Oh yeah, we need more of this...

[jps]

Aug 9 (Reuters) - The Tucson gunman who killed six people and severely
wounded Gabrielle Giffords has labeled himself a failure because the
former Arizona Congresswoman survived his rampage, according to a
prison psychologist's report released on Thursday.

The report's release comes two days after Jared Loughner, 23, in a
deal that will spare him the death penalty, pleaded guilty to six
murders and other charges stemming from his January 2011 shooting
spree at a Tucson supermarket.

Psychologist Christina Pietz, who evaluated Loughner at a federal
prison hospital in Missouri, said in the report that Loughner had
repeatedly made comments suggesting he thought Giffords died when he
shot her in the head.

At one time, he suggested he understood that Giffords was alive,
according to Pietz, who wrote that she pressed him on that point, and
he admitted to feeling disappointed in her survival because it meant
he "failed."

"I'm not an assassin," Pietz's report quoted Loughner, a community
college dropout, as saying.

Later on in the interview, he told Pietz: "Jared Loughner failed
again. He's a failure. So all of this would be for nothing."



Let's make tools designed to kill people widely available, that way we
can be certain that they'll eventually fall into the hands of the
criminally insane. Ammo too!

[BAR]

In article <4oi828ptrp0r8pmcc...@4ax.com>,
tr...@thedump.com says...

Ban all knives!

[X ` Man]

You're probably stupid enough to believe that the Arizona mass shooting
by Loughner could have been duplicated with a knife.

--
I'm a liberal because the militant fundamentalist ignorant
science-denying religious xenophobic corporate oligarchy of modern
Republican conservatism just doesn't work for me or my country.

[X ` Man]

On 8/9/12 9:20 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:

> On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 20:17:23 -0400, X ` Man <ev...@conservatrash.com>
> wrote:
>
>>> Ban all knives!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> You're probably stupid enough to believe that the Arizona mass shooting
>> by Loughner could have been duplicated with a knife.
>>
>> --
>

> Yeah, you need a bomb to do that kind of damage.
>

You have to be an ex-military rightie to do that, eh? You know, like Tim
McVeigh...

[jps]

On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 20:17:23 -0400, X ` Man <ev...@conservatrash.com>
wrote:

And that guy in Colorado could have easily killed 12 people and maimed
many more with a fork!

All this jibberish about guns, they don't do nearly as much harm as
canker sores. Ask Wayne LaPierre, he speaks the truth! Except when
he's lying through his teeth.

[jps]

On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 21:23:54 -0400, X ` Man
<dump-on-co...@anywhere-you-can.com> wrote:

>On 8/9/12 9:20 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>> On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 20:17:23 -0400, X ` Man <ev...@conservatrash.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>> Ban all knives!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> You're probably stupid enough to believe that the Arizona mass shooting
>>> by Loughner could have been duplicated with a knife.
>>>
>>> --
>>
>> Yeah, you need a bomb to do that kind of damage.
>>
>
>You have to be an ex-military rightie to do that, eh? You know, like Tim
>McVeigh...

It's great that guys like McVeigh and this cretin in Wisconsin can
continue to perfect their education in killing while living at home.

Nothing like perfecting one's craft.

[X ` Man]

Apparently, the far-right conservative lunatics, the skinheads,
neonazis, et cetera, encourage their young followers to join the
military so they can learn all they need to know about weapons.
In other words, our military is training our homegrown terrorists.

Sweet.

[jps]

On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 21:49:27 -0400, gfre...@aol.com wrote:

>On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 21:23:54 -0400, X ` Man
><dump-on-co...@anywhere-you-can.com> wrote:
>

>>> by Loughner could have been duplicated with a knife.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>
>>> Yeah, you need a bomb to do that kind of damage.
>>>
>>
>>You have to be an ex-military rightie to do that, eh? You know, like Tim
>>McVeigh...
>

>Or a college professor like Kaczinski.
>
>Any 15 year old with some google skills and a nearby Home Depot can
>make a bomb. Kids are blowing up mailboxes around here with 2 liter
>bottles and bleach.
>If you are ambitious enough to scrape the heads off of several boxes
>of kitchen matches you can make a heluva bomb. Put it in a 1/2" pipe
>nipple, coated with RTV and rolled in BBs, you got ya something.
>Bear in mind, most of the people killed in Iraq and Afghanistan are
>not killed with the ubiquitous AK47, they are killed by home made
>bombs made by illiterate kids.

