Talk boats not politics
Scott Gardner
boats only please?
Tom
wrote:
>This is a boat newsgroup not politics, so can we keep the discussion to
>boats only please?
We could only hope - sorry but I'm afraid it's only wishful thinking.
JimH
"Scott Gardner" <1l...@cox.net> wrote in message
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> This is a boat newsgroup not politics, so can we keep the discussion to
> boats only please?
>
>
Lets go. You start.
goul...@aol.com
The content is determined by the participants, (in actual practice).
There is a constant stream of folks who never post anything about
boats, but simply complain that others do not post enough about boats
or don't post exclusively about boats.
This is a rough neighborhood. Even when you post on topic expect to be
insulted, flamed, and worse. (I've just been called on the carpet for
"misleading the group about the length of the boat" when I stated the
260 Defiance had an LOA of 26 feet)...
If you're looking for highly regulated, polite, adult discussion try
boatered.com (be prepared to be spammed by the moderator), or
thehulltruth.com (where there is almost as much political BS as here,
but because of the difference in format it is segregated into its own
section of the site).
Otherwise, what sort of boating topic would you like to discuss? It
won't happen unless you start the ball rolling. :-)
Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
Not really - it's coming around. Last time I took a vacation from
wrecked.boats, it was much worse than it is currently.
Just ignore the BS and try to keep your temper under control when you
see something particularly egregious. The only way to kill the
off-topic stuff is to ignore it.
Trust me on that - I got sucked into a couple even thought I knew
better. It's hard not to do.
Later,
Tom
BSCHNAUTZ
>Trust me on that - I got sucked into a couple even thought I knew
>better. It's hard not to do.
>
>Later,
>
>Tom
>
Been there Tom, it IS best to ignore the crap.
none
news:C%qNd.104814$Jk5.60761@lakeread01...
> This is a boat newsgroup not politics, so can we keep the discussion to
> boats only please?
I agree, Scott. I have plonked at least 25 people here so far. This is a
boating group, not the Iraq war group.
Tinkerntom
Hi all, I have been over on the RBP, where there is a similar
situation, and so I have been checking this group out as well. Mostly I
paddle my Folbot, but can also sail. Recently picked up a Mercury 2.5
Hp with the idea of playing motorboat. I figure I should be able to get
the 4 or 5 kts which is hull speed.
Anyway, I Googled the Mercury 2.5, and found myself reading some of
your archives. Does anyone have any experience with this engine? What I
should be aware of, or look out for? I don't think I would want to go
any faster than the hull speed in the SOF Folbot. Hate to think what
would happen if I hit something in the water while going very fast!
Mostly plan on using it for those times when I find myself fighting a
current or headwind. No water skiing!
Also being that it is two cycle, are there limitations on where I can
use it regarding the polution aspect? This whole motor issue creates a
whole set of new problems. I am concerned that I put together a repair
kit to carry in the boat as well, what should it contain? Looking to
hear from the motor boaters in the group! TnT
Scott Gardner
Now lets put that to bed and talk about boats. Your Merc. 2stroke outboard
is legal in all states. As for a repair kit to keep on board, it should come
with everything you need which basically consists of spark plug wrench and
screwdriver. Unless you are a 2-stroke mechanic there isn't much you will be
able to do in the event of a break down. I do recommend carrying a few spare
spark plugs and 2stroke oil. If you cruise no wake zones at idle speeds for
any long period of time you will most likely foul a plug or 2.
"Tinkerntom" <tnk...@qwest.net> wrote in message
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Scott Gardner
MAXUM 3300 SE. I purchased this boat new at the end of the 2003 season and
had it splashed for the very 1st time in April 2004. It has twin 5.7L Merc.
350's rated at 250 HP each with Bravo 3 drives.It had every available option
except a generator and the navigation electronics, which is fine for me
because Maxum uses Raymarine equipment and I prefer Garmin. So i had the
generator installed and added a Tracvision 4 in motion satellite tracking
system and a Garmin 3006C color chartplotter with the GDL-30 XM satellite
weather receiver.This thing is awesome. I can see live weather radar on my
chartplotter in real time and get up to the minute weather forecasts. I love
my boat and how I equipped it. I cruise on the Potomac River and Chesapeake
Bay. How about everyone else? Where do you boat and what kind of boat do you
have? I am new to this group but hope I will fit in. Scott.
"JimH" <M...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Greg
probably belongs in rec.boats.cruising...
I just finished the book Adrift, by Steven Callahan (76 days Lost at Sea),
and have to ask why anyone would buy an inflatable raft for emergencies.
Sure, safe at home, I can think of several, but after reading his account
and seeing how much better off he would have been with an "unsinkable" foam
and fiberglass dinghy, they seem to be a very poor choice.
Granted, his "real" sailboat was a homebuilt 21 footer and it went down in a
mighty empty piece of ocean (south-west of canaries), but after reading his
story, rubber rafts seem VERY undesirable - although a notch up from going
down with the ship, to be sure.
Any one else read the book or have thoughts on the matter?
"JimH" <M...@aol.com> wrote in message
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>
Tinkerntom
Thanks Scott for your quick come back. I should mention, I bought the
motor at a garage sale, $50.00! I figured the price was right, since it
did not appear abused. I pulled the starter rope, and it turned over,
and seemed to have a little compression. Have yet to actually put gas
in it since I thought I would check with you guys first before I did
anything irreversible. The previous owner had got it to use with a
canoe, had it started a few years before, but never had it in the water
supposedly. I hope that he started it with cooling, but I didn't ask!
I looked in the tank, which was clean. But what about seals in the
bottom end, and such that could go wrong, or varnish in Carbs. Any
particular problems I should check out, or should I just try running it
and see what happens? TnT
Bill Kiene
I just found a home for these missplaces political junkies.
With over 35,000 news groups there should be a home out there somewhere for
them.
I found it................'alt.politics' .................. 67,600
posts...................have at it boys.
I know why they are here, they are not even noticed there..........sad.
I they would leave we could get back to 'rec.boats' and have a great
newsgroup again.
We could start 'rec.boats.no.politics.please'.
--
Bill Kiene
Small boat lover
"Scott Gardner" <1l...@cox.net> wrote in message
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> This is a boat newsgroup not politics, so can we keep the discussion to
> boats only please?
>
>
K. Smith
34ft very old clinker hulled full cabin cruiser, 65Hp diesel power,
does 9-10 kts flat out & cruises 6-7 kts on < 1 ltr/nautical mile. Most
of the home comforts, no installed genset but carry a petrol unit (2 KVA
way too noisy!!! wish it were one of those new Hondas:-))
The boat has been in the family a long time & is much loved by many,
family & strangers alike:-) But like all old friends; has some off days:-)
Mostly protected cruising waters with occasional coastal hops to new
grounds. The coastal runs are planned around the weather.
K
So the Krause lie of the day??? Here ya go:-)
So just getting back to the Hatt 43 lie:-) What happened was at
least 2 of the NG people lived near where he "claimed" he did & said
they'd settle if he owned a Hatt 43 or not by simply calling around &
taking a look:-) After all his usual abuse & fained "privacy" concerns
it was starting to look like his lying hide was about to be hung out to
dry:-)
This would be more than his ego could even contemplate, so in his
desperation not to be caught red handed (again:-)) he then lied again;
which despite it being totally unbelievable it allowed his damaged mind
to think he was still the big man his lies had created:-)
Doubt save to organise employment wrecking union strokes he's never
even been to Florida but he desperately needed to get away from the lie
mansion & the lie Hatt 43:-)
>
>> >>>>>
>
> We had the Hatteras for two years. Last year, out of the cold clear,
a broker approached me with an offer to buy. Our continued Florida
> lifestyle was somewhat up in the air, because the two breadwinners
> hereabouts were about to be offered long-term but temporary assignments
> they could not refuse in the Washington, D.C., area. So, after being
> romanced a little, we sold the Hatt for almost precisely what we paid
for it. Not bad, after two full years of use. And I mean full years. So,
we didn't "make" any money off the Hatt, but we didn't lose any, either.
