Your dealer should call the factory. There are several reasons for these
symptoms, there is an extensive diagnostic chart and if your dealer's
mechanics have been to OptiMax school and have the necessary tools, they
shouldn't be mystified.
The Engine Light can come on for some of the following:
Low Oil Flow
Coolant Sensor Fail
MAP Sensor Fail
Ignition Coil Failure
Injector Failure
Horn Failure
Battery Voltage too high or too low
Throttle sensor failure
And a couple of others I don't recall.
How about the horn? What is it saying? What is the beeping pattern?
--
Harry Krause
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Don't shoot the moderator...they'll give YOU the job!
The beeping pattern is Morse Code for "buy a Honda"!
8)
To get 200 horsepower, you'd have to buy two 130 hp Hondas.
--
Harry Krause
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Okay, who put a "stop payment" on my reality check?
>
>To get 200 horsepower, you'd have to buy two 130 hp Hondas.
>
>
Naa. You could easily do it with a single Yamaha. :^)
Jeff
Sorry, but email address disguised due to unscrupulous spammers. Please respond in Usenet.
One Yamaha also is equal to two of the largest Hondas!
--
Harry Krause
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Carpenter: A guy who nails down his agreement
You're still partially misquoting that tired old magazine article? Po' baby.
BTW, there's a new member of the Rockhold Creek SeaPro racers, a fellow who
just took delivery of a V1900 1999 model just like my 1998 model, but his
was delivered with a 130 hp V-4 Yamaha two cycle. Unfortunately, *his* boat
also is faster than our other buddy's V1900 with the 130 hp Honda, or so my
buddy with the Honda tells me. I'm going to loan him my props this weekend
to see if makes any difference for him. His Honda seems to be running fine,
but it just can't seem to get his boat up any faster than 44 mph. The Yamaha
130 pushes the same boat at 48, he told me, but I might find out for myself
this weekend.
Apparently *some" Japanese horsies are bigger than others.
--
Harry Krause
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Pentiums melt in your PC, not in your hand.
>Apparently *some" Japanese horsies are bigger than others.
I've always heard that Merc horses are the biggest.
Seems to agree pretty well with what I've seen at the
waterski races.
I've never seen Yammies, Suzuks, or Hondas ENTER a race, let
alone win one.
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>In article <37C6C174...@erols.com>, HarryKrause
><hkr...@erols-nospam.com> wrote:
>
>>Apparently *some" Japanese horsies are bigger than others.
>
>I've always heard that Merc horses are the biggest.
>
>Seems to agree pretty well with what I've seen at the
>waterski races.
>
>I've never seen Yammies, Suzuks, or Hondas ENTER a race, let
>alone win one.
I've never seen or heard of a waterski race, so they must not
exist....
[big grin]
Yamaha, Honda and Suzuki have racing programs. For motorcycles. Racing
improves the breed.
I suppose it is going on, but I am unaware of any serious racing involving
Crusader marinzed engines. Certainly not in the high speed I/O market...and
who races inboards these days?
--
Harry Krause
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WindowsError 014: Window open. Don't look in.
> Hi Guys,
>
> I just purchased a new Proline 221 WA with a Mercury 200 Optimax Engine.
>
> The boat has been great but I have been having a wierd problem with the
> engine. Every so often the Check Engine light come on with the annunciator
> beeping. This can be a problem as the engine will only run at idle speed until
> the trouble clears by going into Neutral or shutting the motor down. My dealer
> has tried to fix the the problem by replacing the throttle position sensors
> but I continue to have the problem. Anyone else out there having these or
> other wierd problems?
>
> Marc in Ft. Lauderdale
Mark, there are a number of threads about this and a few other problems (mostly
excessive oil consumption) on the Bass and Walleye Boats forum
http://www.wmi.org/bassfish/bassboard/boats_motors/index.html?a=397482
excessive oil consumption) on the Bass and Walleye Boats forum - about six owners.
There is also a listing for the OptiMAX Registry WWW site.
http://www.wmi.org/bassfish/bassboard/boats_motors/index.html?a=397482
>>
>>I've never seen Yammies, Suzuks, or Hondas ENTER a race, let
>>alone win one.
>
>You never see the Crusader brand enter a race either, but they still make the
>best inboard engines.
>
>Could it be that building reliable and customer friendly marine engines require
>a different focus than winning races?
>
>Rich Stern
That's my point too. I have never seen any Merc's hanging off the
back of Sea//Tow and TowBoatUS. Using that logic, it must mean that
Merc's aren't very reliable engines. Otherwise, people in the
business of towing broken down vessels might use them. I have seen
lots of Yamahas on them.
Does this mean that Merc builds racing engines and Yammy builds
reliable engines built for commercial operation? Perhaps, according
to this logic.
