Old Tyme Boat Brochure Photos, Amusing attire
chuckgou...@gmail.com
I'm working on a filler piece this evening that recounts the history of
the local Bayliner dealer. (The firm just celebrated its 50th
anniversary, although it did not sell Bayliner for some years after it
was founded).
I've got three brochure photos for some really old Bayliner models.
A Mutiny, a Discovery, and a Cornet. These boats are 16, 17 and 19 feet
in length.
Back in the day, models posing in some boat brochure photos were
dressed in business suits! The skipper is dressed in a shirt, jacket,
tie, the whole works. In one photo of the suit and tie boater, his
female passenger is dressed in a business dress and sports a "bee hive"
hairdo. In another photo, two women are out in a boat, and one of them
is wearing a very modest two-piece bathing suit. It was probably
considered "risque" in its era.
jps
chuckgou...@gmail.com says...
Beehives were cool, so were mutton chops.
If you're marketing a go-fast boat these days, two endowed models in
bathing suits is mandatory fare.
jps
Bryan
"jps" <tr...@thedump.com> wrote in message
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Today's models will have the mandatory enhanced personal flotation devices
...
Doug Kanter
<chuckgou...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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The Chapman's book I had in the 1960s contained an entire section on proper
wardrobe for the yacht club. It specified uniforms for certain people. My
dad had a business acquaintance who docked his 75' toy in Sands Point, Long
Island. The guy was referred to as "admiral" by his chums at the club, and
certainly by the dock boys, of course. I asked my dad once if the guy had
been in the Navy. He said no, and the "admiral" thing was just an
affectation among the clubby types.
Un-friggin-believable.
Skipper
> The yacht clubby types tend to take their club rank seriously. It's
> really kind of laughable.
> My father's boatyard was almost next door to a snooty yacht club in the
> same harbor. He joined because I wanted to race sailboats in the junior
> program when I was a kid, but he refused to get involved in the
> hierarchy. For fun, we went to social events at a blue collar boat club,
> where no one was an "ossifer with a title."
Actually, the NG does have a snooty, holier than thou, commodore yachty
type participant. You might want to ask Commodore Chucky about it.
--
Skipper
Don White
>
> Actually, the NG does have a snooty, holier than thou, commodore yachty
> type participant. You might want to ask Commodore Chucky about it.
>
> --
> Skipper
Would the 'real' Snipper please stand up.
chuckgou...@gmail.com
Aha. Psuedo now runs from his unsupportable claims that I am a "liar"
(offers no evidence of any type) simply to show up in this thread and
start a new line of personal attack. Do you ever tire of being a sick,
twisted, negative minded little butt barnacle, Psuedo?
I'd love to know upon what basis you characterize me as "Commodore
Chucky". I have never served in that capacity in any club. (Board
Chairman is a different office, attending to the business aspects
rather than the social aspects of the organization). I have not even
been a member of any yacht club for a few years. But then again, the
truth has never been an important element in your endless bowel
movement of personal attacks has it, Psuedo? How sad to end up in life
as a broken down, bitter, boatless old man with nothing to do but crank
out bitchy little insults to virtual strangers all around the world.
Man, that has got to be one depressing fate. Sorry for your loss (of
self respect), Psuedo.
The real Skipper appeared, for all intents and purposes, to be a member
of the KKK. He really launched some zingers about blacks and jews a
couple of times. I used to belong to a yacht club, but I've never
belonged to any organization that preached hatred and intolerance.
Given the choice between one and the other, I'd take the yacht club any
day.
GFYS. (Stands for: good for you, "skipper", of course).
PocoLoco
Sure does sound like you're talking to Harry! When Harry started his shit with
me, I got pissed. Made an ass out of myself. I've since learned to laugh at his
foolishness and chalk it up to NPD.
You now seem to be having the same problems several in the group have had with
Krause. Pain in the butt, isn't it?
Filter him, 'cause it's sounding more and more like he's for real.
--
John H
"The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant: It's just that they know so much that isn't so."
Ronald Reagan
Starbuck's Words of Wisdom
Skipper has made a few comments about your integrity and you go ballistic.
JimH should not have allowed your personal attacks on him to piss him off,
but it did. Maybe you owe him an apology, you know what they say about
Karma.
ps - This Skipper is Dave Mann from Derby Kansas. He is the person you
meet in person, it is not a Pseudo.
<chuckgou...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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chuckgou...@gmail.com
Starbuck's Words of Wisdom wrote:
> Chuck,
>
> Skipper has made a few comments about your integrity and you go ballistic.
I have done nothing to deserve the non-stop flaming this individual
began with his "open letter" thread and has continued ever since.
If any of his outrageous charges had a shred of truth, that would be
one thing.
Only a sick bastard takes up stalking a person from thread to thread to
lob disruptive insults. This character is surely not the first to pull
this nonsense in the NG, and probably won't be the last.
You ain't seen "ballistic", Starbucks. I'm currently merely annoyed
with this little butt barnacle- but if he insists on stalking me he's
going to get an offal surprise sooner rather than later.
> JimH should not have allowed your personal attacks on him to piss him off,
> but it did.
No, he should not. JimH should have thicker skin. He who wields a flame
thrower is well advised to wear an asbestos suit and keep a sharp eye
peeled for blowback. JimH is far superior to Psuedo, however, as JimH
only attempts to make a personal issue out of posts that have actually
appeared in the NG. Psuedo, OTOH, dreams up some crap supposedly from
five years ago and supposedly from a private conversation and
challenges people to defend/explain statements that were never made in
the first place. JimH often chooses a very narrow and unusual
perspective from which to evaluate a post, but it would be very much
unlike JimH to make up crap out of thin air and then demand somebody
account for it. When JimH calls me a liar, as he has done on a number
of ocassions, he always itemizes his bill and pulls no punches as to
the nature of the "lie" he is alleging.
The major similarity between Psuedo and JimH is that its a dislike for
my political philosophy that fosters the vast majority of their
personal remarks.
JimH has never met me, and Psuedo Skipper obviously doesn't know me.
Maybe you owe him an apology, you know what they say about
> Karma.
I publicly apologized for voicing my suspicion that the extremely
weird, once-in-a-lifetime posting style used by "Skipper" at the
opening of his "Open Letter" attack thread and the use of the same very
unsual style and phrasing in an attack post by JimH likely indicated
common authorship. I do not apologize for suspecting the common
authorship. You, yourself, said you suspected a common authorship until
some computer-related data convinced you otherwise.
>
> ps - This Skipper is Dave Mann from Derby Kansas. He is the person you
> meet in person, it is not a Pseudo.
>
I am beginning to see some similarity between the current version of
Skipper and the very worst examples of Cave Mann when he was most out
of control in previous years. What a shame if it's Dave, time has not
been kind to him at all.
If it's really Dave, the Psuedo Skipper title still fits him very well.
