Mariah worth the$$..???
CArbasak
I am looking into buying a new 18 ft boat, and want to buy one of above
average quality. I love the looks of the Mariah, but am having a hard time
justifying the 5,000 more it will cost me for a comprably equipped Crownline.
One example is that i got a quote from a Crownline dealer to upgrade from the
190 h.p. v-6 to the 205 h.p. v-6 would be 450.00 while my Mariah dealer says
900.00 Now Mariah probably builds less boats than Crownline and therefore buys
less quantity from mercruiser. But I would be willing to bet they dont pay more
than 100.00 bucks more. I have found that they both use alot of the same
materials as each other.
IMHO Mariah has very attractive hull lines and interior designs which
make it a little bit more appealing to some people. But is there really
5,000.00 difference in the boat? Their "Limited" lifetime warranty isn't
cutting the mustard with me either. Any descent built boat hull thru proper
treatment and use should last a lifetime. Unless my local Mariah dealer comes
to some grips on reality and gives me a descent deal that not any old schmuck
off the street can get, i will be forced to go with Crownline.
I think i will take about $1500.00 of that money and upgrade my
Crownline even more. Then I will buy a nice 3300lb. boat hoist, and then
possibly take the wife on a nice vacation.
Your comments or information on any of the above would be much
appreciated........................
Chris
soon to be a new boat owner
M202shabah
Hi Chris
I have a 1996 Mariah 202 Shabah and I love it ,However in 1997 Mariah's took a
big price jump about $4000 in every boat model Im not sure it was justified it
was supposable because of Mercruiser price increases. My 202 was replaced by
the 210 same hull and to replace it today would cost about $6000 more than I
paid in May1996,personally I think once Mariah establisted its name they
started raising there prices and as long as people pay it they will continue to
raise price which helps me when I go to sell mine I hope to get more resale for
my investment
Mike
KHayes6747
MARIAH'S RESALE IS ONE OF THE WORST I HAVE SEEN. IF YOU FINANCE ONE YOU WILL BE
UPSIDE DOWN FOR YEARS. ONCE YOU BUY IT YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO TRADE OR SELL IT
FOR WHAT YOU OWE FOR YEARS. CHECK OUT THE BLUE BOOKS, THEY ARE OUT THERE AND
YOUR DEALER HAS THEM. SEE IF HE WILL SHOW YOU ONE AND SEE WHAT IS LOST FROM SAY
1996 TO 1997 OR 1998. IF YOU ARE CONVINCED THAT THIS IS AN ACCEPTABLE LOSS AND
THAT THESE ARE WELL BUILT AND ENGINERED BOATS I ADVISE YOU TO TAKE A RIDE AND
DEMAND THAT YOU BE ALLOWED TO OPERATE THE BOAT AND COMPAIR IT TO THE RIDE AND
PERFORMANCE OF OTHER BOATS YOU MIGHT BE INTERESTED IN.
GOOD LUCK AND SAFE PASSAGE
Jim Godziela
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I don't know anything about Mariah's, but if you finance any new boat on
the very common 10-12 year plan, you will be upside down on the loan for
years.
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Shab...@webtv.net
I GOT NEWS FOR YOU FELLAS, I BOUGHT MY 96 MARIAH 180 SHABAH AT THE 96
BOAT SHOW FOR 14,800, AND PUT 3,500 DOWN ON IT. HERE IT IS TWO YEARS
LATER, I GOT TWOFOOTITIS THIS BOAT SHOW SEASON AND CHECKED INTO TRADING
IT IN ON EITHER ANOTHER MARIAH OR A DONZI. I WAS OFFERED 13,000 FOR IT
IN BOTH CASES WITH 317 HOURS SHOWING ON THE HOUR METER. YOU DO THE MATH
I DON'T THINK THAT'S TOO BAD AT ALL.
G. Bradley Brown
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Turn off your friggen CAPS LOCK KEY!!!
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Jim Godziela
Shab...@webtv.net wrote in article
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> I GOT NEWS FOR YOU FELLAS, I BOUGHT MY 96 MARIAH 180 SHABAH AT THE 96
> BOAT SHOW FOR 14,800, AND PUT 3,500 DOWN ON IT. HERE IT IS TWO YEARS
> LATER, I GOT TWOFOOTITIS THIS BOAT SHOW SEASON AND CHECKED INTO TRADING
> IT IN ON EITHER ANOTHER MARIAH OR A DONZI. I WAS OFFERED 13,000 FOR IT
> IN BOTH CASES WITH 317 HOURS SHOWING ON THE HOUR METER. YOU DO THE MATH
> I DON'T THINK THAT'S TOO BAD AT ALL.
>
Fill us in on the rest of the deal. What boat model where you looking to
buy and what did they want to sell it to you for? It is not uncommon for a
dealer to make you a very nice offer for your trade in, if you are willing
to pay top dollar for what he is selling. It is no secret that car dealers
do this all the time.