Doesn't require a lot of ambition to buy a gun, some ammo in order to
affect retribution on a smaller scale, such as the white supremecist
did in Wisconsin.

Any jackass with a mastercard and a sick mind can do it.

And for whomever says a car can do just as much harm, I doubt it'd fit
real easily inside a Mosque where old men are praying.

[X ` Man]

On 8/9/12 9:49 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
> On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 21:23:54 -0400, X ` Man
> <dump-on-co...@anywhere-you-can.com> wrote:
>

>>> by Loughner could have been duplicated with a knife.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>
>>> Yeah, you need a bomb to do that kind of damage.
>>>
>>
>> You have to be an ex-military rightie to do that, eh? You know, like Tim
>> McVeigh...
>

> Or a college professor like Kaczinski.
>
> Any 15 year old with some google skills and a nearby Home Depot can
> make a bomb. Kids are blowing up mailboxes around here with 2 liter
> bottles and bleach.
>

Yeah, because there is no difference between kids blowing up mailboxes
and ex-military wackos blowing up federal office buildings.

[Tom Nofinger]

On Thursday, August 9, 2012 9:28:26 PM UTC-5, jps wrote:
> On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 21:49:27 -0400, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>
>
>
> >On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 21:23:54 -0400, X ` Man
>
> ><dump-on-co...@anywhere-you-can.com> wrote:
>
> >
>
> >>> by Loughner could have been duplicated with a knife.
>
> >>>>
>
> >>>> --
>
> >>>
>
> >>> Yeah, you need a bomb to do that kind of damage.
>

You speak from experience?

[John H.]

What's your solution, jps?

Should this country ban all guns?

[John H.]

Are you now advocating a ban on the internet?

[X ` Man]

On 8/10/12 8:39 AM, John H. wrote:

[Meyer]

Laws and bans only affect law abiding citizens.

[Meyer]

On 8/10/2012 8:48 AM, X ` Man wrote:
> On 8/10/12 8:39 AM, John H. wrote:
>

You are behaving like a parrot or chimpanzee.
It's been quite a while since you've had an original thought, Senor Krause.

[JustWait]

Most are ignoring him but he is escalating as usual... I would almost
unplonk them for a few to see what they say about the latest Obama admin
lie about Bain, but still, I really don't have time. Next week at this
time I will be at the track preparing my rider for the biggest race of
her life.... It's getting good, those of you who are decent can keep up
with us, over there at the FB.

[iBoaterer]

In article <k031tu$qsu$1...@dont-email.me>, motod...@gmail.com says...

What "lie about Bain"?

[Meyer]

I wish you guys good luck with the race and keep the shiny side up.

[JustWait]

Thanks man, it's getting nervous out there...:)

[X ` Man]

Is that where you'll be posting the photos of your new jobs as Wal-Mart
greeters?

[John H.]

No fair, you're not jps!

I really would like to see his solution.

[X ` Man]

Simple. Since all the domestic terrorists who engage in mass gun murders
seem to be righties, round all the gun-owning righties up,
put them and their firearms into a huge fenced area in Arizona or Texas,
drop in huge amounts of ammo, whiskey, crank, bibles and condoms (but no
food or water) and come back in a month to see which one is still alive.
Shoot him. If any of those righties held decent jobs, give those jobs to
the jobless and to hard-working Mexicans.

[X ` Man]

On 8/10/12 12:49 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:

> On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 06:14:51 -0400, X ` Man
> <dump-on-co...@anywhere-you-can.com> wrote:
>
>>>
>>> Any 15 year old with some google skills and a nearby Home Depot can
>>> make a bomb. Kids are blowing up mailboxes around here with 2 liter
>>> bottles and bleach.
>>>
>>
>> Yeah, because there is no difference between kids blowing up mailboxes
>> and ex-military wackos blowing up federal office buildings.
>

> The only difference is the target and the size of the bomb.
>

Oh, really? I used to blow up stuff on the sandbars at low tide with
cherry bombs. The difference is, it would never occur to me to blow up
an office building.

[Meyer]

On 8/10/2012 1:10 PM, X ` Man wrote:
> On 8/10/12 12:49 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>> On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 06:14:51 -0400, X ` Man
>> <dump-on-co...@anywhere-you-can.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>>> Any 15 year old with some google skills and a nearby Home Depot can
>>>> make a bomb. Kids are blowing up mailboxes around here with 2 liter
>>>> bottles and bleach.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yeah, because there is no difference between kids blowing up mailboxes
>>> and ex-military wackos blowing up federal office buildings.
>>
>> The only difference is the target and the size of the bomb.
>>
>
> Oh, really? I used to blow up stuff on the sandbars at low tide with
> cherry bombs. The difference is, it would never occur to me to blow up
> an office building.
>

Self destruction would suit you to a T. Try that if you have a penchant
for blowing things up.

