Fountain Fever 27 or 29???
Joseph J. O'Toole
Someone told me the older (89-90) Fountain Fever 27's are now what is the
Fever 29 due to the changes in LOA measure (swim platform). Is this true or
is the 27 and 29 different molds? Thanks.
Brian D. Thomas
Joe.
This is true to a degree. Fountain did not include the molded in swim
platform in their overall length prior to '92. Every other manufacture
included the swim platform and got 2 extra feet to their "hull". The hull
molds would be identical up until the '94 model year when the positive lift
hull was introduced. The 27 does not offer twin options while the 29 does.
Just my $.02.
Joseph J. O'Toole wrote in message ...
GarySanch
I am also looking at a 27' Fountain. After talking with a guy who has piloted a
number of different Hi-proformance boats he says the flat pad or whaterer you
call it on the keel helps to get the boat up but also makes the boat feel a
little squrilly (sic.). Is this a big factor for why it is a little faster than
a Formula SR boat.
For sport/PERFORMANCE boating, is it realy worth sacrificing a for the amount
of ?speed? you might get from the Fountain.
The Formula seems to be built as well if not better for offshore hammering and
is a bit more comfortable but it is not as FAST.
What to do? o' What to do?
CoolWhip
CoolWhip
LtWht
>What to do? o' What to do?
Buy a Velocity
Garry Heon
>
I took my Velocity out for the first time yesterday with the new
power. I was running 84 mph in 4' seas, very very comfortably I
might add. The boat is very solid on the pad. I have a friend that
went from a older 42' Fountain to a new step bottom 42' Fountain.
He said the new step bottom was very squrilly.
Garry Heon
Mark Whatman
LtWht wrote:
> >What to do? o' What to do?
>
> Buy a Velocity
Nuf said!
--
Mark Whatman
mwha...@worldnet.att.net
http://home.att.net/~mwhatman
llamafeeder
Mark Whatman <mwha...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>LtWht wrote:
>
>> >What to do? o' What to do?
>>
>> Buy a Velocity
>
>Nuf said!
ASK BOB!
Eric
(who's F*&^n computer doesn't know what the date is
GarySanch
I am out on the west coast (west siiiiiiiiiide) and don't get to see to many
Velocity's.
Since everyone's bodyslamming Velocity's.. What the heck- I'd by a Warlock
before a Velocity.
CoolWhip
Laser
The Warlock 29 is pretty fast
Laser
You may want to look at Active Thunder. If you have rough water you
can get a great handling boat high quality good price.
Ric
This sounds absolutely stupid, but after the Eliminator kicked Bob Teagues ass
in the F3, a Warlock seems might inferior to the Eliminator. Same can be said of
the Eliminator F2 boat.. That thing will do an honest 91 MPH!!
MAllwe5877
><HTML><PRE>Subject: Re: Fountain Fever 27 or 29???
>From: Ric <ScrewJun...@FO.com>
>Date: Tue, Jun 9, 1998 00:02 EDT
>Message-id: <357CB35F...@FO.com>
Ric,
I have heard some really impressive things about the Eliminator F2 boat.
Tell us more please. I have just a passing interest.
Mike
Ric
At the S.F. race, the F2 boat, which was a few days old ran in testing 91,
Eliminator had two women drive the boat, and they got bruised really bad... So
they cruised around and finished wherever...
In Ocean side, the F3 boat was way ahead of Teague in the Warlock...
Call Eliminator, (Jim Foley) and he can fill you in on the boats..
Joseph J. O'Toole
My friends 89 Fever II 27(29?) 2X365 runs pretty solid upstate NY in the
Lake George area but he didn't have much to say after he took it down to
Fla. to do some offshore playing and dug the nose into a few waves.
All the feedback I hear about the new "vented hulls" from the various mfgrs.
is squirrliness. I think this needs to mature a bit...
From the posts should I assume the Velocity hull is as stable as a Formula
while still maintaining the speed of a Fountain? If so, how do they achieve
this while not many other mfgrs. can?
Garry Heon wrote in message <357C4203...@lucent.com>...