> The proceeds were prudently invested.
>
>>
Short Wave Sportfishing
<flintrive...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>To barge in, here is a topic just brought to my attention, although this
>probably belongs in rec.boats.cruising...
>
>I just finished the book Adrift, by Steven Callahan (76 days Lost at Sea),
>and have to ask why anyone would buy an inflatable raft for emergencies.
>Sure, safe at home, I can think of several, but after reading his account
>and seeing how much better off he would have been with an "unsinkable" foam
>and fiberglass dinghy, they seem to be a very poor choice.
>
>Granted, his "real" sailboat was a homebuilt 21 footer and it went down in a
>mighty empty piece of ocean (south-west of canaries), but after reading his
>story, rubber rafts seem VERY undesirable - although a notch up from going
>down with the ship, to be sure.
>
>Any one else read the book or have thoughts on the matter?
I haven't read the book, but what would make an inflatable life raft
undesirable?
Compact, easy to store, designed to float to the surface, provide
shelter from the elements and are reasonably tough.
What's not to like?
Later,
Tom
Ian Malcolm
<snip 'lie of the day'>
Hey Karen,
How about you sink the 'lie of the day' in deep water?
Its not doing you any favours :-(
Personally I'd understand if you used it in threads that were allready
way OT in a non-boating direction or if you were directly responding to
the 'Real' H. Krause. Others may differ.
OnT content:
Boat's an Albacore as per sig. I also crew for various yachties.
Wrench on the club safety boat OBs and my own seagulls.
I do mostly day sailing and coastal cruising in Stingo. Camp ashore if I
have to but am 'soft' so prefer B&B :-)
Handicap racing mostly in the club Wayfarer right through the winter on
a fairly tricky tidal bit of the river Thames.
International Albacore site: http://www.albacore.org/
Boats of rec.boats: http://thebayguide.com/rec.boats/
<unsolicited_plug>
Maintained as a non-commercial service by Lee Yeaton of the 'Chesapeake
Bay Guide': http://www.thebayguide.com/
</unsolicited_plug>
I strongly reccomend everyone here who actually floats a boat submits a
photo to the 'Boats of rec.boats' site.
--
Ian Malcolm. London, ENGLAND. (NEWSGROUP REPLY PREFERRED)
ianm[at]the[dash]malcolms[dot]freeserve[dot]co[dot]uk
[at]=@, [dash]=- & [dot]=. *Warning* HTML & >32K emails --> NUL:
'Stingo' Albacore #1554 - 15' Early 60's, Uffa Fox designed,
All varnished hot moulded wooden racing dinghy.
JimH
Very nice Scott. We recently sold our 3200SCR due to a deteriorating
medical condition with my wife. We had boated for close to 25 years, always
on the Great Lakes. We docked in Lorain, Vermilion and eventually Huron.
The 3200/3300 is the same boat with an extra foot on the swim platform. The
cabin layout is wonderful and spacious. We encountered very rough seas on
Lake Erie with the boat and it always handled them just fine...the last
adventure was a run from Leamington, Canada to Huron in heavy seas (breaking
over the bow). My friend had to get back and I did not want him crossing
the Lake alone. So they followed us in the 26 foot Lyman. It was a foolish
thing to do on both our parts but I could not convince him (and his family)
to stay. We were able to break the waves for them.....otherwise they would
have had waves constantly over the windshield. We were able to get shelter
along the way by keeping to the west side of the island.
What engines do you have in yours? You should get pretty decent speed with
the twin 5.7 l's (that is what we had) although ours had Bravo 2's, counter
rotating.
Tom
>Just ignore the BS and try to keep your temper under control when you
>see something particularly egregious. The only way to kill the
>off-topic stuff is to ignore it.
>
>Trust me on that - I got sucked into a couple even thought I knew
>better. It's hard not to do.
catch my eye and occasionally I can't help myself. If everyone would
ignore the few they would probably get tired of talking to themselves.
Tom
>Lets go. You start.
I'll be glad to jump in here. I have a 17' Cajun Bass boat which is
currently for sale (as is the lake house) as I'm going back to salt
water. I just bought a new SV2100CC Sea Pro with a 200 Yamaha which
was supposed to be ready for pickup last week but is now scheduled for
this week. I've equipped it so far with a hydraulic jack plate, Lenco
trim tabs, Sunbrella Bimini top, Lowrance X-18 GPS and Icon 402S
radio. To please SWMBO I added the 6' removable rear bench seat option
to accommodate all those people she expects to join us on our fishing
expeditions. Plan to add compass when I get the boat so I'll have a
better idea of space limitations (wanted Danforth Constellation but
was told the 5" was too big), dual batteries with switch, trolling
motor, probably wash down pump and maybe built in tackle boxes.
Looking forward to getting it but it's raining today so makes it a
little easier.
Larry Weiss
is not just for talk about boats. Its for boaters to get together to talk
about whatever boaters talk about - and that could be anything. Here
you'll find the same conversations you might partake in at the dock, at a
raftup or especially around the yacht club bar in the winter. Lighten up,
plug in your sense of humor and enjoy!
Larry Weiss
"...Ever After!"
"a little after..."
Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
Very nice, but I would echo Harry on the compass - get a good handleld
bearing compass and just a small console compass. As Harry said, you
will rely more on the GPS and depth finder, but it's nice to have a
backup that can accurately tell you North is that away. :>)
Now, on to something that I find curious. Why the jackplate on a 21
foot bay boat?
I have a 20 foot 200 C Ranger
http://www.swsports.org/images/Ranger.JPG
that has a good running solid performing FICHT which had a jackplate
on it when I purchased it. I got rid of it after about a month -
totally useless.. If you are looking for shallow water operations,
that's that the trolling motor is for - in particular if you have the
24 volt. You probably had a jackplate on that Cajun and that's
probably useful in that application, but on a bay boat?
And while I'm on the subject, don't buy a Motoguide Great White series
trolling motor. Mercury does not support Motoguide in any sense of
the word, they violate warranty terms and the new digital control
boards are prone to fail - it's a horrible design. Almost as bad as
the older switched design. Buy a MinnKota Riptide series instead.
Nice boat though.
Later,
Tom
Harry Krause
<flintrive...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>To barge in, here is a topic just brought to my attention, although this
>probably belongs in rec.boats.cruising...
>
>I just finished the book Adrift, by Steven Callahan (76 days Lost at Sea),
>and have to ask why anyone would buy an inflatable raft for emergencies.
>Sure, safe at home, I can think of several, but after reading his account
>and seeing how much better off he would have been with an "unsinkable" foam
>and fiberglass dinghy, they seem to be a very poor choice.
>
>Granted, his "real" sailboat was a homebuilt 21 footer and it went down in a
>mighty empty piece of ocean (south-west of canaries), but after reading his
>story, rubber rafts seem VERY undesirable - although a notch up from going
>down with the ship, to be sure.
>
>Any one else read the book or have thoughts on the matter?
Not only did I read it, it was my firm who edited it. Great book, a
very nice read.
When I did my solo trans-atlantic, I had a large rubber raft on board.
Now I wish I didnt have it. In retrospect, it took up a lot of room,
which I could have made better use of.
goul...@aol.com
I they would leave we could get back to 'rec.boats' and have a great
newsgroup again.
We could start 'rec.boats.no.politics.please'.
--
Bill Kiene
Small boat lover
********************************************************
The other Bill Kiene, at almost the same moment, was in another
rec.boats thread typing "All the liberal democrats are in church
praying that Iraqi independence fails so Bush will be remembered as a
failure".