If he buys another boat, we'll surely begin hearing tales about how his
new driveway ornament is the best "purpose built" craft on the planet,
and he'll be insisting that everybody else drag their boats down to
Mexico where he will demonstrate proper technique for riding out
hurricane force winds in a little runabout. Maybe he'll invite his
Wilson cousins, the Boys can sit on the Beach.
Starbuckaroo
For what it is worth, nothing Skipper says will change anyone's impression
of your integrity. I wouldn't let it bother you.
<chuckgou...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Starbuckaroo
Why are you getting in the middle of Chuck's and my discussion? Are you
playing Chuck? Are you stirring the pot?
What are you doing in this thread?
"Harry Krause" <harry....@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>> As you can see, Chuckster, all Starbucks-Smithers really wants to do
> here is stir the pot and keep it roiling, if he can. Else, why would he
> try to get in the middle of so many "discussions," and do whatever is
> within his limited means to encourage argument on as many sides as
> possible.
>
> He's playing you.
Bert Robbins
<chuckgou...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> Starbuck's Words of Wisdom wrote:
>> Chuck,
>>
>> Skipper has made a few comments about your integrity and you go
>> ballistic.
>
> I have done nothing to deserve the non-stop flaming this individual
> began with his "open letter" thread and has continued ever since.
Now you are going to try and play the poor innocent me card. It won't work.
> If any of his outrageous charges had a shred of truth, that would be
> one thing.
> Only a sick bastard takes up stalking a person from thread to thread to
> lob disruptive insults. This character is surely not the first to pull
> this nonsense in the NG, and probably won't be the last.
Sounds like you are describing your buddy Harry and tag along Don.
> You ain't seen "ballistic", Starbucks. I'm currently merely annoyed
> with this little butt barnacle- but if he insists on stalking me he's
> going to get an offal surprise sooner rather than later.
Idle threat or you are going to go into one of your self imposed hiatus'.
>> JimH should not have allowed your personal attacks on him to piss him
>> off,
>> but it did.
>
> No, he should not. JimH should have thicker skin. He who wields a flame
> thrower is well advised to wear an asbestos suit and keep a sharp eye
> peeled for blowback. JimH is far superior to Psuedo, however, as JimH
> only attempts to make a personal issue out of posts that have actually
> appeared in the NG. Psuedo, OTOH, dreams up some crap supposedly from
> five years ago and supposedly from a private conversation and
> challenges people to defend/explain statements that were never made in
> the first place. JimH often chooses a very narrow and unusual
> perspective from which to evaluate a post, but it would be very much
> unlike JimH to make up crap out of thin air and then demand somebody
> account for it. When JimH calls me a liar, as he has done on a number
> of ocassions, he always itemizes his bill and pulls no punches as to
> the nature of the "lie" he is alleging.
Seems like your skin is getting thinner every day.
So, you have been challenged in a public forum for private a discussion you
had with Skipper? Tell us your side and we will then determine who we
believe.
Chuck you are a bully and when some one turns it back on you it really gets
you pissed. A spoon full of your own medicine is often bitter.
> The major similarity between Psuedo and JimH is that its a dislike for
> my political philosophy that fosters the vast majority of their
> personal remarks.
> JimH has never met me, and Psuedo Skipper obviously doesn't know me.
Your tirads about those that have differing opinions is what pisses people
off. You have an air of superiority in your written words.
> Maybe you owe him an apology, you know what they say about
>> Karma.
>
> I publicly apologized for voicing my suspicion that the extremely
> weird, once-in-a-lifetime posting style used by "Skipper" at the
> opening of his "Open Letter" attack thread and the use of the same very
> unsual style and phrasing in an attack post by JimH likely indicated
> common authorship. I do not apologize for suspecting the common
> authorship. You, yourself, said you suspected a common authorship until
> some computer-related data convinced you otherwise.
Keep trying you will realize the source someday.
>>
>> ps - This Skipper is Dave Mann from Derby Kansas. He is the person you
>> meet in person, it is not a Pseudo.
>>
>
> I am beginning to see some similarity between the current version of
> Skipper and the very worst examples of Cave Mann when he was most out
> of control in previous years. What a shame if it's Dave, time has not
> been kind to him at all.
Time hasn't been good to you either, you have become more acidic these last
couple of years.
> If it's really Dave, the Psuedo Skipper title still fits him very well.
> If he buys another boat, we'll surely begin hearing tales about how his
> new driveway ornament is the best "purpose built" craft on the planet,
> and he'll be insisting that everybody else drag their boats down to
> Mexico where he will demonstrate proper technique for riding out
> hurricane force winds in a little runabout. Maybe he'll invite his
> Wilson cousins, the Boys can sit on the Beach.
The similarities between Skipper and Harry are very interesting.
Skipper
> Starbuck's Words of Wisdom wrote:
>> Chuck,
>> Skipper has made a few comments about your integrity and you go
>> ballistic.
> I have done nothing to deserve the non-stop flaming this individual
> began with his "open letter" thread and has continued ever since.
After Skipper left the NG you flamed him at every mention. You KNEW he
had over 50 years of boating experience and yet you called him a
"non-boater". That alone would be justification for most, but you went
further, placing him as the butt of your jokes with acquaintances over
beers. Skipper has plenty of cause for setting the record straight about
your integrity and honesty.
> If any of his outrageous charges had a shred of truth, that would be
> one thing.
Are you now stating the conversations you had with Skipper about AIMS
did not happen?
> Only a sick bastard takes up stalking a person from thread to thread to
> lob disruptive insults. This character is surely not the first to pull
> this nonsense in the NG, and probably won't be the last.
Why are you avoiding an open discussion about AIMS? Could it be because
that would show you in an unflattering light?
> You ain't seen "ballistic", Starbucks. I'm currently merely annoyed
> with this little butt barnacle- but if he insists on stalking me he's
> going to get an offal surprise sooner rather than later.
You seem mighty worried about this invitation to an open discussion. I
believe most will have a hard time understanding your reluctance to
discuss your prior statements about AIMS.
>> JimH should not have allowed your personal attacks on him to piss him
>> off, but it did.
> No, he should not. JimH should have thicker skin. He who wields a flame
> thrower is well advised to wear an asbestos suit and keep a sharp eye
> peeled for blowback.
You might want to follow you own advice about flaming others. It open an
invitation to an open discussion about YOUR conduct.
> JimH is far superior to Psuedo, however, as JimH only attempts to make
> a personal issue out of posts that have actually appeared in the NG.
> Psuedo, OTOH, dreams up some crap supposedly from five years ago and
> supposedly from a private conversation and challenges people to
> defend/explain statements that were never made in the first place.
"Dreams up crap that never took place"? Perhaps we should discuss and
let the NG readers decide for themselves who is relating the truth.
> The major similarity between Psuedo and JimH is that its a dislike for
> my political philosophy that fosters the vast majority of their
> personal remarks. JimH has never met me, and Psuedo Skipper obviously
> doesn't know me.
Would seem you are Mr. Perfect and have no fault. Congratulations. Now,
lets discuss AIMS and your statements.
>> Maybe you owe him an apology, you know what they say about Karma.