>GarySanch wrote:
>>
>> I am also looking at a 27' Fountain. After talking with a guy who has
piloted a
>> number of different Hi-proformance boats he says the flat pad or whaterer
you
>> call it on the keel helps to get the boat up but also makes the boat feel
a
>> little squrilly (sic.). Is this a big factor for why it is a little
faster than
>> a Formula SR boat.
>>
>> For sport/PERFORMANCE boating, is it realy worth sacrificing a for the
amount
>> of ?speed? you might get from the Fountain.
>>
>> The Formula seems to be built as well if not better for offshore
hammering and
>> is a bit more comfortable but it is not as FAST.
>>
>> What to do? o' What to do?
>>
rob...@gte.net
Ric,
Talk with Bob Leach directly. Jim's a good guy but, just another salesman
(albeit Natl. Sales). Bob was very interested in putting together an
Eliminator Team in Fla....anyone interested??? Bob had talked about putting
together several teams out West.
Although I own a 25' Daytona, I'm curious to see how long the F2 & F3 boats
hold up with a full season of racing. Wish I could race their 28' in F1 !!
See Ya,
Robert
L-23 Eliminator
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Garry Heon
Joseph J. O'Toole wrote:
>
> My friends 89 Fever II 27(29?) 2X365 runs pretty solid upstate NY in the
> Lake George area but he didn't have much to say after he took it down to
> Fla. to do some offshore playing and dug the nose into a few waves.
> All the feedback I hear about the new "vented hulls" from the various mfgrs.
> is squirrliness. I think this needs to mature a bit...
> From the posts should I assume the Velocity hull is as stable as a Formula
> while still maintaining the speed of a Fountain? If so, how do they achieve
> this while not many other mfgrs. can?
The other mfgrs don't have Steve Stepp on the payroll. Hopefully in
the next two weeks I'll have everything dialed in. New props will
be in Fri, the exhaust goes out to be "dried" Monday, and hopefully
250 gallons of fresh gas by mid week. Stop down and we'll go out
for a blast. I'll keep looking for that red boat and stop if I see
it.
Garry Heon
http://home.att.net/~firststepp
Joseph J. O'Toole
Hopefuly I'll get out by the 20th or 27th at the latest. She hasn't been
started yet and I have to pick up one of my Mirages from Atlantic Prop in
Edison this weekend. That was last years result of:
A) Stupidity on my part.
B) Low tide.
C) A poorly placed danger bouy thats about 70 feet from the danger
(chain way too long).
D) That damn submerged object thats just as hard as stainless steel
(where the Navesink splits near the police dock).
Luckily I was only slightly above idle.
Hopefully I'll get NJ numbers on it this year. The marine (storm) troopers
didn't like me with NY numbers. They actually boarded my boat and asked to
see the spark arrestors!!! Meanwhile the jetskii's run with reckless
abandon...
Garry Heon wrote in message <357EE919...@lucent.com>...
Stre624487
>Subject: Re: Fountain Fever 27 or 29???
>The other mfgrs don't have Steve Stepp on the payroll.
>
>
>
>Garry Heon
Now I must puke. Doos the guy have pictures of you naked with another women
dude? Are not the 38's gettin' destroyed in Factory and didn't that "Boob guy
get caught cheating and now is terrinble too in his 26'. Please. Spare us.
Lois B.
llamafeeder
stre6...@aol.com (Stre624487) wrote:
>Now I must puke. Doos the guy have pictures of you naked with another women
>dude? Are not the 38's gettin' destroyed in Factory and didn't that "Boob guy
>get caught cheating and now is terrinble too in his 26'. Please. Spare us.
> Lois B.
I think this rates an invite to the celeberty dinner.....
la...@marlowe.net
In article <199806110234...@ladder03.news.aol.com>,
stre6...@aol.com (Stre624487) wrote:
>
> >Subject: Re: Fountain Fever 27 or 29???
> >From: Garry Heon
>
> >The other mfgrs don't have Steve Stepp on the payroll.
> >
> >
> >
> >Garry Heon
>
> dude? Are not the 38's gettin' destroyed in Factory and didn't that "Boob guy
> get caught cheating and now is terrinble too in his 26'. Please. Spare us.
> Lois B.