[X ` Man]

On 8/10/12 1:27 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:

> On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 13:10:08 -0400, X ` Man
> <dump-on-co...@anywhere-you-can.com> wrote:
>
>>>> Yeah, because there is no difference between kids blowing up mailboxes
>>>> and ex-military wackos blowing up federal office buildings.
>>>
>>> The only difference is the target and the size of the bomb.
>>>
>>
>> Oh, really? I used to blow up stuff on the sandbars at low tide with
>> cherry bombs. The difference is, it would never occur to me to blow up
>> an office building.
>

> That is why I think it is more important to have crazy person control
> than weapon control.
>
> A crazy person will always find a weapon.
>


Do you know how difficult it is to "control" those you are calling
"crazy people"? How would you do it? It is not a trivial task, nor
should it be, to even commit someone for a three day psych evaluation.
Absent such an evaluation, what is your plan?

[iBoaterer]

In article <HdudnQehDNDt3bjN...@earthlink.com>, dump-on-
conser...@anywhere-you-can.com says...

>
> On 8/10/12 12:49 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
> > On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 06:14:51 -0400, X ` Man
> > <dump-on-co...@anywhere-you-can.com> wrote:
> >
> >>>
> >>> Any 15 year old with some google skills and a nearby Home Depot can
> >>> make a bomb. Kids are blowing up mailboxes around here with 2 liter
> >>> bottles and bleach.
> >>>
> >>
> >> Yeah, because there is no difference between kids blowing up mailboxes
> >> and ex-military wackos blowing up federal office buildings.
> >
> > The only difference is the target and the size of the bomb.
> >
>
> Oh, really? I used to blow up stuff on the sandbars at low tide with
> cherry bombs. The difference is, it would never occur to me to blow up
> an office building.

That's good for the wildlife and marine life..... asshole.

[X ` Man]

Uh, the "stuff" wasn't living, and the sandbars were covered by 6-10' of
seawater twice a day. Mostly we blew up milk cartons and empty
containers from canned goods, and when we were finished, we picked them
up and put them in the trash. We would have done the same for you.

[jps]

On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 22:57:51 -0400, gfre...@aol.com wrote:

>On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 19:28:26 -0700, jps <tr...@thedump.com> wrote:
>
>
>>
>>Doesn't require a lot of ambition to buy a gun, some ammo in order to
>>affect retribution on a smaller scale, such as the white supremecist
>>did in Wisconsin.
>>
>>Any jackass with a mastercard and a sick mind can do it.
>>
>>And for whomever says a car can do just as much harm, I doubt it'd fit
>>real easily inside a Mosque where old men are praying.
>

>Maybe we should be spending a little more time figuring out why people
>do these things instead of simply trying to put everything that could
>be used as a weapon on a high shelf.
>
>This is similar to the way we are handling airline security. Instead
>of targeting terrorists, we target the last weapon they came up with.
>That does absolutely nothing to stop the next weapon.

Guns are designed to kill. Box cutters are designed to open boxes.

[iBoaterer]

In article <QKWdnfaS5cay1LjN...@earthlink.com>, dump-on-

conser...@anywhere-you-can.com says...
>
> On 8/10/12 1:43 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
> > In article <HdudnQehDNDt3bjN...@earthlink.com>, dump-on-
> > conser...@anywhere-you-can.com says...
> >>
> >> On 8/10/12 12:49 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
> >>> On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 06:14:51 -0400, X ` Man
> >>> <dump-on-co...@anywhere-you-can.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Any 15 year old with some google skills and a nearby Home Depot can
> >>>>> make a bomb. Kids are blowing up mailboxes around here with 2 liter
> >>>>> bottles and bleach.
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Yeah, because there is no difference between kids blowing up mailboxes
> >>>> and ex-military wackos blowing up federal office buildings.
> >>>
> >>> The only difference is the target and the size of the bomb.
> >>>
> >>
> >> Oh, really? I used to blow up stuff on the sandbars at low tide with
> >> cherry bombs. The difference is, it would never occur to me to blow up
> >> an office building.
> >
> > That's good for the wildlife and marine life..... asshole.
> >
>
>
> Uh, the "stuff" wasn't living, and the sandbars were covered by 6-10' of
> seawater twice a day. Mostly we blew up milk cartons and empty
> containers from canned goods, and when we were finished, we picked them
> up and put them in the trash. We would have done the same for you.