I was just at the Phoenix boat show this past weekend, and I took a look at
the 18' Mariah with the 4.3v6. They wanted $16,400 for it. Since I was
not looking to buy, I didn't start inquiring as to how flexible they were
on the price. But when taking into consideration, that a new one costs in
the mid $16k range, would you pay $13k+ (assuming the dealer has to make
some profit) for a two year old Mariah with 317 hours on it? Personally, I
would buy the new one in this situation. In the deal you describe above,
it looks like the dealer would not make anything off of selling your used
boat, so they must have been making a nice piece of change off the new one
you were looking to buy.
Also, the Shabah is one nice boat!
Jim
Shab...@webtv.net
Jim,
Actually, you are half way if not all the way correct. The Donzi dealer
was very unreasonable when it came to negotiating his price and was
quickly forgotten. However maybe due tto the fact that I am a repeat
costomer the Mariah dealer came down 2 grand on his Z202 Shabah, and did
offer 13,000 for mine in trade. I'm sure he's still making money
somewhere along the line, but it still sounds like a good deal to me.
My only point is that I totally can not believe that Mariah would have "
the worst resale value " of anything out there. I've seen alot of them
on the water around here, and a few on the used lot. They look like they
are standing up to the test of me pretty well, and I couldn't be happier
with mine.
However, due to the increased prices Mariah has brought along in the
past two years, Crownline will get a very serious look before I do
anything. I can only hope they make me an offer on my trade like the
other dealers did, but even if they don't I'm still 100% positive I am
not in a situation where I would have negative equity.
Matthew Toly
The mariah or the crownline haven't been around near long enough to make
very general statements about resale value. The oldest examples in the
marketplace can't be more than 6 or 7 years old and only a very few of
those. Boats have geographical niches more so than other products. In
Northern CA I don't think there is even any crownline dealers left.
Mariah is on its 5 or 6th dealer in that amount of time. In order for
these products to carry high resale value, they will have to become
somewhat established.
Over...
Jim Godziela
Shab...@webtv.net wrote in article
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> Jim,
>
> Actually, you are half way if not all the way correct. The Donzi dealer
> was very unreasonable when it came to negotiating his price and was
> quickly forgotten. However maybe due tto the fact that I am a repeat
> costomer the Mariah dealer came down 2 grand on his Z202 Shabah, and did
> offer 13,000 for mine in trade. I'm sure he's still making money
> somewhere along the line, but it still sounds like a good deal to me.
>
It sounds like the Mariah dealer made a better deal than I would have
expected. Also, if your state is like Arizona, you will not have to pay
sales tax on the value of your trade. Here in Phoenix, that would amount
to @ $900 savings in sales tax on the new boat.
> My only point is that I totally can not believe that Mariah would have "
> the worst resale value " of anything out there. I've seen alot of them
> on the water around here, and a few on the used lot. They look like they
> are standing up to the test of me pretty well, and I couldn't be happier
> with mine.
>
I agree. I haven't looked at the N.A.D.A Boat Appraisal Guide recently,
but I find it hard to believe that a boat as nice as a Mariah has the worst
resale value.
> However, due to the increased prices Mariah has brought along in the
> past two years, Crownline will get a very serious look before I do
> anything. I can only hope they make me an offer on my trade like the
> other dealers did, but even if they don't I'm still 100% positive I am
> not in a situation where I would have negative equity.
>
When it comes time to upgrade my Bayliner, I will be looking closely at
Mariah, Four Winns, and Crownline. I looked at a Crownline a couple of
years ago at the Phoenix boat show and really liked it. Unfortunately,
there is currently nobody in Phoenix that is dealing Crownline.
Jim Godziela
Matthew Toly <max...@pwrboat.com> wrote in article
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> The mariah or the crownline haven't been around near long enough to make
> very general statements about resale value. The oldest examples in the
> marketplace can't be more than 6 or 7 years old and only a very few of
> those. Boats have geographical niches more so than other products. In
> Northern CA I don't think there is even any crownline dealers left.
> Mariah is on its 5 or 6th dealer in that amount of time. In order for
Any thoughts on why there are no Crownline dealers in your area, and why
Mariah is jumping from dealer to dealer.
> these products to carry high resale value, they will have to become
> somewhat established.
>
> Over...
>
>
Crispin111
Talking to a former dealer in Indpls,dealer keep dropping Mariah because they
wont back up warranty work.The dealer fixes the warranty item than Mariah
sticks the dealer by not paying, saying the item didnt need fixed or replaced.
I have a 1990 Mariah 1850XL with a 4.3Lin good condition, i an trading in,the
dealer is giving me $6500 for it.
-O'Keefe,W.H.
While I like my 1995 Mariah boat for its good looks and quiet
operation (4.3LX) I was dismayed when the hull blistered after
its first season in fresh water. Another Mariah owner on our
lake had the same experience.
WHO
Dutkag
I've got a 92 Mariah Shaba which I keep I've kept in the water for two seasons
(haul out and clean every month or so) and I've never had any problems with
blistering. I think the Mariah boat is worth the money. Great looks,
handling, lots of stares on the lake and dockside. I have heard of others with
blistering problems, and I'm not sure if it is just your year or what. The
owner's manual specifically says that they will not cover Gel Coat blistering
under waranty, so maybe it is a known problem? Good luck...
greg