The best sailboat designers
Veljko Roskar
I am trying to compile information on great boat designers (naval architects),
both old ones and the newcomers, along with a list of great boats they built.
My primary interest is in the non-production designs, like German Frers' maxis
and Bruce Farr's Whitbread beauties (does anybody from Oz or N.Z. read this
group?).
Is there a good book that covers this topic? It seems that each architect has
his own personal style but these are rarely mentioned outside of ads for their
mass-produced racers/cruisers.
And I'd love to hear opinions on sailors' favorite designers.
Thank you for your help. Please follow-up to this newsgroup!
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Al Bowers
>And I'd love to hear opinions on sailors' favorite designers.
How about (for small boat designers):
Hobie Alter
Phil Edwards
Frank Bethwaite
John Spencer
Ian Bruce
Bruce Kirby
Just my favorites...
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Roy Smith
> Bruce Kirby
The Sonar's a stupid looking boat. I don't care how many have been
sold, how easy they are to sail, or how fast they go. They look funny. VW
Bugs look funny too, but it's the sort of funny-looking shape that works.
Sonars just look like toy boats. The UPC label on the sail is kind of
cute, though.
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> Hello fellow sailboaters-racers!
>
> I am trying to compile information on great boat designers (naval architects),
> both old ones and the newcomers, along with a list of great boats they built.
>
> My primary interest is in the non-production designs, like German Frers' maxis
> and Bruce Farr's Whitbread beauties (does anybody from Oz or N.Z. read this
> group?).
>
> Is there a good book that covers this topic? It seems that each architect has
> his own personal style but these are rarely mentioned outside of ads for their
> mass-produced racers/cruisers.
>
> And I'd love to hear opinions on sailors' favorite designers.
>
> Thank you for your help. Please follow-up to this newsgroup!
Check out the following book;
Great Yachts and thier Designers
By: Jonathan Eastland
ISBN: 0-8478-0828-9
This is a wonderful book containing the stories of many great
designers and thier boats. It covers everything from yachts
like Brittania to the Americas Cup and Singlehanded Circumnavigations.
Full of great stories and information.
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Ben Reytblat
>
> I am trying to compile information on great boat designers (naval architects),
> both old ones and the newcomers, along with a list of great boats they built.
>
> My primary interest is in the non-production designs, like German Frers' maxis
> and Bruce Farr's Whitbread beauties (does anybody from Oz or N.Z. read this
> group?).
>
I can't give you refernces, but I do have some related experience:
1. I currently own a 1982 Dufour 30, designed by German Frers.
2. This October, I spent about a week as temp crew aboard
the Whitbread ULDB "Fazisi". We raced Teddy Turner Jr's boat
"Challenge America" (nee "The Card") in the Cape Fear river
in Wilmington, NC. I got a chance to meet and chat with
Vladislav Murnikov (sp?), the project director/chief designer.
I'd be happy to share what information I have. Drop me a line
at uunet!sbi.com!brt or uunet!sbi.com!swampthing!brt
Ben Reytblat
Ross Morrissey
>bow...@elxsi.dfrf.nasa.gov (Al Bowers) writes:
>> Bruce Kirby
>
> The Sonar's a stupid looking boat. I don't care how many have been
>sold, how easy they are to sail, or how fast they go. They look funny. VW
>Bugs look funny too, but it's the sort of funny-looking shape that works.
>Sonars just look like toy boats. The UPC label on the sail is kind of
>cute, though.
Yikes, what a way to stimulate discussion...
How about some specifics, as in "It's extreme freeboard makes the Mega 30
the funniest looking boat C&C ever built." or "It can't be safe to sail,
it needs life-lines, and they look funny on anything under 30 feet." On
the other hand, where does appearance rank in the scheme of things when it
comes to evaluating a design. If you feel it's important, than you should
run out and buy an Etchells 22. I've got one, and the number of comments I
get about its appearance is, quite frankly, distracting. It never fails,
if I tie up somewhere new, people want to know everything about it. If
they were in the market for one, they'd know that it was over 30 feet long,
that it had almost a ton of lead, but weighs about 3350 pounds, that it
has no accomodation, that it's a single purpose boat, designed for a crew
of three to race on "Olympic" courses; and it's fast, we use a PHRF rating
of 99 when we race against "Winnebagos" in club races.