So you don't think the blast from those cherry bombs would do anything
to the marine life around the bars? If so, you are stupid. And if you
think "we" can do anything to me, go for it, you fat pig.

[Meyer]

On 8/10/2012 1:41 PM, X ` Man wrote:
> On 8/10/12 1:27 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>> On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 13:10:08 -0400, X ` Man
>> <dump-on-co...@anywhere-you-can.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>> Yeah, because there is no difference between kids blowing up mailboxes
>>>>> and ex-military wackos blowing up federal office buildings.
>>>>
>>>> The only difference is the target and the size of the bomb.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Oh, really? I used to blow up stuff on the sandbars at low tide with
>>> cherry bombs. The difference is, it would never occur to me to blow up
>>> an office building.
>>
>> That is why I think it is more important to have crazy person control
>> than weapon control.
>>
>> A crazy person will always find a weapon.
>>
>
>
> Do you know how difficult it is to "control" those you are calling
> "crazy people"? How would you do it? It is not a trivial task, nor
> should it be, to even commit someone for a three day psych evaluation.
> Absent such an evaluation, what is your plan?
>
>
>

Half the time, those doing the evaluations are nuttier than the patients.

[Meyer]

Collateral damage don't matter so long as he's havin fun.

[Meyer]

On 8/10/2012 1:47 PM, X ` Man wrote:
> On 8/10/12 1:43 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
>> In article <HdudnQehDNDt3bjN...@earthlink.com>, dump-on-
>> conser...@anywhere-you-can.com says...
>>>
>>> On 8/10/12 12:49 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 06:14:51 -0400, X ` Man
>>>> <dump-on-co...@anywhere-you-can.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Any 15 year old with some google skills and a nearby Home Depot can
>>>>>> make a bomb. Kids are blowing up mailboxes around here with 2 liter
>>>>>> bottles and bleach.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Yeah, because there is no difference between kids blowing up mailboxes
>>>>> and ex-military wackos blowing up federal office buildings.
>>>>
>>>> The only difference is the target and the size of the bomb.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Oh, really? I used to blow up stuff on the sandbars at low tide with
>>> cherry bombs. The difference is, it would never occur to me to blow up
>>> an office building.
>>
>> That's good for the wildlife and marine life..... asshole.
>>
>
>
> Uh, the "stuff" wasn't living, and the sandbars were covered by 6-10' of
> seawater twice a day. Mostly we blew up milk cartons and empty
> containers from canned goods, and when we were finished, we picked them
> up and put them in the trash. We would have done the same for you.
>

You probably still have some shrapnel from the Campbells pork and beans
can still stuck in your brain.

[iBoaterer]

In article <50255ec4$0$1762$c3e8da3$dbd...@news.astraweb.com>,
fa...@ID.com says...

Or got their degree from some third rate diploma mill.......

[jps]

On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 15:24:58 -0400, gfre...@aol.com wrote:

>Ammonium Nitrate was designed to be fertilizer. What's your point?

Something that's sole purpose in design is killing vs. anything else.

[John H.]

So what's your solution, jps? Does continuous bitching in a boating newsgroup help solve the
problem?

[X ` Man]

Does your continuous drooling in a boating newsgroup solve *anything* ?

[jps]

Does Herring playing golf "solve anything?" Probably just frustrates
the shit out of him, confirms his lack of athleticism and furthers his
low self esteem.

That's the perfect opportunity to blame his failures on the black man.

[Earl]

X ` Man wrote:
> On 8/9/12 9:20 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>> On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 20:17:23 -0400, X ` Man <ev...@conservatrash.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>> Ban all knives!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> You're probably stupid enough to believe that the Arizona mass shooting
>>> by Loughner could have been duplicated with a knife.
>>>
>>> --
>>
>> Yeah, you need a bomb to do that kind of damage.
>>
>
> You have to be an ex-military rightie to do that, eh? You know, like
> Tim McVeigh...
>
You can put your wide brush away anytime, Harry.

