3.0 L Merc enough for 19 ft cuddy?
bob
engine? Would a 4.3 L Merc make a huge difference? Bayliner seems to
package this boat with this motor. I sure would appreciate some opinions.
HLAviation
>engine? Would a 4.3 L Merc make a huge difference? Bayliner seems to
>package this boat with this motor. I sure would appreciate some opinions.
>
No, yes, doesn't surprise me since it's cheaper that way, there you have them.
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Tom Brown
Bob, I'm not familiar with that particular model but 140 hp on a 19' cuddy is
blindingly under powered. Let me guess, they won't allow you to run a sea
trial? I'd bet the 3.0 liter is the reason the boat is for sale. I wouldn't
touch it.
Good luck,
Tom Brown
Willie Mays Hays
How many people you going out with? What kind of water? If you buy
this boat you'll get the best gas mileage of anyone on the water. Just
depends on the money you have to spend and what you need from the
boat. Make sure you take it out and another with a bigger engine so
you know what you will be missing. Either way, summers going fast, get
out and enjoy.
"A boat is a terrible thing to waste"
any typos blame it on 2 am and the dakuris!!
Chuck
Lloyd Sumpter
I have an 18-ft hardtop with a 2.5L and I think it's just fine. I don't
ski, but the hole shot seems plenty sharp enough. Cruises at 25-30mph, top
end about 35. Fine for me: I usually cruise at about 22 anyway because of
the lumps on the Strait.
I do like the 4.3 better, but just because it's a V6 rather than an
inline 4.
Lloyd Sumpter
"Free Time" Campion 18 - http://members.home.net/lsumpter/Campion
Diver
the 5.7 but the 5.0 would be fine.
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If you're looking to pack 5-6 people in the boat and still pull skiers, then
you will be unhappy with this boat. If you do lots of cruising, maybe the
odd skiing and tubing, then it will work great (I'm 6'2, 200 lbs, and it
will pull me skiing with 3 people in the boat).
This boat isn't available with the 4.3L, only the 3.0L. It's not designed
as a ski boat but as an entry-priced family cruiser, which is exactly what
it is. And the fuel efficiency is unbelievable.
The meat of the matter is that the 1950 model (same boat but a bowrider) is
Bayliner's #1 selling model, with that 3.0L motor in it, and has been for
many years. That many buyers can't be wrong, you just have to make sure you
know what you're looking for in a boat.
Jeff Lorch
Manager
--
Performance Marine
3310 Pasqua Street
Regina, SK S4S 7G8
Canada
Tel: (306) 586-2628
Fax: (306) 585-1328
www.performanceregina.com
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Richard Bonnett
The motor is fine for this size boat. Additional power means more gas consumed
and a little more power for skiiers. The boat loading is a consideration...IF
you carry a large load normally, then get the larger engine but It has not been
a problem
for me.
I would not recommend getting an older Bayliner though. They used plywood
under the carpets, poor quality materials ; and in this case, the cuddy has
vinyl that will crack and become a cost to repair.
I would suggest a more rugged boat with a better hull design to handle waters
rougher than a 1 foot chop-river. I have pushed mine to 2-3 foot chop and
taken
a beating. I bought the cuddy concept for obvious reasons....but it is a
compromise
to all other reasons. You could re-consider your purposes of getting the
boat ....
tell us what your primary uses will be...
Different styles of boat suit different purposes. The Bayliner Cuddy was ok
as a starter boat but it took years to pay off the loan and one does not want
to 'lose' money at time of re-sale... [Bayliners lose in the re-sale market
more so than many other Brands ..] So save some money and re-think your
buying decision.
Tom Brown
> The question of "enough power" depends strongly upon what your demands are.
Jeff, I recall hearing someone from your establishment tell a potential
customer, "it has 140 horse, so it will really perform". It was an 18 foot
Bayliner I/O. Have you ever noticed the number of Bayliners that are for sale
in the LeaderPost? Doesn't the number of near new Bayliners that are for sale
bother you? I believe that the sales numbers that Bayliner enjoys are directly
attributable to the selling price, not the suitability to any task.
> Jeff Lorch
Tom Brown
David Puddy
and find it be fine for my needs (double tubing, skiing -I'm 6'2 250 lbs)
and it gets me up no trouble with two in the boat. It tops out about 36 mph.
This is my first boat so it may be a matter of not knowing what I'm missing
but until then it's fine for me. It also appears to be pretty decent on gas
as well.
DP
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-rick-
>The meat of the matter is that the 1950 model (same boat but a bowrider) is
>Bayliner's #1 selling model, with that 3.0L motor in it, and has been for
>many years. That many buyers can't be wrong, you just have to make sure you
>know what you're looking for in a boat.
I won't fault your opinion, only your logic. I think (my opinion
only) that the majority is often wrong or ill informed. Or maybe we
should all eat sh*t... if 100 billion flies can't be wrong that is.