> I do not apologize for suspecting the common authorship. You, yourself,
> said you suspected a common authorship until some computer-related data
> convinced you otherwise.
Sufficient evidence has been presented so that you KNOW who is accusing
you.
>> ps - This Skipper is the person you meet in person, it is not a Pseudo.
> I am beginning to see some similarity between the current version of
> Skipper and the very worst examples of Cave Mann when he was most out
> of control in previous years. What a shame if it's Dave, time has not
> been kind to him at all. Maybe he'll invite his Wilson cousins, the
> Boys can sit on the Beach.
All but one of those cousins are now dead, as are their parents. The one
cousin who lives is brain fried. As I've stated before, you are indeed a
class act, Chucky.
--
Skipper
Skipper
>> I have done nothing to deserve the non-stop flaming this individual
>> began with his "open letter" thread and has continued ever since.
> Now you are going to try and play the poor innocent me card. It won't
> work.
Chucky just doesn't know where the truth begins. A Common problem with
used car salesmen types.
>> If any of his outrageous charges had a shred of truth, that would be
>> one thing.
Are you now ready to discuss your statements to me regarding AIMS? NG
readers can decide for themselves who is being honest about those
discussions.
>> You ain't seen "ballistic", Starbucks. I'm currently merely annoyed
>> with this little butt barnacle- but if he insists on stalking me he's
>> going to get an offal surprise sooner rather than later.
Let's discuss.
--
Skipper
Starbuckaroo
Do you ever contribute anything of value in the NG?
"Harry Krause" <harry....@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Bert Robbins wrote:
>
>
> The usual Bert crap, off-topic, devoid of content, and foul-smelling.
chuckgou...@gmail.com
>
those cousins are now dead, as are their parents. The one
> cousin who lives is brain fried.
> --
> Skipper
Indeed.
chuckgou...@gmail.com
Skipper wrote:
> chuckgou...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > Starbuck's Words of Wisdom wrote:
> >> Chuck,
>
> >> Skipper has made a few comments about your integrity and you go
> >> ballistic.
>
> > I have done nothing to deserve the non-stop flaming this individual
> > began with his "open letter" thread and has continued ever since.
>
> After Skipper left the NG you flamed him at every mention. You KNEW he
> had over 50 years of boating experience and yet you called him a
> "non-boater". That alone would be justification for most, but you went
> further, placing him as the butt of your jokes with acquaintances over
> beers. Skipper has plenty of cause for setting the record straight about
> your integrity and honesty.
>
> > If any of his outrageous charges had a shred of truth, that would be
> > one thing.
>
> Are you now stating the conversations you had with Skipper about AIMS
> did not happen?
>
> > Only a sick bastard takes up stalking a person from thread to thread to
> > lob disruptive insults. This character is surely not the first to pull
> > this nonsense in the NG, and probably won't be the last.
>
> Why are you avoiding an open discussion about AIMS? Could it be because
> that would show you in an unflattering light?
I can't imagine why.
Here's what somebody who was actually present during the conversations
Skipper and I had in Seattle reported, so see what you think.
JD's Survey Not so Powerful
Chuck is an honest broker. Had I used him as my representative for a
boat
I'd seen before contacting him, he would have saved us ...
rec.boats - Oct 26 2001, 9:35 am by Skipper - 65 messages - 15 authors
Here in the NG, we should discuss things posted to the NG. Not things
that one side of a private conversation changes the story after five
years or so and now claims were said.
For example: (the following incident never occured)...suppose I
suddenly appeared in the group to report, "When Skipper was last in
Seattle, he kept asking me if I knew anything about the Broadway
District. He said he had heard that it was a great place to pick up
underage boys willing to go down on fat old men for a little quick
spending cash. He reached in his pocket and pulled out a paper that
said, "For a good time, call so and so....." (etc, etc, you get the
point).....
Psuedo, what the same crazy heck would be the point of arguing about
that conversation in the NG? First, it was a private conversation
between you and me. Second, with a total lack of evidence available on
either side the "discussion" you call for would devolve into you
said/did not you said/did not you said/did not etc.
If you think its suddenly your role in life to challenge my ethics,
then do so with some incident or statement that is known to others in
the NG- not a "Gould said this, and in spite of my previous statements
to the contrary you'll now have to take my word for it..." bag of BS.
The only real record I have of anything Skipper or I said during or
about our meetings is the statement posted some time after our 2nd
meeting in Seattle.
Let's see, how does that go again....oh, yeah.......
JD's Survey Not so Powerful
Chuck is an honest broker. Had I used him as my representative for a
boat
I'd seen before contacting him, he would have saved us ...
rec.boats - Oct 26 2001, 9:35 am by Skipper - 65 messages - 15 authors
GFYS. Psuedo. (Stands for: Go fantasize you're Skipper, of course).
PocoLoco
>
>Starbuck's Words of Wisdom wrote:
>> Chuck,
>>
>> Skipper has made a few comments about your integrity and you go ballistic.
>
>I have done nothing to deserve the non-stop flaming this individual
>began with his "open letter" thread and has continued ever since.
>
>If any of his outrageous charges had a shred of truth, that would be
>one thing.
>Only a sick bastard takes up stalking a person from thread to thread to
>lob disruptive insults. This character is surely not the first to pull
>this nonsense in the NG, and probably won't be the last.
>
>You ain't seen "ballistic", Starbucks. I'm currently merely annoyed
>with this little butt barnacle- but if he insists on stalking me he's
>going to get an offal surprise sooner rather than later.
You sure this isn't Harry stalking you? Sure sounds like his behavior, 'stalking
a person from thread to thread to lob disruptive insults'!
*JimH*
<chuckgou...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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I have caught up on what you have written since I have left over a week ago.
I see you still perpetuate the lies about me, including the fact that
continue to claim that you apologized to me for your whopper of a lie about
me.
But how fun it is to see you twist and turn like this Chuckles. It seems
that Old Skipper has struck a raw nerve and is about to uncover you for the
pathetic person you really are.
PS. I am still waiting to see the *attack post* you accused me of writing
about you. I am also still waiting for a real apology from you for your
lies about me.
Skipper
>>> I have done nothing to deserve the non-stop flaming this individual
>>> began with his "open letter" thread and has continued ever since.
>> After Skipper left the NG you flamed him at every mention. You KNEW he
>> had over 50 years of boating experience and yet you called him a
>> "non-boater". That alone would be justification for most, but you went
>> further, placing him as the butt of your jokes with acquaintances over
>> beers. Skipper has plenty of cause for setting the record straight about
>> your integrity and honesty.
>> Are you now stating the conversations you had with Skipper about AIMS
>> did not happen?
> Only a sick bastard takes up stalking a person from thread to thread to
> lob disruptive insults. This character is surely not the first to pull
> this nonsense in the NG, and probably won't be the last.
>> Why are you avoiding an open discussion about AIMS? Could it be because
>> that would show you in an unflattering light?
> I can't imagine why.