>
Lois do you go to the races or what! I must say stable as Formula faster than
a Fountain is stretch. Factory is the product proving ground. Based on the
results ( I never thought I would say this one) a Baja 33 is the best deal
going ! This boat has beat every factory 2 boat except the Nortech it is very
reasonably priced and has special insurance premiums. No I did not sell the
Toner Dome and become a Baja salesman . I think everyone in racing is
impressed with this boats price/performance.
Steve
MAllwe5877
><HTML><PRE>Subject: Re: Fountain Fever 27 or 29???
>From: la...@marlowe.net
>Date: Thu, Jun 11, 1998 07:51 EDT
>Message-id: <6logc5$62p$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>
Actually Steve, you are correct. In 2 races the Baja 33 has beaten every major
manufacurer from Hustler to Velocity. In fact, in Corpus Christi, the Team
Lazzara Baja33 destroyed the much bigger 38 Velocity in rough water! Certainly
the crew of Dick Lazzara and Gene Weeks deserve a lot of credit but there is no
denying the boat was fast and stable. The 33 also has tremendous cockpit space
to accomodate alot of passengers. Right now it is clearly a far superior value.
No denying the results on the race course.
Mike
BoatKitten
>The other mfgrs don't have Steve Stepp on the payroll.
I was just going to say that.
I've hung around performance boaters for many years now, and even tho I really
don't have much of an interest in anything over 20 foot, my relatives and
friends do.
Listening to these sea salts (sorry Randy <g>) discuss their next high perf
boating purchase....... I have heard the name "Steve Stepp"most often when
regarding top-notch boat designers.. When they talk about Reggie Fountain,
they usually say "oh, that's the guy who used to drive OPC for Team Mercury".
Sorry..but that's what I hear.
H82LUZ1
>Although I own a 25' Daytona, I'm curious to see how long the F2 & F3 boats
>hold up with a full season of racing. Wish I could race their 28' in F1 !
than a 27 Fountain. (I drove them both on the same water, same day, same HP ).
BUT... be ready to spend some money.
Kent.P...@mailexcite.com
In article <199806111411...@ladder03.news.aol.com>,
Yes, I know you like the 28 Eliminator Robert, but as you found out this last
weekend, a sharper Vee will let you run harder in the rough and cushion your
re-entries on those unexpected aerial manuvers. As a matter of fact, wasn't
Mike (aka SCARAB) with you? He hasn't been on here since you took him for a
spin in the Gulf in that 100mph lake boat. Are you allright Mike (SCARAB)?
Kent
Garry Heon
Joseph J. O'Toole wrote:
>
> Hopefuly I'll get out by the 20th or 27th at the latest. She hasn't been
> started yet and I have to pick up one of my Mirages from Atlantic Prop in
> Edison this weekend. That was last years result of:
> A) Stupidity on my part.
> B) Low tide.
> C) A poorly placed danger bouy thats about 70 feet from the danger
> (chain way too long).
> D) That damn submerged object thats just as hard as stainless steel
> (where the Navesink splits near the police dock).
> Luckily I was only slightly above idle.
Know the spot well. Hit there 40 minutes into the first ride on
my first boat, that was 13 years ago now. Also saw a 32 Hustler
run through there at low at at full throttle, yup she was high
and dry. Rumor has it that "Lady Anna" a 128' sport fish that
sank off the coast of Cape May also found those rocks a week
before she went down.
As for NJs finest, obey the law coming it, run like hell going
out. Those Whalers aren't that fast.
Garry Heon
Garry Heon
>
> Now I must puke. Doos the guy have pictures of you naked with another women
> dude? Are not the 38's gettin' destroyed in Factory and didn't that "Boob guy
> get caught cheating and now is terrinble too in his 26'. Please. Spare us.
> Lois B.
Yea the 38' are getting destroyed in flat water by smaller boats. So
what, factory class has become the small boat class. Too bad Pepper
didn't run in Corpus, he would have kicked ass. What does Bob
cheating have to do with the factory and Stepp. It was his choice.
I'll run my 38' against any other 38' with the same power in 5's.
And that's a real 38', not a 35 with a platform.
Keep the flat water for the hydros.
Garry Heon
Garry Heon
>
>
> Lois do you go to the races or what! I must say stable as Formula faster than
> a Fountain is stretch. Factory is the product proving ground. Based on the
> results ( I never thought I would say this one) a Baja 33 is the best deal
> going !
