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F.O.A.D.

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May 21, 2013, 8:12:32 AM5/21/13
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Conservative Ramesh Ponnuru, senior editor for National Review:

Watch the way the Republicans are handling today’s controversies
and it’s easy to see how their tactics could backfire again. You would
expect that Senator Lindsey Graham, who helped to lead the impeachment
proceedings against Clinton, had learned to be cautious in pursuing a
scandal. Yet he decided to tie the Benghazi investigation explicitly to
the 2016 presidential race, saying that the controversy would doom
Hillary Clinton. If Graham were a Democratic plant trying to make the
investigation look like a merely partisan exercise, he couldn’t have
done better.

The biggest danger for Republicans in giving themselves over to
scandal mania is one that the conventional retelling of the Clinton
impeachment neglects. Republicans didn’t lose seats simply because they
overreached on Clinton’s perjury. Social Security was the top issue for
more than twice as many voters, and Republicans lost that issue by 18
percentage points. Even more voters cared about education, which
Republicans lost by 34 points. They lost on health care and the economy
by similar margins. [T]hey didn’t try to devise a popular agenda, or to
make their existing positions less unpopular. That’s what cost them --
that, and the mistake of counting on statistics about sixth-year
elections, which also bred complacency.

Republicans have similar vulnerabilities on the issues now. They
have no real health-care agenda. Voters don’t trust them to look out for
middle-class economic interests. Republicans are confused and divided
about how to solve the party’s problems. What they can do is unite in
opposition to the Obama administration’s scandals and mistakes. So
that’s what they’re doing. They’re trying to win news cycles when they
need votes.

Conservative Stuart Rothenberg concurs:

[L]et’s not forget: Republicans failed to capitalize on President
Bill Clinton’s inappropriate conduct by over-playing their hand and
pushing impeachment. Not only did they fail to drive him from office,
the GOP ended up losing a handful of House seats in the 1998 midterms
instead of adding seats as initially expected.

Republicans allowed themselves to look as if they were primarily
interested in scoring political points and overturning the results of
the 1996 election, even if it meant paralyzing the government.

That same danger exists once again for the GOP.
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JustWaitAFrekinMinute

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May 21, 2013, 10:36:09 AM5/21/13
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On 5/21/2013 10:20 AM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
> The biggest issue I see in all of these debacles is how much Obama
> "didn't know". His senior advisors are either not advising him or he
> is lying.
> Giving him the benefit of the doubt makes him very detached from the
> actual operation of the government that he says he is in charge of.
>
> It makes you wonder, who is actually running the country?
>
> Probably the same people who have run the country for the last 25
> years. Those people who brought us GHWB.
>

Are you watching the Zars, and the Administration flunkies in DEP,
Justice, etc... they are running the country.... into a ditch..

F.O.A.D.

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May 21, 2013, 11:58:06 AM5/21/13
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On 5/21/13 10:20 AM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
> The biggest issue I see in all of these debacles is how much Obama
> "didn't know". His senior advisors are either not advising him or he
> is lying.
> Giving him the benefit of the doubt makes him very detached from the
> actual operation of the government that he says he is in charge of.
>
> It makes you wonder, who is actually running the country?
>
> Probably the same people who have run the country for the last 25
> years. Those people who brought us GHWB.
>


The biggest issue seems to be the inability of the GOP to make this an
issue so it can ignore the real issues facing this country.

F.O.A.D.

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May 21, 2013, 12:38:46 PM5/21/13
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Actually, it is the morons on your side of the aisle who are destroying
this country, shithead.

JustWaitAFrekinMinute

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May 21, 2013, 12:40:38 PM5/21/13
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Wow, harry krause said it, guess it's set in stone... LOL! harry, you
are not a reasonable man.

JustWaitAFrekinMinute

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May 21, 2013, 12:42:50 PM5/21/13
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The trashing of the first amendment and using the IRS to stifle the vote
is probably the most important thing to anybody who is paying attention
and isn't getting that free Obama phone you brag about all the time...

iBoaterer

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May 21, 2013, 12:49:29 PM5/21/13
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In article <kng0hd$1so$1...@dont-email.me>, justwaitaf...@gmail.com
says...
More insanity!

iBoaterer

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May 21, 2013, 12:50:10 PM5/21/13
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In article <kng7qu$bni$1...@dont-email.me>, justwaitaf...@gmail.com
says...
This from the insane fool who comes here and spouts insane crap about
liberals without any shred of evidence or fact.
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F.O.A.D.

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May 21, 2013, 1:26:46 PM5/21/13
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IRS agents are at polling places? Moron.

JustWaitAFrekinMinute

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May 21, 2013, 2:39:02 PM5/21/13
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Dozens of non profits including voter registration groups and groups
that bus voters to vote (just like the dems do) were eliminated in Ohio
by questions such as "do you pray" and "what do you pray for" as well as
other intimidation... Hundreds of Obama "enemies" were audited to death,
from '08 right through the last election in an effort to suppress the
republican vote... Now, call me a bunch of names cause we know it's
all you got.. LOL!

*e#c

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May 21, 2013, 3:05:17 PM5/21/13
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On May 21, 12:49 pm, iBoaterer <iB...@grmail.com> wrote:
> In article <kng0hd$1s...@dont-email.me>, justwaitafrekinmin...@gmail.com
More Roid Rage !!!!!

iBoaterer

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May 21, 2013, 3:09:01 PM5/21/13
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In article <kng7v2$bni$2...@dont-email.me>, justwaitaf...@gmail.com
says...
Okay, I'll bet, as usual, you don't have a cogent answer, but I have to
ask, and I'll bet you'll also ignore this, but what and how did the IRS
"stifle the vote" of anybody?

iBoaterer

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May 21, 2013, 3:10:02 PM5/21/13
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In article <kngeou$o7c$1...@dont-email.me>, justwaitaf...@gmail.com
says...
I'm going to just bet that you don't have ANYTHING to back up your
insane allegations, right?

F.O.A.D.

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May 21, 2013, 3:27:31 PM5/21/13
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Got a list of these dozen of non-profits, and an actual, real, non-Fox
News, non-right-ring batshit crazy news site to site?

Tim

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May 21, 2013, 6:58:52 PM5/21/13
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On May 21, 6:12 am, "F.O.A.D." <no...@jose.com> wrote:
> Conservative Ramesh Ponnuru, senior editor for National Review:
>
>      Watch the way the Republicans are handling today’s controversies


Harry are you allergic to simply providing a link?

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-05-20/-obama-scandals-could-actually-hurt-republicans.html


BAR

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May 22, 2013, 7:26:11 AM5/22/13
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In article <2712347f-e606-45b0...@b2g2000yqe.googlegroups.com>,
tsch...@gmail.com says...
>
> On May 21, 6:12 am, "F.O.A.D." <no...@jose.com> wrote:
> > Conservative Ramesh Ponnuru, senior editor for National Review:
> >
> >      Watch the way the Republicans are handling today?s controversies
>
>
> Harry are you allergic to simply providing a link?
>
> http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-05-20/-obama-scandals-could-actually-hurt-republicans.html

Of course Harry is allergic to providing a link. When he includes the entire article he gets
to edit it and often times he leaves out the parts of the article that don't support his
point of view or he changes words.
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