[Earl]

John H. wrote:
> On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 16:45:10 -0700, jps <tr...@thedump.com> wrote:
>

>> Aug 9 (Reuters) - The Tucson gunman who killed six people and severely
>> wounded Gabrielle Giffords has labeled himself a failure because the
>> former Arizona Congresswoman survived his rampage, according to a
>> prison psychologist's report released on Thursday.
>>
>> The report's release comes two days after Jared Loughner, 23, in a
>> deal that will spare him the death penalty, pleaded guilty to six
>> murders and other charges stemming from his January 2011 shooting
>> spree at a Tucson supermarket.
>>
>> Psychologist Christina Pietz, who evaluated Loughner at a federal
>> prison hospital in Missouri, said in the report that Loughner had
>> repeatedly made comments suggesting he thought Giffords died when he
>> shot her in the head.
>>
>> At one time, he suggested he understood that Giffords was alive,
>> according to Pietz, who wrote that she pressed him on that point, and
>> he admitted to feeling disappointed in her survival because it meant
>> he "failed."
>>
>> "I'm not an assassin," Pietz's report quoted Loughner, a community
>> college dropout, as saying.
>>
>> Later on in the interview, he told Pietz: "Jared Loughner failed
>> again. He's a failure. So all of this would be for nothing."

>>
>>
>>
>> Let's make tools designed to kill people widely available, that way we
>> can be certain that they'll eventually fall into the hands of the
>> criminally insane. Ammo too!
> What's your solution, jps?
>
> Should this country ban all guns?

Illicit drugs are banned. How's that working? The same scumbags are
using both!

[Earl]

Meyer wrote:

> Laws and bans only affect law abiding citizens.

And those without a history of mental deficiency.

[Earl]

He's a whiner with no solutions that make sense.

[Earl]

X ` Man wrote:
> On 8/10/12 12:09 PM, John H. wrote:
>> On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 09:08:46 -0400, Meyer <fa...@ID.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 8/10/2012 8:38 AM, John H. wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 16:45:10 -0700, jps <tr...@thedump.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Let's make tools designed to kill people widely available, that
>>>>> way we
>>>>> can be certain that they'll eventually fall into the hands of the
>>>>> criminally insane. Ammo too!
>>>>
>>>> What's your solution, jps?
>>>>
>>>> Should this country ban all guns?
>>>>
>>> Laws and bans only affect law abiding citizens.
>>
>> No fair, you're not jps!
>>
>> I really would like to see his solution.
>>
>
>
> Simple. Since all the domestic terrorists who engage in mass gun
> murders seem to be righties, round all the gun-owning righties up,
> put them and their firearms into a huge fenced area in Arizona or
> Texas, drop in huge amounts of ammo, whiskey, crank, bibles and
> condoms (but no food or water) and come back in a month to see which
> one is still alive. Shoot him. If any of those righties held decent
> jobs, give those jobs to the jobless and to hard-working Mexicans.
>

Un-fucking-believable! You are insane, Harry.

[Earl]

Yet the latter took down four planes on September 11, 2001.

[X ` Man]

So, you don't have a gun, right, Earliepoo?

[JustWait]

The more we ignore him, the more insane he will get...

[JustWait]

Has JPS given his solution yet? Has he explained why so many of these
shootings are left wingers in blue states??? Oh, and why when some arab
fuck goes around shooting soldiers screaming about his God, it's not
terrorism, but some white fool goes nuts and it's terrorism right out of
the blocks??? I am so sick of the racism my government is pushing on us.
I NEVER OWNED A SLAVE!!!!! Period...

[Earl]

Not true. I have many guns and I am a target shooter.

[Earl]

You lefties are over the top!

[X ` Man]

Do the voices in your head sing in harmony?

[Tom Nofinger]

On Friday, August 10, 2012 9:42:41 PM UTC-5, JustWait wrote:
> On 8/10/2012 10:01 PM, Earl wrote:
>
> > John H. wrote:
>

Never.

[jps]

On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 22:51:50 -0400, Earl <earl...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

Earl, don't get down on yourself for this, but it requires a sense of
humor to keep up.

[jps]

On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 22:50:52 -0400, Earl <earl...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

Target shooting came to pass as a means to practice, in order to be a
better shot. That it became sport doesn't alter the fact that the
vast majority of guns are designed to kill.

[John H]

I don't bitch and whine about my golf game as you do about guns.

Again, what would your solution be?

You and Krause are quick to make a personal attack, but can't answer a simple question.

[John H]

So what's your solution, jps?

Does whining about it in a boating group help resolve the problem?