I can, let's discuss and let the NG decide.
> Here in the NG, we should discuss things posted to the NG. Not things
> that one side of a private conversation changes the story after five
> years or so and now claims were said.
We have some pretty smart participants in this NG. I think their powers
of perception can detect truth. Subjects need not be limited to only
what has been previously posted to this NG.
That said, I believe it has become all too obvious that you have no
intention of discussing AIMS, your role with that "marine research
operation", or your previous statements about that company. I believe
most NG readers also know the reason why.
> For example: (the following incident never occured)...suppose I
> suddenly appeared in the group to report, "When Skipper was last in
> Seattle, he kept asking me if I knew anything about the Broadway
> District. He said he had heard that it was a great place to pick up
> underage boys willing to go down on fat old men for a little quick
> spending cash. He reached in his pocket and pulled out a paper that
> said, "For a good time, call so and so....." (etc, etc, you get the
> point).....
As I've stated previously, you are truly a class act, Chucky.
> Psuedo, what the same crazy heck would be the point of arguing about
> that conversation in the NG? First, it was a private conversation
> between you and me. Second, with a total lack of evidence available on
> either side the "discussion" you call for would devolve into you
> said/did not you said/did not you said/did not etc.
You sound like the typical used car salesman, Chucky. The point of
discussing AIMS and our previous conversations about it would be to
illuminate you and your conduct. Readers can and will come to their own
conclusions.
> If you think its suddenly your role in life to challenge my ethics,
> then do so with some incident or statement that is known to others in
> the NG- not a "Gould said this, and in spite of my previous statements
> to the contrary you'll now have to take my word for it..." bag of BS.
I'm challenging your conduct precisely BECAUSE of your conduct. I did
not insult and belittle you during my absence, you however did.
> The only real record I have of anything Skipper or I said during or
> about our meetings is the statement posted some time after our 2nd
> meeting in Seattle.
> Let's see, how does that go again....oh, yeah.......
> JD's Survey Not so Powerful - Chuck is an honest broker. Had I used him
> as my representative for a boat I'd seen before contacting him, he would
> have saved us ... rec.boats - Oct 26 2001, 9:35 am by Skipper - 65
> messages - 15 authors
That repeated snippet seems a bit like the refuge of a scoundrel to me.
I HAVE explained those comments.
> GFYS. Psuedo. (Stands for: Go fantasize you're Skipper, of course).
You really are a class act, Chucky.
--
Skipper
Skipper
>> GFYS. Psuedo. (Stands for: Go fantasize you're Skipper, of course).
> I have caught up on what you have written since I have left over a
> week ago. I see you still perpetuate the lies about me, including
> the fact that continue to claim that you apologized to me for your
> whopper of a lie about me.
As with most used car salesman types, it would appear Chucky is clueless
regarding the differences or dividing line between truth and lies. You
are dealing with a pretty low class individual.
> But how fun it is to see you twist and turn like this Chuckles. It
> seems that Old Skipper has struck a raw nerve and is about to uncover
> you for the pathetic person you really are.
Chucky will make that disclosure himself...by his actions and
obfuscation of the truth.
> PS. I am still waiting to see the *attack post* you accused me of writing
> about you. I am also still waiting for a real apology from you for your
> lies about me.
Chucky just doesn't possess the class needed to offer that overdue
apology.
--
Skipper
*JimH*
"Skipper" <fair...@cox.net> wrote in message
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While away over the past week I was able to stumble upon a new piece of
software used by national and international police and security
organizations including the FBI, CIA, Interpol and KGB. The software is
able to show a physical image of a person once a variety of personality
traits and other characteristics/known facts are entered about the person in
question.
I played with the software to see if it really works.
Here are my results:
Traits: Brutal, rape room, inhuman, dictator, murderer, cold blooded,
torture chamber, Anti-Christ
Result: http://tinyurl.com/7chfb
Traits: Charming, beautiful, stunning, extraordinary talent, film star,
royalty.
Results: http://tinyurl.com/bffps
Traits: Liar, unethical, egotistical, ultra liberal, coward
Result: http://tinyurl.com/b9z6z
The software really is amazingly accurate!
Starbuckaroo
From what I can tell from your posts, you are suggesting Gould recommended
donating a boat to Charity for tax purposes, which is neither illegal or
immoral.
"Skipper" <fair...@cox.net> wrote in message
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Don White
Oh boy! Now we have Twiddle Dee & Twiddle Dumb talking back & forth.
Why don't you buy a small boat between the two of you, take Bertie along
for ballast, and go for a nice long cruise.
Skipper
> Skipper,
> From what I can tell from your posts, you are suggesting Gould recommended
> donating a boat to Charity for tax purposes, which is neither illegal or
> immoral.
You can pretty well bet Chucky has not been going to such extremes
avoiding the requested discussion for that reason. Actually, the reason
he's been so evasive goes to his basic honesty. And on that subject, I
believe his *evasiveness* negates the need for further discussion.
Prosecution rests.
Note - It is however a shame the NG did not benefit from an informative
and on-topic discussion of AIMS.
--
Skipper
Starbuckaroo
What is the name of the charity?
"Skipper" <fair...@cox.net> wrote in message
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Starbuckaroo
I would have thought someone who likes to believe he understands the
internet would have been able to figure out Skipper is the same Skipper you
know and love.
It was silly when you screwed up and were caught using a sock puppet, but
even you can figure out the new Skipper is not a sock puppet or a
PseudoSkipper.
"Harry Krause" <harry....@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> I was just thinking almost the same thing...
> Now we've got Hertvik the Whiner back, along with PseudoSkipper. Aren't we
> lucky?
>
> I'll bet you that when Hertvik was in high school, not a week went by
> without someone punching out his lights.
>
> Have you ever encountered an adult male (I use that term loosely) who
> whines as much in usenet as Hertvik?
Don White
> Now we've got Hertvik the Whiner back, along with PseudoSkipper. Aren't
> we lucky?
>
> I'll bet you that when Hertvik was in high school, not a week went by
> without someone punching out his lights.
>
> Have you ever encountered an adult male (I use that term loosely) who
> whines as much in usenet as Hertvik?
I'm guessing he hung out with 'the girls'.
*JimH*
"Don White" <whi...@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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I tried to be nice to you Don but I see you want to continue with a
confrontational relationship. Go ahead. I will not stoop to your level.
Starbucker
It is nice to see you have such admirable characteristics that others can
emulate. I am very proud that you did not call him a rectal fissure. That
is a step in the right direction. Keep up the good work.
"Harry Krause" <harry....@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> *JimH* wrote:
>
>> I tried to be nice to you Don but I see you want to continue with a
>> confrontational relationship. Go ahead. I will not stoop to your level.
>
>
> You're a whining dumbass, Hertvik. You keep doing dumb things here,
> apologizing for them, vowing to never do them again, and then you
> disappear for a few days and come back and do the same dumb things over
> and over and over.
>
> And you whine a lot.
>
> Grow up. Be a mensch. Or at least try to fake being a mensch.
