47' Davis???
Harry Krause
User9965 wrote:
> My brother is talking about buying a 47' Buddy Davis fishing boat.
> I was wondering if anyone in this NG has any thoughts on this boat??
> Thanks.
Hehehe. This is the cream of the crop of sportfishing boats. There are a
couple of lines that are its equal, and maybe one a little bit better,
but a Buddy Davis boat is top of the line in any serious offshore
fisherman's book. Last time I checked on prices for a new one, the 47'
was running between $600,000 and $700,000.
If I were in the market again for a boat like this, I'd have three at
the top of my list for consideration: a Rybovich, a Hatteras or a Buddy
Davis.
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hidda
Harry Krause wrote in message <363869AE...@erols.com>...
The Buddy Davis is probably the best fiberglass sport fishing deep sea big
game fishing boat around. The Rybo is made out of wood and is probably THE
best, wood or glass, boat around for catching record breaking fish. Merrits
are pretty damned good too, but not as good as the Rybo.
There are two Davis boats here and they are absolute beauties! I think the
newest one cost about a million... It's got a whirlpool tub in it!
Dennis
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Harry Krause
Wanna bet that tub has better quality fiberglass cloth in it than some boats
frequently discussed here?
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Skipper
> Wanna bet that tub has better quality fiberglass cloth in it than some
> boats frequently discussed here?
For a million bucks one would hope so. The whirlpool they put on my boat
is so small we use it for live bait or iced beer.
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FBNLCaribe wrote:
Harry wrote:
> Hehehe. This is the cream of the crop of sportfishing boats. There
> are a couple of lines that are its equal, and maybe one a little bit
> better, but a Buddy Davis boat is top of the line in any serious
> offshore fisherman's book.
Well I always kinda thought I was serious about sportfishing, and
happen to run a 47' Davis for a living. And again, it looks like
Harry isn't really talking from experience. If I were to grade it I
think it gets a D+ as far as fishing boats go. And a VERY long way
from the "cream of the crop" I have had several people at Buddy Davis
have admit to me the 47 was an ill conceived idea. If you look at the
proto type (pequod) was 50' long which made for a much better boat.
The major fault with the 47' is that it is too short for the way they
layed it out which causes it to ride too heavy in the stern. This
causes a huge sacrifice of speed. This also causes a huge amount of
exhaust suckback into the boat as you travel. I've alwyas admired the
"carolina ride" as I constantly get soaked running in a 2 foot
quatering chop. And downright scary in a following sea. Very little
room inside for a 47' boat. And the boat does not move very well in
comparison to other "serious" fishing boats its size. Digs hard when
it backs, and very slow to spin. It certainly looks like a serious
sportfishing boat, but that's about it. It doesn't belong being
compared to merritts and ryboviches, it simply isn't in the class.
Compared to a hatteras, bertram, or old viking. It will do very well.
If you view it as it is, just another production boat, its not all
that bad. I heard Buddy wasa talking about building the 47 again, but
think he thought better and went with the 52, which is an entirely
different boat with the extra 5 feet of surface. I can't believe
harry, could mention rybovich and davis in the same sentence. There's
only one newer rybovich on the market near its size (48') and I think
the selling price is near 1.5 million. The hatteras's that size and
age can be found anywhere from 100k to 500k.
E-mail me if you have any other questions. I've worked on 3 different
47s and have a huge list of gripes I'd be gladd to go over with you.
I probably know the one your friend is thinking of buying.
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> Go back and re-read this time for comprehension harry, I hate having
> my words twisted. you were the one saying beautifull wood grain
> sportfishing boats, and point out where the grain is on the hull of
> the dixie. We need to change the topic here if thes argument is gonna
> continue. how does this relate to the 47' davis?
A very interesting discussion of boats going on in the
rec.outdoors.fishing.saltwater NG. Definitly worth a read. Think I like
this FBNLCaribe guy.
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Harry Krause
Of course you do. He's wrong, just as you are. All day long, he was sending
me email about cold molded wood boats and the fact that Rybovich did not
make a 60-foot sport fishing boat. I mentioned one in particular and he said
he had been aboard that particular boat, and it was a 68-footer.
Except that the Rybo web page indicates it was a 60-footer. Oh...and so did
the article in BOATING magazine.
So, it's no wonder you feel akin to the fellow.
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hidda
Skipper wrote in message <363A2A61...@dtc.net>...
Ahh.... The two boats here are 50 something footers... Probably 52
footers. I'll have to go and ask my friend the next time I see him.
The other one is also a 50 something and it flies. It's one of the faster
big boats in the tournaments.
I will admit that I have never seen a 47.
Joseph M Tyson
hidda wrote:
> <snip>
> The Rybo is made out of wood and is probably THE
> best, wood or glass, boat around for catching record breaking fish. Merrits
> are pretty damned good too, but not as good as the Rybo.
>
> There are two Davis boats here and they are absolute beauties! I think the
> newest one cost about a million... It's got a whirlpool tub in it!
>
This is an interesting observation. Please explain what makes a Rybovitch a
better boat than a Merrit (or, for that matter, a Whitticar).
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Harry Krause
> OK...
>
> I've been running my 47 Davis now since 1991 (it's an '89) and I think
> if you can afford one (no, I'm not trying to be elitist) there is
> nothing better in the size range that I've ridden in. I've run
> everything and anything up to and including a 54 Bertram, and at this
> point, I'm still very pleased with the 47 Davis. Considering that I
> get calls from brokers at least twice a year informing me that they
> have qualified buyers with cash ready to buy my boat, it also appears
> that there is a decent market for a used 47 Davis.