How coincidental.
Who would have thought that in a discussion group with
a few dozen participants we'd have two different guys named Bill Kiene?
As always, tolerance for "poltical posts" and one's opinion about
whether they are even appropriate seems to vary with the degree those
posts reinforce or contradict preexisting personal opinions.
If these two different Bill Kienes were really the same guy and he
wanted to be totally candid- he'd amend his remarks to "no *liberal*
politics, please."
But they can't be the same guy. No way.
Short Wave Sportfishing
Enough is enough. It stopped being funny about 15 posts ago.
Greg
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
>
> I haven't read the book, but what would make an inflatable life raft
> undesirable?
>
> Compact, easy to store, designed to float to the surface, provide
> shelter from the elements and are reasonably tough.
>
> What's not to like?
Part of the problem was caused by his extended stay, obviously.
But the waves really pounded him, at times even folding the raft. It
took on water pretty easy, which led to saltwater sores/ulcers. He had
to daily reinflate the raft, which once hunger set in, became a more
critical issue.
The canopy waterproofing wore off - more water. A fish he speared
ripped the bottom tube, which he was able to patch and reinflate. And
the worst was the fish biting and sharks hitting him thru the bottom.
He was pretty much in constant fear of a shark biting thru the raft -
especially when the bottom tube was punctured and his feet extended an
obvious distance below the raft.
Again, some of this was definitely due to the 76 days before rescue
(1800 miles later near Guadeloupe).
But I could see the wildwife and swamping by waves a serious issue for
shorter stays. This was in 1982. Maybe current rafts do a better job?
I recommend the book, very good read.
>
> Later,
>
> Tom
JimH
<goul...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Do you have to fight with everyone Chuck?
basskisser
Yeah, unlike the right wing circle jerk club, who only fight with
liberals.
goul...@aol.com
Do you have to fight with everyone Chuck?
****************************************
What fight?
I simply marveled that we would have two guys named Bill Kiene in
rec.boats. One of them condemns political posting on the same day the
other one makes disparaging remarks about liberal democrats elsewhere
on the site. How is that a fight? Check it out..it's a fact. Obviously
we have two Bill Kiene's, or a flip flopping hypocrite that would put a
lot of others to shame. I prefer to believe, as I posted, that there
are two of them. That's not a fight.
I only fight with a guy who spent his first 6-8 months posting under
the name Dennis Compton, and being so obnoxious that 90% of the group
was ticked off at that person for his behavior.
When the prick had his fill of annoying everybody, he then posted that
he had been lying all along, he didn't really own a boat, and that he
was a graduate student at some college someplace where he had been
assigned, (as a class project), to get on usenet, be disruptive as
hell, and make notes about the reactions of his unwitting subjects. Of
course, the second lie was the actual lie......no college course, no
graduate student, just a frustrated old middle aged failure with some
emotional issues and a Bayliner for sale. Not all that long ago, the
same guy posted that the only reason he frequents rec.boats is to have
fun by stirring up trouble, and that he reserves his extensive
knowledge about boating, (never in evidence here), for the "real"
boating groups he frequents when he's not stirring up trouble in
rec.boats.
Funny thing is, I'd ignore the loser completely if he didn't follow me
around like a goofy little puppy dog. He has some sick emotional need
to get abused every day, and we liberals do believe in helping the
needy. :-)
If you run into this guy someplace, tell him what I said. Thanks.
JimH
<goul...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Looks like it is about time for you to pick up you bat and ball and run home
to mommy.......you know, take a break from the NG like you did a year or so
ago when you started showing the same freaking signs of losing control of
yourself.
Give it a try Chucky....you are about ready to lose it completely.
Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
I'll just say this - it kept him afloat and alive didn't it?
'Nuff said. :>)
I've never had the oppotunity to live in one for even a couple of
days, but I think I'd rather have one than not.
I'll look the book up - thanks for the info.
Later,
Tom
John H
I suppose that is 'well researched and verified', right?
John H
On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD,
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!
"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it."
Rene Descartes
Tom
>Got some nice boating-related posts for us, fellas?
Yep - see below.
Tom
>Go with the smallest compass. Your GPS duplicates most of your compass
>functions. I have just the small standard compass on my Parker, and I
>carry a small bearing compass in my waterproof box.
True but I still have a habit of following a heading and the eyes
aren't what they used to be. :-) My main concern will be stability - I
hate a compass that swings while underway.
>
>Nice rig, by the way. SeaPro makes some good value boats.
Thanks - we looked at a bunch of brands at the boat show and Sea Pro
seemed to offer more of the features we wanted at the best price. A
test ride was comforting - nice ride in pretty good chop and no spray
- even quartering into the wind (but I'm sure I'll soon find a
combination to get us soaked).
Tom
>Now, on to something that I find curious. Why the jackplate on a 21
>foot bay boat?
>
>I have a 20 foot 200 C Ranger
>
>http://www.swsports.org/images/Ranger.JPG
Good looking rig
>
>that has a good running solid performing FICHT which had a jackplate
>on it when I purchased it. I got rid of it after about a month -
>totally useless.. If you are looking for shallow water operations,
>that's that the trolling motor is for - in particular if you have the
>24 volt. You probably had a jackplate on that Cajun and that's
>probably useful in that application, but on a bay boat?
The bay where we bought our place is very shallow and most boats use
hydraulic jack plates to raise the engine to motor out of shallows and
get on plane without digging so much mud. Once on plane you can lower
the engine back to running depth. Supposedly this boat will get on
plane in about 18 - 20" of water - jack plate and trim tabs are
supposed to reduce that by 4-6" - we'll soon see if that's true. Never
had one on the Cajun nor needed it. Toledo Bend is a pretty deep lake
for the most part and a set depth worked fine for me. I guess you
could optimize your speed but it went plenty fast for me.
>
>And while I'm on the subject, don't buy a Motoguide Great White series
>trolling motor. Mercury does not support Motoguide in any sense of
>the word, they violate warranty terms and the new digital control
>boards are prone to fail - it's a horrible design. Almost as bad as
>the older switched design. Buy a MinnKota Riptide series instead.
Glad to know that - I'll keep that in mind when I get ready.
>
>Nice boat though.
Thanks - looking forward to getting it wet.
>
>Later,
>
>Tom
K. Smith
Yep I agree; sod off Chuckster:-) You've even spun this anti OT thread
to politics you sad sack of rotting barnacles.
You only make OT posts or deceptive marketing spam anyway so do
yourself & us a favour hey???
I notice you couldn't choose between admitting you're a total boating
incompetent or just bent; so hey you chose both!!!:-)
K
& the Krause lie of the day is ????
So I hate to dwell on the Hatt 43 (well OK I don't really "hate" it:-))
but in a hurry & this only takes a second, the arguments over the Hatt
went on for ages, fake photo being posted the "sudden" disposal when a
couple of NG people were about to expose him, then eventually just to
absolutely confirm it was nothing but a liar's BS like all his other
"boating" claims his only answer was he "chose" not to post a real pic.
The lowest of the low liars is our own Krause;-)
>
>>> The photo was genuine. I certainly can "provide" a photo of what you
>>> refer to as "get home." But, as I responded previously, I choose not
>>> to do so.
Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
~~ snippage ~~
>The bay where we bought our place is very shallow and most boats use
>hydraulic jack plates to raise the engine to motor out of shallows and
>get on plane without digging so much mud. Once on plane you can lower
>the engine back to running depth. Supposedly this boat will get on
>plane in about 18 - 20" of water - jack plate and trim tabs are
>supposed to reduce that by 4-6" - we'll soon see if that's true. Never
>had one on the Cajun nor needed it. Toledo Bend is a pretty deep lake
>for the most part and a set depth worked fine for me. I guess you
>could optimize your speed but it went plenty fast for me.
