The problem is I can't
> seem to to find anyone that has any experience with this boat except for
> all the Logic dealers, and trust me their first concern is not me its
> the sale.
>
> Region: I live in Biloxi Mississippi, so I'm looking for something
> trailer able and strong enough to go 1-2 miles off shore for fishing and
> powerful enough to pull a skier. And to top it all of my budget is only
> $18.000.
>
> I welcome all comments related to this matter, please no flame wars on
> this subject I really want to know what you all think. Maybe I'm looking
> in the wrong direction and this may not be the brand for me????
>
> I thank you all in-advance for reading and replying to my post.
>
> Thank you
>
> RMV
>
>
>
Hello: Again
First, I liked to thank all of you who have replied.
Second, I don't mean to insult anyone's intelligence or down-play or up-
play any particular product.
My continuing saga in a quest for my first boat. As you recall I was
interested in the Logic 210 cc based on its price according to my budget
of $18,000. I visited my local Logic dealer in Pascagoula MS. were a
final out the door price of $24.000 set in after T-Top, 150 hp Merc
Classic, Trailer, GPS, VHF, Depth Finder. WOW!!!! Not what I was wanting
to hear!!!!!
Lets talk about the Logic 210 cc/again remember this is from someone with
zero boating experience, just plain o'l gut feeling. The Logic seemed
like a very solid piece BUT !! there was just something about it that
didn't sit well with me.
Anyway, while on the lot, the dealer showed me a Wellcraft and a Procat
that were bottom line but in the same price range of a decked out Logic
210 cc. So that got me to thinking what's with this Poly-vs-Fiberglass
thing anyway ? Why does fiberglass still continue to be a favorite among
many folks still today, when this whole poly idea seems to the be the
next wave to come. ( I had to watch to 13min video from Logic )
After leaving the Pascagoula dealer I returned to the dealer in Ocean
Springs MS were I went back to look at the Pro-Line DC 20 which they were
offering for about the 24k price range.
Since yesterday my brain has been plagued with many horrible thoughts
such as: Will I ever find a nice new >20 ft boat for less than 20k after
taxes! Are there any dealer out there that still care about the costumer
and not the sale. I think the worst part of this whole experience so far
is this is not like buying cars I'm bound to lose my shirt in this
process of buying a boat.
But why not get a used boat with lots of cool electronics pre installed?
Because I don't know jack about USED boats, so I'd probably end up with a
lemon.
Last thing, I have a Ford 150 that I saved $7,000 off the sticker price
by using Edmunds.com, is there an equivalent site for boating. I've been
to Boatus.com, Boattraderonline.com, iwaterways.com but they all seem to
lack the ability to read reviews on all boats produced and price shop
against MSRP prices.
I know that this post is somewhat wordy but please do understand I'm a
first time buyer I'm going to have questions.
To any boat dealer out there I'm willing to drive 5-10 hours away if the
deal is right.
Again thank you all for you help
RMV
hkr...@capu.net
>
> So that got me to thinking what's with this Poly-vs-Fiberglass
> thing anyway ? Why does fiberglass still continue to be a favorite among
> many folks still today, when this whole poly idea seems to the be the
> next wave to come. ( I had to watch to 13min video from Logic )
>
There's absolutely no evidence that plastic boats made in a mold from heated
powder is "the way" to go or the next wave to come.
I've seen a couple of Logic boats at a couple of boat shows. They totally
unimpressed me.
--
Harry Krause
------------
Back up my hard disk? I can't find the reverse switch!
RMV
210 cc. So that got me to thinking what's with this Poly-vs-Fiberglass
thing anyway ? Why does fiberglass still continue to be a favorite among
many folks still today, when this whole poly idea seems to the be the
next wave to come. ( I had to watch to 13min video from Logic )
After leaving the Pascagoula dealer I returned to the dealer in Ocean
Gloveman
Why don't you hire a reputable surveyer as a consultant
on this matter. He or she will be able to look at new and
used boats and keep you from making a big mistake.
Yes, you will lose your shirt on buying a boat, new or used
they are all money pits.
Why do we do it? Because we love it!
Bill Stockstill
classic, tandom trailer with brakes, and fishfinder was under 20K.
