Is the Sugar Sand Heat Jet Boat discontinued?
Rob H
J. Hill
well-being, since they didn't update their website for 2000 until March. I
am looking for a used Tango myself- seems to be a quality product.
I went to the Little Rock boat show and saw Sugar Sand there and they had a
Heat, but I didn't ask if it was a '99 or a 2000.
J. Hill
Rob H wrote in message ...
Rob H
Great deal,12000 with a trailer and i can tow it with a car.
<tyrus AT writeme.com (Tyrus)> wrote in message
news:38d6777e...@news2.wt.net...
> I know that a dealer in Houston had two 99's not too long ago. Try
> checking with your local dealerships to see if they have them... not
> sure if they are discontinued, but it looks that way from their
> website. Oh, and I had to call Sugar Sand and ask who their local
> dealers were, and they were very helpful.
Tyrus
Tyrus
<ro...@ameritech.net.NOSPAM> wrote:
>I already bought one but was wondering why it wasn't on their site.
>Great deal,12000 with a trailer and i can tow it with a car.
>
Ah, cool. How do you like it? What's your opinion of it? I'd love
to have a jet boat to goof around in.
Larry W4CSC
Don't hesitate. I love my '97 Sea Rayder F16XR2. Just make sure your
jetboat is powered with the V-6 2.5L Merc Sport Jet and you can't go
wrong. Stay away from jetski powered and the Force-powered 90 and
120hp Sport jets. SeaDoo has abandoned their own engines for the V-6
Sport Jets!
larry.....Race ya to the seabouy, but not this morning in the rain.
Rob H
50% better gas mileage, weighs about 400 pounds less (i tow with a car), has
a stereo, has a single throttle/gear control (sea doo has 3!) and has 1 merc
engine instead of 2 rotaxes. It is only 120hp but I only carry me and my
wife anyway so it's no big deal,I use it on small inland lakes. I can't wait
to get it!
Plus,it was $1000 less than the seadoo-came with a trailer/jackets/marien
radio and safety kit/5 year warranty on the hull and engine, the salesman
really took care of me on it. I was going to buy a sea doo gsx jet ski for
$5000, for $5000 more,I can use it at night,in cold water and carry friends.
I have limited towing cap and storage area so a small jet like this is
perfect for me since I don't go on the ocean, just rivers and inland lakes
in ohio.
rob
Larry W4CSC wrote in message <38d60395...@corp.supernews.com>...
Larry W4CSC
the 90hp 3-cyl, has a kind of poor record.....
Go to any Mercury dealer....before you buy it. Ask him to look at the
120hp maintenance bulletins and recalls in his book. I remember
seeing a few when I was looking at the only one for the 175 V-6 (oil
injection). Just so you are informed before you buy it.
Larry
On Mon, 20 Mar 2000 11:18:34 -0500, "Rob H" <ro...@ameritech.net>
wrote:
Rob H
problems and he said as long as I kept oil in it and had it winterized that
they last a long time, hopefully he is right...
Larry W4CSC wrote in message <38d6560a...@corp.supernews.com>...
Rob Hrehor
will fly on a smooth lake. I will give you some of my pros and cons...
Pros: EAsy to trailer, take care of and haul. Fast and very nimble. I'm in my
late 20's and its a fun, sporty ski boat that will do almost everything I ask it
to. Very safe in the manner that there is no prop to chop people up with. It's
also good because you cant back over a ski rope.
Cons: Fairly bouncy when in choppy water. This is because there is nothing in
the water to act as a rutter or stabilizer. (In smooth water it's a dream). My
sugar sand boat had alot of little problems when I got it. It's in the shop
right now and they are taking care of all of it under warrantee. Nothing major
though.... Only minor...
I'll tell you the best thing that I have found is Sugar Sands customer service.
I bought it and there were little things wrong with it. The nearest dealer was
4.5 hours away so going back there for minor things was out of the question.
The guy from corporate sat on the phone with me for a few hours on several
occasions and walked me through it all. Come on, how great was that.