The Ranger won't do that. I need at least a couple of feet. That may
be due to the set back design of the transom.
I'd still be very wary of trying to run a boat at speed in that kind
of water.
As to getting wet - trust me, you will get wet in these type boats.
It's a fact of life that bay boat producers don't want to admit. :>)
Have fun. Let us know how that jack plate deal works out.
Later,
Tom
Tom
>Do you have a modified nosecone on that new outboard? Have you checked
>Bob's Machine Shop?
Nope - but that looks interesting. I'll keep these in mind if I have a
pick up problem.
Tom
>The Ranger won't do that. I need at least a couple of feet. That may
>be due to the set back design of the transom.
We'll see if this one will. Promises and facts aren't always the same.
>
>I'd still be very wary of trying to run a boat at speed in that kind
>of water.
You think running aground at 60 mph could be a problem?? :-)
>
>As to getting wet - trust me, you will get wet in these type boats.
>It's a fact of life that bay boat producers don't want to admit. :>)
No doubt. My Mako was pretty dry but I found several combinations of
wind/waves that managed to soak me. Doubt there's a boat made that
won't get you wet at some time - I had a friend on an aircraft carrier
who claimed they took spray over the bow in a bad storm.
>
>Have fun. Let us know how that jack plate deal works out.
Will do - if they ever finish the boat. :-)
>
>Later,
>
>Tom
goul...@aol.com
Yep I agree; sod off Chuckster:-) You've even spun this anti OT
thread
to politics you sad sack of rotting barnacles.
You only make OT posts or deceptive marketing spam anyway so do
yourself & us a favour hey???
I notice you couldn't choose between admitting you're a total
boating
incompetent or just bent; so hey you chose both!!!:-)
K
*********
Oh heck.
Here I was thinking about taking another sabbatical, but you and your
fellow poison pen, (Hurtwit the Hypocrite) have now made that
impossible.
As you are both ordering me out of the group, I guess I better stick
around rather than appear to comply with your demands. I'll see if I
can increase my product reviews, etc, just especially for you. :-)
You criticize my contributions. I'll proudly compare them to yours or
Hurtwit the Hypocrite's any day. When was the last time you posted
anything that was not a long personal attack, on somebody, disguised as
a disagreement about a technical point?
Hurtwit the Hypocrite at least has the integrity to avoid any pretense
that he is capable of discussing boats or boating, or that he is here
to do anything except behave in a destructive manner,,,,(and has
admitted the same).
You're a joke, Smith. A very sick joke. You can't make a post about
anyting without turning 2/3 of it into a harangue on Harry Krause- and
then you have the balls
(you probably do) to complain that people post OT. When was the last
time you contributed anything to the group except spite, insult, and
bile? How many years, and years, and years has it been?
John H
Chuck, how would you rate the 260 Defiance against a 26' Osprey or a 27' Sea
Sport? (Or the 24' Sea Sport, for that matter.)
Tom
>Well, I wouldn't run the way you're planning without a "Bob's".
>Outboards are awfully expensive, and even a brief period of improper
>cooling might turn your new motor into slag. Don't forget to change your
>impeller once a season, too. Running in those shallows means you'll be
>sucking up sand.
Agreed - I had them install a water pressure gauge just for that
reason. I always changed the impeller, plugs and wheel bearings once a
year - even when only fishing offshore.
Dr. Karen Grear MD, PHD
Boating articles might pretend to compare boats, but they really are just a
vehicle to sell advertising. You will never find a reviewer who will give
you a real comparison between boats.
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JimH
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> John,
> Boating articles might pretend to compare boats, but they really are just
> a vehicle to sell advertising. You will never find a reviewer who will
> give you a real comparison between boats.
>
Nor an honest appraisal of the boat being reviewed.
Paul Schilter
Dr. Karen Grear MD, PHD
will never say anything negative about a boat, even when there are many
negatives.
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Brass Monkey
Thanks for redirecting, Scott.
Tell us more about why you picked the electronics you did, what the
decisionmaking process was, and how you integrated it.
What TV do you have, and sound system to take advantage of the XM,
etc...
Is the Tracvision completely hassle free?
Thanks!
Randy
Scott Gardner Wrote:
> OK I will start by introducing myself. My name is Scott and I have a
> 2003
> MAXUM 3300 SE. I purchased this boat new at the end of the 2003 season
> and
> had it splashed for the very 1st time in April 2004. It has twin 5.7L
> Merc.
> 350's rated at 250 HP each with Bravo 3 drives.It had every available
> option
> except a generator and the navigation electronics, which is fine for
> me
> because Maxum uses Raymarine equipment and I prefer Garmin. So i had
> the
> generator installed and added a Tracvision 4 in motion satellite
> tracking
> system and a Garmin 3006C color chartplotter with the GDL-30 XM
> satellite
> weather receiver.This thing is awesome. I can see live weather radar on
> my
> chartplotter in real time and get up to the minute weather forecasts. I
> love
> my boat and how I equipped it. I cruise on the Potomac River and
> Chesapeake
> Bay. How about everyone else? Where do you boat and what kind of boat
> do you
> have? I am new to this group but hope I will fit in. Scott.
> "JimH" M...@aol.com wrote in message
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>
> "Scott Gardner" 1l...@cox.net wrote in message
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> This is a boat newsgroup not politics, so can we keep the discussion
> to
> boats only please?
>
> -
>
> Lets go. You start.
>
> -
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Brass Monkey
goul...@aol.com
27' Sea
Sport? (Or the 24' Sea Sport, for that matter.)
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I wouldn't.
To make an accurate comparison you'd need to do a side-by side test on
the same day, under the same conditions, and rigged with similar or
identical engines. The most significant portion of a comparison that is
extremely subjective, (therefore subject to a variety of personal
opinions), is the degree of satisfaction with performance and handling
and the "feel" of the boat underway. Other subjective things are
ergonomics, overall appearance, etc....and reasonable people will come
to different conclusions, (explaining why so many different brands of
boats sell well).
Most of the objective differences will be outlined in the factory
specs.
As far as the subjective impressions and opinions go, consider me like
Faux News, John. I report- you decide. :-)
Dr. Karen Grear MD, PHD
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Sir Spamalot
<dr....@hotmail.com> wrote:
>That is a great answer. That way you will never piss out any advertisers.
>
>
Piss out???
Scott Gardner
completely hassle free. I have DirectTV at my home so I have one receiver
that is dedicated to the boat during the spring,summer,fall and comes home
to the guest bedroom in the winter. The Tracvision comes already setup for
DirectTV so once it was installed all I had to do was install my receiver. I
turn on the power to the Tracvision, receiver and TV. Inital setup takes
about 2 minutes to find the satellite, once it does so it locks on and once
locked on there are no interruptions in service. This is an in motion system
so once it begins tracking I can then drive the boat without loss of signal.
If I power the unit down then move the boat then power it back up it has to
search for the satellite again but within 2 minutes I am watching TV again.
