Bayliner Questions - 2355 Ciera Sunbridge
C. David Alonzi
changes her mind!!!!
I am very interested in hearing from any owners of Bayliner Ciera 2355
Sunbridge. I am in the Rochester NY area and have found a dealer with
one in stock. I'd like to hear from other users, buyers, etc. about this
boat. Is the 5L V8 - 220hp large enough, or should i buck up and order
the boat with a 5.7L EFI V8?
How does the fit and finish of the boat hold up? And all of the other
questions a new boat buyer may want to know....
Thanks in advance for any comments on this or if you have an opinion on
a similar craft....
Dave Alonzi
RGrew176
I would definitely opt for the 5.7. Both the 5.0 and the 5.7 weigh the same. If
it is the carb'd version of the 5.7 it is 250 HP if the EFI version 260 HP.
Reasons for doing so are obvious. You will get 30 to 40 more HP at no
additional weight. Plus the added torque of the 5.7. What outdrive does this
boat come with? If it is the Bravo III you will love it. The 2355 is a nice
boat and it will allow you to go most places. What and where are its intended
uses as that will be an important factor in the purchase decision. I have owned
5 Bayliners and have had no complaints with any of them. The boats they are
building currently are the best in their history IMO. Good luck and safe
boating. Hope the significant other does not change her mind. Promise her a
moonlight cruise as soon as you feel competent to do so.
ri...@dgii.com
dal...@spectracomcorp.com wrote:
> I am very interested in hearing from any owners of Bayliner Ciera 2355
> Sunbridge. I am in the Rochester NY area and have found a dealer with
> one in stock. I'd like to hear from other users, buyers, etc. about
this
> boat. Is the 5L V8 - 220hp large enough, or should i buck up and order
> the boat with a 5.7L EFI V8?
>
> How does the fit and finish of the boat hold up? And all of the other
> questions a new boat buyer may want to know....
We bought a new 1995 Bayliner 2355 Ciera in 1996 for $22,000.
The dealer dropped it in the water for the shakedown cruise
and it promptly blew a power steering hose. Got the boat
back a day later.
Third day out, the boat left us stranded when a bolt or something
sheered off the coupling between the engine and the outdrive,
leaving the engine running but the outdrive disconnected from
the drive shaft.
Dealer said "that never happens". Dealer installed new outdrive,
got boat back a couple days later. Threw in an extra battery and
battery switch for my trouble (wife was *very* unhappy about
getting stranded with a 9 mo. old on board).
About three weeks later the refrigerator stops getting cold.
Pulled that out myself - wasn't going miss another day of boating.
About a week after that I get pulled over by the Sheriffs Water
Patrol - bow light is out. Next day I get the bow light (not
lamp) replaced - unit was defective.
Throttle handle was recalled for possibly getting "stuck" and
causing crashes.
Since then, not too many problems. The cap on the cheap plastic
Perko bow pipe cracked off last year. A few hairline cracks in the
fiberglass above the instruments. No trouble with the plumbing,
stove, water heater, shower, or head. Windshield wiper is just
for show - does not wipe enough of the windshield to actually
be useful. Plan on removing it to improve your vision in good
weather and stand up to see in bad weather.
Boat will go about 39-41 MPH on glass water with a tailwind and
the 5.0 L. We rarely get to go that fast on Lake Minnetonka
where it is docked since the chop gets pretty bad these days.
The liberals running the LMCD let too many non-locals trailer
in their boats.
Boat has severe oversteer at low speeds - not fun at all to
drive unless you are up on a plane, which it does at about 20 MPH.
Boat just pushes a wall of water around at any speed between about
5 MPH and 20 MPH. No fun to drive at those speeds, either.
You defintely need to learn to use the trim tabs to get the boat
out of the water quickly. Its pretty much a tub.
Fore and aft cabin layouts are the roomiest I've seen in a 23' boat
and excellent for young children. We just park them down there.
But the compromise is that the deck layout stinks for adults.