Putting all the anti-Japanese sentiment aside, which is very prevalent
here, I doubt that anyone can make a claim that Yamaha isn't building
a damn good motor.
> Why in the heck would Yamaha or Suzuki or Honda want to be
> associated with something like waterski races? Bet you don't see
> their outboards advertised on TV pro wrestling either. Think
> class. High...not...Low. ;-)
Ooops, you are dangerously close to calling somebody's baby
"ugly", or at least promulgating a stereotype. Is there something
wrong with waterski races?
> Seriously...do you think the average outboard consumer really
> benefits much from motors that are just good for hole-shots and
> WOT runs?
No. But whether the individual benefits depends on how "average"
that individual is.
> Here's a little real info for you. ---- [snip] --- The means the
> typical power boater runs his motor at 2200 rpm *or less* fully
> 65% of the time...and is at, or below, 3300 rpm 80% of the
> time...and is at 4400 rpm or higher just 20% of the time.
> 4 strokes clearly perform better...the way average boaters
> actually use an outboard.
The "typical power boater" and "average [outboard] boater" might
be two different breeds. Outboards are a subset of all powerboats.
It would be nice to see the survey results classified by engine
type and HP range. I raise the possibility that the results of the
EPA study are skewed by large numbers of powerboats which tend to
be used differently from the way I see outboards being used.
For example, were I to take a survey of just the outboards on my
lake, it would probably be almost the opposite of the above.
Trolling is not too common anymore, but extended runs of 60-100%
power (cruise to WOT) are the norm, making up an easy 75% of all
hours put on outboards.
We have a few skiers, but most others would not be too concerned
about holeshot. The top-end difference between 2-strokes in
general and 4-strokes is almost a non-issue. 4-strokes would work
just fine for most on our lake, performance-wise. But a large
contingent of folks with 10-15 HP 2-strokes would probably no
longer be able to move their motors from boat to shed (and back)
unassisted, with the weight of the current crop of 4-strokes.
-- -- Marcus. ( be...@mail.med.upenn.edu )
>ae...@flight.net wrote:
>>
>> >How about the horn? What is it saying? What is the beeping pattern?
>> >
>>
>> The beeping pattern is Morse Code for "buy a Honda"!
>>
>> 8)
>
>To get 200 horsepower, you'd have to buy two 130 hp Hondas.
>
>
>--
>
>Harry Krause
Well, at least they'd both be quieter without all that BEEPING!!
Back in my last year of high school my buddy bought a new car. It had the
second best skid pad g force. was in the top 10% for accelleration in that
production year(these facts are the specs in the mags at the time, and in the
car makers ads) The car you ask the Dodge omni GLH. (BHAAAA)That car was a true
example of shit on wheels with good specs. Sometimes reading the specs takes a
little grain of salt.
>---
>According to the EPA and ISO, based on a nationwide study done by Univ. of
>Wisconsin researchers it was found boaters are:
>
>at idle for 40% of the time
>
>at 40% throttle for 25% of the time (40% of 5500 rpm would be 2200 rpm)
>
>at 60% throttle for 15% of the time (60% of 5500 rpm would be 3300 rpm)
>
>at 80% throttle for 14% of the time (80% of 5500 rpm would be 4400 rpm)
>
>at WOT for 6% of the time
>---
>The means the typical power boater runs his motor at 2200 rpm *or less*
>fully 65% of the time...and is at, or below, 3300 rpm 80% of the
>time...and is at 4400 rpm or higher just 20% of the time.
>
>4 strokes clearly perform better...the way average boaters actually use an
>outboard. Smoother, quieter, cleaner and more fuel efficient...that's why
>4 strokes dominate most all the transportation and recreational sectors.
All that proves is you like going slow. You're a wuss with a wuss boat.
Ran my buddy's Twin '62 Scott 75's today.... Nearest we can figure is
that the tunnel boat will blow over at about '63 mph........
We did, indeed, leave a humongous cloud of unburned hydrocarbons
in our wake, along with every rice grinder on the river.
Paul
ApoCalypso
Port of Mpls "Wanted, Old Mercs!"
Actually, it also proves he has studied the techniques of "the Big Lie." He
figures if he lies extravagantly enough about the alleged virtues of his
favorite kind of outboard, people will also believe his lies about the
outboards he doesn't like.
I don't think he's fooling anyone.
You ought to take a look at his prize boat. I normally don't comment on the
looks of other folks' boats, because it is a matter of taste, after all.
But, to me, his boat looks like what would happen if a Winnebago had sex
with an English telephone booth. The boat manufacturer's web page said Ted
Brewer designed it. Brewer must have been violently ill at the time.