Although it was expensive it is worth every penny.I debated between
Tracvision and Sea-tel for several weeks but finally decided on the
Tracvision based on their reputation. The boat came with a 9 inch DC powered
TV which didn't do the tracvision any justice so I took it out and installed
a 13" flat panel Sharp Aquos LCD TV. The picture is phenomenal. As for the
stereo it came equipped with all Clarion Marine AM/FM CD player, 6-disc CD
changer and 4 6.5" speakers. I used to work at a car audio shop in my early
20's and ever since then I have been installing high end stereo equipment in
my vehicles and my boat wasn't going to be any exception to that rule. Since
it already had quality Clarion equipment to start I built on that by adding
2 more Clarion 6.5" speakers in the cockpit to make a total of 4. I powered
them with a 80x4 USCoustic amp and added a 10" self amplified Bazooka tube
subwoofer under the port aft bench seat and a helm mounted remote. I added
the Delphi SkyFi XM radio reciever. I wanted a system that I could hear
clearly while hanging around outside the boat whether it be on the dock or
in the water. I chose Garmin GPS because my 1st boat had one already
installed on it so I bought the chip for the Chesapeake Bay. Since I already
had the chip when I bought my new boat i stayed with Garmin, plus I am very
familiar with to use them.I bought a Garmin 3006C color charplotter and
flush mounted in the dash. In my area storms can come out of no where and
before you can react to the dark sky it is generally too late. I got caught
in several bad storms this past summer and it wasn't fun. I don't want to go
through that again so I added the XM satelltie weather receiver to the 3006C
so I can constantly keep track of the weather around me by way of the real
time weather radar. It overlays the weather radar on top of the chart so you
constantly know where you are in relation to the weather around you. I only
got to tinker with this system for a couple of days before I had the boat
winterized but am looking forward to taking advantage of all this system has
to offer next summer.
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JimH
"Dr. Karen Grear MD, PHD" <dr....@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> That is a great answer. That way you will never piss out any advertisers.
>
>
Indeed.
Powerboat Report has no problem outlining weaknesses as well as
positives....no need for advertising money with them.
The rest of the reviews in so called boating magazines are nothing more than
fluff...such as the one Chuck posted here in an attempt to spam a boat line
and boat dealer.
I wonder how he used the money he received from both for that review?
A new car perhaps? Or maybe a brand new electronics setup for his tug.
Only the shadow knows.
goul...@aol.com
To do a truly objective test, you not only need to run the compared
boats on the same day under the same conditions, you need to do like
Consumer Reports does and actually buy the products, anonymously, at
retail, from a dealer. Otherwise, how can you be certain that somebody
hasn't "tweaked" something just a bit? In Herring's example, we would
spend what, a quarter million bucks? To make sure we got undoctored
boats for a single article?
I know this is a hard concept for many of you to understand, and the
posts of some here certainly support my observations, but it is
possible to comment on Thing A without running down Thing B or Thing C
at the same time.
Most of the items a shopper will consider are subjective, and subject
to individual preference.
You guys seem to expect an objective comparison between top sirloin,
lamb, and lobster and some definitive answer about which meal is
"best". When you read a restaurant review, do you fault the reviewer
for failing to comment on every other Chinese joint in town?
How about movie critics? Can a critic say anything useful about "Lord
of the Rings" without discussing "Ray", "The Titanic", and "Glory"?
Boat reviews point out the highlights, and any glaring deficiencies in
a boat. You don't read that many with glaring deficiencies because by
the time a builder gets to major mfg status, the market weeds out the
guys building true crap.
I've never seen a major mfg. boat that is totally unsuited for safe and
appropriate use by somebody, under the right conditions. Two equally
knowledgeable boaters will evaluate the same boat, and one might rule
it out immediately and go on to buy something else, while the other
likes it so much he writes a check on the spot. Which one was "right"?
(Hint: most likely both, they simply prioritized different needs).
Dr. Karen Grear MD, PHD
The articles are designed to sell ad space, not inform the boat buying
public or provide a viable review of any boat.
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Nice CYA job Chuck. We all know better though.
It was nothing but fluff and spam.
So what did you buy with the blood money?
goul...@aol.com
I wonder how he used the money he received from both for that review?
A new car perhaps? Or maybe a brand new electronics setup for his tug.
********************************
A new car? Ha! Chicken feed.
With the vast sum of money I recieved, I paid cash for the homes on
both sides of yours in A... *... Ohio! Howdy, neighbor.
(I didn't know mobile homes were subject to sales tax in OH, so the
total came to about eleven bucks more than I thought it might. How do
they justify that much for a single wide these days?).
I didn't have enough left over to start my full-ride scholarship fund
for terminal aids patients, muslim clerics, and cross dressing anti-war
activists in your community. This creates a rather serious
inconvenience, as I had already invited about two dozen such
individuals to relocate there. I guess I'll have no choice except to
lodge them, rent free, on either side of your abode until I collect
another royalty check and can then afford to put them all through your
local university. Remember to "love thy new neighbors," but don't get
too lovey with the terminal aids patients- that could have some
negative consequences. :-)
JimH
<goul...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> Hurtwit wondered.
>Powerboat Report has no problem outlining weaknesses as well as
>positives....no need for advertising money with them.
>The rest of the reviews in so called boating magazines are nothing more
>than
>fluff...such as the one Chuck posted here in an attempt to spam a boat line
>and boat dealer.
>
> I wonder how he used the money he received from both for that review?
>
>
> A new car perhaps? Or maybe a brand new electronics setup for his tug.
>
>
>
> ********************************
> A new car? Ha! Chicken feed.
>
> With the vast sum of money I recieved, I paid cash for the homes on
> both sides of yours in A... *... Ohio! Howdy, neighbor.
>
> (I didn't know mobile homes were subject to sales tax in OH, so the
> total came to about eleven bucks more than I thought it might. How do
> they justify that much for a single wide these days?).
>
I pasted the parts of my post you conveniently cut...a new MO for you in
your lame attempt to support your position.
But the end result is always this....childish name calling and insults....is
that what you have been reduced to Chuck? I thought better of you but I was
obviously wrong.
A shame. And quite juvenile.
Grow up Chucky. OK? ;-)
goul...@aol.com
Grow up Chucky. OK? ;-)
***************
What name calling?
As for the rest, if you make an outrageous statement you have to be
prepared for an equally outrageous response.
We libs have a saying: "What goes around comes around......" Expect no
less.
(There's no need to repost your entire harangue when I'm only taking
issue with the most asinine line or two.)
JimH
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>A shame. And quite juvenile.
>
>
> Grow up Chucky. OK? ;-)
>
> ***************
>
> What name calling?
>
Look up Chucky......
ZZZZZZZZZOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
As usual. Quite predictable. Quite sad.
Dr. Karen Grear MD, PHD
Since you used the movie metaphor, lets follow the thread a little farther.
If you read a movie critic who thinks every movie he sees is wonderful, you
would begin to question the critic's ability to provide a review one can
believe in. When one reads "boat reviews", the "reviewer" always loves the
boat. There are movie critics who can be bought. The distributors give
them a airline ticket to Hollywood, put them up in a 5 star hotel and the
distributor is guaranteed a 5 star review. These movie "critics" are
whores, who sell themselves for the price of an airline ticket and hotel.
The difference between these unreliable movie critics and Boat reviewers are
the price they charge to sell out. Boat Reviewers use ad dollars as the
price to give a great review, they might also be persuaded by perks offered
by the mfg. There are many reliable movie critics who are not whores, the
same came not be said about boat reviewers.
You boat review provided a valuable service, because it highlighted the need
for boat buyers to take what they read in boat mags with a grain of salt.
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goul...@aol.com
You boat review provided a valuable service, because it highlighted the
need
for boat buyers to take what they read in boat mags with a grain of
salt.
**********************
Yeah, yeah. Yawn. Say, when was the last time you or Hurtwit posted
anything *on* topic?
How much salt is required to deal with a guy who hangs out in a boating
NG and doesn't boat?
K. Smith
Be very careful listening to this ex used car salesman, ex used boat
salesman, ex .........person John, I say he's repeatedly over many years
now, has deliberately mis "reported", construction, fuel usage, etc etc
etc :-) Initially I was prepared to put his technical faux pas down to
being a new boater & a bit simple, however given the total lack of his
"errors" ever going against the seller??? Hmmm curiouser & curiouser.