Until like my old Baja the bottom just comes apart.
Garry Heon
H82LUZ1
I have to agree with Kent. Had I not been in my Active Thunder last weekend, I
would be two inches shorter. (I'm short enough as it is). I learned that size
really ISN'T the only thing that matters.
Hull design, baby!!! You may not have the top speed, but in rough water, a
Deep V is the way to go.
Scarab... You Ok buddy? Mike G.
H82LUZ1
Sorry Robert, I almost forgot. Talk to Lee R. (I know you're watching, Lee).
His Sunsation seems to run real well in big chop. Not to mention a beautiful
boat.
GOBB24
I hope your puke went well...but I don't give Regg much credit in the bottom
design department, and the play on words in the ads make me more leary of his
boats. They are really nice and I always thought the pointed nose was
original, but he didn't come up with the bottom design from what I know...he
should be paying Stepp residuals on each boat he makes...
BB
MAllwe5877
><HTML><PRE>Subject: Re: Fountain Fever 27 or 29???
>Date: Thu, Jun 11, 1998 13:58 EDT
>Message-id: <35801AC3...@lucent.com>
Uh, excuse me Gary, but the water in Corpus was rough( certainly not "hydro"
water) and the 38 Velocity finished last almost 5 mph slower than our winning
time and the much smaller 33 Baja as well.
As for your challenge, why would you say a 35' with a swim platform would
not be eligible if we are running in 5ft seas? Are you saying that water that
big is still not enough to allow the Velocity to shine? If that were the case,
then a 30 Velocity should be faster than the Nor-Tech in such water correct?
Well for your info we ran our boat against a 90 mph Velocity 30 (the guys in
that boat had full race gear and we didn't even have life jackets) in such
conditions and were conservatively 20mph faster. My guess is that you would
need 8-10ft seas for the 38 Velocity to run as good as the Nor-Tech, and that
is no slam. It is just a fact. That is exactly why Boob is trying to buy a
Nor-Tech 380 right now for "B"Class.
Also, I consider Pepper to be one of my closest friends but for you to
suggest he would have kicked our ass had he gone to Corpus is lunacy and I
think he would tell you that. I know Boob would tell you that. Again, not a
slam just reality.
Finally, it is extremely dangerous for you to go down the "Boat isn't well
built" road. Steve M. has some very disturbing stories to tell but I think we
are better off staying away from that stuff. If you had a bad experience years
ago with a particular boat that is unfortunate but unless you want others to
start sharing their Velocity stories I would suggest the prudent course is to
refrain from telling them here.
Listen, the Baja 33 is proving itself on the race course which is what the
class was designed for. They deserve a great deal of credit for stepping up
with an excellent product and competing FAIRLY. You don't need to rip them for
that.
By the way, anytime you are in the area and want to run against the Nor-Tech
in the big stuff we will be glad to join you. Just let us know.
Mike A.
Mark Whatman
MAllwe5877 wrote:
> Uh, excuse me Gary, but the water in Corpus was rough( certainly
> not "hydro"
> water) and the 38 Velocity finished last almost 5 mph slower than our
> winning
> time and the much smaller 33 Baja as well.
Wrong props, Wrong throttleman, Right boat. I think Pepper would have
given you a race. Who knows, but that's what beach racing is all about.
:-) But I can't argue with the results, good race, both of you.
> As for your challenge, why would you say a 35' with a swim platform
> would
> not be eligible if we are running in 5ft seas? Are you saying that
> water that
> big is still not enough to allow the Velocity to shine? If that were
> the case,
> then a 30 Velocity should be faster than the Nor-Tech in such water
> correct?
> Well for your info we ran our boat against a 90 mph Velocity 30 (the
> guys in
> that boat had full race gear and we didn't even have life jackets) in
> such
> conditions and were conservatively 20mph faster.
If that's Rahal's boat out of St. Pete then I'd steer clear of it now.
The 900+ blower motor might just surprise you. If it isn't Rahal's, see
above comments.I know the 30 can run but until it actually races no one
has any idea what it will do. Who in this NG would have thought the
Baja would do as well? (except maybe Team Lazzara)
> My guess is that you would need 8-10ft seas for the 38 Velocity to run
> as good as the Nor-Tech, and that is no slam. It is just a fact.