*JimH*
I can only think of 2 things I was man enough to apologized for. This is
the only hiatus I took from the group that I can recall. Krause indeed
likes to exaggerate.
And being nasty is also natural for some people here.....Krause, Kanter,
jps, Gould, Kevin and now Don White.
"Starbucker" <coffee...@columbia.com> wrote in message
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Starbucker
Harry likes to engage you because he believes he can hurt your feelings. If
you are smart, you will not take anything said in rec.boats seriously.
For what it is worth, Don is not a bad guy, he is looking for support from
Harry and the easy way to do that is to take potshots at those Harry
insults. My guess is Don is a nice enough guy in real life.
" *JimH*" <m...@aol.com> wrote in message
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*JimH*
> JimH,
>
> Harry likes to engage you because he believes he can hurt your feelings.
> If you are smart, you will not take anything said in rec.boats seriously.
>
> For what it is worth, Don is not a bad guy, he is looking for support from
> Harry and the easy way to do that is to take potshots at those Harry
> insults. My guess is Don is a nice enough guy in real life.
>
He has yet to prove it to me despit the fact that I have tried to be nice to
him.
The gloves are off for me with Krause and Gould but I will continue to treat
Don with respect. Maybe he can change.
Don White
>
No comment. I don't want the local police/RCMP/CIA/Ohio State
Police/Avon Lake Sheriff etc starting files on me. I might want to
cross over the border sometime.
chuckgou...@gmail.com
Psuedo, you're a simpering dweeb.
Here are a couple of links to sites that describe some of the work done
by the organization with which I was once associated. As you say, the
NG has many bright members who can decide for themselves (assuming they
gave a ratz patoot in the first place)whether your charge that I was
engaged in a dishonest business and involved in "tax fraud" has any
merit or not.
There were some abuses throughout the entire boat donation industry,
and the firm I worked with was probably not a vestal virgin. No
business (or person) is perfect, or absolutely ethical 24/7/365. That
business morality doesn't automatically reflect on the morality or the
ethics of everybody involved. In recent years, we have seen many news
accounts of pedophile priests and attempts by bishops, etc, to cover up
the crimes of these guys and just transfer them from church to church
rather than deal with the problem. I assume, by your standards, that if
ever you meet a priest you're going to assume he's a pedophile? If
there are 10 people working in a church and it is ultimately discovered
that the priest has been having his way with the altar boys in the
confession booth, would you consider the church secretary, the janitor,
etc etc etc pedophiles as well? Would you consider any church to be the
domain of a pedophile?
Still have any of that literature you claim I gave you 6 or 7 years
ago?
If so, take a look at it. Every page had bold statements urging people
considering the donation of a boat to check with their own attorney or
tax professional before going ahead. Most did, and some of them
discovered that for various reasons, (such as AMT, specific bracketing,
etc), it wouldn't be a good idea to proceed. Fine. In my role, I wasn't
in the business of giving tax advice but I could explain the mechanics
of the program as it would be implemented for people who chose to make
a donation. We continuously urged prospective donors to get some
independent advice before donating.
http://www.miami.edu/campaign/donors/priorities_dp_aims.html
http://www.aims-nw.org/seattleservice.htm
http://www.mpcfaculty.net/tami_lunsford/SI_01_Curriculum_Products/TedDavis_southafricareturnsweb.pdf
http://www.miami.edu/campaign/donors/priorities_dp_aims.html
As far as I'm concerned, that's my portion of this "discussion".
GFYS. (go fantasize you're skipper)
atl_...@yahoo.com
Damn, I see you're back at it full time.
Skipper
>> "Harry Krause" wrote:
>>> You're a whining dumbass. you whine a lot. Grow up. Be a mensch. Or
>>> at least try to fake being a mensch.
> Being nasty is natural for some people here.....Krause, Kanter, jps,
> Gould, Kevin and now Don White.
Krause, Gould and Don White have always been nasty. Their
"contributions" are the major reason this NG is now in the toilet.
--
Skipper
atl_...@yahoo.com
What a shame you're back. The overall tone of the group was quite nice
while you were gone, except for all of the Smithers clones. Even Fritz
shut his ignorant mouth. (I think that's because he missed giving you
your daily nose job, though)
chuckgou...@gmail.com
(I'm entitled to a return salvo.....)
Naw, see his software post just up this thread. He spent his time
"playing with it to see if it really works".
chuckgou...@gmail.com
The gloves are off? Whenever were they on?
Here's hoping Don doesn't "change" to conform to the juvenile standards
of a guy who posts insulting desctions of old photos on the internet.
*JimH*
<chuckgou...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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And indeed it does....just fine. ;-)
So why are you, Krause and Don fascinated with *it*? Should we read
something into that?
*JimH*
<chuckgou...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Old photo? It was the only one I could find of you.
Are you ashamed of what you look like Chuck?
BTW: Still waiting for a link to that *attack* post you claimed I recently
wrote. ;-)
Don White
> JimH,
>
> Harry likes to engage you because he believes he can hurt your feelings. If
> you are smart, you will not take anything said in rec.boats seriously.
>
> For what it is worth, Don is not a bad guy, he is looking for support from
> Harry and the easy way to do that is to take potshots at those Harry
> insults. My guess is Don is a nice enough guy in real life.
>
Not about Harry this time. First post I saw from JimH this morning
after his self-imposed exile, was what I took as a jab at Chuck.
(I'm guessing that likeness on the Tinyurl is supposed to be Chuck)
..and yes I know...Chuck certainly doesn't need me butting in.....*but*..
Starbucker
I have always considered any charity that spends less than 10% of it's
contributions on administration and fund raising, as an extremely reputable
and efficient charity. My favorite charity spends 3% on admin and fund
raising.
The BBB uses 35% for admin and fund raising as their criteria for evaluating
reputable charities. The AIMS is not listed on www.Give.org ,
http://www.charitywatch.org/, or http://www.charitynavigator.org/. This is
normally a red flag.
What percent of AIM's contributions are used for admin and fund raising?
This info was not available on AIMS web site, which is another red flag to
look at the charity closely before contributing.
<chuckgou...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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chuckgou...@gmail.com
No, but I'm distressed to hear that you have aged to the point where
you're reduced to playing with "software". Too bad. Still pretty much a
hardware guy myself, (knock on "wood").
As far as your upthread demand that I produce your "attack
post"...wherever do you suppose I'd find one? I sure didn't see your
name on that list of people
known to be nasty arse flamers in the NG.....oh, but wait,...you
provided the list (and everybody on it was a liberal, imagine)......
Don White
>
>
> Krause, Gould and Don White have always been nasty. Their
> "contributions" are the major reason this NG is now in the toilet.
>
> --
> Skipper
Well, thank the Lord you're back. Maybe things will improve.....!
*JimH*
> Starbucker wrote:
>> JimH,
>>
>> Harry likes to engage you because he believes he can hurt your feelings.
>> If you are smart, you will not take anything said in rec.boats seriously.