[Tom Nofinger]

On Friday, August 10, 2012 11:19:19 AM UTC-5, X ` Man wrote:
> On 8/10/12 12:09 PM, John H. wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 09:08:46 -0400, Meyer <fa...@ID.com> wrote:
>
> >
>

> >> On 8/10/2012 8:38 AM, John H. wrote:
>
> >>> On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 16:45:10 -0700, jps <I-am-...@puffer.com> wrote:
>
> >>
>
> >>>> Let's make tools designed to kill people widely available, that way we
>
> >>>> can be certain that they'll eventually fall into the hands of the
>
> >>>> criminally insane. Ammo too!
>
> >>>
>
> >>> What's your solution, jps?
>
> >>>
>
> >>> Should this country ban all guns?
>
> >>>
>

> >> Laws and bans only affect law abiding citizens.
>
> >
>
> > No fair, you're not jps!
>
> >
>
> > I really would like to see his solution.
>
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> Simple. Since all the domestic terrorists who engage in mass gun murders
>
> seem to be righties, round all the gun-owning righties up,
>
> put them and their firearms into a huge fenced area in Arizona or Texas,
>
> drop in huge amounts of ammo, whiskey, crank, bibles and condoms (but no
>
> food or water) and come back in a month to see which one is still alive.
>
> Shoot him. If any of those righties held decent jobs, give those jobs to
>
> the jobless and to hard-working Mexicans.
>
>
>

> --
>
> I'm a liberal

Brilliant solution. Krauser. Seig Heil!

[Meyer]

Neither can think independently and can only respond as directed.

[X ` Man]

On 8/11/12 1:50 AM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:


> In the case of the Aurora shooter the university had pinpointed him as
> being a potential threat but when he dropped out, they dropped their
> concern. Maybe instead of suing the movie theater, they should sue the
> university.
>

What do you think the university should have done after the shooter
dropped out in re: his mental health issues? This is a country with very
little in the way of decent public mental health services.

--

[BAR]

In article <3hsb281p2h7e3s9e5...@4ax.com>,
gfre...@aol.com says...
>
> On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 16:07:31 -0400, iBoaterer <bl...@dah.net> wrote:
>
> >> Half the time, those doing the evaluations are nuttier than the patients.
> >
> >Or got their degree from some third rate diploma mill.......

>
> In the case of the Aurora shooter the university had pinpointed him as
> being a potential threat but when he dropped out, they dropped their
> concern. Maybe instead of suing the movie theater, they should sue the
> university.

It wasn't the university's problem anymore when the shooter dropped out.

[BAR]

In article <0s1c289a6gvjoadem...@4ax.com>,
tr...@thedump.com says...

Target practice is a good thing, you learn to hit what you intended to
hit rather than spraying bullets all over the place.

[Meyer]

On 8/11/2012 7:54 AM, X ` Man wrote:
> On 8/11/12 1:50 AM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>
>
>> In the case of the Aurora shooter the university had pinpointed him as
>> being a potential threat but when he dropped out, they dropped their
>> concern. Maybe instead of suing the movie theater, they should sue the
>> university.
>>
>
> What do you think the university should have done after the shooter
> dropped out in re: his mental health issues? This is a country with very
> little in the way of decent public mental health services.
>

That's because the practitioners are mostly quacks who know little of
the workings of a human mind.

[BAR]

In article <502653d6$0$44524$c3e8da3$9dec...@news.astraweb.com>,
fa...@ID.com says...

The DSM is just a method for ensuring that the conditions in vogue are
considered to be diseases and therefore, fall under in-plan.

"By design, the DSM is primarily concerned with the signs and symptoms
of mental disorders, rather than the underlying causes. It claims to
collect them together based on statistical or clinical patterns. As
such, it has been compared to a naturalist?s field guide to birds, with
similar advantages and disadvantages."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diagnostic_and_Statistical_Manual_of_Mental
_Disorders#Superficial_symptoms

[iBoaterer]

In article <502653d6$0$44524$c3e8da3$9dec...@news.astraweb.com>,
fa...@ID.com says...
>

Or they got their degree from a third rate diploma mill in DC!

[iBoaterer]

In article <asta28pu93m8acejf...@4ax.com>,
salmo...@gmail.com says...