Everything I have asked them to do, they have done without questions. I even
paid the dealer $400 for a fitting boat cover that he had to order. Guess what,
they did not charge him and the dealer did not charge me. I have really been
nothing but pleased with my sugar sand and I count myself lucky. Lucky because
if you read some of the posts about other manufacturers, you will see that
Sugar Sand is VERY good to their customers. I'm not in any way associated with
Sugar Sand. I'm in Atlanta, GA. IF anyone wants a reference on SS, mail me and
I'll sing their praises. Rob
Larry W4CSC
wrote:
>The 120 in mine said Mercury in it. I asked about any potential engine
>problems and he said as long as I kept oil in it and had it winterized that
>they last a long time, hopefully he is right...
>
He was either trying to rip you off or was simply ignorant. There is
NO winterization procedure on the Mercury Sport Jet! The engine
self-drains each and every time it is shut down.....IT'S AN OUTBOARD!
What would he winterize in a DRY engine?? Ask him to show you the
winterization procedure in the Sport Jet Service Manual. There isn't
one in mine. BS??
They all said Mercury on them. But, in fact, they were the now
defunct Force 90 and 120 powerheads sitting on the early version of
Mercury's jet drive. The 175 is a computer-controlled, 2.5L Mercury
V-6 with 3 double carbs and computer-controlled enrichment for smooth
and fast starts....no chokes and all that crap....
Winterize it.....tilt it up to make sure all the water ran out.
Change the pump and gearbox oil if it makes you feel better. Store
the battery somewhere warmer. What else can you do to a DRY engine??
Larry....
PT Barnum was wrong.....it's every 8 seconds.
Larry W4CSC
wrote:
> It's also good because you cant back over a ski rope.
>
Great post, Rob....right up to HERE!
If you back over a ski rope, you won't soon forget it. Sucked up into
the pump it wraps around the impeller so tight we had to hacksaw it
all apart, after disassembling the intake grate.
PLEASE don't let your pump get ANYWHERE NEAR a piece of ROPE!!!
Larry.....not my Sport Jet.....a friends, thank God!
Harry Krause
Clean, fog, grease.
--
Harry Krause
------------
Teenagers: Your punishment for enjoying sex.
Karl Denninger
An "accidental" loss of a rope over the transom does wonders for the
asshole jetskis who love to jump your wake at a range of a few feet off
your stern :-)
--
--
Karl Denninger (ka...@denninger.net) Web: http://childrens-justice.org
Isn't it time we started putting KIDS first? See the above URL for
a plan to do exactly that!
Rob Hrehor
boat. Maybe I was misinformed, the dealer I bought it from told me that
it would be very hard to suck it through the grate. Maybe I believe too
much. Thanks for the clarification.
About the winterizing, maybe I was ripped off here too but I paid $40.00
to have the engine fogged and gas stableizer added. Your probably going
to tell me that I could have done it myself for like $4.00 right? Live
and learn. Tell me how stupid I am... go ahead.
BTW, where is VinBeenie? He used to give good information on Jet Boats.
Rob
J. Hill
engine still uses the old Force serial numbers but the engine had been
"Mercurized" as he put it. He said MercuryMarine strengthened some key parts
including engine bearings and such. I do know that for '96 they upgrated
the pistons and rings to a 1/2 keystone design. In '96 they also put a newly
designed stator and also a redesigned impeller that supposedly increased
performance. Figures, they did all this the year after mine was built.
Mine's on the auction block right now so I can upgrade to a 175HP 16 footer
(Sea Rayder, Tango).
I ran mucho hours on mine last year (approx. 100+) and never had a problem.
For extra insurance I splurged on Quaker State Synthetic 2-stroke oil from
Wal-mart ($18/quart). I also pre-mixed some in the gas tank for a little
extra protection (started at 60:1, got smoked out. Went to 100:1 and still
got some smoke but not too bad-mostly at start-up). Anyway, I did a
compression test at the end of the season and got around 150psi for all
cylinders which I was happy with.
I'm still waiting for the dreaded stator problem that I've heard about in
the Force (MercuryMarine, whatever it is) motor.
Jeff Hill
Rob H wrote in message
>The 120 in mine said Mercury in it. I asked about any potential engine
>problems and he said as long as I kept oil in it and had it winterized that
>they last a long time, hopefully he is right...