>>
>> For what it is worth, Don is not a bad guy, he is looking for support
>> from Harry and the easy way to do that is to take potshots at those Harry
>> insults. My guess is Don is a nice enough guy in real life.
>>
>
> Not about Harry this time. First post I saw from JimH this morning
> after his self-imposed exile, was what I took as a jab at Chuck.
Yep. And what did it have to do with you Don?
> (I'm guessing that likeness on the Tinyurl is supposed to be Chuck)
If that is who you think it is based on the characteristics I listed then
that your option.
*JimH*
<chuckgou...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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I don't know. So where is the recent *attack* post on you that you stated I
authored in your post on October 3rd? You made the claim. If you cannot
produce it I will just assume this is yet another Chuckie lie.
Have a nice day Chuckles.
Don White
> If that is who you think it is based on the characteristics I listed then
> that your option.
>
>
Not quite like that. I'm getting to understand your 'MO'!
*JimH*
>>> Not about Harry this time. First post I saw from JimH this morning
>>> after his self-imposed exile, was what I took as a jab at Chuck.
>> Yep. And what did it have to do with you Don?
>>> (I'm guessing that likeness on the Tinyurl is supposed to be Chuck)
>> If that is who you think it is based on the characteristics I listed then
>> that's your option.
> Not quite like that. I'm getting to understand your 'MO'!
Good. We are getting to know each other better and better each day, and
that is a good thing.
How is your Mom doing Don? (an honest question). As others have said I
also applaud you for taking care of her.
chuckgou...@gmail.com
Starbucker wrote:
> Chuck,
>
> I have always considered any charity that spends less than 10% of it's
> contributions on administration and fund raising, as an extremely reputable
> and efficient charity. My favorite charity spends 3% on admin and fund
> raising.
>
> The BBB uses 35% for admin and fund raising as their criteria for evaluating
> reputable charities. The AIMS is not listed on www.Give.org ,
> http://www.charitywatch.org/, or http://www.charitynavigator.org/. This is
> normally a red flag.
>
> What percent of AIM's contributions are used for admin and fund raising?
> This info was not available on AIMS web site, which is another red flag to
> look at the charity closely before contributing.
I never made any representations as to the specific percentages spent
for programs. I refered those inquiries to our accounting office. Very
few of the donors even gave a rats patoot about the nature of the org's
programs, they were all primarily interested in dumping their boat for
a combinatin of a little cash and a tax writeoff. (IRS approved
"bargain sale")
Less was spent on programs than could have been, but I know of a couple
of similar programs where almost *nothing* was spent on programs.
Enough was spent to qualify as a 501C3.
I am sure the organization spent far more than some on administration
and fund raising
than some groups and far less than others. One of the accounting
problems you run into with a "boat donation" organization is the very
high and continuing cost of maintaining donated vessels and moorage,
etc. There are more costs than are involved with a group that simply
deposits checks into a bank account and then writes smaller checks in
return. I can tell you that the overhead for my services was in the 15%
bracket, (of the boats that I personally received on donation and
resold).
Another challenge is that the percentage would vary from time to time.
When I joined up with this group in Seattle, they were having a real
tough go of it. Very few people were donating boats, and just paying
the office rent and keeping the lights turned on probably used up
something in the high double digits of the money actually coming in.
During the time I was there the number of donations just happened to go
up significantly, (we received an average of one boat per week) and
programs expanded as a result.
The organization may not appear on your approved charities list for a
number or reasons. One of which is that it, and most boat donation
programs, are now out of business due to a change in the tax law. And,
it may never have been run efficiently enough to qualify in the first
place.
We were on some approved lists when I was there in the late 90's, but I
can't remember which lists those were.
Your post is a perfect example. If you had approached me in the late
90's as a prospective boat donor with the concerns you expressed here,
I would have told you; "We do a significant amount funding and
charitable work. Our accounting office can give you more specific
details. Most of our donors are more motivated by the tax benefits than
by the exact nature of the work the Institute does, and the tax
benefits do not change based upon the administrative overhead of any
specific agency or organization. If after checking with your attorney
or tax advisor you want to make a donation but you are not satisfied
with the results of your research into our programs and would prefer to
donate elsewhere, that would be your option. I'm happy to explain who
we are and how the program works- you need to decide if it's the right
thing for you to do, or not. You can always sell your boat directly and
give the cash to whatever group you like." ((Of course 90% of the
boats we received on donations were from sellers who had despaired of
the sales process and just wanted to be "rid" of the boat, so few
thought that continuing a private sales process and donating the cash
was a good idea.))
PocoLoco
Did you forget about *your* posts and those of Harrry?
--
John H
"The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant: It's just that they know so much that isn't so."
Ronald Reagan
P Fritz
"PocoLoco" <PocoL...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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thunder
> Old photo? It was the only one I could find of you.
>
> http://www.boatsafloatshow.com/cgi-bin/show_seminars.pl?seminar=darcy_island&speaker=chuck_gould&stage=b&time=Friday_Sep_16,_1:00
>
Here's another one from about that same time period.
http://continuouswave.com/jimh/index.html
Nice site, by the way.
Starbucker
Many legitimate charities accept car and boat donations
http://www.donateacar.com/charities.html, why would someone want to use the
AIMS Charity to donate their boat verses the ones listed on this web site.
You seem like someone who likes to help the less fortunate, don't you try to
find the most efficient charity before contributing your time, talent or
money to the charity?
Did AIMS offer a higher value, and thus a higher tax write off than the
larger charities?
<chuckgou...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Don White
*JimH*
My Mom passed away earlier this year. She suffered a stroke some 14 or so
years ago and went downhill from there, eventually ending up in a nursing
home for the past 8 or 9 years. Even being at a nursing home took quite a
toll on me and my sisters with weekly visitations and making sure she was
being cared for properly.
Glad to hear your Mom is doing well Don. 91 years young............very
impressive.
Starbucker
I am sorry your mom had to suffer 8 yrs in a nursing home. I sometimes
wonder why as a society, we spend so much time money and effort to extend
someone's life with so little concern for their quality of life. I am not
making any judgment on you or your mom's situation, but I know when it is my
time to go, I have a living will limiting what anyone can do to extend my
life.
The ideal way to go is to go to sleep and not wake up.
" *JimH*" <m...@aol.com> wrote in message
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P Fritz
quality of life left.........my grandfather had a stroke that left him still
aware, but unable to care for himself for 8 years......had it not been for
availible family members to care for gim, he would have had to been placed
in a nursing home.
What I really do not understand are the 50 something people that place their
parents in nursing homes only because they do not want to be
inconvienced......that then visit them at best, once a month.
"Starbucker" <coffee...@columbia.com> wrote in message
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Starbucker
enough to take care of his 91 yr old mother. Even if she is in good health,
and doesn't need nursing care, it still can be trying for two independent
people to suddenly move in together.
