Nice fish - 80 feet of water and not hanging on structure.
Interesting.
Very different is fresh water striper fishing. Stripers still like
structure, but it seems they like to hang further off by 20/30 feet
unlike salt water stripers. I don't do much live bait fishing, so
this has been quite an experience.
Need to explore the lake more - maybe tomorrow just do a scouting trip
and travel the shore line.
Having a blast.
Very nice and enjoy the vacation!
Our plan as of today is to get our boat back together(resolving fuel
issues), gear packed, and head out on either Sunday or Monday to Key
West for lobster season...
That's how we roll in the south! As for their location, because of
temperature differential, they'll seek a depth that pleases them.
Not too shabby.
Now did that fish give you a good fight or did it roll over and play
dead for you?
>Thanks for reporting in, Tom. Sounds like you had a good start to the
>orning already!
Having a grand time - love that lake and I haven't even explored 20%
of it yet.
Saw your last post on the medical issue - great news.
I'm not going to say I told you so. :>)
I hooked up with a pro guide yesterday at the ramp - tons of
information and he was kind enough to allow me to shadow him to spots
on the lake that seem pretty productive. He had an extra passenger,
so I took him on board my boat so it all was good.
I've learned a lot in the past few days including the care and feeding
of the blue back herring - that was really interesting. Didn't even
think of things like ammonia and Ph balance in the live well - the use
of rock salt and ice was something new to me too. I think I'm going
to have to rerig myh live well with carbon filters and change the
recycle system a little. The next few days of looking into this will
be fun.
By the way, if you ever get here to fish this lake, stop at Lake World
near the dam - guy is very informative, friendly and is not shy about
sharing information. Decent prices too.
I was using a drop shot technique to get the herring down - I normally
don't drop shot a lot preferring more natural techniques with
artificial lures - this live bait thing has been an experience.
One thing of note - the FLW bass tour is here for the big tournament
in another week and the pros are having a tough time with the black
bass. Black bass aren't cooperating - all deep and filling up on
herring. The pros are having trouble adjusting.
~~ snerk ~~
> I was using a drop shot technique to get the herring down - I normally
> don't drop shot a lot preferring more natural techniques with
> artificial lures - this live bait thing has been an experience.
I use the drop shot to get a chunk of bait or even a live minnow if I
have one...down to the bottom, but not actually on the bottom...maybe a
foot or less off the bottom. It's a killer for flounder.
Blueback's are hard to keep alive even with the best of conditions. A
round tank is really helpful, believe it or not.
>
> By the way, if you ever get here to fish this lake, stop at Lake World
> near the dam - guy is very informative, friendly and is not shy about
> sharing information. Decent prices too.
Will do, was actually talking to a fishing buddy about getting up
there.
>
> I was using a drop shot technique to get the herring down - I normally
> don't drop shot a lot preferring more natural techniques with
> artificial lures - this live bait thing has been an experience.
One technique when they are feeding well, is finding a bunch of
stripers, noting the depth they are at, then downlining live bait. If
they are shallow, then flatline, using little weight like a splitshot,
then when you are trolling around the pod of stripers, then bait will
rise and fall with the boat. Also, keep a rig with a 1/2 oz. white
bucktail jig ready, when you see a baitfish frenzy on top of the
water, start ripping that jig into them.
>
> One thing of note - the FLW bass tour is here for the big tournament
> in another week and the pros are having a tough time with the black
> bass. Black bass aren't cooperating - all deep and filling up on
> herring. The pros are having trouble adjusting.
Interesting! And thanks for the update.
>On Jul 23, 9:51 am, Short Wave Sportfishing <em...@swsports.org>
>wrote:
>>
>> I've learned a lot in the past few days including the care and feeding
>> of the blue back herring - that was really interesting. Didn't even
>> think of things like ammonia and Ph balance in the live well - the use
>> of rock salt and ice was something new to me too. I think I'm going
>> to have to rerig myh live well with carbon filters and change the
>> recycle system a little. The next few days of looking into this will
>> be fun.
>Blueback's are hard to keep alive even with the best of conditions. A
>round tank is really helpful, believe it or not.
Yeah - that was interesting. Apparently, they like to hang in the
corners of the tank and deplete the oxygen level there. You wouldn't
think that in a 35 gallon live well that wouildn't be a problem, but
after thinking about it, makes some sense.
Also something that I would have never thought of - the strength of
the recycle system in terms of water pressure - you don't need a lot
of power because they will hang near the spray and if it's strong, it
will know off their scales.