I would like to add that I don't think there is such a thing as a stupid
looking sailboat. Except the Optimist (you know, "Every rule has an
exception, except this one"). All comments Roy applied to the Sonar
apply here:)
PS: Add Skip Etchells to the list of NAs.
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> In article <BOWERS.90N...@drynix.dfrf.nasa.gov> bow...@elxsi.dfrf.nasa.gov (Al Bowers) writes:
>>In article <69...@jhunix.HCF.JHU.EDU> ros...@jhunix.HCF.JHU.EDU (Veljko Roskar) writes:
>>
>>>And I'd love to hear opinions on sailors' favorite designers.
>>
>>How about (for small boat designers):
>>
>>Hobie Alter
>>Phil Edwards
>>Frank Bethwaite
>>John Spencer
>>Ian Bruce
>>Bruce Kirby
>
> William Garden
> L. Francis Herreshoff
> Capt. Nat Herreshoff
> Starling Burgess
> Knud Olson
> Bruce King
> William Crosby
> Jack Holt
>
> Greg
You have a lot of names already, I am surprised that nobody
has included the name of Olin Stephens to te list. He certainly
has influenced quite strongly the design of the cruising boats
we have today.
- Lauri Tarkkonen
Michiel Fierst van Wijnandsbergen
>>And I'd love to hear opinions on sailors' favorite designers.
van der Stadt (Netherlands)
Frans Maas (Netherlands)
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Veljko Roskar
>William Atkin
>William Garden
>L. Francis Herreshoff
>Capt. Nat Herreshoff
>Starling Burgess
>Knud Olson
>Bruce King
>William Crosby
>Jack Holt
I heard of the Herreshoffs, Olson and Holt, but what did the others design?
Are they still around, and where do they work?
Where do you think they went to school?
Veljko Roskar
>van der Stadt (Netherlands)
>Frans Maas (Netherlands)
>
What about Neils Jeppesen (sp?) and his X-boats?
Korner MB
>In article <12...@ssp18.idca.tds.philips.nl> mic...@idca.tds.PHILIPS.nl (Michiel Fierst van Wijnandsbergen) writes:
>>van der Stadt (Netherlands)
>>Frans Maas (Netherlands)
>>
>What did ven der Stadt design besides plans for home built boats?
Van der Stadt designed about 500 boats. Only a fraction of these plans
are for home built boats. Among others they designed plans for
Dehler (Germany) who are building a couple of hundred boats a year and
Trintella (Netherlands) who are building boats which cost milions of dollars.
Furthermore they designed a lot of racers that won many races.
Marcel Korner (mbk...@cs.vu.nl)
david.s.isenberg
> In article <69...@jhunix.HCF.JHU.EDU>, ros...@jhunix.HCF.JHU.EDU (Veljko Roskar) writes:
>> Hello fellow sailboaters-racers!
Nathaniel Hereschoff
L. Francis Hereschoff (Rozinante, H12)
William Atkin (Ingrid)
Richard Newick (Val)
Hoyle Schweitzer (Windsurfer)
David (sailed on each one) Isenberg
Greg Bullough
>>William Atkin
A variety of racing and cruising designs, including some really nifty
dinghies and motorboats. He's most famous for the "Eric" and "Ingrid"
Colin Archer types.
>>William Garden
Big, heavy ketches. Like the Tahiti.
>>L. Francis Herreshoff
>>Capt. Nat Herreshoff
>>Starling Burgess
Another of the great American yacht designers. Also a champion of the
20's and 30's style of streamlining. He designed everything from J-boats
to small cruisers.
>>Knud Olson
>>Bruce King
The Ericson line, among others.
>>William Crosby
He was a pioneer in the building of boats with plywood. He also designed,
I think, the Snipe. Did a bit of work with catboats, as well.
>>Jack Holt
>
>I heard of the Herreshoffs, Olson and Holt, but what did the others design?
>
>Are they still around, and where do they work?