>
>
>Larry W4CSC wrote in message <38d6560a...@corp.supernews.com>...
>>The 120 was a Force, not Mercury, engine. The 120, while better than
>>the 90hp 3-cyl, has a kind of poor record.....
>>
>>Go to any Mercury dealer....before you buy it. Ask him to look at the
>>120hp maintenance bulletins and recalls in his book. I remember
>>seeing a few when I was looking at the only one for the 175 V-6 (oil
>>injection). Just so you are informed before you buy it.
>>
>>Larry
>>
>>On Mon, 20 Mar 2000 11:18:34 -0500, "Rob H" <ro...@ameritech.net>
>>wrote:
>>
Jack Redington
little brother sucked his very high quality line in Sea-Raider and it
was a small fortune to repair. He had made the line the lenght sp it
would not reach the stren. But forgot that the boat sucked water more
forward. Bent the shaft..
Capt Jack R.
Phoenix
Do you really have problems with jetskiers jumping a "few feet" off of your
stern? We had this problem in the past, but it seems to have disappeared in
the last few years when they instituted tough new laws and required safety
classes for jet skiers.
If someone was too close to my transom I would just slow down and let them
move on, I know the last thing I would do throw a rope over.
--
Jim
"Karl Denninger" <ka...@Genesis.Denninger.Net> wrote in message
news:8b6csu$olp$0...@dosa.alt.net...
Larry W4CSC
psi....(c; I must be doing something right. I run 60:1 gas with the
stock oil injection....most of the time....when I remember to add oil.
Maybe running it a little leaner with a tiny bit of oil is why the
plugs stay so clean, a nice brown color and have run 400 hours, still
running fine on the first try.
Mine smokes like crazy when you first start it after it has set a
week. I believe the reason is the gas in the carb float bowls has
evaporated leaving a very rich oil mixture. When we prime the carbs,
we prime it with the oil-rich gas in the tubing between the injection
pump T and the carbs...there's oil in that section....making the
mixture even more rich. I like the idea of spewing gobs of oil on
those crankcase bearings that have been draining into the bottom of
the crankcase all week, don't you? Smoke assures me it's got LOTs of
lube!
Larry...Storm over....Race ya to the seabouy!
Larry W4CSC
You're driving the biggest vacuum cleaner on the lake! ANYTHING can
get sucked up into 60 gallons per SECOND!! Even at dead idle, there's
probably 2 gallons per second sucking up through there.....
You need a new dealer. One who will tell you the TRUTH.
Larry
On Mon, 20 Mar 2000 19:24:49 -0500, Rob Hrehor <B...@mindspring.com>
Larry W4CSC
<capt...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>Not that it's the same thing, Grate's my differ I do not know. But my
>little brother sucked his very high quality line in Sea-Raider and it
>was a small fortune to repair. He had made the line the lenght sp it
>would not reach the stren. But forgot that the boat sucked water more
>forward. Bent the shaft..
>
>Capt Jack R.
>
OUCH!! THAT HURTS!! And I was no where near it!!!
Larry....
If the rope looks like it's going under HIT THE OFF BUTTON
IMMEDIATELY!! DON'T HESITATE!!
J. Hill
know there's oil keeping things lubed up. However, I have got some
strange looks from some folks when I start it up after about a week of
sitting. There is a good sized smoke cloud hanging around. Some of them
probably think I have a 4 cycle engine under that hood (like an I/O)
that is shot to pieces because it is smoking so much. Then we blast
away from the dock area (after idling out past the no wake zone, of
course) while they all stare. I guess they thought it was going to blow
up or something.
Either that, or they are going to call the enviro-cops on me for a
little smoke. But, hey, I'm environmental concious too. I figure it
would take MercuryMarine a lot of steel, plastic, natural gas, water,
etc. to produce another sport jet if I blow this one up from lack of
lubrication. So, maybe we are, in the end, doing the planet a favor. By
the way, my boat is on the auction block so we can upgrade to a
(JET)boat with a bigger payload capacity. This Bayliner Jazz only can
carry 450 lbs. Looking for a slightly used Tango or Sea Rayder. But I
have to sell, or should I say give this Jazz away first.