It has been a learning experience.
>> I was using a drop shot technique to get the herring down - I normally
>> don't drop shot a lot preferring more natural techniques with
>> artificial lures - this live bait thing has been an experience.
>
>One technique when they are feeding well, is finding a bunch of
>stripers, noting the depth they are at, then downlining live bait. If
>they are shallow, then flatline, using little weight like a splitshot,
>then when you are trolling around the pod of stripers, then bait will
>rise and fall with the boat. Also, keep a rig with a 1/2 oz. white
>bucktail jig ready, when you see a baitfish frenzy on top of the
>water, start ripping that jig into them.
Cool - that's good info.
I don't do a lot of fluke fishing. I have a few fluke rigs, but very
seldom use them.
Just something about fluke fishing annoys me for some reason. :>)
It's probably more related to the kind of guys who fish for fluke;)
Really? Well, flounder is among our favorite "eatin'" fish, so bringing
a few fresh ones home is always a treat.
Maybe. I use big baits looking for big fish and always catch shorts
or marginal keepers. :>)
Frustrating.
I know those big doormats are out there - I see other guys catching
them - I just can't seem to get the right drift or something.
I think it's the way I learned to fish for fluke. I learned using
hand lines believe it or not - never used a rod and reel for it. I've
never learned how to feel the fish out with a rod and reel.
Now that I think about it, I might try handlining in the Fall.
Well, it is a bit different catching flounder. It was a lot easier in NE
Florida, because the ICW and its creeks there are packed with oyster
bars, and fairly light tackle, a livie, and a light touch would produce
a flounder or a redfish, and if the water were a little deeper, maybe a
seatrout.
Around here, I head straight across Chesapeake Bay to the shoreline and
look for the 20' drop point and "shell sign" areas. Again, though, the
secret for me has been light tackle, a livie if I have it, or a small
chunk of any sort of bait if I do not, and sometimes a plastic. I use
small circle hooks, debarbed.
I haven't used a handline in at least 50 years.
You take extra good care of those Herring. They all deserve it.
Have a great time.
You need to get out on the bay with Harry. That guy *knows* how to get
flounder!
And he knows all about anything else in the universe, too! Just ask
him!
They don't have many flounder in Lake Murray.
Not a much further drive from where you are.
Where they do or don't have flounder means nothing. If you have the right
boat you can catch them anywhere.
Pshaw....little minnow! Use bigger hooks so the l'il ones will leave the
bait alone. G'won back out there with the boatwinch. There's lots bigger
ones than this l'il fellow waitin' to eat him!
Silly boy.....Usta fishin' in Yankee waters....tsk tsk....
I saw a shark fin swimmin' up the Ashley out front, 8 miles from the harbor
this morning. At first, I thought it was kinda far upriver for those
nuclear sub boys to be joy ridin' in the fast attacks, but then I noticed
there wasn't a hole in the top of the conning tower for the captain to
stand in and no antennas, just fin. You want 'im? Even the big alligators
were climbin' up into the swamp grass to stay out of his way!
That was 5 yrs ago, today the fish (especially the flounder) bite best
if you use a Parker with an open Flow-Thru Transom.
>On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 18:53:43 GMT, John H. <salmo...@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>I hear that with a Zimmerman-like flounder boat, you can't miss!
>
You're gonna get binned if you keep that up!
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
> 24 pound striper w/live herring this morning off the new SCE&G beach
> on Lake Murray this morning.
>
> Nice fish - 80 feet of water and not hanging on structure.
> Interesting.
>
> Very different is fresh water striper fishing. Stripers still like
> structure, but it seems they like to hang further off by 20/30 feet
> unlike salt water stripers. I don't do much live bait fishing, so
> this has been quite an experience.
>
> Need to explore the lake more - maybe tomorrow just do a scouting trip
> and travel the shore line.
>
> Having a blast.
--
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Home Page: http://www.seanet.com/~jasonrnorth
Hey, don't knock the Parker, Harry has put it's pink slip up for a bet
that he and I have. I have this funny feeling he'll chicken shit his
way out though....
And even if you don't, you can always throw the fish under the rear
wheels of the truck and make it a flounder. :>)
I have heard that low transom boats are 'da bomb for flounder fishing
- something about the free flow of water or something like that. :>)
Just for giggles, tomorrow I'm going to try a variation of the old
First American technique of thumping on the hull of the boat - we'll
see how that works out.