It seems he might just leave out anything he perceives to be a negative
to sales, indeed I'd suggest he just parrots the seller's marketing line:-)
As if there's any doubt about his mental processes??? when given the
choice between admitting he's a boating illiterate or maybe bent he by
default chose both!!!:-)
K
So just in case you harbour even the slightest reservations about how
dangerous this psycho Krause actually is???
Even after he has real life stalked 2 of the female NG contributors
over the years?? if that's not worrying enough then have a look at what
in his lying mind he's actually proud of;
> I came home early one day, tapped the garage door opener in the car and
> voila! There was a strange car in the garage with an even stranger
> couple completing their Christmas shopping by loading up their car with
> my wife's jewelry and my electronics.
>
> The burglars saw me, obviously, and as the male ran across the back of
> the garage to get into his car, I drove forward with my Ford truck and
> pinned him ever so gently between my Ford front bumper and his car's
> rear bumper. And then I drove forward a leeeeeeetle bit more and gave
> him a leg fracture.
then when people said how crazy this lie was; he doesn't stop he just
lies in a higher gear:-)
> I'll modify it, just for you, stunatz:
>
> I've been driving for more than 40 years without causing or receiving an
> injury, *except* for the time I deliberately broke a burglar's leg by
> crushing
> it between the front bumper of my Ford F150 truck and the rear bumper of his
> car.
>
> Mo' betta?
>
John H
Chuck! I'm ashamed. Here you've been calling yourself an 'independent' (as I
am), then a 'progressive' (whatever the hell that is), and now a 'lib'.
Well?
John H
Well, luckily, Fox *does* show both sides of most issues with reps from each
position. Of course, if you don't watch Fox, as I suppose you don't, then you
wouldn't notice that.
I simply wanted your impressions of the three boats. The 260 Defiance sounded
great in your write-up, but there was nothing with which to compare it. I was
looking for *your* subjective comparison.
John H
I really didn't expect an objective, million-dollar test. I just wanted your
subjective opinion of how the three boats compared in your experience.
Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
>On 9 Feb 2005 18:12:15 -0800, goul...@aol.com wrote:
~~ snippage ~~
>>I've never seen a major mfg. boat that is totally unsuited for safe and
>>appropriate use by somebody, under the right conditions. Two equally
>>knowledgeable boaters will evaluate the same boat, and one might rule
>>it out immediately and go on to buy something else, while the other
>>likes it so much he writes a check on the spot. Which one was "right"?
>>(Hint: most likely both, they simply prioritized different needs).
>
>I really didn't expect an objective, million-dollar test. I just wanted your
>subjective opinion of how the three boats compared in your experience.
Any boat looks, rides and feels good first time around - it takes time
to find the little things that annoy or fail. I really like my Ranger
and would hate to part with it, but over the four years I've owned it,
there are things that I notice that annoy the hell out of me - the
worst being the placement of the forward seat post.
That's why I have a thing about Bluefin boats. They aren't the
prettiest nor are they cosmetically perfect, but the damn things ride
like a dream in all weather, are very nicely fit out for fishing and
tough as hell.
Another boat that I have been consistently impressed with are the
Polar series boats. They are good looking, form/fit/function are damn
close to perfect and they are very nicely laid out from an ergonomic
standpoint.
We've had this magazine "pro/con" debate before. For my money, if you
want a truly objective report, ask owners about the boat, not the
dealer. A lot of negative boat reports are related to the dealer, not
the boat. You can get a good idea from the manufacturer's information
and reading "test" reports in the magazines, but you will get closer
to the truth by asking owners.
Later,
Tom
Dr. Karen Grear MD, PHD
The post you responded to was on topic. Boat reviews in magazines are fluff
pieces for the boat builder, they read like the boat manufacturer gave you
the piece and you just signed your name. Karen calls these posts SPAM, and
they are. I am amazed you actually try to convenience anyone they aren't.
A new boater should understand the boat magazines make money by using their
fluff PR pieces to sell ads and to sell reprints of the articles so the
dealers can give them to everyone interested in the boat.
Your contention that the reviews are always positive because every boat
design is superb and all boat manufactures build quality boats shows you
believe the buyers are gullible. Everyone who has responded to my statement
that boat reviews are fluff PR pieces have agreed with me. NO boater in the
group buys into your BS.
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Dr. Karen Grear MD, PHD
Gould will not give you an opinion because he doesn't want to bite the hand
that feeds him. He gets paid to make every boat he reviews seem like the
best thing since sliced bread. If he ever gave an honest review he would be
scared he might loose ad revenue.
Would you believe any movie reviewer who loved every movie he reviewed?
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NOYB
> Gould,
> The post you responded to was on topic. Boat reviews in magazines are
> fluff pieces for the boat builder, they read like the boat manufacturer
> gave you the piece and you just signed your name. Karen calls these posts
> SPAM, and they are. I am amazed you actually try to convenience anyone
> they aren't.
>
> A new boater should understand the boat magazines make money by using
> their fluff PR pieces to sell ads and to sell reprints of the articles so
> the dealers can give them to everyone interested in the boat.
>
> Your contention that the reviews are always positive because every boat
> design is superb and all boat manufactures build quality boats shows you
> believe the buyers are gullible. Everyone who has responded to my
> statement that boat reviews are fluff PR pieces have agreed with me.
Boating magazine is one of the worse. But, hey, what do you expect? They're
a French-owned company.
Powerboat Reports seems very objective in their reviews, however.
NOYB
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>
> "Dr. Karen Grear MD, PHD" <dr....@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>> Gould,
>> The post you responded to was on topic. Boat reviews in magazines are
>> fluff pieces for the boat builder, they read like the boat manufacturer
>> gave you the piece and you just signed your name. Karen calls these
>> posts SPAM, and they are. I am amazed you actually try to convenience
>> anyone they aren't.
>>
>> A new boater should understand the boat magazines make money by using
>> their fluff PR pieces to sell ads and to sell reprints of the articles so
>> the dealers can give them to everyone interested in the boat.
>>
>> Your contention that the reviews are always positive because every boat
>> design is superb and all boat manufactures build quality boats shows you
>> believe the buyers are gullible. Everyone who has responded to my
>> statement that boat reviews are fluff PR pieces have agreed with me.
>
> Boating magazine is one of the worse.
"worst"
Dr. Karen Grear MD, PHD
be objective because they do not accept advertising. They are the
"Consumer Reports" for boating products. There reports aren't perfect, but
they do their best to be objective.
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>
goul...@aol.com
group buys into your BS.
*********
Actual boaters usually have an interest in the opinions that other
people hold about boating related issues. That's one reason they would
visit a boating related discussion group You non boating characters are
only interested in any statement or opinion that gives you a foothold
for picking fight, which is the sole reason you visit a boating
discussion group.
JimH
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Just curious Chuck. Do you actually believe that one has to own a boat to
be a boater? That seems to be your mindset, along with several others in
this NG.
Does past ownership count? Does "x" number of years of boating experience
count? Does continued boating on boats not owned count?
Does one have to boat on the ocean to fit your definition of a boater?
And exactly what is your definition of a boat? Is it any vessel capable of
floating while carrying a person aboard? Or does it have to be a custom
made 36 foot Lobster boat?
You seem to have a narrow minded view of how a boater is defined.
Lastly, as far as OT posts, I believe you would score in the top percentage
each and every month. The fact that you throw in some spam boat review once
in a while makes it OK?
Looks like what is good for the goose is not good for the gander....eh
Chucky?
goul...@aol.com
(disclosure, much of his post snipped- this was the operative point. He
will bitch that I didn't copy over his personal insults, but
tough.).....
Just curious Chuck. Do you actually believe that one has to own a boat
to
be a boater? That seems to be your mindset, along with several others
in
this NG.
Does past ownership count? Does "x" number of years of boating
experience
count? Does continued boating on boats not owned count?
Does one have to boat on the ocean to fit your definition of a boater?