Let's be carefull about quoting "facts" counselor.
> That is exactly why Boob is trying to buy a Nor-Tech 380 right now for
> "B"Class.
Ok, either Bob is "Team Velocity" or he's not, which is it? You can't
have it both ways.
> Also, I consider Pepper to be one of my closest friends but for you
> to
> suggest he would have kicked our ass had he gone to Corpus is lunacy
> and I
> think he would tell you that. I know Boob would tell you that. Again,
> not a
> slam just reality.
See first comment.P.S. The one race we sit out and we could have had our
water and put this all to rest one way or another. Oh well, that's
racing.
> Finally, it is extremely dangerous for you to go down the "Boat
> isn't well
> built" road. Steve M. has some very disturbing stories to tell but I
> think we
> are better off staying away from that stuff. If you had a bad
> experience years
> ago with a particular boat that is unfortunate but unless you want
> others to
> start sharing their Velocity stories I would suggest the prudent
> course is to
> refrain from telling them here.
So true.....
> Listen, the Baja 33 is proving itself on the race course which is
> what the
> class was designed for. They deserve a great deal of credit for
> stepping up
> with an excellent product and competing FAIRLY. You don't need to rip
> them for
> that.
I'm as surprised as anyone to see the Baja up front. I commend Team
Lazzara for their success. Could it be that Brunswick dropped a few
bucks and did a little high tech fluid dynamics studies or are these
guys just good? Probably the latter.
> By the way, anytime you are in the area and want to run against the
> Nor-Tech
> in the big stuff we will be glad to join you. Just let us know.
> Mike A.
Watch out for Garry, he's a mad man. :-) Hey Garry, I think they call
that a gauntlet and it's just been dropped.
--
Mark Whatman
mwha...@worldnet.att.net
http://home.att.net/~mwhatman
Garry Heon
MAllwe5877 wrote:
> Uh, excuse me Gary, but the water in Corpus was rough( certainly not "hydro"
> water) and the 38 Velocity finished last almost 5 mph slower than our winning
> time and the much smaller 33 Baja as well.
Looking at the speeds from the race you guys weren't running all out.
I wonder why??? As for the 38' that ran there, well I wasn't in the
boat. If I was we would either have blown motors or would have
posted much higher speeds.
> As for your challenge, why would you say a 35' with a swim platform would
> not be eligible if we are running in 5ft seas?
I'd love to see how one measures water. I've seen some call it
8's when NOAA calls it 5's. The only local NorTec here is an
old 50' that belongs to Ted Dzus and it's probably one of the
first boats out of the mold.
> Also, I consider Pepper to be one of my closest friends but for you to
> suggest he would have kicked our ass had he gone to Corpus is lunacy and I
> think he would tell you that.
I think we should let Pepper say it. I think Pepper would have
given you a good run and you would have worked very hard to
stay with that freighter.
> Finally, it is extremely dangerous for you to go down the "Boat isn't well
> built" road. Steve M. has some very disturbing stories to tell but I think we
> are better off staying away from that stuff. If you had a bad experience years
> ago with a particular boat that is unfortunate but unless you want others to
> start sharing their Velocity stories I would suggest the prudent course is to
> refrain from telling them here.
I'd love to hear non-Regal Velocity stories. It wouldn't upset me
in the least if someone had first hand experience with the 38'
coming apart. It would give me some ideas of what to look for in
my boat before the warranty period is up. Let it fly......
> Listen, the Baja 33 is proving itself on the race course which is what the
> class was designed for. They deserve a great deal of credit for stepping up
> with an excellent product and competing FAIRLY. You don't need to rip them for
> that.
I'd like to see how the layup of the race boat compares to their
cookie cutter production boats. A true factory class would
enforce rules that only allow production boats, including production
layups. Otherwise the Baja you're comparing is not the same Baja
I could buy.
> By the way, anytime you are in the area and want to run against the Nor-Tech
> in the big stuff we will be glad to join you. Just let us know.
Not much rough stuff in FL. Come up here to NJ where it's rough
and floating telephone poles make it more interesting.
