For Sale: Hobie 18' Magnum
Maximo Hans Salinas
>
>1) I would NEVER put 4 on a set of magnum wings!! About 1.5 yrs ago, a friend
>and I were at Lake McConnaughy in Nebraska for a weekends sailing. It turned
>quite windy - winds in 30+ mph range (I was overpowered on my sailboard with a
>4.4 meter sq. sail!). We ran into someone with a hobie 18 with wings and he said
>sure, it will carry 4 no problem. To make a long story short, the first large
>wave that hit us ripped the wing we were on off the boat, and the 2nd wave
>flipped the boat end-for-end (it was already on its side capsized by then).
>
>Wings are NOT strong enough for more than a couple of people in any wave action.
>
>2) NOT a dry boat unless you are up in the wings.
>
>chad
>pr...@helios.unl.edu
>
Those conditions are a little extreme to justify a broad categorization. I
have had four comfortably on this cat in winds up to 20mph. One would have
to be crazy to sail in anthing above that with more than two on board
because of the reactions required by the crew.
Of course this is only a dry boat only if you are on the wings. Otherwise,
it's like any other Hobie 18 (very wet). However, I have found I (and my
crew) can easily sit on the wings on all but the calmest conditions (in
those calm moments, even the tramp stays dry anyway).
Lastly, this is a very sturdy boat. I've had three on the one wing many times.
From what you describe, it sounds like the wing was ripped off because the
wave forced it UPWARD, not downward as people would. This would have ripped
off the wing with no one sitting on it. In fact, more people on it might
reduce the chance of this happening.
Max Salinas
mh...@virginia.edu
Chad Price
>FOR SALE: HOBIE 18' MAGNUM
>1986 Hobie 18' catamaran with magnum wings. Carries four
>very comfortably, up to six if necessary. A very dry catamaran,
>relatively speaking. Hull is blue, spars are black anodyzed aluminum
>with 'comp-tip' mast, and sails are multicolored.
Maximo Hans Salinas
FOR SALE: HOBIE 18' MAGNUM
1986 Hobie 18' catamaran with magnum wings. Carries four
very comfortably, up to six if necessary. A very dry catamaran,
relatively speaking. Hull is blue, spars are black anodyzed aluminum
with 'comp-tip' mast, and sails are multicolored.
The hull, spars, and main sail are in great shape; the jib is in good
shape. The boat has been under a canvas cover when not in use.
Currently trailered in the Washington, D.C. area.
Additional goodies include trailer with goody box, two trapeze
harnesses, some life jackets, two racing compasses, and more.
Price is $4200.
Call (804) 924-6072 (Daytime)
(804) 977-4922 (Evenings; before 11pm East Coast time)
or e-mail: mh...@Virginia.EDU
Charlie Mayne
The capacity of the boat is 800 lbs, the load limit of the wing is 450.
I think the original post did not intend all four passemgers to be out on the
wing. The way to do it with four, if it is blowing hard enough, is for two
to be trapped out and have two hiking on the wing. The trapped folks will
have their feet on the wing, but most of the weight will be on the wire.
Being trapped out on the wing in rough water is not a place for the faint
of heart. Being on the wire is one of the best parts of catamaran sailing,
but it is a long way to fall.
Cheers,
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Charlie Mayne
>
>Being trapped out on the wing in rough water is not a place for the faint
>of heart. Being on the wire is one of the best parts of catamaran sailing,
>but it is a long way to fall.
>
Someone just asked "how long." Well, if you pitch it when trapped from
the wing, the place your feet were when you got launched was about 8 - 10
feet above the water. The big problem lies in avoiding all of the landing
hazards (i.e., people, shrouds, spars, etc.) There is a point at which one
says "fuck the boat" and just tries to hang on and survive the crash.
Chad Price
>>>1) I would NEVER put 4 on a set of magnum wings!!
>The capacity of the boat is 800 lbs, the load limit of the wing is 450.
>I think the original post did not intend all four passemgers to be out on the
>wing. The way to do it with four, if it is blowing hard enough, is for two
>to be trapped out and have two hiking on the wing. The trapped folks will
>have their feet on the wing, but most of the weight will be on the wire.
>Being trapped out on the wing in rough water is not a place for the faint
>of heart. Being on the wire is one of the best parts of catamaran sailing,
>but it is a long way to fall.
In my e-mail conversation with the original poster, that is what I understand
him to have intended: all 4 on the wing. That is where we were, with 2 of us
hooked in and about to get out on the wire when the wave hit. I still would
NEVER put 4 on a set of wings is windy rough conditions.
Chad Price
>In article <1992Mar23.1...@oakhill.sps.mot.com> char...@oakhill.UUCP (Charlie Mayne) writes:
>>
>>Being trapped out on the wing in rough water is not a place for the faint
>>of heart. Being on the wire is one of the best parts of catamaran sailing,
>>but it is a long way to fall.
>>
>Someone just asked "how long." Well, if you pitch it when trapped from
>the wing, the place your feet were when you got launched was about 8 - 10
>feet above the water. The big problem lies in avoiding all of the landing
>hazards (i.e., people, shrouds, spars, etc.) There is a point at which one
>says "fuck the boat" and just tries to hang on and survive the crash.
with the boat capsized, and 3 of us in the water upwind of the boat, and the
boat sailing away with the tramp as a sail, we 3 swam to shore (1/2 hour or
so). I used to swim for fitness regularly with a mile time of about 35 minutes,
and could not catch the boat! We did ALL have on PFDs and wet suits. The 4th
person landed on the leeward side of a hull and managed to right the boat an
get it to shore after a 2nd capsize.
Pete Yadlowsky
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Charlie Mayne
>char...@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Charlie Mayne) writes:
>
>>>>1) I would NEVER put 4 on a set of magnum wings!!
>
>>The capacity of the boat is 800 lbs, the load limit of the wing is 450.
>
>>I think the original post did not intend all four passemgers to be out on the
>>wing. The way to do it with four, if it is blowing hard enough, is for two
>>to be trapped out and have two hiking on the wing. The trapped folks will
>>have their feet on the wing, but most of the weight will be on the wire.
>
>him to have intended: all 4 on the wing. That is where we were, with 2 of us
>hooked in and about to get out on the wire when the wave hit. I still would
>NEVER put 4 on a set of wings is windy rough conditions.
I assume you mean now and in the future, after the experience of having a
wing ripped off. Actually, I just remembered that it wasn't your boat, so
it probably wasn't your call that had the four of you on the wing.
You are right, all four cannot be sitting on the wing without exceeding the
manufacturer's load limit of 450 lbs (unless all are quite small.) The
people on the wire have to go out before someone else can come on to the
wing.
I like catamarans, but they are not dry in rough water. I like wings. They
give you something to lean back on in light air. They are also a comfortable
place to sit and drier than the side of the boat. It is much more secure
feeling than being on the trap line, and it is almost as good a righting
moment as being trapped off the side of the boat. When you are trapped off
the wing, you are further out so righting moment is improved. In light
conditions, I strap down the ice chest and cooler out on the wings to save
tramp space for the family (we go picnicing, labrador and all.) There are
down sides to the wings, though. They add some complexity and points of
failure. They can drag in the water if you are really heeled (no big deal.)
It is more difficult/dangerous to trap off the wings. They raise the center
of gravity of the boat. The last one is probably the most significant. You
can keep the boat flatter because you are farther out; but as the heeling
angle increases, the righting moment decreases faster than if one's weight
is lower (as it would be from the side of the boat.)