We can hardly complain about what we got for $22,000. But next time
I'm pissing away the extra $10K and getting SeaRay or ChrisCraft
quality.
Of course, next time I'll probably also have to pony up another
$10K or more and get a few more feet, too. :-)
-Rick
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MadCow57
That, and a marine head. Does this 2355 have a porta pottie? She's not going
to like that, so if it has one, make sure she understands this in advance.
Arranger1
Rob
Harry Krause
Gee, didn't you know you aren't allowed to post experiential anecdotes about
Bayliners that are not full of praise?
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Harry Krause
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Why are there flotation devices under plane seats, instead of parachutes?
Osrick
>Bayliners that are not full of praise?
>--
Harry
Please note that this guy actually owns a Bayliner, there are some specifics
here, the tone is reasonable and literate.
This is not a bash.
Rick
Harry Krause
Oh, come on. Plenty of knowledgeable boaters who don't own Bayliners have
posted specific information about them that is both reasonable and literate,
both positive and negative. You don't have to own something to have an
informed opinion about it.
--
Harry Krause
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If puns are outlawed, only outlaws will have puns.
Gary W. Sandvik
But Harry your informed opinion always has a tone that hurts the ears! There
are ways to present information without causing someone to jump on the
defensive then offense. Not to say that some of your information is invalid
but just in the presentation methods.
--
Regards and God Speed,
Gary
Gary W. Sandvik
garyws...@att.net
309-676-0224 (fax)
Harry Krause <hkr...@erols.com> wrote in message
news:3753B629...@erols.com...
Harry Krause
I've presented the material we're referencing several different ways,
including with the uppermost in sensitivity and politeness.
I guess I'm more critical than most. I'd prefer to hear from someone who
didn't buy Model X of Brand Y and who can articulate his/her reasons.
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Harry Krause
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He does the work of three men: Larry, Moe and Curly.
Gary W. Sandvik
Harry, it is just that sometimes your tone varies and some people take it
the wrong way. I'm not saying what you present is not correct, just the
manner. The written word can sometimes be deceiving. Especially to people
from different walks of life or regions.
I do agree that an objective view of something is important and can be
biased if someone has a vested interest. Data or technical information can
be misleading to an untrained eye but one must take everything into account
when making a statement about a product. Some people cannot afford to buy
the best product available but must settle for what they can afford to live
within the means. I've had a Bayliner in the past but think I would not
purchase another but my reasons are that I've move to a different class of
boat.
--
Regards and God Speed,
Gary
Gary W. Sandvik
garyws...@att.net
309-676-0224 (fax)
Harry Krause <hkr...@erols.com> wrote in message
news:3753D822...@erols.com...
Skipper
> I've never owned a boat with an I/O and have no experience with them.
And then he wrote the next day:
> Oh, come on. Plenty of knowledgeable boaters who don't own Bayliners have
> posted specific information about them that is both reasonable and literate,
> both positive and negative. You don't have to own something to have an
> informed opinion about it.
Plausible? Well, yes. Literate? Well, OK again. However, reasonable,
balanced, and accurate have not been part of your Bayliner act Mr.
Krause. While your more recent Bayliner comments are far more moderated
than those of the past, you are still a Bayliner basher. Suggest you
restrict your rec.boats navigation to more familiar waters.
Bayliners are very affordable boats offering great value and they
maintain a higher percentage of their cost at resale than most of their
competitors. They do a great job of meeting real customer needs. Why
don't you just admit these truths? We can then move on to finding you a
proper boat.
--
Skipper
Jeff
Sheesh. I thought all this time you spent away from this NG would
have soothed your soul, Skip. Apparently not. You are back in true
form.
Where have you been lately?
Jeff
Sorry, but email address disguised due to unscrupulous spammers. Please respond in Usenet.
Louie Kokinis
>Plausible? Well, yes. Literate? Well, OK again. However, reasonable,
>balanced, and accurate have not been part of your Bayliner act Mr.