For some reason I can't figure out, I have a couple of bubbler teasers
(tuna teasers) onboard along with a heavy boat rod I forgot to remove
from the boat for the trip. I might play around with that for a while
- see if I can raise some stripers that way.
Hey - if it's a race, I'm in. :>)
My father in law lived to fish for flounder. He had a unique way of both
cleaning, fileting and cooking them and they were really good eating. He'd
catch a winter's supply during the summer, freeze 'em and, in his words,
"Nuke" 'em (cook them in the microwave).
I am not a big fish eater, but I have to admit, they were good.
Eisboch
I've recently become a fan of Costco's tilapia. That's a pretty good fish
for the price they charge. The little Belarussian kids love it too.
http://www2.journalnow.com/content/2008/jul/08/researchers-discover-possible-dangers-tilapia/
http://www.wkyc.com/news/health/health_article.aspx?storyid=92741&catid=7
http://www.scidev.net/en/health/editor-letters/tilapia-fish-can-pose-danger-to-ecosystems.html
Dude!
>On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 18:24:12 -0400, "Eisboch" <not...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Short Wave Sportfishing" <em...@swsports.org> wrote in message
>>news:5rhe84h4bbrv0169g...@4ax.com...
>>> On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 10:06:52 -0400, HK <payer...@mypacks.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I was using a drop shot technique to get the herring down - I normally
>>>>> don't drop shot a lot preferring more natural techniques with
>>>>> artificial lures - this live bait thing has been an experience.
>>>>
>>>>I use the drop shot to get a chunk of bait or even a live minnow if I
>>>>have one...down to the bottom, but not actually on the bottom...maybe a
>>>>foot or less off the bottom. It's a killer for flounder.
>>>
>>> I don't do a lot of fluke fishing. I have a few fluke rigs, but very
>>> seldom use them.
>>>
>>> Just something about fluke fishing annoys me for some reason. :>)
>>
>>
>>My father in law lived to fish for flounder. He had a unique way of both
>>cleaning, fileting and cooking them and they were really good eating. He'd
>>catch a winter's supply during the summer, freeze 'em and, in his words,
>>"Nuke" 'em (cook them in the microwave).
>>
>>I am not a big fish eater, but I have to admit, they were good.
>
>I've recently become a fan of Costco's tilapia. That's a pretty good fish
>for the price they charge. The little Belarussian kids love it too.
That's an interesting fish the tilapia.
The lobster of fishes.
If you saw "Dirty Jobs" last night, you might change your mind.. They
are raised in the desert southwest in huge tanks where they are used
specifically to eat all the poo that comes from the hybred bass tanks.
When they are too big, they are sold for food.. But they are raised
exclusively on poo.. ewwwwwwwww......
According to one member here...................."The Lobster of
Fishes"!
>The lobster of fishes.
Hadn't heard it referred to like that, but it is pretty good. Good for you
too!
Hell, everything you eat is either pre-poo or post-poo. So, what the hell?
Catfish eat a lot of poo too, you know!
>On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 23:07:19 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
Not sure what SW means. Isn't a lobster a big bug that lives in the
sea?
--Vic
Um....they eat...em...er...stuff.
Sewage treatment plants use them to help filter waste water.
SW previously posted:
"That's an interesting fish the tilapia. The lobster of fishes."
JohnH previously posted:
"I've recently become a fan of Costco's tilapia. That's a pretty good
fish
for the price they charge. The little Belarussian kids love it too. "
Child abuse?
JohnH loves them and is feeding them to his
Yup. Them lobsters will eat anything except beach whistles.
--Mike
"Short Wave Sportfishing" <em...@swsports.org> wrote in message
news:qkef84tn2tab3akjs...@4ax.com...
Believe it or not, I've never had lobster. Been offered it at affairs
a few times as a choice, but always took the steak instead.
Not that I'm averse to trying it. Probably better than snails which I
ate once - and only once. I like crab for sure, and crawdads.
My wife cooked that talapia once, and I didn't care for the taste so
told her not to buy it anymore.
Maybe I shouldn't have asked her the name of it.
I've been fishing for 57 of my 61 years, in a lot of places, and she
serves me a fish I never even heard of.
What the hell? It just ain't right.
The above info tends to confirm that.
But any of that farm fish doesn't taste right to me.
Told her to quit buying salmon too.
Eating fresh caught wild fish has spoiled me rotten.
--Vic
Even McDonalds and Subway are promoting lobster sandwiches down here these
days.
Had one from Subway a couple days ago. Sure was good!
>
>Even McDonalds and Subway are promoting lobster sandwiches down here these
>days.