I believe in Karma, and this selfish act, will come back to Don. Heck, he
might live a long full life, and then die a quick painless death. ; )
"P Fritz" <paulfritzN...@voyager.net> wrote in message
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*JimH*
what my Mom's situation was and have no right to judge how she stayed alive)
I will address them anyway.
No one was extending her life. She was a fighter.
Yes, she had a living will but she survived without any artificial or
external apparatus keeping her alive. We are not believers in euthanasia.
She lived her hell on earth and is now up in heaven with my Dad.
Frankly I was insulted by your reply, especially your comment about "so much
time and effort with so little concern for their quality of life". How
dare you make such a statement, even when talking about society in general.
I hope your parents and your family never have to go through what my Mom and
family did. But we did so with total regard for her quality of life.
"Starbucker" <coffee...@columbia.com> wrote in message
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Starbucker
Take a long deep breath, and calm down. I have no idea of your mom's
situation, and said that right up front. I also said I was not judging or
commenting on you or your mom's situation. I also do not endorse
euthanasia.
My comment was a comment on society in general, and yes our medical ability
can prolong someone's life beyond their normal life span. I wish more
doctors would say, "it is a good day to die", instead of "what can I do to
keep this person alive a little longer".
My father was on a DNR in the hospital, and I stayed with him for his last
week. I saw the people in his ward who were kept alive way belong their
time. The people who were in a coma, wheeling into dialysis, even though
they were 80 and in a coma.
I stayed with my father to make sure he was allowed to die, and a the
doctors followed his wishes.
You should not be insulted about my comments in anyway, since it was not
directed towards you or anyone in particular. It is my opinion, and one
endorsed by many in the medical profession.
" *JimH*" <m...@aol.com> wrote in message
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*JimH*
especially with that person suffering for an extended period (with dementia
and arthritis) in a nursing home would take offense to your general remarks
about throwing money away (to a nursing home) and not caring about their
loved ones quality of life.
Sorry but that is how I took it. I said what I had to say.
Peace.
"Starbucker" <coffee...@columbia.com> wrote in message
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> JimH,
> Take a long deep breath, and calm down.
<snip>
Don White
>
> My Mom passed away earlier this year. She suffered a stroke some 14 or so
> years ago and went downhill from there, eventually ending up in a nursing
> home for the past 8 or 9 years. Even being at a nursing home took quite a
> toll on me and my sisters with weekly visitations and making sure she was
> being cared for properly.
>
> Glad to hear your Mom is doing well Don. 91 years young............very
> impressive.
>
Sorry to hear about your mom.
Mine took a stroke 3 months after moving in with me(Feb 2003).
Looked dicey in the hospital, but after 2 months there, she was able to
walk with a walker/rollator. She bought herself a good quality
wheelchair and a good rollator and has been doing pretty good. At this
point it's getting hard to get her to exercise (walk around the block
etc) because of knee problems. As long as she's able to feed herself
(not cook) and go to the bathroom, she great here.
I don't think too much about the next step ...putting her in a home...
We'll deal with that when the time comes.
JIMinFL
<chuckgou...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Starbucker
Are you playing JimH?
"Harry Krause" <harry....@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Congratulations. You've been played by Smithers.
*JimH*
That is the best way to do it Don. No one wants to see their loved one in
a nursing home and no use thinking about it.
Glad to hear she is still fairly capable of taking care of herself.
atl_...@yahoo.com
*JimH* wrote:
> Although I do find your comments to be over the edge (as you have no idea
> what my Mom's situation was and have no right to judge how she stayed alive)
> I will address them anyway.
>
> No one was extending her life. She was a fighter.
>
> Yes, she had a living will but she survived without any artificial or
> external apparatus keeping her alive. We are not believers in euthanasia.
>
> She lived her hell on earth and is now up in heaven with my Dad.
>
> Frankly I was insulted by your reply, especially your comment about "so much
> time and effort with so little concern for their quality of life". How
> dare you make such a statement, even when talking about society in general.
>
> I hope your parents and your family never have to go through what my Mom and
> family did. But we did so with total regard for her quality of life.
Gee, that's odd, Jim. You don't seem to mind fabricating stories about
my dead mother. You also don't seem to mind saying nasty little remarks
about my dead mother. Because of your lying, nasty, mean spirited
bullshit you deserve everything you get here. Now be a man.
*JimH*
Now how about dropping it already Jim (Gallow).
"Starbucker" <coffee...@columbia.com> wrote in message
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chuckgou...@gmail.com
Starbucker wrote:
> Chuck,
> Many legitimate charities accept car and boat donations
> http://www.donateacar.com/charities.html, why would someone want to use the
> AIMS Charity to donate their boat verses the ones listed on this web site.
Primarily because of the structure of the proposal itself. Any number
of
organizations will take almost anything of value you'd care to give
them free of charge. Very few organizations will enter into an IRS
approved "bargain sale".
Example: Joe Doaks is trying to sell a boat. He owes $25,000 on a
marine mortgage secured by the boat, and every month the boat remains
unsold costs him about $1000 in moorage, interest, insurance,
maintenance, etc. If he calls "lighthouse for the blind" or something
of that sort, they will be happy to accept title to his boat- after
he's borrowed $25k against his house or pulled the money out of savings
to clear the title. Let's say that an independent appraiser, (marine
surveyor), has inspected Joe's boat and written an expert opinion that
the vessel is worth $125,000. After shelling out the $25k needed to
clear the title, Joe will get a tax write-off of an amount equal to the
fair market value of the vessel. If Joe was in the old 40% bracket,
that tax write off would save him $50,000 in taxes. ( There were
limitations on the amount that could be deducted in any one year, based
upon a percentage of AGI. If Joe couldn't use the entire $50k in one
year, he could carry it forward).
Under a "bargain sale", Joe surrenders his boat for a combination of
cash and
charitable donation. In the above example, an organization might offer
Joe $25,000 in cash for the title to his boat (enough to clear up the
loan without taking out a mortgage on his house or depleting his
savings). Based on the expert opinion of an independent appraiser, Joe
could take a tax write-off of
the fair market value of the vessel less the bargain sale cash.
$125,000 FMV less $25,000 bargain sale cash would leave a tax write-off
of $100,000. In the old 40% bracket, that would leave Joe with a
$40,000 tax savings. Joe effectively realizes $65,000 under the bargain
sale approach ($40k tax savings plus $25k cash) rather than $50,000
under the "straight give-away" approach, and isn't stuck paying for a
boat that is long gone.
>
> You seem like someone who likes to help the less fortunate, don't you try to
> find the most efficient charity before contributing your time, talent or
> money to the charity?
Contribute?? I was a paid fund raiser. It was my livlihood. I don't
remember ever applying anywhere for sainthood. :-) The organization
got a highly effective fundraiser in exchange for a very attractive
income. (15% X 1 boat a week average: do the math- but there were a few
pretty cheap boats in the mix here and there). I took a pretty fair
chunk of cash out of that arrangement, but for every 15 cents I took
out there was 85 cents left over. I saw the local branch of the
organization hire three full-time school teachers to present programs
in public and private schools. I watched it fund and staff a boat-based
summer camp for school kids. I actually participated in some programs,
chiefly by skippering some boatloads of disadvantaged kids on
educational cruises around Lake Union and Lake Washington. Etc, etc.