Jeff Hill
No thanks on the racing challenge. Maybe next time.
Larry W4CSC
The gnats at my fav boat landing, this year, can stampede elephants.
So, the smoke is a welcome relief to being eaten alive! I've never
seen them so bad. I've recommended we rename our Mosquito Abatement
Dept. of county gummit into Gnat Abatement Dept. so the loafers
sitting around the coffee pot can DO something for their money. So
far, no takers.
Larry
Harry Krause
>
> The gnats at my fav boat landing, this year, can stampede elephants.
> So, the smoke is a welcome relief to being eaten alive! I've never
> seen them so bad. I've recommended we rename our Mosquito Abatement
> Dept. of county gummit into Gnat Abatement Dept. so the loafers
> sitting around the coffee pot can DO something for their money. So
> far, no takers.
>
> Larry
Got "no-see-ums?"
Rob H
Does the Heat have a bilge pump system? I don't remember seeing an outlet on
there. Also, is the 4 person 600 lb weight limit etched in stone?4 adults
tend to weigh more than 150 each in todays world, if I don't blast full
throttle will it hurt the engine or anything? Also, my dealer is giving me a
cover and life jackets with the boat, is this normal? Do they normally come
with te safety kit (horn,flares,etc,to make me legal with the coast guard?
Larry W4CSC wrote in message <38d8ca79...@corp.supernews.com>...
Larry W4CSC
wrote:
>Larry W4CSC wrote:
>>
>> The gnats at my fav boat landing, this year, can stampede elephants.
>> So, the smoke is a welcome relief to being eaten alive! I've never
>> seen them so bad. I've recommended we rename our Mosquito Abatement
>> Dept. of county gummit into Gnat Abatement Dept. so the loafers
>> sitting around the coffee pot can DO something for their money. So
>> far, no takers.
>>
>> Larry
>
>
>Got "no-see-ums?"
Nope....SC gnats are easily spotted. They look like MIG-29s with no
jet engines.
Larry W4CSC
wrote:
>Hey Larry
>
>Does the Heat have a bilge pump system? I don't remember seeing an outlet on
>there. Also, is the 4 person 600 lb weight limit etched in stone?4 adults
>tend to weigh more than 150 each in todays world, if I don't blast full
>throttle will it hurt the engine or anything? Also, my dealer is giving me a
>cover and life jackets with the boat, is this normal? Do they normally come
>with te safety kit (horn,flares,etc,to make me legal with the coast guard?
>
Sorry, you'll have to ask SugarSands about that. Call 'em. We have
no dealer and have never seen one around Charleston. My boat is the
Sea Rayder F16XR2 from Sea Ray. It had a chinzy 450gph Atwood and a
damned MANUAL switch, nearly useless. I bored out the hole in the
hull from the tiny hose and put in a proper 1 1/4" Marelon fitting to
hook to the 1000gph Rule. The Rule has two independent circuits to
pull from....the original SeaRay manual switch through the SeaRay
electrical system, the one with the inline fuses all over the place
(stupid?) and a new Rule magnetic float switch in the bilge going
through my proper fuse panel. The float switch also sets of a LOUD
piezoelectric beeper alarm that can be heard on the beach, easily, as
we anchor the boats off the beach away from the wave action. A diode
inline with the float switch to pump wire, prevents the beeper from
going off when you run the manual switch. It's rated at 6A, 400PIV
and fused at 5A. I don't know why Sea Ray didn't install a FLOAT
SWITCH, which seems kinda stupid......
If you leave both plugs out of my boat, the huge pump only cycles
about 40% duty cycle, raising hell on the beeper. Sinking is NOT an
option....(c;
I don't see any bilge pump outlet on the SS pictures. Their bilge
pump MAY pump out into the jetpump seachest, however, which wouldn't
show on the pictures. My big cockpit drain system has a HUGE outlet
inside that cavity on the starboard side of the pump in the
fiberglass.
Larry....
Try not to bait any outdrive guys into chasing you into 2' of water,
ok?