>Krause. While your more recent Bayliner comments are far more moderated
>than those of the past, you are still a Bayliner basher. Suggest you
>restrict your rec.boats navigation to more familiar waters.
Skip, we all have our opinions. Did I log on to "don't bash the
Bayliners.rec.boats" or is this your grand entrance?
PS the NG entertainment value hasn't been the same without you.
Harry Krause
>
> Harry Krause wrote on 5/31/99:
>
> > I've never owned a boat with an I/O and have no experience with them.
>
> And then he wrote the next day:
>
> > Oh, come on. Plenty of knowledgeable boaters who don't own Bayliners have
> > posted specific information about them that is both reasonable and literate,
> > both positive and negative. You don't have to own something to have an
> > informed opinion about it.
>
> balanced, and accurate have not been part of your Bayliner act Mr.
> Krause. While your more recent Bayliner comments are far more moderated
> than those of the past, you are still a Bayliner basher. Suggest you
> restrict your rec.boats navigation to more familiar waters.
>
> maintain a higher percentage of their cost at resale than most of their
> competitors. They do a great job of meeting real customer needs. Why
> don't you just admit these truths? We can then move on to finding you a
> proper boat.
>
> --
> Skipper
Ahh, I see J'H has emerged from psychotherapy and is back in his Skippy
identity.
Still just as pooched between the ears, though.
You need an insurance plan with more visits, fella.
--
Harry Krause
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Some people are alive only because it's illegal to kill.
MadCow57
Harry Krause
>
> Hi,
>
> the wrong way. I'm not saying what you present is not correct, just the
> manner. The written word can sometimes be deceiving. Especially to people
> from different walks of life or regions.
>
> I do agree that an objective view of something is important and can be
> biased if someone has a vested interest. Data or technical information can
> be misleading to an untrained eye but one must take everything into account
> when making a statement about a product. Some people cannot afford to buy
> the best product available but must settle for what they can afford to live
> within the means. I've had a Bayliner in the past but think I would not
> purchase another but my reasons are that I've move to a different class of
> boat.
> --
> Regards and God Speed,
>
> Gary
Gary, I've perhaps posted 500 times that I believe the larger Bayliner boats
are better boats, quality wise, then the smaller Bayliner boats. That's
about as far as I would go. I really don't consider "price" the be all and
end all of issues on buying production boats. There are plenty of widely
different boats offering widely different quality at widely different price
points.
As an example, I've been looking at a couple of Parker Boats, specifically
25 footers and one 28 footer. Parkers are not very expensive boats, but they
appear to be built extremely sturdy and solid. Their fit is fine, their
finish is fine, in terms of materials and how they are joined, but they
certainly are not gold-platers. I've also looked at a couple of larger
Regulators that are much more expensive than the Parkers, where the fit and
finish is about as good as you are going to find in small boats. These boats
serve the same purpose, as reasonable offshore fishing boats, and either
brand would suit me just fine. I'd not have the slightest concern about
either brand falling apart under me, nor would I be concerned about
"breakage" from hard use. The Regulator is simply "flashier," in a positive,
shippy kind of way.
On the other hand, there are brands of boats around the same size as these
two brands that are approximately the same price as the Parker but are
lightly made of second-rate materials by third-rate assemblers. That is
different, by the way, from lightly made of superior materials by superior
craftworkers, such as the products of Contender.
Virtually every shortcoming I have pointed out regarding Bayliner boats has
been borne out by *actual owners* who have posted some of their experiences
here. Market acceptance has said that Bayliners are OK for their price;
there is nothing wrong with that. But they are no better than their price.
Whereas, there are plenty of brands that *are* better than their price, for
tangible or intangible reasons.
Harry Krause
>
> One cow, standing aside while Skipper and Harry piss on each other.
Naw. Just welcoming J'H back from his shrink's...
Back he goes in the "d.f." filter...
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Harry Krause
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Serving coffee on an aircraft causes turbulence.