John Atkin, William's son, is still working in his father's tradition,
somewhere in New England.
Bruce King is still kicking, as is Holt. The Hereshoffs and Burgess
are long dead; so is Bill Garden. I think Crosby's gone, too.
Greg
John Forbes Hughes
Following up on this topic, I was musing, as I flew to visit my sister for
Thanksgiving, about the influence of designers. Essentially, for most new
ideas in boats, there's someone who does it first, and someone else who
really makes it work. Windsurfing is the classic example, of course, but
catamarans are another. The center-mast catamaran seems to have seen its
modern intruduction with Herreschoff, but finally "made it" with the
development of the Hobie 16. Lots of people have built dinghys, but the
J-24 was the boat that showed us that a sailing dinghy could be more
than 15 feet long and still have the same exciting characteristics.
The list must certainly go on. So here's a chance to exercise your brains
and ask yourself:
What have been the real innovations in sailing in the last couple of
hundred years? Who thought them up? Who made them work?
One that rates high on my list is jiffy-reefing (or slab reefing) and
roller-reefing. I remark on these because each has been invented twice (at
least). You used to reef sails in panels. Certainly some dinghy sailors long
ago had the idea of leaving the extra outhaul line always rigged. But modern
day reefing went from "lower the sail partway, rig the new outhaul, tie in the
new tack, and then tie up all the reef points" to "Roll the boom round and
round to wind up the bottom part of the sail" (early roller reefing) to
"modern" jiffy reefing, in which the second and third outhauls are already
rigged, and the lines are led forward along (or inside) the boom, to "modern"
roller reefing, in which the sail is wound up on a wire just as one would roll
a roller-furling jib; this comes in two flavors: vertical and horizontal.
So can you think of other great re-invented ideas?
-John Hughes
Greg Bullough
>
>I agree that the Etchells 22 is an amazing boat. But the ICs that used to sail
>in SF bay when I was out there (they probably still do)
Almost every weekend, as a matter of fact!
> are even more
>spectacular (pardon me, Ross). Their sail insignia looks like a capital phi,
>or like a capital I with a little C overstruck. I think that the real name
>is something like "International Class."
International One-Design
> They're also just daysailers,
Some people do weekend-cruise them. They have a decent cuddy cabin.
> but they
>have masts that go on forever, and lines of the sort you can only dream about.
...and a class rule AGAINST reef points. Omigawd.
>PS: I think the Optimist is kinda cute, in its own stupid way.
It'd be a nice boat if they'd take it out of the box.
Greg
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> From article <1...@hornet.sbi.com>, by b...@hornet.sbi.com (Ben Reytblat):
>> In article <69...@jhunix.HCF.JHU.EDU>, ros...@jhunix.HCF.JHU.EDU (Veljko Roskar) writes:
>>> Hello fellow sailboaters-racers!
> In my hall of fame:
> L. Francis Hereshoff (Rozinante, H12)
If you mean the Herreshoff 12 1/2, that is one of the Wizard of Bristol's
design's (i.e. Nathaniel's). The 12 1/2 and it's larger sister, the little
known Herreshoff Fish (which looks exactly like a larger 12) are the two most
comfortable boats I have ever sailed on. The Rozinante is bona fide L. Francis
design, and very nice too.
> William Atkin (Ingrid)
> Richard Newick (Val)
> Hoyle Schweitzer (Windsurfer)
> David (sailed on each one) Isenberg
My nominees?
Bowdoin B. Crowninshield I (for family reasons)
The fellows who designed:
International One Designs
Beetle Cats
Dyer Dhow dinghy's (other dinghy's are not worth bothering with).
Also, if anyone knows who designed the Peanut class (a scandinavian sailing
dinghy), I, as the proud owner of one (sail # 2551), would love to know who it
was.
-Tony
A. Joseph Rockmore
maybe i missed the genesis of this thread, but, unless you are talking
strictly about cruising boats or pre-1960 boats, how could you leave
off:
bill lee
george olsen
carl schumaker
rob moore
and all the others of the "santa cruz" school?
and even if you are talking cruising, i'd take some of the boats
designed by these guys any day over a heavy, undercanvassed tank that
can't point worth a damn and can't surf if her life depended on it.
even cruising should be fun.