Garry
Ric
You'll actually get a better result when speaking with Foley. Bob is far tooo busy
to really handle answering questions. Foley's got the pulse of the company and knows
honestly what's there and what's not. He'll tell the truth, whether one likes to
hear it or not.
No, I don't own a Eliminator..
rob...@gte.net wrote:
> Ric,
>
> Talk with Bob Leach directly. Jim's a good guy but, just another salesman
> (albeit Natl. Sales). Bob was very interested in putting together an
> Eliminator Team in Fla....anyone interested??? Bob had talked about putting
> together several teams out West.
>
> Although I own a 25' Daytona, I'm curious to see how long the F2 & F3 boats
> hold up with a full season of racing. Wish I could race their 28' in F1 !!
>
> See Ya,
>
> Robert
> L-23 Eliminator
>
> Ric <ScrewJun...@FO.com> wrote:
> >
> > At the S.F. race, the F2 boat, which was a few days old ran in testing 91,
> > Eliminator had two women drive the boat, and they got bruised really bad... So
> > they cruised around and finished wherever...
> >
> > In Ocean side, the F3 boat was way ahead of Teague in the Warlock...
> >
> > Call Eliminator, (Jim Foley) and he can fill you in on the boats..
> >
> > MAllwe5877 wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Ric,
> > > I have heard some really impressive things about the Eliminator F2 boat.
> > > Tell us more please. I have just a passing interest.
> > > Mike
> >
> >
>
Garry
MAllwe5877 wrote in message
<199806120312...@ladder01.news.aol.com>...
snip
>
>No gauntlet. Just like to go for boat rides. We are considering going to
>Baltimore next month. Maybe Gary can join us for some testing.
I'd love to. It's 260 miles by boat but only 180 by truck. If I can find a
dually I'll pull
it down. Too bad it's a bay race. The only boats I can compare my boat
with me
driving are 3 - 42' Fountains with 3 x 500, step bottom 3 x 502EFI, 3 x 525
SC, 35' & 45' Sonics
with 2 x 502 and 3 x 500 hp Bulldogs, 28 & 36 Skaters, a 35 Cigarette with 2
x 650 hp,
and the king an old 42' Apache with 2 x 850 hp. Although I'm most impressed
with a 33
Powerplay that runs with us. When things get big and snotty it's
me and the Apache. Granted the driver of the Apache is an Offshore World
Champ
throttleman but the other boats should be able to stay with us. I don't
have that much
experience with the freighter so the other boys should be able to run at
least as good
as me. I'd like a ride in the Nortech in big water, bigger than corpus.
> Mike
elimi...@my-dejanews.com
> Robert, I looked hard at the 28 Eliminator for a F-1 boat. Nice Boat ! Faster
> than a 27 Fountain. (I drove them both on the same water, same day, same HP ).
> BUT... be ready to spend some money.
>
>
Could you share some more details on your comparision of these 2 boats. Which
one rode better? How big were the waves? What was the top speed that you
obained? Did they have the same prop? Did you notice if either one would be
"searching" when transitioning to the next step on the hull? Did either one
get lose at the top end? Finally, what was your overall impression, not
considering the price.
Thanks for your 2 cents.
Laser
On Thu, 11 Jun 1998 13:58:27 -0400, Garry Heon <he...@lucent.com>
wrote:
>>
>> Now I must puke. Doos the guy have pictures of you naked with another women
>> dude? Are not the 38's gettin' destroyed in Factory and didn't that "Boob guy
>> get caught cheating and now is terrinble too in his 26'. Please. Spare us.
>> Lois B.
>
>Yea the 38' are getting destroyed in flat water by smaller boats. So
>what, factory class has become the small boat class. Too bad Pepper
>didn't run in Corpus, he would have kicked ass. What does Bob
>cheating have to do with the factory and Stepp. It was his choice.
>I'll run my 38' against any other 38' with the same power in 5's.
>And that's a real 38', not a 35 with a platform.
>Keep the flat water for the hydros.
