Flying Scots
Larry_...@transarc.com
I'm considering buying a Flying Scot to race in a local fleet. Does
anyone have re/discommendation on this boat? Does anyone within a few
hundred miles of Pittsburgh have one for sale?
Thanks,
-Larry Jacobs
l...@transarc.com
hartman peter edward
>Thanks,
>-Larry Jacobs
>l...@transarc.com
I have sailed Flying scots for 12 years, the first eight in "Blue Eyes" ands the
last for in the "Stealth" I have raced them alot, and have won a little. Scots
are fast durable boats that are easily rigged and handled, they do not
require an enourmous amount of maintenance. Even though they are two person
boats, they can easily be handled singlehandedly by a competant sailor.
So that's my $.00000002 or so. Also, at this time I would like to plug my
favorite regatta held around here: the "Glow in the Dark Regatta." It is held
at Clinton Lake in Illinois, sometime around the end of september.
RobertT192
peter edward) writes:
I have sailed a Flying Scot on Barnegat
Bay for 5 years. I am not a serious racer, but do so occasionally. It is a
great boat. Stable, easily rigged, expensive to buy, but easy to maintain, and
it holds its' value. You can't go wrong with a
Flying Scot. Do it.
zka...@nap.amoco.com
I grew up on Scots, and, although I currently don't own one, they are my
favorite all-around boat. They are raced competitively with 2-3, day sailed
with as many as 8, easily rigged, maintained, and re-sold. They can be single-
handed with either just the main or sloop rigged. While they are not the
fastest boat out there, they do move quite well. They are also extremely
stable, being virtually impossible to capsize. If they do, they are self-
rescuing, even when swamped. They are unsinkable as long as the boat
remains intact.
When my father bought his first and his second, there was no way anyone could
purchase a used one. This was back in the mid-70's. Today they can be found,
with a bit of patience and luck.
There were 2 manufacturer's: Douglas in Maryland (?) and Customflex in Toledo.
Customflex has since gone out of business, but I think the molds have been
sold to another builder. I know nothing about the Douglas boats, except that
I believe they came stock with marine bottom paint. However, the Customflex
boats had a certain design that was excellent as long as it was water-tight.
They laid balsa in a fiberglass resin sandwich in the bow and stern deck
sections. Look these over very carefully. A pinhole leak causes significant
rotting in the balsa, and this creates instability in the deck wherever
these pinholes are if water gets in. Take a flashlight and crawl into the
fore- and after-peak sections, looking up. You can easily see the balsa and
can determine if it is rotting just by a visual inspection. If it is,
don't buy the boat as you'll eventually (1-2years) need a new deck.
The other thing about the Scots is that they are a fairly tightly controlled
one-design class, and as such maintian a relatively high re-sale value. If
your club has an active fleet, they are a good investment. Enjoy!
--Sailing Fool
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charles.gerlach
>In article <khfSJkOSM...@transarc.com>, Larry_...@transarc.com writes:
>>
>>I'm considering buying a Flying Scot to race in a local fleet. Does
>
>fastest boat out there, they do move quite well. They are also extremely
>stable, being virtually impossible to capsize. If they do, they are self-
>rescuing, even when swamped. They are unsinkable as long as the boat
>remains intact.
>
you can capsize a Scot. Over the last 2 years I know of 5 boats that went
over, including my own. This is out of approximately 50 club races of 14
boats, and several regattas, each with 30+ boats. In all cases, the conditions
were perfect for a swim. Days with 20+ gusty, shifty winds and strong
desires to win. In my case, I was working hard at being stupid. I think
the Scot just decided it had enough of my foolishness and wanted to teach
me a lesson. To get back to the main point, IMHO Scots are stable. But
they can and do capsize.
>There were 2 manufacturer's: Douglas in Maryland (?) and Customflex in Toledo.
Maryland and their phone number is 301-334-4848. They are extremely
helpful. If you are at all interested in getting a Scot, I highly recommend
calling them. Customflex was a licensee of Douglas. Gordon Douglas
kept control of the Flying Scot by strictly controlling manufacturing
and by being a strong force in the class association.
Chuck Gerlach
FS#1487
AT&T/GIS Naperville, IL
Charles...@NapervilleIl.NCR.COM
hartman peter edward
>
calling them. Customflex was a licensee of Douglas. Gordon Douglas
>kept control of the Flying Scot by strictly controlling manufacturing
>and by being a strong force in the class association.
Not to mention, Sir Douglas is one hell of a nice guy.
Peter Hartman
David M. Coleman
Scots for over 15 years and love the boat. We have a fleet of 16 or so at
the Detroit Yacht Club and I also own a private one I keep on a lake in
northern Minnesota.
I've 'been over' three times (once while instructing, twice while
crewing in a race) and ran our safety/rescue/tow boat for 3 or 4 years.
The MOST vulnerable situation for a Scot is on a run when someone forgets
to bring the centerboard (all the way) up. A strong wind shift can bring
you over in a real hurry.
Getting it back up *can* be a challenge. Club procedure is for one
crew member to swim to the mast and tie a life jacket to it to keep it from
turtle-ing while another crew stands (if possible) on the centerboard.
Usually then it's no problem to right the vessel. IF it turtles it's a
much much bigger problem which requires a powerful powerboat and can result
in bent spars.
I agree that the Scot is generally very stable ... but it will let you
know when you've been too aggressive (or stupid). d
In article <CoGM9...@cbnewsd.cb.att.com>, ca...@cbnewsd.cb.att.com
Joseph Samson
>Customflex has since gone out of business, but I think the molds have been
>sold to another builder. I know nothing about the Douglas boats, except that
>I believe they came stock with marine bottom paint. However, the Customflex
>boats had a certain design that was excellent as long as it was water-tight.
>They laid balsa in a fiberglass resin sandwich in the bow and stern deck
>sections. Look these over very carefully. A pinhole leak causes significant
>rotting in the balsa, and this creates instability in the deck wherever
>these pinholes are if water gets in. Take a flashlight and crawl into the
>fore- and after-peak sections, looking up. You can easily see the balsa and
>can determine if it is rotting just by a visual inspection. If it is,
>don't buy the boat as you'll eventually (1-2years) need a new deck.
We see a fair amount of Customflex Flying Scots in Southeastern Michigan, and
there's really no difference between the Douglas and Customflex Scots. Both
have the balsa cored deck.
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Joe Samson
FS 1925
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Albion H. Bowers
In a previous article, sam...@ptd10a.erim.org (Joseph Samson) says:
>>There were 2 manufacturer's: Douglas in Maryland (?) and Customflex in Toledo.
>We see a fair amount of Customflex Flying Scots in Southeastern Michigan, and
>there's really no difference between the Douglas and Customflex Scots. Both
>have the balsa cored deck.
I've always thought that Gordon Douglas was trying to put Sparkman/Stephens
Lightning out of business. Look at his designs: Thistle, flying Scot, and
Highlander.
And staying a strong force in the class is the _best_ way to maintain
control. Frank Bethwaite is _still_ the owner of the design of the Tasar.
It is in the class rules as such. Does Kirby still do the same for the
Laser? I know that the Hobie Cat _Company_ owns the rights to the Hobie
design...
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"...tactics always degrade strategy..." -Frank Bethwaite