[gee...i'll bet this gets a rise out of someone.]
...joe
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John Forbes Hughes
>
>I heard of the Herreshoffs, Olson and Holt, but what did the others design?
I can answer two of these:
William Atkin
Any nubmer of build-it-at-home, fine looking, simple cruising designs in
wood, and a simple dinghy that is still being built by lots of folks.
William Crosby
The Crosby Catboat (I believe), and a number of other traditional cruising
designs. I think he is responsible for the Wianno Senior, and perhaps the
Turnabout, too.
-John Hughes
John Forbes Hughes
>
> [...]
>On the other hand, where does appearance rank in the scheme of things when it
>comes to evaluating a design. If you feel it's important, than you should
>run out and buy an Etchells 22.
>
>looking sailboat. Except the Optimist (you know, "Every rule has an
>exception, except this one").
I agree that the Etchells 22 is an amazing boat. But the ICs that used to sail
in SF bay when I was out there (they probably still do) are even more
spectacular (pardon me, Ross). Their sail insignia looks like a capital phi,
or like a capital I with a little C overstruck. I think that the real name
is something like "International Class." They're also just daysailers, but they
have masts that go on forever, and lines of the sort you can only dream about.
If you *really* want a boat that will draw attention and admiration, consider
the Rozinante. Of course, they look best when all their brightwork is in
tip-top condition :-), so you need a full time varnisher to help out...
-John Hughes
Bob Berger
Yeah, some of his designs look like packing crates, but as a novice
builder who appreciates maximum functionality with minimum effort, I
nominate Phil Bolger.
Brian Ehrmantraut
>>And I'd love to hear opinions on sailors' favorite designers.
Robert Perry...
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Robert Andrews
About Time!!!!
>maybe i missed the genesis of this thread, but, unless you are talking
>strictly about cruising boats or pre-1960 boats, how could you leave
>off:
>bill lee
>george olsen
>carl schumaker
>rob moore
^^^----- Do you mean "Ron Moore" as in Moore24???? or Moore30??
if so, Nominate him for one of the best Builders (work that makes owners Proud!)
but not a designer, George OlsOn designed the Moore24, and the 30 was
designed by Gary Mull. I would also add the up and coming Alan Andrews
(no relation, although I did compete against him in college sailing)
for building Bill Lee beaters like the Andrews56 and Andrews52.
I skipper an Olson40 in santa cruz and love to drive it more than anything
else. (except the $$SC70$$)
>and all the others of the "santa cruz" school?
>and even if you are talking cruising, i'd take some of the boats
>designed by these guys any day over a heavy, undercanvassed tank that
>can't point worth a damn and can't surf if her life depended on it.
>even cruising should be fun.
>[gee...i'll bet this gets a rise out of someone.]
> ...joe
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Dave Angelini
Beneuteu/Moorings 432 and 500 's. These are fast and excellent sailboats
that are perfect for scuba dive platforms with the slope transome.
Michael E. Travis
>>In article <69...@jhunix.HCF.JHU.EDU> ros...@jhunix.HCF.JHU.EDU (Veljko Roskar) writes:
>
>>>And I'd love to hear opinions on sailors' favorite designers.
>
> Robert Perry...
>
boat designs and designers.
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Mike Hughes
OK, I haven't seen Carl Alberg go by, so I have to add him to the
discussion. He is responsible for such classic production boats as the
Triton (28) and Alberg 35 by Pearson, the Alberg 30 and Alberg 37 by
Whitby (Canada). All were successful racing boats in their day which
became even more successful as coastal and offshore cruising boats.
Even the little Triton has a number of circumnavigations to its credit.
Alberg also designed most of the Cape Dory line of boats. All of his
designs are among the most beautiful and seaworthy boats on the water.
Since I sail an Alberg 37 I could perhaps be accused of bias!
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A. Joseph Rockmore
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rock...@ads.com (A. Joseph Rockmore) writes:
About Time!!!!