And exactly what is your definition of a boat? Is it any vessel
capable of
floating while carrying a person aboard? Or does it have to be a
custom
made 36 foot Lobster boat?
****************************************************
Let's begin with the observation that if a "boater" were participating
in a boating discussion group, at least some of that person's posts
would be about boating. In two or three years, under
Dennis Compton, JimH, and all the other screen names in between you
have made what, 4, 5, 6 (maybe) boating related posts? Vs. 4,5,6
personal attack posts almost every day.
Boat ownership isn't critical. Lots of people charter once or twice a
year, and one could argue that they are "boaters". A lot of boat owners
don't get out that much more than charter boaters do..........but, the
key difference is that they have an interest in boating.
I do not call you a non-boater simply because you don't currently own a
boat. You sold your Maxum (I believe it was) when your wife's health
declined. If we can all hope that her health improves, perhaps you'll
own a boat again some day. When you participate in the NG, you discuss
people- not boats. For example, if you disagree with something I
express as an observation or an opinion you never raise a counter
argument or post a contrasting opinion on the same item, you simply
start spreading crap about hundred dollar bills being stuffed through
my mailbox, etc. You make no pretense about having any boating
knowledge.
Who was it that posted, jut over a year ago, that they only came to
rec.boats to cause trouble and saved their "serious" boating discussion
for other forums? Look in the mirror. You have admitted that you see
your role here is to be as destructive as you can.
You're not a boater because you have never expressed a serious interest
in boating.
No, you don't have to boat "on the ocean" to be a boater.
No, you don't have to own a lobster boat.
Any vessel that will keep you afloat in the water could be loosely
defined as a boat. (or at least a raft). :-)
We can only call 'em as we see 'em. You never post anything about
boating, therefore it is safe to assume you are not a boater. Wouldn't
matter if you had six of them sitting in your driveway, or whether you
took a charter cruise on an annual basis. If you were a boater, you'd
demonstrate an interest in the subject and some ability to discuss or
debate issues rather than
constantly pump your poison pen.
JimH
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Wrong. I have made about as many on topic boating related posts as you
have.
As far as personal attacks and OT postings, you remain in 3rd place behind
Basskisser and Krause.
> Boat ownership isn't critical. Lots of people charter once or twice a
> year, and one could argue that they are "boaters". A lot of boat owners
> don't get out that much more than charter boaters do..........but, the
> key difference is that they have an interest in boating.
As I do and most folks in this NG.
>
> I do not call you a non-boater simply because you don't currently own a
> boat. You sold your Maxum (I believe it was) when your wife's health
> declined. If we can all hope that her health improves, perhaps you'll
> own a boat again some day.
Her health is not improving. But I will be purchasing a smaller boat (the
Maxum was 35 LOA) when we purchase our retirement house on the water.
>When you participate in the NG, you discuss
> people- not boats. For example, if you disagree with something I
> express as an observation or an opinion you never raise a counter
> argument or post a contrasting opinion on the same item, you simply
> start spreading crap about hundred dollar bills being stuffed through
> my mailbox, etc. You make no pretense about having any boating
> knowledge.
As you often do. Just because I don't write a multi paragraph 1,000 word
essay does not mean my point was not expressed properly.
>
> Who was it that posted, jut over a year ago, that they only came to
> rec.boats to cause trouble and saved their "serious" boating discussion
> for other forums? Look in the mirror.
I was half kidding as you and many others here seem to do that very thing.
> You have admitted that you see
> your role here is to be as destructive as you can.
Really? I don't think so.
> You're not a boater because you have never expressed a serious interest
> in boating.
Sure I have, many times.
>
> No, you don't have to boat "on the ocean" to be a boater.
Good.
>
> No, you don't have to own a lobster boat.
>
Good.
> Any vessel that will keep you afloat in the water could be loosely
> defined as a boat. (or at least a raft). :-)
Well, I guess I am not boatless then as I still have an Achilles and motor
in the attic.
>
> We can only call 'em as we see 'em. You never post anything about
> boating, therefore it is safe to assume you are not a boater.
Not true. You just did not bother to look.
>Wouldn't
> matter if you had six of them sitting in your driveway, or whether you
> took a charter cruise on an annual basis. If you were a boater, you'd
> demonstrate an interest in the subject and some ability to discuss or
> debate issues rather than
> constantly pump your poison pen.
>
Pot-kettle-black.
JimH
for you:
1. No name calling. You can start by dropping the childish change of my
last name.
2. No dicussions of people...just boats. No politics. No religion. No
union talk.
3. Serious boating discussion only. No joking around about anything
related to boats. You must remain focussed and serious.
4. No personal attacks. I don't want to hear "but Mom, he started it".
Now that we have that straight let me say a couple of more things.
One can be a boater yet not want to constantly participate in boating only
discussions in a remote boating NG. If a topic is not of interest why
participate in it? Do you just talk boats 24/7 Chuck?
I have seen boating topics being discussed ad nauseum. I have seen boating
topics discussed here that turned into nothing but name calling and personal
attacks. Boating was still being discussed so I guess that is acceptable to
you.
You don't set the rules nor dictate them to me. I do hope, however, that
*you* start following the rules you have now set.
NOYB
"Harry Krause" <piedty...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> interesting. No one is doing the testing on new boats that real
> comparative reviews require, and that includes the rather dull,
> overpriced, "no advertising" newsletter to which some refer here.
>
> If I'm buying a small, new boat, I am capable of judging its quality and
> after a ride in choppy water, judging its capabilities. If it is a larger
> boat, I depend upon my knowledge base, the opinions of others, and when
> necessary, experts one can hire for their "expert" opinion.
>
> I read Chuck's stuff and the stuff in other magazines because I like
> reading about boats, not because I want to find something to nitpick.
>
> We are plagued in this newsgroup by non-boating buttwipers. There seems to
> be nothing that can be done about it.
Is this the real Harry or the Tuuked Harry?
goul...@aol.com
Wrong. I have made about as many on topic boating related posts as you
have.
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Hate to break this to you, but look up your posting history in Google.
The archives are not your friend when you make this claim.
"Gould is a lying asshole" is not a boating related post, even if
interjected into a boating related thread. "Harry is a lying asshole"
doesn't count, either, nor do attacks on jps, basskisser, or any of
your other prefered victims.
I am not saying that you don't participate in boating related threads,
only that you do not participate with any boating related comments or
content. That's an unassailable fact.
Prove me wrong by listing several examples of posts you have made
regarding boating issues, (where those posts are not merely serving as
a vehicle for name calling and personal attack), rather than by simply
denying the painfully obvious. Sadly, you cannot, and if you respond to
this challenge it will be with some witty phrase like "pot, kettle,
black". :-(
You claim to have an interest in boats or boating, but actions speak
louder than words and yours indicate only an interest in lobbing insult
and seeking personal confrontations. Hey, everybody has to have a
hobby. Yours is plainly evident. No big deal, but why make a pretense
that your behavior is the fault of someone else, justified by something
somebody else does, and better or worse than the behavior of another
participant? It's not unreasonable to assume you are putting your best
foot forward- and from a boating perspective nobody could possibly be
even taking note, let alone impressed.
Love to stick around and chat, but coffee break's over and I need to
get back to work. There's a severe shortage of hundred dollar bills in
this morning's mail, and If I'm going to buy up the rest of your
neighborhood I'll have to write 2-3 more reviews. :-)
JimH
<goul...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Chuck's rule #2. No discussions of people...just boats. Broken.
Chuck's rule #4. No personal attacks. Broken.
John H
Agree with what you say, although I've found that owners are usually somewhat
biased.
I thought, if Chuck had 'test driven' the three boats he could provide some
feedback on his perceptions.