Take a look and restrain yourself:
http://www.nimbleboat.com/nomad.html
Note especially the phone booth at the aft end of the cabin.
--
Harry Krause
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A real programmer's girlfriend wears a G$.
Ohhhhh. You're getting to him now, Paul. And wanna bet you don't go in his
killfile? He'll be dying to know what you say about him next.
BTW, I have a buddy with a motorcycle that's faster than his airplane. What
do you suppose *that* means? And it's NOT a Japanese motorcyle, either.
Uh-oh.
--
Harry Krause
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It's not bragging if you're telling the truth.
>
<<>>
> All that proves is you like going slow. You're a wuss with a wuss boat.
>
> Ran my buddy's Twin '62 Scott 75's today.... Nearest we can figure is
> that the tunnel boat will blow over at about '63 mph........
>
> We did, indeed, leave a humongous cloud of unburned hydrocarbons
> in our wake, along with every rice grinder on the river.
>
> Paul
> ApoCalypso
> Port of Mpls "Wanted, Old Mercs!"
Paul, does your daddy know you've been using the'puter again?
>>
> Did you read my post? I didn't buy the car dumb ass. If you read my post
and
>think I bought the car, then it is clear you lack any understanding of any
>specs you read or any thing else.
Easy, easy, easy there. The first rule of trolling is that "he who gets mad
first loses"......
Cheer up, I think you've created an enduring phrase: "a piece of shit with
great specs".. it's catchy!
Paul
ApoCalypso
Port of Mpls "Wanted! Old Mercs!"
>>>
>>> You're about as refined as a carbed 2 stroke Paul...always spewing nasty
>>> discharges.
Thank you very much! My favorite trick is to get a Mark 55 running with
its original cork floats in the carbs.
That's cork. CORK, C - O - R - K, a natural product. Then I get the
motors
to idle down to about 400 rpm. That's the same as your 'new' motors
with all the micro chips and Bilgewater aprroval and mine do it with cork
floats.
>>> Your fastest boat...goes less than half as fast as my slowest
>>> airplane...and burns at least twice as much gas doing it.
Ohhhhh gawwddddddddddd yes! The chest thumping of a Green
Weenie in search of dominence!! Yes, yes, your fast airplane!
What kinda airplane, gotcher self a spam can with a 235 Lyc and
a McCauley prop? Up to date on your AD notes?
>>> I'd suggest trying to take it up to 70 mph...and jumping a wake. Be
sure
>>> to leave your lifejacket at the dock first....by the 4 empty six-packs
of
>>> cheap beer.
Evil, hate filled speech from the Bilgewater Cult from Californy..
>>> P.S. Say hello to your "mate" Harry in the killfile...you just joined
>>> him...following your last few spews of rancid hydrocarbons. Pollute on
>>> old 2-stroker...the dirty air filter will work fine.
Just one more time before the killfile, just once, please, could you let me
listen to the macho chest thumping about your airplane? Please?
Paul
ApoCalypso
Port of Mpls Wanted! Evil Mercs with Carbs!!!!
>
>Actually, it also proves he has studied the techniques of "the Big Lie." He
>figures if he lies extravagantly enough about the alleged virtues of his
>favorite kind of outboard, people will also believe his lies about the
>outboards he doesn't like.
>I don't think he's fooling anyone.
>
>You ought to take a look at his prize boat. I normally don't comment on the
>looks of other folks' boats, because it is a matter of taste, after all.
>But, to me, his boat looks like what would happen if a Winnebago had sex
>with an English telephone booth. The boat manufacturer's web page said Ted
>Brewer designed it. Brewer must have been violently ill at the time.
>
>Take a look and restrain yourself:
>
>http://www.nimbleboat.com/nomad.html
>
>
>Note especially the phone booth at the aft end of the cabin.
>
Oh, it's a beaut! Now a favor, I need the hull speed calculations.
It has a waterline of 22 ft, using the formula I don't have anymore,
is this about an eight mph boat? It's the same formula for
figuring sail boat hull speeds.
The ad copy also claim it will handle a 9.9 up to a 55 hp motor.
Quest: Would a 9.9 be enough hp to move it against a 10 mph
wind? Forget waves for now, would it push it against a 10 mph
wind?
Paul
ApoCalypso
Port of Mpls "Full-tilt boogie in a dockside terror!"
Looks like ja.me or what ever this new group name is gasping for air here. Must
be us two strokes kickin this #@$.
I've got a 9.9 Merc kicker on my 1775 pro vee. It will sort of push it
in 20 mph wind. Biggest probem is keeping it aimed in the right
direction.
del
> Sometimes reading the specs takes a little grain of salt.
Indeed.
Or at least, one should consider ALL the specs and consider which
are most important to one's self, and whether good specs in one
area are enough to make up for weak specs in another area. The
Dodge Omni accelleration and skidpad specs are a case in
point.
