Is this possible?
jps
This is hard to believe so many are unwilling to believe but I suppose
it's possible...
When Doug Hoffman blamed ACORN for his loss in the NY-23 special House
election, he was apparently channeling the GOP base. A new Public
Policy Polling survey found that a majority of Republican voters think
that ACORN stole the presidential election for Barack Obama last year.
Fifty-two percent of national GOPers said ACORN stole Obama the
presidency; only 27% think he won it legitimately.
Overall, 62% of Americans think Obama legitimately won the election.
Only 26% think ACORN stole it for him, with most Democrats and
independents dismissing the idea.
TPM's Eric Kleefeld points out that, given the 53% to 46% divide
between Obama and Sen. John McCain in the 2008 race, "in order to
believe that Obama wasn't the true winner of the 2008 election, one
would have to think that ACORN (and perhaps other groups) stuffed
ballots to the tune of over 9.5 million votes."
Dave Weigel writes that this idea has been circulating among
conservatives for a while.
Frogwatch
OK. lets look at this. Several precincts reported zero votes for
Hoffman but checking after his concession revealed he had numerous
votes in them. Sure sounds suspicious to me. The reported totals on
election night on which he based his concession turned out to be
wildly wrong, seems kinda suspicious to me. ACORN has been involved
in vote fraud all across the USA so ti seems like a reasonable
conjecture considering the circumstances.
jps
You are such a liar. Acorn doesn't fill out ballots, they register
people to vote.
Where the hell do you get your information, Worldnet Daily?
Please go to your local Acorn office and inquire. You're a poorly
informed citizen and I think you need to pick up your game.
Frogwatch
Fraud still. They were prosecuted in FL They were found guilty of
fraud In MS and in Missouri.
jps needs to follow the news, even the lamestream media covered the
frauds of ACORN.
Frogwatch
jps
WERE THERE ANY FRAUDULENT VOTES CAST?
Yes, I'm yelling.
NowNow
@p35g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>, ohar...@mindspring.com says...
>
> On Nov 20, 12:57ï¿œpm, jps <tr...@thedump.com> wrote:
> > On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 09:33:57 -0800 (PST), Frogwatch
> >
> >
> >
> > <ohara...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> > >> This is hard to believe so many are unwilling to believe but I suppose
> > >> it's possible...
> >
> > >> When Doug Hoffman blamed ACORN for his loss in the NY-23 special House
> > >> election, he was apparently channeling the GOP base. A new Public
> > >> Policy Polling survey found that a majority of Republican voters think
> > >> that ACORN stole the presidential election for Barack Obama last year.
> > >> Fifty-two percent of national GOPers said ACORN stole Obama the
> > >> presidency; only 27% think he won it legitimately.
> >
> > >> Overall, 62% of Americans think Obama legitimately won the election.
> > >> Only 26% think ACORN stole it for him, with most Democrats and
> > >> independents dismissing the idea.
> >
> > >> TPM's Eric Kleefeld points out that, given the 53% to 46% divide
> > >> between Obama and Sen. John McCain in the 2008 race, "in order to
> > >> believe that Obama wasn't the true winner of the 2008 election, one
> > >> would have to think that ACORN (and perhaps other groups) stuffed
> > >> ballots to the tune of over 9.5 million votes."
> >
> > >> Dave Weigel writes that this idea has been circulating among
> > >> conservatives for a while.
> >
> > >Hoffman but checking after his concession revealed he had numerous
> > >election night on which he based his concession turned out to be
> > >in vote fraud all across the USA so ti seems like a reasonable
> > >conjecture considering the circumstances.
> >
> > people to vote.
> >
> > Where the hell do you get your information, Worldnet Daily?
> >
> > informed citizen and I think you need to pick up your game.
>
> Fraud still. They were prosecuted in FL They were found guilty of
> fraud In MS and in Missouri.
> jps needs to follow the news, even the lamestream media covered the
> frauds of ACORN.
So....if a company or concern is found guilty of something somewhere
then they are guilty everywhere???
--
WAFA the newsgroup liar free!
Frogwatch
> In article <6879ae0c-c216-4d42-bd6a-02bb741bc370
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Nov 20, 12:57 pm, jps <tr...@thedump.com> wrote:
> > > On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 09:33:57 -0800 (PST), Frogwatch
>
> > > <ohara...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> > > >> This is hard to believe so many are unwilling to believe but I suppose
> > > >> it's possible...
>
> > > >> When Doug Hoffman blamed ACORN for his loss in the NY-23 special House
> > > >> election, he was apparently channeling the GOP base. A new Public
> > > >> Policy Polling survey found that a majority of Republican voters think
> > > >> that ACORN stole the presidential election for Barack Obama last year.
> > > >> Fifty-two percent of national GOPers said ACORN stole Obama the
> > > >> presidency; only 27% think he won it legitimately.
>
> > > >> Overall, 62% of Americans think Obama legitimately won the election.
> > > >> Only 26% think ACORN stole it for him, with most Democrats and
> > > >> independents dismissing the idea.
>
> > > >> TPM's Eric Kleefeld points out that, given the 53% to 46% divide
> > > >> between Obama and Sen. John McCain in the 2008 race, "in order to
> > > >> believe that Obama wasn't the true winner of the 2008 election, one
> > > >> would have to think that ACORN (and perhaps other groups) stuffed
> > > >> ballots to the tune of over 9.5 million votes."
