any info about PY23
f.j.andriessen
boat built in the US. In the Netherlands there is no info available, nor
are there any PY23-owners known to us.
Does anyone have information about this sailboat? her good points, and
her weaknesses? any experience with sailing a PY23?
Is it a popular type in the US?
Thanks,
Frank
f.j.and...@nbbi.nl
BRIAN FULLERTON
My parents had one in the mid-seventies. It was designed by Hunt and
Associates, who also did most of the O'Day line around the same time.
Paceship was a Canadian company, and the PY 23 was built in Nova Scotia
until Paceship was bought by AMF in '76 or so and production moved to the
U.S. I don't know how many were built, but I think it was a reasonably
popular boat - if I remember correctly our boat (1974) was hull #230, and
production continued for many years after it was built.
Most of the boats had a keel/centerboard configuration, at least in the
early years of the line. There was a fixed-keel model available as
well. The fixed-keel model sails better, predictably. Performance of
the fixed-keel model should be similar to a quarter-tonner of the same
vintage. The keel/cb model suffers a bit upwind, but isn't a bad boat
overall. The interior and cockpit are roomy. I'd say the boat was
designed more for trailerability and roominess than performance, but
given that it still sails reasonably well.
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David G. Flater
fand...@inter.NL.net (f.j.andriessen) wrote:
>A friend of mine is about to buy a sailboat of the type: PY23. This is a
>boat built in the US. In the Netherlands there is no info available, nor
>are there any PY23-owners known to us.
>
>Does anyone have information about this sailboat? her good points, and
>her weaknesses? any experience with sailing a PY23?
>Is it a popular type in the US?
>
>Frank
>f.j.and...@nbbi.nl
>
I chartered several of the Mahone Bay NS built boats in the mid 70's. I found
them generally well built and good sailors. They were a bit tender. I didn't
like the winch placement on what the commings that shielded the cockpit - bad
lead angles. the cockpit stayed pretty dry though for a 23' boat. Also, the
stock where the tiller attached to the out-board rudder was made of too thin
alum plate. I imagine most boats had this problem fixed 20+ years ago.
I liked the boat well enough to try to buy a fixed keel version around
'80, but couldn't find one. Bought a San Juan 24 instead.
DF
Steve Pitts
I currently own a '78 Paceship 23. It is an extremely well built boat
with many features you ususally don't see on a boat of the size and
price e.g. adjustable backstay, 4 winches with halyards led to the
cockpit. Wide beam and heavy though tends to be tender. Doesn't point
as well as you would want but is a very sturdy and durable boat. My hull
after 18 years still has practically no blisters. A decent beginner
boat but probably not a very active resell market when it comes time
to move up.
Michael Dunn
Scotia, up until about 1979. I think the molds were sold to an
American manufacturer, the design changed a bit, and then
marketed under another name, which escapes me at the moment. I
think all P23s and PY23s were built in Canada.
Being a neighbouring province, we have quite a few of these
boats here, and I have sailed a couple of times aboard a
friend's.
The boat is well-built, has a keel-centreboard arrangement, and
moves a little like a big dinghy. Considering her size, she
sails well. I have never heard of any sailing competitively.
Interior room is what you would expect with a boat of this LOA,
and it is sitting headroom of course.
I used to own a P23, which was a different design, a flush deck
keel boat, much resembling the Tanzer 22, a very popular
Canadian boat. There was once a lawsuit by George Cuthbertson
of Cuthbertson & Cassian, the C & C of fame, against Johann
Tanzer, alleging the latter plagarized Cuthbertson's design.
Michael Dunn, Shédiac, NB, Canada
Michael Ardenne
in Mahone Bay sometime prior to the 80's. There are still a great many
models and makes sailing our waters (the company also made the Acadian
Yawl, Westwind and Eastwind I believe). The PY23 is considered among the
best and most reliable of the small boat sailing cruisers. Hulls are a
heavier fibreglass construction than more contemporary hulls and the
standard rig can take a decent blow indeed. I have no qualms at all about
coastal cruising in the Paceship - Good Luck
Michael
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