Ethenol
Eisboch
(From Hemmings Motor News)
Environmental lawsuits block ethanol expansion
So let’s get this straight: Ethanol is supposed to be the gasoline
replacement that eases our oil imports and pays a dividend for the American
farmer, while at the same time yielding environmental benefits from a
cleaner, renewable fuel, right? So why are environmental groups around the
country suing to halt construction of ethanol-producing facilities? If you
haven’t learned by now that things that sound too good to be true are too
good to be true, I’d like to talk about how you can make millions selling
real estate without a single dollar down... but that’s another matter.
Now that the bloom is off the corn fuel, er, flower, some hard truths are
emerging. By now, you probably know about speculation and wild fluctuations
in grain futures, about pork-barrel projects, and about questions of how
much energy goes into ethanol production in the first place. What you may
not have heard about is the strain that the 140 or so existing ethanol
plants place on local infrastructure.
When US Envirofuels began the permitting process for Florida’s first ethanol
plant in Tampa, the city put their plans on hold when it emerged that the
facility would require 400,000 gallons of water per day to operate — far
more than the drought-stricken municipality can safely supply.
Tampa shouldn’t have been surprised, though. In Missouri, Gulfstream Bioflex
Energy’s plans to build a plant near Fordlands has run into a lawsuit by the
local Citizens for Groundwater Protection, over Gulfstream’s plans to draw
over 1.3 million gallons a day from the depleted Ozark aquifer. Missouri
water rights currently allow anyone to use as much as they desire.
Similar legal battles are being fought in Minnesota, Iowa, Nebraska, Kansas
and Illinois. “Green,” it turns out, is a matter of perspective.
- By David Traver Adolphus
Eisboch
BAR
Short Wave Sportfishing
>> Now that the bloom is off the corn fuel, er, flower, some hard truths are
>> emerging. By now, you probably know about speculation and wild fluctuations
>> in grain futures, about pork-barrel projects, and about questions of how
>> much energy goes into ethanol production in the first place. What you may
>> not have heard about is the strain that the 140 or so existing ethanol
>> plants place on local infrastructure.
It's called the Law of Unintended Consequences.
I blame Al Gore.
And Canada.
Just because I can.
JoeSpareBedroom
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> On Thu, 6 Mar 2008 18:14:50 -0500, "Eisboch" <r...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>>Environmental lawsuits block ethanol expansion
>
>
> companies who are as nasty as oil companies in the grand scheme of
> things. When did burning food in you car ever sound like a good thing
> and we are going to run out of water long before we run out of oil
> anyway.
It's worse than you think:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21491206/
Now the bright spot in the brewing industry is facing mounting costs on
nearly every front. Fuel, aluminum and glass prices have been going up
quickly over a period of several years. Barley and wheat prices have
skyrocketed as more farmers plant corn to meet increasing demand for
ethanol, while others plant feed crops to replace acres lost to corn.
A decade-long oversupply of hops that had forced farmers to abandon the crop
is finally gone and harvests were down this year. In the United States,
where one-fourth of the world's hops are grown, acreage fell 30 percent
between 1995 and 2006.
Tim
sa...@dog.com wrote:
> The bottom line cause for all of these problems is that there are too
> many people on the planet. Get the birthrate down well below the death
> rate and after a while ALL of these problems will be nothing but a
> memory.
Well China has been trying to do that for years and I don'tt hink it's
working very well.
thu...@takeoutgti.net
Maybe not "very well", but enough that China's population is expected to
peak in 2030, then slowly start to drop. India, on the other hand, is
expected to overtake China, as the world's most populated country, by
2040.
John H.
By then we'll be a colony of Mexico with the highest birth rate in the
world. If Hillary is going to give all that free stuff away, we'll soon be
the most populous also.
--
John H
Don White
"John H." <jherringnu...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> By then we'll be a colony of Mexico with the highest birth rate in the
> world. If Hillary is going to give all that free stuff away, we'll soon be
> the most populous also.
> --
> John H
My my... you really have a hate on for those little brown guys...eh?
JoeSpareBedroom
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He's just saying what he was instructed to. He can't help it.
Short Wave Sportfising
>The bottom line cause for all of these problems is that there are too
>many people on the planet. Get the birthrate down well below the death
>rate and after a while ALL of these problems will be nothing but a
>memory.
John H.
Doesn't seem to be working.
--
John H
John H.
<em...@swsportsremove.org> wrote:
BTW, the golfer you mentioned yesterday was on the Golf Channel a while
ago. He said he was just aiming for the tree, hoping to hit a branch and
scare the hawk away. Right.
I never have a problem hitting trees.
--
John H
John H.
JoeSpareBedroom
.
HK
Yeah, he does, and he's stated it several times in this newsgroup. I
doubt he learned that in the army, though, since it welcomes people of
color. Maybe that's why he got out...too many of those brown and black
guys, and probably women, too.
He's a racist pig. He had lovely things to say about the mostly black
kids in the high school where he was a sub teacher.
HK
> .
Sorry:
John H.
Attack mode, Harry?
Where's the new thread?
--
***** Hope your day is a little better than decent! *****
John H
John H.
Harry, did you by any chance read Don's post?
He implies I'm bigoted as he refers to Mexicans as 'little brown guys'.
I suppose that escaped your attention.
As to your comment, there are multiple reasons so many here call you a
'liar'.
HK
Why would it take a new thread to point out your racism and hatred of
people of color? This is just a continuation of the thread you tried to
cancel out with your dot.
HK
You are a bigot. You've implied that here for years in what you thought
was a subtle way.
DK
They work harder than your son 'eh?
John H.
Hypocritical
Like Tom, Harry, I've had enough of you.
You're not just a liar, you're a laughably, hypocritical liar.
HK
It's hypocritical to point out your long-held hatred of Latinos and blacks?
JimH
"HK" <payer...@mypacks.net> wrote in message
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Sorry to post through you Harry but John lives in another world on my
computer.
John Herring.....a man would have said..."Harry, I've had enough of you."
You said........"Like Tom, Harry, I've had enough of you."
No need to bring Tom into this unless you need to hide behind his apron
strings.
Quite telling if I say so.
HK
No problem for me. Herring is a dried up old racist f*rt.
Don White
"JimH" <as...@nope.com> wrote in message
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snip..>
> No need to bring Tom into this unless you need to hide behind his apron
> strings.
>
Tom wears an apron??
Say it ain't so!
Charlie
> No need to bring Tom into this unless you need to hide behind his apron
> strings.
We're sorry. Tom is no longer a 'responsible conservative'. His apron
has been stripped off.
-- Charlie
John H.
wrote:
Tom's comment about JimH was spot on, so JimH perks his ears up whenever he
sees the name.
I do have an extra apron laying around, if Tom needs it.
Of course, it's got a Tobasco Sauce logo on the front, but who cares.
HK
Shouldn't you be busy trashing Latinos and blacks?