>
> > > >> Dave Weigel writes that this idea has been circulating among
> > > >> conservatives for a while.
>
> > > >Hoffman but checking after his concession revealed he had numerous
> > > >election night on which he based his concession turned out to be
> > > >in vote fraud all across the USA so ti seems like a reasonable
> > > >conjecture considering the circumstances.
>
> > > people to vote.
>
> > > Where the hell do you get your information, Worldnet Daily?
>
> > > informed citizen and I think you need to pick up your game.
>
> > Fraud still. They were prosecuted in FL They were found guilty of
> > fraud In MS and in Missouri.
> > jps needs to follow the news, even the lamestream media covered the
> > frauds of ACORN.
>
> So....if a company or concern is found guilty of something somewhere
> then they are guilty everywhere???
>
> --
> WAFA the newsgroup liar free!
1. ACORN has committed fraud all across the USA
2. Several suspicious things happened in this election
Drawing a possible link is perfectly reasonable and you'd be foolish
not to consider it.
jps
I'm not considering whether Acorn could have affected any election
outcome other than through legitimate voter registration.
There's no case to be made that Acorn submitted or manipulated actual
votes. Their workers may have submitted fraudulent registrations in
order to get paid but those don't result in votes. If you read the
news, you know that. Mickey Mouse doesn't vote.
What I'm considering is that such a large percentage of our population
could be under the impression that Acorn was even capable of affecting
the outcome of an election or that Obama isn't the President through
fair election.
Fucking unbelievable. Fruitcakes who either can't stand blacks,
extreme case of sour grapes for having lost or some form of instanity.
nom=de=plume
news:7219f111-edb6-4342...@s15g2000yqs.googlegroups.com...
No, actually individuals have. ACORN did nothing that I know of.
>2. Several suspicious things happened in this election
Several susppicious things happen in every election. Did you forget
2000/2004?
>Drawing a possible link is perfectly reasonable and you'd be foolish
>not to consider it.
Drawing a possible link is perfectly reasonable if you believe in conspiracy
theories without any factual basis or you're drawn to hyperbole.
--
Nom=de=Plume
Frogwatch
Well, that 'splains all. You can narrowly define voter fraud to mean
anything you like. Still, Hoffman would have been remiss to not
consider ACORN fraud (considering the "odd" results of zero vote
precincts for him) and you know it. A "simple transcription error".
Did the other side suffer such errors?
Can we consider all the dead people in Chicago that are registered as
Dems and Obama's promise about "The Chicago Way"?
So, YES, ACORN is perfectly capable of affecting an election. YES,
Dems favor using child sexual slavery to fund their campaigns thru
ACORN. We have absolute evidence that cannot be denied.
jps
I'm sure the good people of the 23rd, who have a long history of being
dedicated conservatives, would have unearthed any wrongdoing or
inconsistencies as they were validating the data.
But, like Bill Frisk, I'm sure you could have diagnosed that poor
woman in a coma via video - as can most of the lunatics who think
Hoffman was screwed and Obama isn't president.
CalifBill
"jps" <tr...@thedump.com> wrote in message
news:f9vdg59ui4pv6c66j...@4ax.com...
Well shutup and listen. Maybe they were acorn precinct workers. Those
counting the votes. How can a precinct report zero votes when there were
numerous votes for the candidate? Fraud?
jps
Do you have a collection of tin hats?
What in God's name made you think that Acorn workers would get
themselves jobs as precinct workers and screw with the vote totals?
You have dipped a whole leg in a pool of insanity.
That's batshit crazy. You're approaching Virginia Foxx territory.
achmed
> What in God's name made you think that Acorn workers would get
> themselves jobs as precinct workers and screw with the vote totals?
Because they can.
CalifBill
Because they can get jobs as precinct workers and get paid to influence the
election. Chicago politics at it's finest.
jps
<bmcke...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
Okay, I get it. You have a whole hat rack full of tin foil
appurtences to fit the cranium?
You are nuts and I defy you to come up with any proof of your claim.
Not of Chicago politics but of Acorn "operatives" getting jobs as poll
workers to tip elections.
And then tell me exactly how they tipped the balances in NY 23?
For Obama in 2008?
You are making your way to a Loony Lib label, but in this case Lib
stands for Libertarian. I do think you'd be comfy among them.
thunder
> OK. lets look at this. Several precincts reported zero votes for
> Hoffman but checking after his concession revealed he had numerous votes
> in them. Sure sounds suspicious to me. The reported totals on election
> night on which he based his concession turned out to be wildly wrong,
> seems kinda suspicious to me. ACORN has been involved in vote fraud all
> across the USA so ti seems like a reasonable conjecture considering the
> circumstances.
Only one problem, ACORN wasn't in NY 23. You also overlook the fact that
besides ACORN, Hoffman has blamed the unions, the Democrats, and even a
computer virus for his loss, everything except the voters who preferred a
Democrat for the first time in 150 years.
jps
wrote:
This resonates with the birther movement. Acorn is another made up
excuse for sore losers to blame some fantasy bogeyman. They're not
the only ones with workers who try to falsify voter registrations to
get paid.
What's important to know is that they don't result in fraudulent
votes. How this gets stretched from dregs trying to make a few
dishonest dollars to voter fraud is a disingenuous fabrication.
Everyone who promotes it knows it's bullshit. Whomever believes them
is a fool or purposefully ignorant.
achmed
Very interesting comments. Will you please cite factual corroborating
testimony.