The honest answer is I can't tell you how much of the 85-cents I passed
through to the organization was used for programs vs. overhead, and for
reasons explained up the thread.
Exactly because the individual deals were as lucrative as they were,
there was no need to misrepresent the program to people. If we got five
leads a week and four fully informed prospects said "no thanks, it's
not for me at this time" there was still more than enough money to be
made doing business with the one fully informed prospect who felt it
was time to just get rid of that darned old boat. :-)
Only people with very little talent for sales need to lie and cheat
their way to a deal. Good salespeople can operate honestly, and a sharp
and ethical salesperson will always make a lot more money than a
crooked one...(the closing ratio is that much higher).
>
> Did AIMS offer a higher value, and thus a higher tax write off than the
> larger charities?
No. We didn't offer or suggest any value at all. Values were determined
by independent marine surveyors, and those same surveys (paid for by
the potential donors) could be used to donate a boat to any
organization of the donor's choice. We had some cases where a donor's
boat wouldn't survey as highly as the donor hoped it would and a
transaction would fall apart as a result. We had other cases where the
potential donor did wind up using the survey value to donate to another
organization. Fine, no problem. There was enough money in the deals
that did go through to carry on rather nicely.
Starbucker
You answered my question as to why someone would use AIM for their boat
donation, Thanks,
<chuckgou...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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PocoLoco
Gee, Kevin, I can't remember *anyone* making nasty remarks about your dead
mother. Did you just make that up along with the other things you make up?
*JimH*
Another fabricated story. Another lie.
How many times do we have to see this tactic before we just dismiss it as
fiction? It seems like quite a common tactic by many on the left.....accuse
someone of a dastardly deed but never produce the proof of the claim when
asked. We even see that on a National scale. How convenient. How
pathetic.
Another case in point.......Gould claimed on 10-3 that I recently posted a
particularly nasty *attack* post about him. When asked to produce that post
has come up empty.
How typical. How pathetic.
Now Kevin is claiming I posted nasty remarks about his Mother.
So I ask once again.........care to produce that post Kevin?
More attacks. More lies.
<yawn>
PocoLoco
DSK has me calling him filthy names, Kevin has you making nasty remarks about
his dead mother. No telling what Harry's latest are. Life must be hell.
*JimH*
<chuckgou...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>> > JimH,
>> >
>> > Harry likes to engage you because he believes he can hurt your
>> > feelings.
>> > If you are smart, you will not take anything said in rec.boats
>> > seriously.
>> >
>> > For what it is worth, Don is not a bad guy, he is looking for support
>> > from
>> > Harry and the easy way to do that is to take potshots at those Harry
>> > insults. My guess is Don is a nice enough guy in real life.
>> >
>>
>> He has yet to prove it to me despit the fact that I have tried to be nice
>> to
>> him.
>>
>> The gloves are off for me with Krause and Gould but I will continue to
>> treat
>> Don with respect. Maybe he can change.
>
>
> Here's hoping Don doesn't "change" to conform to the juvenile standards
> of a guy who posts insulting desctions of old photos on the internet.
>
Yep....we finally agree........the photo I posted of you (taken directly
from the internet) was indeed insulting and tough on the eyes. ;-)
Now most folks would agree that earlier photos of them (as you claim this
one is) are more flattering than those taken when one gets older. Yet
based on your complaint you must be getting better looking the older you
get.
Eh?
Seeing that *you* brought it up......how about some more recent photos of
yourself Chuck? I would certainly not want to portray you in any sort of
negative light of looking years older than you actually are.
Now riddle me that.
Hee-hee. ;-)
chuckgou...@gmail.com
Can't be JimH.
First the last name isn't the same, unless he uses a different handle
in his career as a "Broadcast engineer".
Second, that Jim H professes to be a writer. Not our guy.
*JimH*
<chuckgou...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> thunder wrote:
>> On Tue, 11 Oct 2005 12:44:06 -0400, *JimH* wrote:
>>
>>
>> > Old photo? It was the only one I could find of you.
>> >
>> > http://www.boatsafloatshow.com/cgi-bin/show_seminars.pl?seminar=darcy_island&speaker=chuck_gould&stage=b&time=Friday_Sep_16,_1:00
>> >
>>
>> Here's another one from about that same time period.
>>
>> http://continuouswave.com/jimh/index.html
>>
>> Nice site, by the way.
>
>
> Can't be JimH.
Indeed.
>
> First the last name isn't the same, unless he uses a different handle
> in his career as a "Broadcast engineer".
>
> Second, that Jim H professes to be a writer. Not our guy.
>
I professed to be a writer Chuck?
Care to produce some proof or is this yet another of your "whopper" lies
about me?
*JimH*
>
> <chuckgou...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1129076983.7...@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> thunder wrote:
>>> On Tue, 11 Oct 2005 12:44:06 -0400, *JimH* wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> > Old photo? It was the only one I could find of you.
>>> >
>>> > http://www.boatsafloatshow.com/cgi-bin/show_seminars.pl?seminar=darcy_island&speaker=chuck_gould&stage=b&time=Friday_Sep_16,_1:00
>>> >
>>>
>>> Here's another one from about that same time period.
>>>
>>> http://continuouswave.com/jimh/index.html
>>>
>>> Nice site, by the way.
>>
>>
>> Can't be JimH.
>
>
> Indeed.
>
>
>>
>> First the last name isn't the same, unless he uses a different handle
>> in his career as a "Broadcast engineer".
>>
>> Second, that Jim H professes to be a writer. Not our guy.
>>
>
Edit:
Delete.
A mistake on my part. Yes, I have erasers on my pencils as I am only human.
Sorry.
chuckgou...@gmail.com
If I had your email address, I'd send you a copy of my "jailhouse"
photo from back in the Easy Rider era. :-) My obsessed fan club, (both
of you) would get a real kick out of that one. No telling how many
times you could post it to accompany your flame throwing. But alas, no
email address so no picture for you. :-)
thunder
>> http://continuouswave.com/jimh/index.html
>>
>> Nice site, by the way.
>
>
> Can't be JimH.
Of course not, that JimH posted here under the handle of
Ji...@continuouswave.com until the end of 2001. That JimH was from the
Detroit/Ann Arbor area. We all know that this JimH is from Avon Lake,
Ohio. Now, if I can only figure out why his posts keep resolving to the
Detroit/Ann Arbor area.
atl_...@yahoo.com
No, Kevin is not, that I know of. I however, am. Don't remember, Jim?
Don't remember this:
I asked:
> Where's binLaden?
You replied:
With your mother.
Or this:
>> I am sorry you mom used drugs when she was pregnant with you, but you
>> should
>> not have abused drugs, it was made it worse
You think you are beyond this shit, but only in your own mind. You've
proven what a non-person you are here.