Seriously, get a test ride before deciding. Load it up like you plan
to use it.
-rick-
Alan
>I am looking at a 19 ft Bayliner Cuddy with a 3.0 L Merc. Is this enough
>engine?
<snip>
Bob,
Go to Bayliner's WEB site
http://www.baylinerboats.com/showroom-home.htm
and look up the Capri 192. They show it as being available with a
4.3L carb, 4.3L EFI or a 5.0L carb. They also show WOT speed test
data for these three engines as 46mph, 50.5mph and 51mph. (It's a
good bet they got those numbers under ideal conditions, since all boat
builders like to advertise good figures)
I have a friend who owned a 19 foot bowrider ( I think it was a
Larson) w. 3.0L mercruiser. He tells me that with his wife and 2 kids
on obard the boat COULD NOT plane. I don't know the details, perhaps
it was badly proped from the factory, but I'd stay away from a 3.0 L
in that sized boat.
Alan Hannas
Lloyd Sumpter
Note that most (all?) of the posters recommending against the 3.0L don't
have a similar boat, and most that do say it would be fine.
Lloyd Sumpter
"Free Time" Campion 18 - with 2.5L
hkr...@capuantispam.net
Depends on the definition of fine.
A 130-135 horse I/O will provide about the same performance as a 100-110-115
horse outboard on the same boat because of the 400+ extra pounds of the I/O
the engine has to push.
--
Harry Krause
------------
I don't suffer from insanity I enjoy every minute of it
Alan
wrote:
> Note that most (all?) of the posters recommending against the 3.0L don't
>have a similar boat, and most that do say it would be fine.
>
>Lloyd Sumpter
>"Free Time" Campion 18 - with 2.5L
>
Lloyd,
That's a fair observation, but your post suggests that those of us who
advised against this motor are speaking w/o the benefit of experience.
That's not necessarily the case.
Last Spring I was boat shopping. I almost bought a 18 foot Rinker
with a 135HP for a good price. After speaking with several people and
riding in a couple who owned 3.0L powered boats, I decided to pass it
up. My point is that people who advised Bob against the purchase may
well be:
1. People who previously owned these motors and decided not to buy one
again
2. People who have spent some time in a boat w/ 3.0L (friends,
rentals, etc.) and didn't want one for their own.
3. People who asked around, got opinions from owners, and decided
against it.
I've no doubt that the 3.0L fits the needs of many boaters. But if
Bob has kids who want to ski, tube or wakeboard, I think he'd be
happier with the 4.3L
Alan Hannas
Tom Brown
> That's a fair observation, but your post suggests that those of us who
> advised against this motor are speaking w/o the benefit of experience.
> That's not necessarily the case.
Alan, you could run for office. That was beautifully put and right on.
I wonder how the 3.0 would perform with a torque shift propeller. Now this is
an area in which I have no experience, but I would suspect that it would make a
decent performing boat out of that 19 footer. As I recall, anecdotal
information is that a T-S propeller can be compared to having two more
cylinders.
> Alan Hannas
Regards,
Tom Brown
HLAviation
>have a similar boat, and most that do say it would be fine.
>
>Lloyd Sumpter
>"Free Time" Campion 18 - with 2.5L
>
Lloyd,
I've had boats with all sorts of power plants, and while the one discussed
may be "adequate", I have found through experience that you are much better off
in the long run with a power plant that is 25%-33% more powerful than adequate.
Your engine lasts longer, runs easier, is just as or more economical fuel wise
as the adequate one, plus you have the reserve power for those occassions when
you do want/need it. Just because you have excess horsepower doesn't mean you
have to use it, although you can, conversly if you don't have excess
horsepower, it's not there when you do want/need it. In the used boat market
there are enough boats with similar qualities and prices, that you have the
ability to choose the power plant you want in a hull configuration you want,
and save yourself from finding out after your purchase that the boat doesn't
have enough power to do what you want. I'd like to have your Campion, I think
it's a nice little boat. I wouldn't do much to that engine though, when
something went wrong I'd replace it with either the 292 Chevy 6 or the 300 Ford
6 (the ONLY good motor Ford ever had) and probably convert it to an inboard.
But thats an expensive proposition, and the only reason I would consider it is
because what I want isn't available on the market. What this guy is looking
for is available and in hundreds of different variations. Might as well get
one of the variations that will cover all his needs as he now perceives them,
since it won't cost him any extra.
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Lloyd Sumpter
I understand what you are saying. What I was trying to say was that the
people saying the 3.0L is inadequate may be suprised at just how adequate the
smaller engine is. People in this NG almost univerally said the 2.5L 120hp
engine in my Campion would not be adequate. But I have found that, as you say,
it's more than adequate. I rarely run it over 3000 RPM, and just once last
weekend, I pushed the throttle all the way down, just to see how it felt. In
other words, I AM usually running at 60-75% power.