>
> On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 13:37:57 -0700, jps <tr...@thedump.com> wrote:
>
> >On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 15:24:58 -0400, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
> >
> >>On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 11:21:00 -0700, jps <tr...@thedump.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>>On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 22:57:51 -0400, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 19:28:26 -0700, jps <tr...@thedump.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Doesn't require a lot of ambition to buy a gun, some ammo in order to
> >>>>>affect retribution on a smaller scale, such as the white supremecist
> >>>>>did in Wisconsin.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Any jackass with a mastercard and a sick mind can do it.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>And for whomever says a car can do just as much harm, I doubt it'd fit
> >>>>>real easily inside a Mosque where old men are praying.
> >>>>
> >>>>Maybe we should be spending a little more time figuring out why people
> >>>>do these things instead of simply trying to put everything that could
> >>>>be used as a weapon on a high shelf.
> >>>>
> >>>>This is similar to the way we are handling airline security. Instead
> >>>>of targeting terrorists, we target the last weapon they came up with.
> >>>>That does absolutely nothing to stop the next weapon.
> >>>
> >>>Guns are designed to kill. Box cutters are designed to open boxes.
> >>
> >>Ammonium Nitrate was designed to be fertilizer. What's your point?
> >
> >Something that's sole purpose in design is killing vs. anything else.
>

> So what's your solution, jps? Does continuous bitching in a boating newsgroup help solve the
> problem?

Does your continuous self righteousness in a boating newsgroup help
solve the problem?

[Meyer]

I see. They finally wrote a book about Krause.

[iBoaterer]

In article <o3cc28heme6fcv7ar...@4ax.com>,
salmo...@gmail.com says...

Does your constantly asking the same question in a boating newsgroup
help resolve the problem?

[iBoaterer]

In article <k04gm8$a5l$1...@dont-email.me>, motod...@gmail.com says...

Who is "we"?

[iBoaterer]

In article <k04grh$a5l$2...@dont-email.me>, motod...@gmail.com says...

Just what racism is your government pushing on you? Please be specific.

[Meyer]

Are you talking about the protestant lady who is supposedly married to
an agnostic and got her doctorate from a Catholic college.

[John H]

Kevin, there is nothing wrong with being righteous. I'm not the one whining and complaining about
guns.

Can a liberal answer a simple question, or must they always resort to personal attacks?

[Meyer]

Which problem. There's a lot of problems that need solving. Be specific.

[Meyer]

Pot kettle black

[iBoaterer]

In article <bcnc285dpljn4m4am...@4ax.com>,
salmo...@gmail.com says...

Fucking bigoted bastard....

[iBoaterer]

In article <50265e9d$0$1444$c3e8da3$92d0...@news.astraweb.com>,
fa...@ID.com says...

I'm just as specific as that asshole Herring.

[iBoaterer]

In article <50265e14$0$1444$c3e8da3$92d0...@news.astraweb.com>,

If the shoe fits the swollen foot.....!

[X ` Man]

iLoogy, have you ever in your entire semi-adult life gotten through a
day without attempting to insult *everyone* you encounter? It seems to
be your reason for existence.

[Meyer]

There's your answer John.

[Meyer]

On 8/11/2012 10:02 AM, X ` Man wrote:


> iLoogy, have you ever in your entire semi-adult life gotten through a
> day without attempting to insult *everyone* you encounter? It seems to
> be your reason for existence.
>

ROTHFLMAO Harry, you are priceless. Is he your twin brother?

[John H]

Unreal.

[John H]

Well, Kevin, I suppose that's as literate as I could expect from a liberal.

[iBoaterer]

In article <a8n6vl...@mid.individual.net>, ev...@conservatrash.com
says...

The only people I insult are shitheads like you and Herring.

[iBoaterer]

In article <50266842$0$45197$c3e8da3$b280...@news.astraweb.com>,
fa...@ID.com says...

John doesn't realize he's a very bigoted old fart?

[iBoaterer]

In article <vktc281ui0qtkdalj...@4ax.com>,

And you are still very bigoted. And an asshole. Hey, are you really so
stupid that you think I'm Kevin?

[X ` Man]

You insult everyone here almost every day you are here. I'll keep track
for you, eh?

[X ` Man]

On 8/11/12 11:26 AM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
> On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 07:54:52 -0400, X ` Man <ev...@conservatrash.com>

> wrote:
>
>> On 8/11/12 1:50 AM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>
>>
>>> In the case of the Aurora shooter the university had pinpointed him as
>>> being a potential threat but when he dropped out, they dropped their
>>> concern. Maybe instead of suing the movie theater, they should sue the
>>> university.
>>>
>>
>> What do you think the university should have done after the shooter
>> dropped out in re: his mental health issues? This is a country with very
>> little in the way of decent public mental health services.
>

> The current answer I am hearing from the victims was that this
> evaluation should have immediately been put in the FBI NCIC database
> and available to anyone who is willing to look for it, including the
> firearms background check.
> Unfortunately that would also be available to credit agencies,
> employers and insurance companies. (hence the privacy concern)
>


I'm not sure, but I don't think HIPAA allows that.

