Sad day for the union..
John H
education process in Washington DC.
Good on her.
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John H
Jim
There really is a god looking after us.
Black eye for the unions, putting their members before education. Shame
on them.
Canuck57
Just like UAW didn't care about GMs existance. After all, it was always
the plan to get the taxpayers on the hook.
Jim
> and let the little bastards teach themselves. Clearly the only way for
> one interested in "actually trying to improve the education process in
> Washington DC."
The lady had to lay off the teachers she couldn't afford to pay. If she
couldn't get more money budgeted to avoid the layoff, what other options
did she have?
Tom Francis - SWSports
>The lady had to lay off the teachers she couldn't afford to pay. If she
>couldn't get more money budgeted to avoid the layoff, what other options
>did she have?
I'm fairly familiar with situations like this living with a Union
official as I do. It's becoming more and more common to
superintendents to over hire, claim poverty, then lay off the highest
paid teachers (assuming that they don't have a contract that RIFs by
seniority rather than teaching assignment) keeping the newer lower
paid teachers to replace them.
Frankly, I think it's unethical.
Jim
budget cuts. Ethics doesn't play a big part in modern day life. School
boards must realize that they sometimes need to take drastic measures to
prevent unions from running their school systems. Fight fire with fire,
if you will. I mean no disrespect to your wife, but I do not have
empathy for or support unions.
H the K
> Most local educational agencies are *VERY* top heavy (and becoming
> more so with every year). If you are going to make cuts, you don't
> send away the teachers and screw the students... you send away
> superflous administrators... they don't teach ANYBODY and, well, isn't
> teaching the whole idea?
>
> Think about it.... ever heard a news report of: we dumped "X" amount
> of teachers and "Y" amount of administrators that were, subsequently,
> no longer needed?
One thing more...labor unions exist to promote and protect the rights of
their members, typically in the areas of wages, hours, working
conditions, et cetera. While both national teachers' unions are involved
in every aspect of promoting decent education for all kids, such is not
their primary purpose.
As it is the nature of employers to screw their employers, it is the
nature of unions to try to prevent that screwing.
As Woody Guthrie wrote in Tom Joad:
"I preached for the Lord a mighty long time
Preached about the rich and the poor.
Us workin' folks got to all get together,
Cause we ain't got a chance anymore.
We ain't got a chance anymore."
. . .
"Ever'body might be just one big soul
Well it looks that a way to me.
Everywhere that you look in the day or night
That's where I'm gonna be, Ma,
That's where I'm gonna be.
Wherever little children are hungry and cry
Wherever people ain't free.
Wherever men are fightin' for their rights
That's where I'm gonna be, Ma.
That's where I'm a gonna be.
Of course, such thoughts are anathema to the conservatives.
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If you are flajim, herring, loogy, GC boater, johnson, topbassdog, rob,
achmed the sock puppet, or one of a half dozen others, you're wasting
your time by trying to *communicate* with me through rec.boats, because,
well, you are among the permanent members of my dumbfoch dumpster, and I
don't read the vomit you post, except by accident on occasion. As
always, have a nice, simple-minded day.
I am Tosk
remov...@rejectswsportsdot.org says...
I think anything that breaks the chain of union destruction, is good for
industry.. Nothing personal..
H the K
Hehehe...this from a schmuck who couldn't hold down a unionized job as a
warehouse worker.
John H
<gene.b...@tranquilrefuge.net> wrote:
>On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 09:59:52 -0500, Jim <??@**.com> wrote:
>
>Amen, brother! Fire the rest of those teachers, free up the budget,
>and let the little bastards teach themselves. Clearly the only way for
>one interested in "actually trying to improve the education process in
>Washington DC."
???
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John H
John H
If that's what she did, I agree. But, if she manipulated the budget to
get rid of crap teachers without tangling with the union for every one
of them, then more power to her.
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John H
Bill McKee
"Jim" <??@**.com> wrote in message
news:00c8f085$0$6687$c3e...@news.astraweb.com...
Then there are the unions that have taken over the school board. Happened
in San Ramon , CA a few years ago. Financially stable school district and
the teachers union ran and go elected as a majority of the board a bunch of
teachers. Passed large raises, etc. 3 years later the school district was
bankrupt. The union should have been sued for fraud.
Bill McKee
"Gene" <gene.b...@tranquilrefuge.net> wrote in message
news:kptvg5dgrolk845ce...@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 08:49:43 -0500, Jim <??@**.com> wrote:
>
> Most local educational agencies are *VERY* top heavy (and becoming
> more so with every year). If you are going to make cuts, you don't
> send away the teachers and screw the students... you send away
> superflous administrators... they don't teach ANYBODY and, well, isn't
> teaching the whole idea?
>
> Think about it.... ever heard a news report of: we dumped "X" amount
> of teachers and "Y" amount of administrators that were, subsequently,
> no longer needed?
> It is usually futile to try to talk facts and analysis to people who are
> enjoying a sense of moral superiority in their ignorance.
> -Thomas Sowell
>
> Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC.
>
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Very true. Maybe 40 years ago, San Francisco layed off a large bunch of
teachers as the declining enrollment did not require as many teachers. Not
one administrator was dumped.
BAR
salmo...@gmail.dotcom says...
Just because you have been there for 20 years or more doesn't mean you
get to sit on your fat lazy ass and wait out your retirement date due to
"tenure."
