Double Ender Full Keel Cruising Boats???

[Todd Huss]

I'm looking to buy an offshore cruiser in the 36 - 42 foot range and I
really like the double ended heavy displacement sloop cutter rigged
cruisers.

The only ones I've been able to find over the past few months (and liked
all of them so far) are:

Hans Christian 38T
Union Polaris 36
Sino American Landfall 39
Spindrift 43
Baba 35
Tayana 37
Valiant
Lord Nelson

But I'm wondering what other double ender cruisers are out there? It's
taken me a couple months to put this small list together and I was
wondering if anyone had a more complete list of full keeled double ended
cruising boats to get a good idea of what to look for on yachtworld.com
and at brokers?

Thanks,
Todd

[Rich Hampel]

..... the following are designs by Robert Perry (noted for the "canoe" stern):
CT54, CT56 CT48 and CT65
Tayana 37, 48 and 52
Valiant 32, 40, 42, 47, 50
ESPIRIT 37
Nordic 44, 46RS. 40, 34
Norseman 447
Lafitte 44 and 66
Cheoy Lee 35, 44, 48, 42LRMS
Islander 26, 28, 34, 32, Freeport 36
Baba 30, 35 and 40
Tashiba 31, 36 and 40
Passport 37, 40, 41, 44, 47, 50
Tatoosh 42, 51
Saga 43, 35
Mirage 27, 30, 32, 35
Plus others that have been 'bastardized' from his designs - Hans Christian 38, etc. Most of the
above
fit into a 'family' of boats with the same characteristic designs, so maybe you might want to look
into some of these also.

[A YAGAmon]

TODD WROTE:
>The only ones I've been able to find over the past few months (and liked
>all of them so far) are:
>
>Hans Christian 38T
>Union Polaris 36
>Sino American Landfall 39
>Spindrift 43
>Baba 35
>Tayana 37
>Valiant
>Lord Nelson
>
>But I'm wondering what other double ender cruisers are out there? It's
>taken me a couple months to put this small list together and I was
>wondering if anyone had a more complete list of full keeled double ended
>cruising boats to get a good idea of what to look for on yachtworld.com
>and at brokers?
>
>Thanks,
>Todd

>Todd Huss

NATE REPLIES:
You might look at the Pacific Seacraft 37, the Alajuela 37, Westails 32, 39,
42, and 43. Also on Yachtworld try to find an INGRID by Bluewater Boats. Lots
of quality double enders with pedigrees out there....check those Taiwan boats
for quality carefully.....use a GREAT surveyor for any used purchase.

[John Abercrombie]

I think you could add Fast Passage 39 to your list.
My memory is cloudy, but I think Francis Stokes sailed one of these
for either the OSTAR or the BOC.
Nice looking boats.
Also, if you are looking at older boats, check out Aage Neilsen (sp?)
designs.

John

Todd Huss <sapb...@iname.com> wrote:

>I'm looking to buy an offshore cruiser in the 36 - 42 foot range and I
>really like the double ended heavy displacement sloop cutter rigged
>cruisers.
>

[Bill and Penny Round]

There is also the Ingrid (38' +/-)
There was a boat called the Jason, 35ft (?) but I don't believe many were
built but it looked good
Southern Cross had a 35 /38 footer, I believe
There are a few Colin Archer's out there
Thomas Colvin has a few designs in steel that meet this description...see
'Steel Boatbuilding from Plans to Launching' he takes the reader through the
building of a 42 foot Pinky Schooner (heavy displacement double ender) I own
a 36 foot Pinky of his design and couldn't be more satisfied. It is the most
comfortable riding 36 I have ever sailed on. The comfort of the ride is
comparable to a much larger boat. I have sailed the Tayana 37 and while the
Tayana is a powerful boat for it's size there is no comparison.

Regards
Bill Round
Schooner 'Caper Dreams'
Laying New Bern, NC

Todd Huss <sapb...@iname.com> wrote in message
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[Chris Rayner]

On Wed, 24 May 2000 03:28:52 -0400, "Armond Perretta"
<ngre...@BOATmindspring.com> wrote:

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>Actually the race that Frank sailed in "Moonshine" was neither the old OSTAR
>nor the old BOC, but instead the old single-handed round the world non-stop
>that was first run in 1968 (and whose name escapes me right now).
The Sunday Times Golden Globe won by Robin Knox-Johnston?
>He has
>written a book or two about it and related topics.
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>Good luck and sailing.
>
>s/v Kerry Deare of Barnegat
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>http://kerrydeare.tripod.com
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[miss...@my-deja.com]

There are a few other Hans Christians worth considering:
HC41- a very popular design, still in production
HC43- no longer built, but several always available
HC38 Mark 2- different hull than HC38T

Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.

[Bob Richardson]

Panda/Baba/Tashiba 40

[Russell Turpin]

Rich Hampel wrote:
> .. Most of the above fit into a 'family' of boats with the same

> characteristic designs, so maybe you might want to look into
> some of these also.