>maybe i missed the genesis of this thread, but, unless you are talking
>strictly about cruising boats or pre-1960 boats, how could you leave
>off:
>bill lee
>george olsen
>carl schumaker
>rob moore
^^^----- Do you mean "Ron Moore" as in Moore24???? or Moore30??
of course i meant ron moore (rob moore being an old friend of mine
who has nothing to do with sailing but caused a freudian slip of the
fingers).
...
...and the 30 was designed by Gary Mull.
how could i forget gary mull, especially since i currently race on a
newport 30, designed by him? i'd also add tom wiley to the list,
designer of the hawkfarm and wiley 34, as well as the outrageous wiley
wabbit (24' long weighing 800 pounds fully rigged! they've been
clocked at over 25 kts surfing.). and then there's ron johnstone (??)
who designed the j-boats (the modern ones), including the j-35, which
is a great boat. any others i left out?
Robert Andrews, Scotts Valley, CA
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>In my hall of fame:
> Nathaniel Hereschoff
> L. Francis Hereschoff (Rozinante, H12)
I'm behind on news, perhaps this correction has already been
pointed out...
Nathaniel Herreshoff (H12)
L. Francis Herreshoff (Rozinante, H14)
1. Nat designed the H12, L.F. stretched the 12 to 14.
2. I believe there are two r's and no c in Herreshoff.
-rcf
John Sully
>maybe i missed the genesis of this thread, but, unless you are talking
>strictly about cruising boats or pre-1960 boats, how could you leave
>off:
>bill lee
>george olsen
>carl schumaker
>rob moore
I was wondering when someone would mention these guys!
The Olson 30 has to be one of the most radical 30's ever built. 18-20 kts
off the wind in Santa Cruz surfin' conditions. It does have it's share of
problems, for instance it has a horrendous tendency to crash when power
reaching (round up), and then there is the famous "Olson death roll" when
going ddw in quartering seas. The class is on the verge of approving a
new rudder which should solve these problems however, and will put this
boat on the "all time great racer" list.
Rob (maybe you're thinking of Ron) Moore designed the Moore 24 in the early
70's. It was probably the first of the Santa Cruz school boats, and to my
mind it may still be the best. The fleet in Santa Cruz is still going strong
and the boat is really fun to sail.
John
Bill Brown
Your Own Back Yard." He didn't do much in the way of fancy boats with
tailfins and such, but his designs strike me as pleasing. Simple. Straight-
forward.
-bill
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>
> [...] i'd also add tom wiley to the list,
>designer of the hawkfarm and wiley 34, as well as the outrageous wiley
>wabbit (24' long weighing 800 pounds fully rigged! they've been
>clocked at over 25 kts surfing.).
This reminds me of another person to add to the list of remarkable (although
perhaps not "great") designers: Rod McAlpine-Downie {I think I've spelled that
right}.
He designed a number of catamarans, especially C-Class cats. I believe that
he was the designer of the Hellcat 3-S that I used to own. It was 25 feet
long (no surprise) and weighed 450 lbs, all up. It was clocked at well
*over* 25 kts, in flat water. My father broke the mast on it while racing
a Boston Whaler in Sippican Harbor. The whaler with the 40 horse engine
was losing until the spreader failed...
-John Hughes
John Forbes Hughes
:OK, I haven't seen Carl Alberg go by, so I have to add him to the
:Triton (28) and Alberg 35 by Pearson, the Alberg 30 and Alberg 37 by
:Whitby (Canada). All were successful racing boats in their day which
:became even more successful as coastal and offshore cruising boats.
:Even the little Triton has a number of circumnavigations to its credit.
:Alberg also designed most of the Cape Dory line of boats. All of his
:designs are among the most beautiful and seaworthy boats on the water.
:
:Since I sail an Alberg 37 I could perhaps be accused of bias!
Yes! Yes! He's biased for sure. But he's also right. Of course, I too
could be biased. I sail another A37.
Along the same lines, I'd put in Tripp as a designer whose work
I respect, especially in the cruising domain. And Rhodes--a whole
generation learned to sail on Rhodes 19s (perhaps I exaggerate a little)
and the Rhodes Swiftsure is one of the prettiest boats I've ever seen.