Jim
> On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 13:47:53 -0500, John H <salmo...@gmail.dotcom>
> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 26 Nov 2009 23:55:10 -0500, Tom Francis - SWSports
>> <remov...@rejectswsportsdot.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 26 Nov 2009 23:39:12 -0500, Jim <??@**.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The lady had to lay off the teachers she couldn't afford to pay. If she
>>>> couldn't get more money budgeted to avoid the layoff, what other options
>>>> did she have?
>>> I'm fairly familiar with situations like this living with a Union
>>> official as I do. It's becoming more and more common to
>>> superintendents to over hire, claim poverty, then lay off the highest
>>> paid teachers (assuming that they don't have a contract that RIFs by
>>> seniority rather than teaching assignment) keeping the newer lower
>>> paid teachers to replace them.
>>>
>>> Frankly, I think it's unethical.
>> If that's what she did, I agree. But, if she manipulated the budget to
>> get rid of crap teachers without tangling with the union for every one
>> of them, then more power to her.
>
> *little* bit of homework:
>
> Like.... one might question why she hired 900 new teachers in the
> summer to fire nearly half that many a few months later... even though
> many could document good APRs....
>
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/10/10/AR2009101001956.html
>
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/10/14/AR2009101403564.html
>
> http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dc/2009/10/honored_in_february_sacked_in.html
>
A lot of schools won't replace lost workers right away,if ever. Take
Michele Obama for instance. Her $350,000 a year position wasn't filled
when she left. A key position left unfilled is a disgrace to whichever
school obama was working for.
Give this woman credit for keeping her school system fully staffed. So
what if she overestimated her needs a bit last summer.
BAR
gene.b...@tranquilrefuge.net says...
> improve the education in Washington DC." Since this is accomplished
> by firing teachers to balance the budget.... obviously.....
>
> the way to improve education is to fire teachers, save money, and make
> students responsible for teaching themselves! Apparently, there is no
> alternative.... or that was the best approach... that IS the way "to
> improve the education in Washington DC," isn't it?
Getting rid of dead weight is Ms. Rhee's objective.
In fact she has told the DC board of education to fire her if they don't
like what she is doing. The school system, any school system, should
does not exist to keep the NEA happy.
H the K
Teachers in the district are represented by the American Federation of
Teachers, shit-for-brains. Had you stayed in school instead of joining
the other intellectual zeros of your era in the marines, you might have
known this.
John H
<gene.b...@tranquilrefuge.net> wrote:
>On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 13:47:53 -0500, John H <salmo...@gmail.dotcom>
>wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 26 Nov 2009 23:55:10 -0500, Tom Francis - SWSports
>><remov...@rejectswsportsdot.org> wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, 26 Nov 2009 23:39:12 -0500, Jim <??@**.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>The lady had to lay off the teachers she couldn't afford to pay. If she
>>>>couldn't get more money budgeted to avoid the layoff, what other options
>>>>did she have?
>>>
>>>I'm fairly familiar with situations like this living with a Union
>>>official as I do. It's becoming more and more common to
>>>superintendents to over hire, claim poverty, then lay off the highest
>>>paid teachers (assuming that they don't have a contract that RIFs by
>>>seniority rather than teaching assignment) keeping the newer lower
>>>paid teachers to replace them.
>>>
>>>Frankly, I think it's unethical.
>>
>>If that's what she did, I agree. But, if she manipulated the budget to
>>get rid of crap teachers without tangling with the union for every one
>>of them, then more power to her.
>
>Then before you said, "good on her" you should have done just a
>*little* bit of homework:
>
>Like.... one might question why she hired 900 new teachers in the
>summer to fire nearly half that many a few months later... even though
>many could document good APRs....
>
>http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/10/10/AR2009101001956.html
>
>http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/10/14/AR2009101403564.html
>
>http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dc/2009/10/honored_in_february_sacked_in.html
Did you not see the word 'if' in my post?
Were you feeling hypercritical yesterday? Bad dinner?
New teachers are often contracted as colleges graduate in the spring.
They are brought on board during the summer for new teacher
orientations, paperwork, learning the county requirements for grading,
etc, and the software that goes with it all.
As to your second site, the 'corrections' seem to obviate reading the
article.
Having worked with a teacher who got herself certified through the
National Board for Professional Teaching Standards (NBCT), I can only
say I'm not overly impressed. It is a program in which one
self-enrolls and provides a nice document to hang on an 'I Love Me'
wall. But, it doesn't make one a better teacher.
--
John H
John H
<gene.b...@tranquilrefuge.net> wrote:
>Fools. They should have become politicians... that sort of behavior is
>acceptable there....
Are there large differences between unethical politicians and
unethical union leaders? They both feed from the same trough.
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John H
John H
<gene.b...@tranquilrefuge.net> wrote:
>On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 13:45:43 -0500, John H <salmo...@gmail.dotcom>
>wrote:
>
>What ??? You said "it looks as though Ms Rhee is actually trying to
>improve the education in Washington DC." Since this is accomplished
>by firing *worthless* teachers.
>the way to improve education is to fire *worthless* teachers, save money, and make
>students responsible for *trying to learn*! Apparently, there is no
>alternative.... or that was the best approach... that IS the way "to
>improve the education in Washington DC," isn't it?
Now that I've fixed your boo-boos, yes.
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John H