Osrick
it as we can.
Rick
>Subject: Re: Bayliner Questions - 2355 Ciera Sunbridge
>From: Harry Krause <hkr...@erols.com>
>Date: 6/1/99 4:02 PM Pacific Daylight Time
>Message-id: <3754667B...@erols.com>
>--
>
>Harry Krause
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Timothy Dowd
bayliner is a piece of shit..!!!
A proverbial hole in the water. I have many regrets and have learned
some hard lessons with the boat I made payments on and now own...whoopty
doo...The irony for me is I have been operating vessels for the US Navy
for over 20 years as a First class Boatswains Mate... everything from
punts, jonboats, PBR's PB's LCPL's various coastal patrol craft, landing
craft, torpedo retrievers, experimental submersible recovery platforms,
boats spanning commercial civilian craft with the final one culminating
in 135' LCU Landing Craft utility...180 ton 10 man crew. I finally
bought a boat for the sheer fun of it i.e. 20' Capri bowrider I/O after
(at that time 15 years of craftmaster duties on vessels whose primary
function was the "mission" not alot on pleasantries or amenities) just
big sturdy diesel boats that could survive anything). Anyway my
bayliner has had the engine rebulit twice since 1990, stern drive
overhauled twice numerous cooling system problems
to many incidental small equip probs. The boat was operated mostly in
the salt which is one exception Ill give but overall the thing was a
total lemon. The first engine threw a rod with 200 hrs.. still had 2
1/2 yr of payments... almost went to court with OMC. Next time Im
upgrading to a superior boat...that is worthy of what myself and my
compadres are capable of doing with it....
Skipper
> Well guys you are all so polite however I must enter the fray. My bayliner
> bought a boat for the sheer fun of it i.e. 20' Capri bowrider I/O ... Anyway
> my bayliner has had the engine rebulit twice since 1990, stern drive
> overhauled twice numerous cooling system problems to many incidental small
> equip probs. The boat was operated mostly in the salt which is one
> exception Ill give but overall the thing was a total lemon. The first
> engine threw a rod with 200 hrs.. still had 2 1/2 yr of payments... almost
> went to court with OMC.
Your bitch seems to be with OMC, and not Bayliner or the MerCruiser I/Os
they use today. So why don't you sell that bowrider POS and get a 2052?
--
Skipper
Jeff
wrote:
>Well guys you are all so polite however I must enter the fray. My
>bayliner is a piece of shit..!!!
>A proverbial hole in the water. I have many regrets and have learned
>some hard lessons with the boat I made payments on and now own...whoopty
>doo...The irony for me is I have been operating vessels for the US Navy
>for over 20 years as a First class Boatswains Mate... everything from
>punts, jonboats, PBR's PB's LCPL's various coastal patrol craft, landing
>craft, torpedo retrievers, experimental submersible recovery platforms,
>boats spanning commercial civilian craft with the final one culminating
>in 135' LCU Landing Craft utility...180 ton 10 man crew. I finally
>bought a boat for the sheer fun of it i.e. 20' Capri bowrider I/O after
>(at that time 15 years of craftmaster duties on vessels whose primary
>function was the "mission" not alot on pleasantries or amenities) just
>big sturdy diesel boats that could survive anything). Anyway my
>bayliner has had the engine rebulit twice since 1990, stern drive
>overhauled twice numerous cooling system problems
> to many incidental small equip probs. The boat was operated mostly in
>the salt which is one exception Ill give but overall the thing was a
>total lemon. The first engine threw a rod with 200 hrs.. still had 2
>1/2 yr of payments... almost went to court with OMC. Next time Im
>upgrading to a superior boat...that is worthy of what myself and my
>compadres are capable of doing with it....
>
It sounds like you should direct your anguish more towards OMC and
less towards Bayliner. Did you have any hull-related problems that
are can be attributed to Bayliner, or just the said engine problems?