But as you say, ALL OTHER THINGS BEING EQUAL, get the most HP you can. But I
wouldn't reject a 19-ft boat just because it has a 3.0L in it, unless you wanted
to tow two skiers while carrying 5 adults...
(and BTW, I looked at dropping in a different engine when I bought the boat.
The 165hp inline 6 (the "292 Chev" you referred to?) is too long, and the 4.3L
V6 is totally different. Easier to buy a different boat. And converting to
inboard would have too much propshaft angle for that length and hullshape.)
Lloyd Sumpter
"Free Time" Campion 18 - at the "doctors" with a sick U-joint...
HLAviation
>The 165hp inline 6 (the "292 Chev" you referred to?)
No, thats a 250, the 292 was a truck engine used in the 40s and 50s.
> is too long, and the 4.3L
>V6 is totally different. Easier to buy a different boat. And converting to
>inboard would have too much propshaft angle for that length and hullshape.)
The angle would be ok with a V-drive, and you are correct, it would be EASIER
to buy a different boat, trouble is it's hard to find a boat of that style
(hardtop sedan) that doesn't have an outdrive. I could also make the 292 or
250 fit and put a pump on it. I don't like outdrives. Having been in the
maintenance business, I know what breaks most on boats, and what it costs to
fix things. I would never fix an outdrive on a boat I intend to keep, because
it won't be nearly the last time I have to fix it, and for the cost of going
through it 1.5 times, I can reconfig to a different drive like a pump or V or
straight inboard.
>Lloyd Sumpter
>"Free Time" Campion 18 - at the "doctors" with a sick U-joint...
Thats exactly the kind of crap I'm talking about. I/O s are high maintenance
and high repair cost. I wouldn't even consider one in the PNW where there are
log rafts that lose logs... Thump bang WHACK rrreeeeevvvvvv. What was that?!?!
Oh nothing, just $1200 (I believe thats around $9500 Canadian these days =;))
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Artworks
Don't fall into the Bayliner Booby Trap. It is deep and devious.
As a former and very unhappy owner, let me say that anything you buy from
Bay-LINER is going to fall apart when you need it the most.
You will spend more time at the shop then you will using the boat.
Subject: 1998 Bayliner 19cc.
From day 1 I had problems with the 3.0 Merc idling and stalling. The seats
broke. The steering broke. The seats broke again. The motor wouldn't start. The
motor wouldn't idle. The bimini fell apart. The wiring shorted out, the seats
broke again. The motor wouldn't start and when I went to pick it up, I tried a
"dry fire" and it still wouldn't start. The fuel leaked, the lighting shorted
out, cabin door fell off. The seats broke again.
PURCELL'S MARINE SUCKS!
Having paid off and scrapped said unit, I would NEVER buy anything else from
either Bayliner, Mercury, Nor any other product made by Brunswick Corp.
BTW, I just bought a new 20' Typhoon deckboat.
Frank
Tom Brown
> I wonder how the 3.0 would perform with a torque shift propeller. Now this is
> an area in which I have no experience, but I would suspect that it would make a
> decent performing boat out of that 19 footer. As I recall, anecdotal
> information is that a T-S propeller can be compared to having two more
> cylinders.
I'm posting this for James. I did not write this.
Posting news on my system is broken but I wanted to respond.
I have a 140Hp 3.0 on a 16 foot tri with a T-S. Before I bought
the T-S I used a 17" Al. I had a decent hole-shot and a top speed around
34 Mph. After I got the T-S I have a noticably better hole-shot and a top
speed of around 42-45 Mph. I need to get different cams for it (I currently
have 'Z' and need 'ZZ'), but I run without springs and it will shift for me.
I found it worth the money (I got it off Ebay used), but don't know if it
would be worth the price of a new one.
I still can't get my large brother-in-law up on one ski without a
prolonged drag (He usually gets up on 2 and drops one instead).
Mpseeley
Richard Bonnett
BUT.... No if you carry exceptionally large loads and want to pull
skiers at same time with too much weight.
The performance is mostly load dependant. This boat is not the
recommended ski boat... but will do tubeing and one skier .
Good for privacy while crapping in potty... etc.
Mpseeley wrote:
> No
JRossell
board and fair performance with four. I think you would be happier with a
V6 and should consider buying a different boat.
Good Luck. Roz007
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Chris Gattman
JRossell wrote:
>
> I own a 18' Sea Ray with the 3.0L. Good performance with two adults on
> board and fair performance with four. I think you would be happier with a
> V6 and should consider buying a different boat.
Same situation here and I agree.
-gatt
Pdthibault
your hauling/towing is critical. My boat actually got to 49MPH(GPS) with the
four banger, and a 18 in prop. But it had a difficult time pulling out a 250 lb
skiier. Get the 4.3L, you won't go wrong. It was a nice boat with those
qualifying concerns. Maybe thats why I sold it so soon.....
SPIKE