I really wanted to buy one, but the fiberglass work is getting really
tired on all of them by now...
-John Hughes
Daniel McGehee
>
> rock...@ads.com (A. Joseph Rockmore) writes:
>
>
> About Time!!!!
> >maybe i missed the genesis of this thread, but, unless you are talking
> >strictly about cruising boats or pre-1960 boats, how could you leave
> >off:
>
> >bill lee
> >george olsen
> >carl schumaker
> >rob moore
> ^^^----- Do you mean "Ron Moore" as in Moore24???? or Moore30??
>
>of course i meant ron moore (rob moore being an old friend of mine
>who has nothing to do with sailing but caused a freudian slip of the
>fingers).
>
>clocked at over 25 kts surfing.). and then there's ron johnstone (??)
>who designed the j-boats (the modern ones), including the j-35, which
I can't resist........Do you mean "Rod Johnstone" designer of the J-24,
another great boat |-). Has anyone mentioned Bob Evelyn. He was
designing and building hot little speedsters well before the
Johnstone explosion. My Dad had an Evelyn 26 which was very quick when
and if you had all the controls set right. We finally decided that
you needed a crew of six or seven strong, quick, 80-100 lb people,
all of whom knew the boat perfectly and liked to furl lines all day.
Mr. Evelyn is certainly an innovator but running backstays on a 26
foot boat?! There were times when we had other names for him....
He finally sold the Evelyn and bought a J-22. He and I can race this
one, without all the crew and most of all, its fun just to take out for
a sail. The J-boat designs are great in their simplicity as well as
their performance.
Dan McGehee
ds...@uncmed.med.unc.edu
Chapel Hill, NC USA
Bernd Stramm
and whoever did Eric Tabarly's tri? Seems hard to argue with the speed they
get on long distances.
Then of course, there's my dad, who designed and built 52' Tafira.
You might not like her (she's kind of heavy), but she's ours, has never
failed us, so we love her :-)
Bernd
Brian Hughes
>in SF bay when I was out there (they probably still do) are even more
>spectacular (pardon me, Ross). Their sail insignia looks like a capital phi,
>or like a capital I with a little C overstruck. I think that the real name
>is something like "International Class."
IC = InterClub
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Gerry Gleason
poster who said that the catamaran was "perfected" with the Hobie 16.
Not to say that it isn't an excellent design, but modern multihulls
began to develop in the 50's long before Hobie. Further, the Hobie
is an easy to rig/sail fun boat with good, but not excellent sailing
characteristics, but it is excellent for its intended purposes, and
its popularity makes for very competitive one design racing.
Someone already nominated Dick Newick, and I second that nomination.
I'm suffering from some amount of bit-rot here, so someone might have
to correct this information. I think the designers name is Rudy Cheoy
or something close to that. He mostly designed big cats, starting with
large beach cats in Hawaii. The guy our family bought our Iroqios from
replaced it with a '40 Cheoy designed ketch (custom built for him), and
the only other two cats in the Chicago area bigger than our 30 footer
where designed by him as well. All good boats, seaworthy and fast.
Piver (Arther?) should also be recognized for his easy to build multi-hull
designs targeted at the home builder. I've sailed on an example of his
24 footer, which is pretty light and fast with pretty good (although
limited) accomidations. Most of his designs are heavier cruising oriented
designs. I think it was the second season we had the cat; when we came in
from a Sunday daysail, there was a '40 Piver, mast on the deck, tied to
the wall. Of course we went over there immediately, and met Hollis Holbrook,
a 65 year old tool and die maker who didn't know anything about sailing,
but had just spent the last six years building this boat. Holly sailed with
us the rest of the season, finished fitting out his boat, and we sailed with
him off and on after we sold the cat. He used to joke that he could take
it down to the Virgin Islands to chase some virgins. I know he took the
boat south, but I don't know if he ever really got to the islands.
Gerry Gleason
John Forbes Hughes
>I'd like to focus a little on multihulls. I have to disagree with the
>poster who said that the catamaran was "perfected" with the Hobie 16.