Skipper
> Ahh, I see J'H has emerged from psychotherapy and is back in his Skippy
> identity. Still just as pooched between the ears, though. You need an
> insurance plan with more visits, fella.
Who is J'H? Ran a Deja search and came up dry for posting history.
--
Skipper
Harry Krause
Oh, just some multiple handle poseur. I hope you've been out boating
somewhere.
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Harry Krause
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Old physics teachers never die - they just cancel out.
Timothy Dowd
directed to the engine manufacturer. I believe much of the probs would
have been avoided had I gotten a model with a Merc. ( the year I bought
it the Mercs were not yet installed.) But I also can sense the
weakening of the hull and the stability of the vessel while planing. As
most of you probably know Bayliner has a 5 year warranty on its hulls
and I think I know why. You can just feel the difference. It used to
feel rock soild for the first year or two. It was never subjected to
any harsh sea conditions. But the seaworthiness the trim of the boat
has changed. I compared it too my past experience with some modified
Boston Whalers that we used to operate. Before the started making
special use boats fot the USN we used to cut away sections of the hulls
freeboard to allow marine mammals or navy frogs to jump over the side at
the waters surface level. It was a rare opportunity to see the actual
architecture of the hull material. That was back when Boston Whaler had
that commercial where they cut the boat in half...hehhe. Its true.!!!
That sucker was solid as hell for a plastic boat. I guess thats what I
compare it too when I see the thinner less solid hull in the bayliner.
It has its good points like less $$$. in fact Im even now considering
getting another one but next time around I plan on trading it in or
selling it before it starts having the type of probs that my current one
experienced. Oh well thanks for the points of view...
Paul Rucker
just bought a 1998 last summer 2452 Ciera Express, I wouldn't own any other
brand.
junebug...@gmail.com
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John H.
>How do u trun on frig stove and the shower
stove-alcohol/electric-should be a switch.
shower-switch for hot water heater/fill fresh water tank/switch for water pump/turn
shower valve
Find 'accessory' switch, check fuses. Some of this may require shore power, like hot
water heater.
--
Ban idiots, not guns!
Justan Olphart
waynebatr...@hotmail.com
wrote:
An alcohol stove will require more than a switch. First you need a
fire extinguisher. I had almost forgotten about the evil things until
you brought it up. What a hazzard they were.
Tim
waynebatr...@hotmail.com
wrote:
>Alcohol stoves. Are those fueled by the jelly in a can?
Alcohol jelly in a can is called sterno, sometimes used to keep food
trays warm in a buffet. I've never seen it used to cook on a boat but
I suppose it might be possible.
The traditional alcohol boat stove was pressurized like a Coleman
camping stove. Most of them were made by a company called Kenyon. You
started by pumping up pressure in the tank. Then you'd crack open the
valve a little bit to fill the priming bowl around the burner jet.
Next you'd light the liquid alcohol in the priming bowl and stand
back. The alcohol would flare up and heat the burner jet while it was
scaring everyone around and setting the curtains on fire. When the
jet was hot enough it would act like a carburetor and vaporize the
alcohol when you re-opened the valve. At that point you could light
it and start cooking if you hadn't yet set the boat on fire or singed
your eye brows. Both were relatively common occurrences.
In later years a company called Origo invented a non-pressurized
alcohol stove that was considerably safer but the burners only held a
limited amount of fuel so you'd often run out while cooking.
The whole rationale for using alcohol was that you could put out a
fire by throwing water on it. If you do that with gasoline or
kerosene it spreads the fire. Alcohol had a big hazzard however in
that it burns with a nearly invisible flame, right up until the
curtains or your clothing caught on fire. It also has a much cooler
flame than propane or Coleman fuel so it takes forever to cook a meal.
When we bought our 2nd cruising sailboat in the early 80s, I
immediately replaced the alcohol stove with compressed natural gas.
Tim
John H.
John H.
Justan Olphart
waynebatr...@hotmail.com
wrote:
That's one of them. See my reply to Tim's post.