So maybe you were agreeing that WOT speed and holeshot specs don't
tell the whole story, just as perhaps idle noise levels don't tell
the whole story? Yep, definitely a big picture thing, a matter for
individual choice.
No, believe it or not, they are common goals. Reliability
and performance are key considerations for most customers,
and are developed and proven out on the race course.
I've owned many different engines in my time, and the best
by far have been custom-built with racing engine components.
This has been true despite their non-racing applications.
>Why in the heck would Yamaha or Suzuki or Honda want to be
associated with
>something like waterski races?
>
>Bet you don't see their outboards advertised on TV pro
wrestling either.
>
>Think class. High...not...Low. ;-)
>Seriously...do you think the average outboard consumer
really benefits
>much from motors that are just good for hole-shots and WOT
runs?
Glad to hear you weren't really serious, that almost sounded
like a rude comment unrelated to the discussion.
The mfg's don't have anything to do with deciding what motor
hangs off the back of the winning boats (The EXTREMELY rare
Merc-sponsored boat aside...)
So, who decides? Might it be the boat owner? They buy what
performs the best and most reliably. Pretty important
considerations even for us ORDINARY folks, don't you think?
>
>Here's a little real info for you.
>---
>According to the EPA and ISO, based on a nationwide study
done by Univ. of
>Wisconsin researchers it was found boaters are:
>
>at idle for 40% of the time
>
>at 40% throttle for 25% of the time (40% of 5500 rpm
would be 2200 rpm)
>
>at 60% throttle for 15% of the time (60% of 5500 rpm
would be 3300 rpm)
>
>at 80% throttle for 14% of the time (80% of 5500 rpm
would be 4400 rpm)
>
>at WOT for 6% of the time
>---
>The means the typical power boater runs his motor at 2200
rpm *or less*
>fully 65% of the time...and is at, or below, 3300 rpm 80%
of the
>time...and is at 4400 rpm or higher just 20% of the time.
>
>4 strokes clearly perform better...the way average boaters
actually use an
>outboard. Smoother, quieter, cleaner and more fuel
efficient...that's why
>4 strokes dominate most all the transportation and
recreational sectors.
Interesting facts, but I never see OUTBOARDS used that way.
You must live near a very different lake...
>But...but...those Merc adds show all those guys goin fast
all the
>time...some guys "buy in" to that fantasy.
>
>Wahoo...have another cheap beer...Dude. Life's one big
beer commercial. ;-)
Only a moron would choose boat components that way. I run
the best I can afford, and modify it for improved
performance. I'm pretty damn good at it, so my boat runs
fast. And it's not even an outboard...
I've seen a Yamaha at a drag boat race, but nothing else of recent vintage.
Someone in Europe told me Yamahas are popular race engines there. I suppose
the four strokes will have to race each other if any of them are to win.
--
Harry Krause
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HEY ROCKY, watch me pull a rabbit outta my hat!
You put a supercharger on a 130 Honda, you have a 200 hp engine and you race
it against what?
Surely not the S3000 Merc. That has 300 shp and weighs but 275 pounds.
The 2.5 Drag Race Merc? Also 300 shp, but 375 pounds.
The 2.5 Offshore Racer? 280 shp, 400 pounds.
The SST F1? 280 shp, 275 pounds.
What chance would a supercharged Honda 200 shp have against these? And these
are out of the box stock racing motors, very tweakable. You want to race a
500 pound, 200 hp Honda against these? Are you talking about handicapping
races?
--
Harry Krause
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If at first you don't succeed, skydiving isn't for you!
I drove on of those supercharged Omnis way back when. Homely?
Yuck! But it was a treat to use when passing, or gathering speed for
a lane change, or getting up to speed when merging.
The looks and body work were junky, but I'd sure love to buy one if
I could find a good one!
Paul
Skipper of the ApoCalypso
Hailing from the Port of Mpls "Wanted! Old Mercs!"
>SST-60 class regulates a minimum length of 14 feet and
considering they run an
>AVERAGE of 90+ on a rectangular mile circuit, they
certainly deserve
>reckognition in the water/motorsports circles. Check out
Hot Boat's sept issue
>for more info on them.
Seen it, they're pretty impressive. I saw them at an even
this weekend in Isleton, CA also. The wind picked up, tho,
and they had to cancel the rest of the racing.
> As I mentioned before on a diff thread, I wasn't trying
>to be a butt-head with my first post, just simply saying
that Merc is not the
>ONLY good, fast motor on the water is all (even though that
is what I
>run...hehe), sorry for any hard feelings there...
Now you admit it, another Merc driver...
Try Y3K.
Thanks
Wayne Adlam