Bill
"RMV" <craz...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Bill Stockstill
remedied with the Rule sealant available at the dealer. As for your hull
leaking problem and rub rail not staying on, email me and I will tell you a
name of someone at the factory who will help you get that fixed.
Bill
hkr...@capu.net
A decent offshore strength T-Top with quality fabric for that size boat is going
to run $2500 or more, a decent GPS is at least $350, a decent VHF with antenna
is about $300, et cetera.
What's decent offshore strength for a T-Top? One I can jump up to and hang onto
with the T-Top tubes bending.
--
Harry Krause
-
hkr...@capu.net
Some of the problems are indicative of poor choice of materials and methodology
at the factory. Screws backing out, hull leaks, staples holding on the rub rail,
et cetera, would make me wonder about the components that were out of sight.
--
Harry Krause
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Illegal aliens are a problem Ask any Native American
hkr...@capu.net
Err...that's without the tubes bending...
--
Harry Krause
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All cats are underachievers
Al
June, got maybe 6 hours on it.
Al
JFG wrote:
>
> Al,
> I loved to buy one, is it in good shape? ;)
>
> --
>
> Jim
> ---
>
> "Al" <eh...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:39971961...@earthlink.net...
> > The rub rail is coming off, it is merely stapled on. Staples apparently
> > don't hold in polyethylene.
> > The forward hatch drains leak water into the hull of the boat under
> > way. This is a factory defect in the molding.
> > Numerous screws are backing out of the floor and the pedestals where
> > they screw down. Apparently poly is too slippery to grip a screw.
> > The dealer promised 38-39 mph, I get 33-34. This is a 15 with a Merc
> > 50.
> > The boat looks like crap up close. I thought I'd get over this but I
> > haven't. If I had it to do over I'd buy something else.
> > Anyone want a good deal on a 2001 Logic, 2001 Merc 50 and a trailer?
> > Al
> >
> >
> >
> >
Al
small feat, they didn't return the first 2 emails or phone call. The
problem is, I shouldn't have to take a brand new boat to a factory 4
hours away and leave it for repair. This means 16 hours of driving.
The defect items should be non-issues before it ever leaves the plant.
The not liking the looks of the material is my fault.
Al
Bill Stockstill wrote:
>
> If it was the 17 I'd buy it in a second. Your screws backing out is easily
> remedied with the Rule sealant available at the dealer. As for your hull
> leaking problem and rub rail not staying on, email me and I will tell you a
> name of someone at the factory who will help you get that fixed.
>
> Bill
>
JFG
--
Jim
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"Al" <eh...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> As good or better than it came out of the factory. Only bought it in
> June, got maybe 6 hours on it.
>
> Al
>
> JFG wrote:
> >
> > Al,
> > I loved to buy one, is it in good shape? ;)
> >
> > --
> >
> > Jim
> > ---
> >
Al
Al
Al
Al
hkr...@capu.net
>
> My bid was for a 2001 Logic 26, sorry.
>
> --
>
> Jim
> ---
>
For landshark fishing on Lake Lanier, no doubt.
--
Harry Krause
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Santa's elves are just a bunch of subordinate Clauses
JFG
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Jim
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"Al" <eh...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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Al
Al
JFG
It is not landsharks, it is LakeSharks, don't you know anything about
freshwater fish?
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Jim
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<hkr...@capu.net> wrote in message news:399B2ECA...@capu.net...
> JFG wrote:
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> > My bid was for a 2001 Logic 26, sorry.
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> > Jim
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hkr...@capu.net
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> Harry,
> It is not landsharks, it is LakeSharks, don't you know anything about
> freshwater fish?
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> Jim
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Hardly nuttin'.
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Harry Krause
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But that trick NEVER works!
Bill Stockstill
That along with the drought and the stupid decision of the Army Corps of
Engineers to send billions of gallons downstream to float 10 commercial
barges in April. Duh.
http://www.accessatlanta.com/partners/ajc/newsatlanta/lanier0810.html
Bill
<hkr...@capu.net> wrote in message news:399B2ECA...@capu.net...
> JFG wrote:
> >
> > My bid was for a 2001 Logic 26, sorry.
> >
> > --
> >
> > Jim
> > ---
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>