If he can't, he can't. No big deal.
goul...@aol.com
Hurtwit the hypocrite hit his stride just after the ecstacy kicked in
and wrote:
************
Responses:
To "BTW:.........." I never set any rules nor proposed any. The last
time we exchanged thoughts on this subject was after I objected to one
of your insulting posts in which you called me a "liar".
Do you recall that your response was "Liar isn't an insult, because I
believe it to be true"? Do you recall that I then reserved the right to
make statements about you, and that the standard shall be that as long
as I sincerely believe them to be true you cannot, in return, complain
about insult? I believe you are of less than average intellect, display
some serious emotional or personality disorders, and show no real
interest or ability to ever participate in this group, (in a
constructive way), in any on-topic discussion. I believe you make every
effort to drag on-topic discussions down to the flame war level so you
can be somehow involved. None of those statements can be considered
insulting, under the terms and definition you advanced when explaing
why calling me a "liar" each time you disagreed with one of my
opionions was not an insult.
To: No name changing....... Sorry hurtwit, take that up with "Chucky."
To: No discussion of politics, unions, religion, etc........I am
willing to discuss any topic that somebody cares to raise. Once in a
while there's a reasonable person on the other end of the argument, but
all too often just somebody trolling for a flame.
To: Serious discussion only..........Why? This pastime is supposed to
be fun. You may find this surprising, but for a lot of people fun
doesn't revolve around being as anti-social and destructive as
possible.
To: NO personal attacks.....Puhleaze. That would shut you down,
completely and immediately.
To: "I don't want to hear "But, Mom, he started it....." don't worry
hurtwit. You won't hear that.There's not one chance in a million I'd
ever confuse you with my Mom.
To: Do I just talk boats 24/7? No. Of course not. But the difference
between us, (and the reason I say you are not a boater), is that I
often do- and can- talk about boats. Well enough that some of my
opinions are controversial.
To: "I have seen boating topics discussed here that turned into nothing
but name calling and personal attacks". I agree. Shall we use the 260
Defiance thread as an example? You have had a very up front and
personal view of boating threads turning into flame wars and exchanges
of personal attacks.
To: ........start following the rules you have now set. Sorry, hurtwit.
I haven't set any rules. I don't expect you to follow any rules,
either, or to post in a civil manner. It would be nice however if you'd
stop wailing and bawling when somebody hands you a bucket load of your
own crap in return.
Be proud of who and what you are. Why pee and moan when people
acknowledge your particular role in the world or "unique" contributions
to a NG? Take a lesson from your new psycophant in this regard, she's
twice as destructive as you are and revels in her glory. :-)
JimH
<goul...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Chuck Gould posted the following rules on 2/10/05 at 2:10 p.m. est in
rec.boats. I added some personal observations in parenthesis:
Chuck's rule #1. No name calling. (You can start by dropping the childish
change of my
last name.)
Chuck's rule #2. No discussions about people No politics. No religion.
No
union talk. No talk about war. Boat talk only.
Chuck's rule #3. Serious boating discussion only. No joking around about
anything
related to boats or anything else. One must remain focused and serious when
discussing boating.
Chuck's rule #4. No personal attacks. (I don't want to hear "but Mom, he
started it".)
Chuck's rule #5. A contributor to rec.boats is rated only on the percentage
of boating related topics he/she contributes to the NG. In order to be
considered a contributor one must be 100% on topic with no side bars on non
related items. See rule #3. Chuck Gould will be the ultimate judge as to
ones rating.
Chuck has failed to live by his own rules.
A real shame as he was once a great contributor to this NG.
NOYB
"JimH" <M...@aol.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> A real shame as he was once a great contributor to this NG.
Isn't he long overdue for another sabbatical?
JimH
Yep. Time for him to pick up his ball and bat and run home to Mommy again
like he did a year or two ago. If I recall correctly he threatened never
to return again......yet he did, and with a vengeance.
He is once again showing all the signs of being over the edge. Perhaps
Krause's wife could offer an on line diagnosis of his problems.
Something to note: He is not following the rules he set this afternoon at
2:10 p.m. est. I added some personal observations in parenthesis:
Chuck's rule #1. No name calling. (You can start by dropping the childish
change of my
last name.)
Chuck's rule #2. No discussions about people No politics. No religion.
No
union talk. No talk about war. Boat talk only.
Chuck's rule #3. Serious boating discussion only. No joking around about
anything
related to boats or anything else. One must remain focused and serious when
discussing boating.
Chuck's rule #4. No personal attacks. (I don't want to hear "but Mom, he
started it".)
Chuck's rule #5. A contributor to rec.boats is rated only on the percentage
of boating related topics he/she contributes to the NG. In order to be
considered a contributor one must be 100% on topic with no side bars on non
related items. See rule #3. Chuck Gould will be the ultimate judge as to
ones rating.
Chuck has broken all his rules several times today. He has been a bad boy.
Personal note to Chuck: Take a break from this NG. It would be the best
thing for you.;-)
goul...@aol.com
Something to note: He is not following the rules he set this afternoon
at
2:10 p.m. est.
**********************************************
I did not post any rules at 2:10 PM or any other time.
Who has gone over the edge here? Not me.
JimH
<goul...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Chuck Gould posted the following rules on 2/10/05 at 2:10 p.m. est in
rec.boats. I added some personal observations in parenthesis:
Chuck's rule #1. No name calling. (You can start by dropping the childish
change of my
last name.)
Broken at least 7 times today after he himself set the rules.
Shame, shame Chuck. Time for you to take a break and run home with your
ball and bat like you did a year or so ago. You are losing it Chuck.
goul...@aol.com
They're garbage. That's all. And you, Chuckster, encourage them by
responding directly to their posts.
******************
That's uncharitable, Harry.
JimH is obviously under some serious emotional stress right now. His
wife has been ill, and maybe he's losing whatever grip he used to have.
He has made it his life's work to follow me around and lob insults. Who
knows why? But there's still some redeemable qualities in everybody,
even a guy who lives for flame wars and seeks to start as many as he
can.
The other guys you mention appear here so seldom they don't amount to
much. Herring is an exception. John is an asset to the group, as is
NOYB.
None of these people are garbage. Don't forget to take a progressive
view of the situation. We libs are supposed to be tolerant, it's the
right wingers who are supposed to yell (as JimH is now doing) "conform
to my standards or get the hell out of here", not the enlightened and
tolerant lefties. :-)
JimH
<goul...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1108089839.2...@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Chuck Gould posted the following rules on 2/10/05 at 2:10 p.m. EST in
rec.boats. I added some personal observations in parenthesis:
Chuck's rule #1. No name calling. (You can start by dropping the childish
change of my
last name.)
Chuck's rule #2. No discussions about people No politics. No religion.
No
union talk. No talk about war. Boat talk only.
Chuck's rule #3. Serious boating discussion only. No joking around about
anything
related to boats or anything else. One must remain focused and serious when
discussing boating.
Chuck's rule #4. No personal attacks. (I don't want to hear "but Mom, he
started it".)
Chuck's rule #5. A contributor to rec.boats is rated only on the percentage
of boating related topics he/she contributes to the NG. In order to be
considered a contributor one must be 100% on topic with no side bars on non
related items. See rule #3. Chuck Gould will be the ultimate judge as to
ones rating.
Since he posted these rules he has broken all of them numerous times.
I think it is time for Chuck to step away from this NG and take a break from
it like he did a year or so ago.
goul...@aol.com
Since he posted these rules he has broken all of them numerous times.
I think it is time for Chuck to step away from this NG and take a break
from
it like he did a year or so ago.
*************
Has the medication not worn off, yet, to the point where you remember
that *you* posted the rules you have been attributing to me?
If you are actually this confused you really need some help. If you're
just pretending to be demented, you are a seriously sad bastard.
P. Fritz
Once again, we have the liebrals whining about the very things they are
guilty of.
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