>Had one from Subway a couple days ago. Sure was good!
>
That's real encouraging, Don. Lobster might finally get the respect
it deserves.
--Vic
Like you, the name tilapia, just turns me off. Now give me some walleye....
>Like you, the name tilapia, just turns me off. Now give me some walleye....
>
Now where have I heard a preference for walleye before? (-:
I'll bet it's the favorite eating fish of 80% of the people up here.
Fishermen, anyway.
Lake perch and bluegills are probably next, then crappies.
But that's from when those were all plentiful.
Remember the Twin Drive-In on Milwaukee, north of Palwaukee airport in
Wheeling?
That's all condo's now. But across the street from there is a
restaurant called Bob Chin's. Opened I think in 1990.
The Twin closed about '95. I do miss the drive-ins.
He flies his fish in - all sea fish - every day. Never had a bad
piece of fish there. About one in four times there they had Florida
grouper, and that's my pick. Otherwise tuna, swordfish or dolphin.
Come to think of it I only got the tuna once - didn't care for how
they cooked the thick steak. Too raw. So 1 miss in about 20.
Check it out next time you come up. I've heard the prices are steep
for dinner, but I always went there with the business lunch crowd,
and a nice fillet with sides was only about 10 bucks.
Haven't been there in 2 years though.
Here, found this:
http://www.bobchinns.com/bc_food.html
The sample lunch menu doesn't look like it has the selection
of fish you'll probably see, usually at least 3 types of fillets.
I always got them grilled "blackened" style.
Never tried the crabs or lobsters, but the fried squid and clams were
good.
Going to try to get up to Kenosha to the Brat Stop later this summer,
and take a look at the boats too.
--Vic
Here is my quarterly response to you --
Keep trying.
Well, monkeybrains, some Canadians from the Maritime provinces refer to
their part of their nation as *down East* because it is down river and
east of the western provinces up the St. Lawrence River.
Perhaps someday you can take your non-existent boat for a ride on the
St. Lawrence.
Read the fine print, it isn't lobster.
This from the turdblossom who needs three GPS units to tell him where he
and his old, clapped-out sailboat are on Long Island Sound? :>)
> The above info tends to confirm that. But any of that farm fish doesn't
> taste right to me. Told her to quit buying salmon too.
> Eating fresh caught wild fish has spoiled me rotten.
>
> --Vic
Move to South Florida. Tilapia has established itself all over the
canals of Dade County.
Wow, according to YOU, that would get you blasted out of your favorite
boards!
Never heard of tilapia before we moved to Florida. At that time, they
seem to be available mostly in supermarket fish departments, as opposed
to free-standing fish markets, and their appeal seemed to be mostly to
Latinos recently arrived from Central and South America. Nowadays, of
course, the appeal of the fish has broadened.
I can't say I've ever eaten any. Never bought it at the market, never
ordered it at a restaurant. Not knowingly, anyway. Maybe it is because I
only knew of cichlids as aquarium fish.
It seems the perfect species for Lake Lanier.
Also in the days of sailing, we were downwind from the 'Boston States'.
I don't know what they serve you hillbillies south of the Mason-Dixon, but
here, it's lobster.
Despite the handicap of sailing into the wind, many Canadians pressed on and
arrived on the shores of the Boston States. Many stayed and thrived but some
couldn't cope with civilization and returned to the backwoods of the
maritime provinces where they eventually won freedom in 1984.
I thought you didn't care for all of the name calling here.
Speaking of monkey brains You and your conjoined at the head twin JimH
should try to heed the advice given you by his three monkeys.
I thank the Lord every day that unwitting clowns like you are around to help
make my point.
Halifax was the birthplace for democracy in Canada.
This happened in 1758...before that ungrateful rabble vandalized the tea
supplies in Boston.
http://www.democracy250.ca/index.aspx
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They make me do it!
This is going to be so embarrassing for you Don. You better sit down and
read this.
I was off by two years, but hey, nobody's perfect. Enjoy the read.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada_Act_1982
Be thankful you are not downwind from Lake Lanier or Atlanta.
After watching an episode of Dirty Jobs and seeing tilapia being
harvested at a fish farm, my wife and I both vowed to NEVER eat it
again. Not due to its processing, but more about what they were
primarily there for.
Thanx, but no thanx...
...or the flatulent section of Florida.
You saw the same program I saw.. They were eating POO... POO, right
there in the middle of the desert so it could bake in.. They take them
directly from the poo tank, to the grocery! Nope, not happening..
won't eat it again either.