[X ` Man]

On 8/11/12 12:38 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:

> On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 11:36:44 -0400, X ` Man
> <dump-on-co...@anywhere-you-can.com> wrote:
>
>> On 8/11/12 11:26 AM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>> On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 07:54:52 -0400, X ` Man <ev...@conservatrash.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 8/11/12 1:50 AM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> In the case of the Aurora shooter the university had pinpointed him as
>>>>> being a potential threat but when he dropped out, they dropped their
>>>>> concern. Maybe instead of suing the movie theater, they should sue the
>>>>> university.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What do you think the university should have done after the shooter
>>>> dropped out in re: his mental health issues? This is a country with very
>>>> little in the way of decent public mental health services.
>>>
>>> The current answer I am hearing from the victims was that this
>>> evaluation should have immediately been put in the FBI NCIC database
>>> and available to anyone who is willing to look for it, including the
>>> firearms background check.
>>> Unfortunately that would also be available to credit agencies,
>>> employers and insurance companies. (hence the privacy concern)
>>>
>>
>>
>> I'm not sure, but I don't think HIPAA allows that.
>

> Therein lies the problem doesn't it. Public safety vs privacy.
>
> You end up finding yourself in exactly the same position as the NRA
> and I am sure you are both uncomfortable there.
> Should a doctor or psychologist be able to put an entry in the NCIC
> that would block a gun sale and how do you do that without also
> telling everyone else why.
> It does open up the question, what else would that information be used
> for?
> Would employers avoid hiring that person?
> Would landlords not rent to them?
> Would it affect their credit score?
> Would they have problems getting accepted to college?
> That would, in effect, be like having "a police record" with all the
> ramifications that implies.
>


I would have no objection to requiring those seeking a concealable
handgun to subject themselves to a serious "pass/fail" psychological
exam by a licensed practitioner. This isn't foolproof, of course, but it
might screen out some sociopaths. Of course, the screens would be
subject to the wrath of the subjects. And of course, where would the
results of the test be entered.

I've never claimed keeping guns out of the hands of the crazies is easy,
but we sure need to at least start a rational dialogue about how to do it.

[Meyer]

Who's Kevin?

[JustWait]

On 8/11/2012 12:38 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
> On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 11:36:44 -0400, X ` Man
> <dump-on-co...@anywhere-you-can.com> wrote:
>

>> On 8/11/12 11:26 AM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>> On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 07:54:52 -0400, X ` Man <ev...@conservatrash.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 8/11/12 1:50 AM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> In the case of the Aurora shooter the university had pinpointed him as
>>>>> being a potential threat but when he dropped out, they dropped their
>>>>> concern. Maybe instead of suing the movie theater, they should sue the
>>>>> university.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What do you think the university should have done after the shooter
>>>> dropped out in re: his mental health issues? This is a country with very
>>>> little in the way of decent public mental health services.
>>>
>>> The current answer I am hearing from the victims was that this
>>> evaluation should have immediately been put in the FBI NCIC database
>>> and available to anyone who is willing to look for it, including the
>>> firearms background check.
>>> Unfortunately that would also be available to credit agencies,
>>> employers and insurance companies. (hence the privacy concern)
>>>
>>
>>
>> I'm not sure, but I don't think HIPAA allows that.
>

> Therein lies the problem doesn't it. Public safety vs privacy.
>
> You end up finding yourself in exactly the same position as the NRA
> and I am sure you are both uncomfortable there.
> Should a doctor or psychologist be able to put an entry in the NCIC
> that would block a gun sale and how do you do that without also
> telling everyone else why.
> It does open up the question, what else would that information be used
> for?
> Would employers avoid hiring that person?
> Would landlords not rent to them?
> Would it affect their credit score?
> Would they have problems getting accepted to college?
> That would, in effect, be like having "a police record" with all the
> ramifications that implies.
>

... without ever being charged or convicted of a crime, but progressives
see that as ok, as long as the folks they hold near and dear
(themselves) are not held to the same standard...

[iBoaterer]

In article <5026992c$0$51157$c3e8da3$9b4f...@news.astraweb.com>,
fa...@ID.com says...

Don't know, but John keeps calling me him!

[iBoaterer]

In article <k066sq$vhk$1...@dont-email.me>, motod...@gmail.com says...

More stupid, insane bullshit from Scotty.