Perry has done a wide range of designs. The Babas are
heavy, full-keeled, double-enders with lots of exterior
teak and moderate aspect ratio rigs. The Sagas are
moderately light boats with deep fins, scoop transoms,
no exterior teak, and high aspect ratio rigs. Without
looking at the designer's name, it would be hard to
identify these boats as belonging to the same family.

Russell

[Matt Pedersen]

Armond Perretta <ngre...@BOATmindspring.com> wrote in message
news:8gg0en$hk5$1...@slb0.atl.mindspring.net...

> Actually the race that Frank sailed in "Moonshine" was neither the old
OSTAR
> nor the old BOC, but instead the old single-handed round the world
non-stop

> that was first run in 1968 (and whose name escapes me right now). He has

> written a book or two about it and related topics.

I hate to pick a nit, but Stokes did sail Mooneshine in the inaugural BOC.
He
couldn't have done the Globe Challenge in that boat, because the FP 39
hadn't been designed yet.

He did write an interesting book called "The Mooneshine Logs", which I
found entertaining. I especially liked to read of his rescue of Tony
Bullimore (?) whose 50 something foot cat ketch Lady Pepperill capsized
in the Southern Ocean.

For a good review of the boat, try:

http://207.87.7.46/ssbk/faspas39.htm

Matt

[Jim Foster]

I didn't know that Valiants were all that heavy or full-keeled.

On Tue, 23 May 2000 22:22:47 GMT, Todd Huss <sapb...@iname.com>
wrote:

[Matt Pedersen]

Armond Perretta <ngre...@BOATmindspring.com> wrote in message

news:8gh8ff$h77$1...@slb6.atl.mindspring.net...
>
> Pick away, especially when you are correct. I was confusing the BOC name
> with the Whitbread name.

Well, there is some similarity that could cause confusion. Whitbread sells
beer, and Mooneshine can give the same effect when consumed.

Matt

[Steve]

I have to recommend, my favorite, Willian Atkins, INGRID.

The origanal BlueWater Boat molds are still available if there is enough
interest it another production run for home builders.

Steve
s/v Good Intentions (INGRID #53)

[Kishore Sengupta]

Armond Perretta wrote:

> x-no-archive: yes
> "Chris Rayner" <c.ra...@nospamthanks.ukonline.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:392b9b47...@news.ukonline.co.uk...

> > On Wed, 24 May 2000 03:28:52 -0400, "Armond Perretta"
> > <ngre...@BOATmindspring.com> wrote:
> >

> > >Actually the race that Frank sailed in "Moonshine" was neither the old
> OSTAR
> > >nor the old BOC, but instead the old single-handed round the world
> non-stop
> > >that was first run in 1968 (and whose name escapes me right now).
> >

> > The Sunday Times Golden Globe won by Robin Knox-Johnston?
>

> Right. The boat he won it with was "Suhali." Knox-Johnson built this boat
> of teak in the far east.
>

Built in Bombay, not Far East

[coa...@texascoast.com]

Looks like you are definitely looking at some high dollar beautiful
fine cruising traditional boats.
#1 quit reading Yacht world. This magazine if for the Bill Gates of
this world. You want to get better input read Cruising world, Latitude
38 or any of many fine cruising magazines.
Go to Florida and start looking at boats, talk with brokers,. Your
getting ready to spend some very serious money, they would love to
talk to you. Florida has more boats of all types than any other place
that I know of and you should be able to find exactly what you want.
>
>

[sjne...@postoffice.pacbell.net]

Todd,

Add Rafiki 35 & 37, Westsail 32, Ingrids, Alajuela 38 and a couple of
the Morris boats to the list. The Southern Cross's are double ended,
but not all have a full keel...just like some of the Valiants are not
full keeled.

Stephen Nelson

[David Boyce]

Why is no one mentioning the Pacific Seacraft line? This (the Crealock 37)
is the boat I am considering. Is there something I am missing here that I
should know?

<sjne...@postoffice.pacbell.net> wrote in message
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[hkr...@capu.net]

David Boyce wrote:
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> Why is no one mentioning the Pacific Seacraft line? This (the Crealock 37)
> is the boat I am considering. Is there something I am missing here that I
> should know?
>

There isn't much boating exotica in this newsgroup, unfortunately. Great boat,
one of the prettiest ever, but renamed, eh?

--
Harry Krause
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'Bother,' said Pooh as the brakes failed!

[Mark L. Filteau]

"David Boyce" <david....@worldnet.att.net> writes:

>Why is no one mentioning the Pacific Seacraft line? This (the Crealock 37)
>is the boat I am considering. Is there something I am missing here that I
>should know?

I love my PSC 37. Sweetest sailing imagineable - perfectly balanced, can
let go of the wheel in good winds and she'll track straight as an arrow.
Can handle almost anything throw at her - 25-35 knots with full main and jib
and staysail out. Comfortable inside, good stowage, good access to engine
(ok, reaching for the impeller is a minor point), plenty of stores. PLus
she's one of the most beautifull boats you'll see - I never fail to get 1/2
dozen comments and questions from passersbye. She's a dream come true.

Sailnet.com has a PSC mailing list - subscribe and ask questions there.

Mark
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