You may be referring to me. I didn't say it was perfected, but rather
that the Hobie 16 was the boat that took the multihull innovation and
brought it "to the people", much as the "windsurfer" took the sailboard
design and made it a truly popular craft, although there are now many others
that are far superior sailboards.
(The catamaran was perfected, any number of times, by whatever the current
winner of the Little America's Cup was; the Patient Lady series of boats
was truly amazing. :-) )
>[...]
>Piver (Arther?) should also be recognized for his easy to build multi-hull
>designs targeted at the home builder. [...] Most of his designs are heavier
>cruising oriented >designs. [...]
> [Story of a fellow with a Piver] He used to joke that he could take
>it down to the Virgin Islands to chase some virgins. I know he took the
>boat south, but I don't know if he ever really got to the islands.
Perhaps he's off cruising in the same place as Arthur Piver. :-)
I can't agree with the idea that Piver is to be recognized for his designs.
They're easy to build, and they're pretty rotten designs. They're certainly not
reliable cruising boats. Piver went to sea in one of his, and (I believe)
never returned and was never found.
>Gerry Gleason
-John Hughes
Michael Goldbaum
the largest one design sailboat fleet in the world. Also was instrumental
in founding the Snipe Class International Racing Association (SCIRA)
which hosts Hemisphere and World Championship international Snipe
regattas.
Although originaly built with (and designed for) plywood, the
present day Snipe is usually made out of fiberglass. The design is
basically unchanged except for a reduction in weight (40 lbs) and
the introduction of double hulls with self bailing cockpits.
Brad Cote' [bc...@ucsd.edu]
Snipe Fleet 495, Mission Bay Yacht Club.
Frank Cannavale III
I currently have a 1987 Wellcraft Antigua. It's a 26' cruiser with a
single 260HP Merc I/O.
I want to trade up. I don't like servicing the sterndrive (too
much hard work, and too many exposed bits and pieces). I want
more room. Etc... You know the story :)
Question is...
I'm single and don't have a first mate - mate; therefore, I single
handle the boat often. The 26' footer is really easy to get in and out
of the the slip without any help. It backs in very easily, really! The
windshield is a walk-through design, so it easy to slip the lines on and
off the cleats. I'm looking a 31-32 foot express cruisers (Wellcraft
St Tropez or Sea Ray 310) and need to know:
1) How easy (or difficult) would it be to get on into and out of
its slip. (I'd get the twin inboard version.)
2) Any idea about waterskiing behind something that big? I think the
weight is about 8K to 10K lbs. I'd get the largest engines available,
of course since I made the mistake of getting just the standard engine
in the 26' I currently own.
I talked to someone at a boat show who did some skiing behind a 34',
but don't remember the comments. (Except for the fact that he used a
lot of fuel) We are not SERIOUS skiers, but we do
get into a little slalom. The wake from a 5K lb (6K w/ equipment, fuel,
water, and passengers) boat just makes it more of a challenge. :)
BTW I like to ski in the ocean. So far, the best place I've found
is down by Ocean City, MD. Pretty calm water (more so that the lake
I used to boat on) and no traffic, jet skis, or fishermen nearby.
Plus you can go 6-7 miles without the boat turning! Good luck hanging
on that long...
Thanks!
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"The Social Democratic government on Friday began dismantling the welfare state
it built, proposing sharp cuts in benefits and state jobs to stop the country's
economic decline." -- AP Stockholm, Sweden 10/26/90~
Too bad the US Congress doesn't read the news, it could learn something.
William
> How about docking?
Docking with a twin engine boat is a pleasant surprise once you get
used to it. You can literally spin a boat on a dime after you
spend a couple calm afternoons practicing (preferably with
nobody watching:-)
> What about waterskiing behind something over 30 feet?
I've waterskiied behind boats like this several times. I don't
recommend it, for several reasons:
1. The wake is *hairy* unless you like catching a lot of air
when you cross.
2. You burn an unbelieveable amount of gas, and
3. The sort of wake you throw at the speed is the moral equivalent
of terrorism. Of course, if you're skiing in the ocean, that may
not matter to you.
Boyce