>
> I have a friend with a 48 Ocean, and in a 2' chop the boat feels like
> it's riding over speed bumps. A 48 Viking... wear your wet suit in
> any seas other than dead flat calm because they are the wettest boat
> out there, followed by a 45 Cabo. The 48 Vikings are also followed by
> a long history of engine room fires probably because of the poor
> design and airflow. The Hatteras 48 built in the '87-'90 time frame
> (seven built) was such a disaster, they scrapped the hull design
> totally.
>
> The Davis is not without fault. If you care about interior room,
> forget this boat... a 47 Davis has the interior accomodations of a 42
> Jersey-built (slab-sided) boat. OTH, we fish the boat in the canyons
> off of Montauk, and have never encountered a problem working with a
> fish, either backing or turning... that seemed abnormal. The engine
> room is spacious, well-ventilated and relatively easy to move around
> in. As far as speed goes... it's not a speed merchant, but then we're
> running 4-blade props with spurs, carry a full tower, about 50,000
> pounds loaded, and we can make 29+ knots at slack tide with the bridge
> enclosures in place. I pick up a full knot with those enclosures off
> as we like to run w/o them in the summer sometimes. Switching over to
> the 3-blades will give me an additional knot, but I like the
> smoothness of the 4-blades. Running in a following sea takes a little
> getting used to... but I've been in seas up to 12 foot with this boat
> and you just have to use a combination of throttle and _no_ trim tabs
> to counteract the deep forefoot of the bow. You run it with the butt
> of the boat planted low and the bow up. In a headsea, I don't know
> what could possibly ride smoother.
>
> And while it's not that important to many... the 47 Davis is perhaps
> the best looking under-50' sportfisherman ever built IMHO. It sits
> low in the water, is pretty sleek, and it's classic lines and features
> are being copied by everyone. It's kinda nice to have folks come up
> to you on the docks and ask what kind of boat it is and also remark on
> it's beauty, but it's nicer knowing that you have a safe, solid boat
> under you that you can go almost anywhere in. BTW, the "look" is not
> unique to Davis... there are several other Carolina builders who also
> build great-looking boats.
>
> Sorry for the lengthy analysis, but for the guy who wrote that he was
> running a 47 Davis and was unhappy... I'd sell the boat and buy
> something you like. That is the first owner (?) of a 47 that has ever
> complained about one. For a good review, pick up Tred Barta's book
> and read his opinion of the 47 Davis. Sounded pretty positive to me.
>
> Mike/TOY SOLDIER
I wouldn't be overly concerned with the fellow who claimed to know about
Davis 47's. He also claimed familiarity with a certain Rybovich and told
me that I was absolutely wrong about its dimensions, since he had been on
the boat himself and was a frequent tourer of the factory.
I directed him to a magazine article and the Rybovich web page, both of
which substantiated the boat length I had posted. Never heard from him
again.
He also was a little confused about the process of building a boat of
cold-molded wood. Rybo uses this method and so do some others. At first he
said Rybo did not use the method, but, again, that Rybo web page has the
information about its boat construction methods plain as day.
I think Buddy Davis makes one hell of a fishing boat.
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hidda
Joseph M Tyson wrote in message <363B3FA4...@banet.net>...
It's simple. First, take a look around both of them. Guess which one will
make you want to feel the woodwork? Second. Take a ride on them. Both are
great, but one will stand out a bit more.
One thing you will notice about both of them. The helm placement is
designed for fishing... Not for making the most number of people
comfortable.
Joseph M Tyson
hidda wrote:
> >This is an interesting observation. Please explain what makes a Rybovitch a
> >better boat than a Merrit (or, for that matter, a Whitticar).
> >
>
> It's simple. First, take a look around both of them. Guess which one will
> make you want to feel the woodwork? Second. Take a ride on them. Both are
> great, but one will stand out a bit more.
>
> One thing you will notice about both of them. The helm placement is
> designed for fishing... Not for making the most number of people
> comfortable.
Well now, Gran Cru, for instance is generally regarded as sharp as any
Rybovitch ever built.
Ride? I don't believe that you have ever helmed a Whitticar or a Merrit. In any
case, a blanket statement that a Rybo rides better than. . . is odd considering
that the various hulls produced by Rybovitch since the war vary, in some cases,
considerably.
Your response sounds ignorant at best and phoney at worst.
hidda
Joseph M Tyson wrote in message <3641C662...@banet.net>...
Well, I've only been out on one Rybo (California) and 3 Merrits (locally)
and two Davis (locally). No, I'm not an expert on them, but I do know that
I liked the Rybo a lot better... The helms on the Rybo and Merrits are a
hell of a lot better for backing down and fighting fish than any other boats
I've been on. Besides, the wood looks kinda nice... :) I'd describe these
helms as a pedestal helm... Only one seat near it... The captain's.
Well... I will also admit that the reputation of the Rybo is actually from
the guys who own the Merrits. They'd rather have a Rybo, but at the time,
they couldn't find any in their price range... So, they settled on the
Merrit. They're happy with what they got.
By the way, do you know Bart Miller?
hidda
> Well now, Gran Cru, for instance is generally regarded as sharp as any
>Rybovitch ever built.
>Ride? I don't believe that you have ever helmed a Whitticar or a Merrit. In
any
>case, a blanket statement that a Rybo rides better than. . . is odd
considering
>that the various hulls produced by Rybovitch since the war vary, in some
cases,
>considerably.
>Your response sounds ignorant at best and phoney at worst.
>
Oh... forgot. Let me ask you this. Do you know why I prefer to be on the
bridge of the Rybo and Merrits that I've been on when compared to the slew
of Bertrams that I've spent dozens of hours on?
Michael Bersch
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