Duh! By that time the Queen was mostly a symbolic leader........
We ran our own affairs.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_North_America_Act
>
The St. Lawrence River and the 1000 Island area is a beautiful cruise.
I loved it. It was about 15 yrs ago, when I was there. When was the
last time you cruised the area?
Poor dumb Florida Jim knows nothing about Canada, either. I wonder if he
was this way before he took his boat to the landfill for disposal?
British North America Act, 1952
This was the first of the British North America Acts to be enacted by
the Canadian Parliament (rather than the "Imperial Parliament" at
London, England). This was possible under the provisions of the British
North America (No. 2) Act, 1949.
This act adjusted the number of seats in the House of Commons and
limited the number of seats a province could lose due to redistribution
based on the census to 15% of its previous number. Gave Yukon territory
its own Member of Parliament.[14]
What's it to you?
I thought you might enjoy some boating discussion.
Trust me..if London did overrule us at any time since WW1 (that's when most
historians feel we came of age).... we would have packed our bags and left.
Unlike the rootin, tootin shoot 'em up style of y'all down there, we tend to
evolve to where we want to go.
Don't forget , we needed the Brits because of a bellicose bully next door
that kept talking about Manifest Destiny.
Gee. Raunchy Piece of Schitt (RPS) found the secret wikipedia url.
With you? You don't know schitt about boats.
Trying to deflect the fact that your partner is as dumb as a box of rocks
kind of puts you in the same boat. (boating reference)
I don't really bother with your URLs, scheisskopf. So...when did you
finally dispose of that clapped out old Wellcraft. And you never
replaced it, right? You have no boat, correct?
Don't be so pushy. I never disposed of my boat. I don't know where you ever
got that idea. No more questions until you tell us truthfully and exactly
how you avoided being drafted.
You mean, you still have that clapped out Wellcraft? Maybe we can take
up a collection for you.
I didn't *avoid* the draft. I was exempted because of a federal job.
Here's something that will make you choke: unless you were a medic or
someone directly involved in the evacuation of wounded troops, whatever
*you* did in Vietnam had a lot less meaning to Americans compared to
what I ended up doing there.
You don't speak for any Americans. Whatever he did there does not
matter to most Americans, however the fact that he went there does...
You can not understand, you were not raised with honor or integerity,
that is obvious. Say what ever you want about me here in this group, I
have never been considered a liar, you are and have always been a
liar, and that means a lot as all we have here is words... Yours are
no good...
Sorry, I will get back to ignoring you again. Feel free to spout off a
few four letter words about me when you feel the need to prop yourself
up again...;)
> You don't speak for any Americans. Whatever he did there does not
> matter to most Americans, however the fact that he went there does...
> You can not understand, you were not raised with honor or integerity,
> that is obvious.
Yada, yada, yada.
There was nothing "honorable" about our nation's massive involvement in
Vietnam. Individuals who went there, willingly or otherwise, may have
acted honorably (or not), but the "mission" itself was a fraud. When the
United States was defending a government against whom Buddhist monks
protested by setting themselves on fire, its mistakes, at long last,
should have become apparent.
At the governmental and military institutional level, our involvement in
Vietnam mostly was an exercise in deception and corruption.
>
> I didn't *avoid* the draft. I was exempted because of a federal job.
> Here's something that will make you choke: unless you were a medic or
> someone directly involved in the evacuation of wounded troops, whatever
> *you* did in Vietnam had a lot less meaning to Americans compared to
> what I ended up doing there.
Wow, I love to hear more about this. Was this before you graduated from
College or after you worked for the Kansas newspaper?
I never worked for a Kansas newspaper, schitthead.
Oh, sorry I must have misspoke, I meant to say Kansas City newspaper.
by the way, didn't the Kansas City newspaper cover both Kansas and MO
news?
The Washington Post covers news in DC, Maryland and Virginia, among
other places, and has lots of bureaus. That doesn't make the Post a
Maryland or Virginia newspaper.
Was this before or after Yale?
Yeah, spell checking is very important to our national security.
Maybe Jimbo defaulted on his monthly payments and the repo man got him..
All you are going to get out of him is more double talk. If he gives you any
truth it will be sandwiched between lies. He could have been handing out
donuts at the USO or emptying bed pans based on his description.
I had a feeling that someone who handed out donuts or emptying bedpans
while in Vietnam had more important duties there than you did, but
neither of those were my jobs.
Honorable or not, how do you think your words sound to the Vets that served?
Give it a break.