>
>Garry Heon
The Factory backs Mr Bull and they supported his actions. That was
evident at the Miami boat show which occurred after the DQ. It is
further supported by the posting of a letter on the Velocity Factory
web site that Bulls engine with old pistons ,rings, bearings and no
valve job dynoed within spec. ( Mercury does not rebuild your engine
if you are DQ'D) . It is no surprise the engine was in Hp spec it was
however very well documented ILLEGAL. Many people at Velocity and
other Velocity racers were well aware that this engine was ILLEGALLY
tampered with early in the 1997 race season. These same people choose
too look the other way and enjoy there short term success. What goes
around comes around .The 38 Velocity's are having a great race for
last place it is probably exciting if you care to watch. If the
Factory is not behind Bob why is boat named "Not The Intent" but has
Velocity in 22" letters down the side of the boat ?
The factory owns the name Velocity they could make him remove it. Bob
knows how to race and rig a boat. I am sure he will win races this
year. But the Championship is out of the question and the odds makers
at the casino's in Biloxi will change their odds if the inspection
process stays aggressive. As a long term Velocity fan I do not like
posting such things but the facts are obvious.
Steve
MAllwe5877
>Re: Fountain Fever 27 or 29???
>Wrong props, Wrong throttleman, Right boat. I think Pepper would have
>given you a race. Who knows, but that's what beach racing is all about.
Won't comment on the first part except to say that the T-man in that boat
supports the APBA big time and he races. As for the latter comment regarding
Pepper, You are absolutely correct. I know he would have given us a good race.
It remains lunacy to suggest that he would have kicked our asses, however. Ask
Boob.
>:-) But I can't argue with the results, good race, both of you.
Thanks.
>If that's Rahal's boat out of St. Pete then I'd steer clear of it now.
>The 900+ blower motor might just surprise you. If it isn't Rahal's, see
>above comments.I know the 30 can run but until it actually races no one
>has any idea what it will do.
It was not Rahal's boat but I sure hope he has good insurance. We would still
run him. As you know, the new Velocity 30 is not legal for F2 as it is too
short. It sure is pretty though. I still want to see the 24' in action. I think
that would be fun to watch run against the Corsa's. What is the deal there
anyway? I cannot get a straight answer from anyone over at Camp Velocity.>Who
in this NG would have thought the
>Baja would do as well? (except maybe Team Lazzara)
>
>
You probably won't believe me but I did. I owned a 32 Baja and it was
unbelievably good in rough water. I thought with boxes, the right X etc it
would be tough. The guys running the boat are really good though. Gene Weeks is
an excellent T-man and Mr. Lazzara has been around boats longer than any of us.
Have you ever seen one of his 80' Lazzara Mega-yachts? Drop dead exquisite.
Obviously, the boats he designs, engineers and builds are quite humbling.
>Let's be carefull about quoting "facts" counselor.
Sorry Playboy. Just quoting our Boy Boob.
>Ok, either Bob is "Team Velocity" or he's not, which is it? You can't
>have it both ways.
Not trying to actually. Just relating what HE is doing not what I want. Right
now he is still Team Velocity in my book but if he gets his way he will be part
of Team Nor-Tech.
>See first comment.P.S. The one race we sit out and we could have had our
>water and put this all to rest one way or another. Oh well, that's
>racing.
See my first comment above.
>I'm as surprised as anyone to see the Baja up front. I commend Team
>Lazzara for their success. Could it be that Brunswick dropped a few
>bucks and did a little high tech fluid dynamics studies or are these
>guys just good? Probably the latter.
See my comments above.>Watch out for Garry, he's a mad man. :-) Hey Garry, I
think they call
>that a gauntlet and it's just been dropped.
>
>
No gauntlet. Just like to go for boat rides. We are considering going to
Baltimore next month. Maybe Gary can join us for some testing.
Mike
MAllwe5877
>Re: Fountain Fever 27 or 29???
>Looking at the speeds from the race you guys weren't running all out.
>I wonder why???
Why do you think?
> As for the 38' that ran there, well I wasn't in the
>boat. If I was we would either have blown motors or would have
>posted much higher speeds.
I am sure you would have blown those engines clear out of that boat! That would
have been really impressive too because it means you would have beaten the only
other boat in Saturday's race to beat us and the Baja - Citgo Superguard- the
1997 National "B" Class champion.
>I'd love to see how one measures water. I've seen some call it
>8's when NOAA calls it 5's. The only local NorTec here is an
>old 50' that belongs to Ted Dzus and it's probably one of the
>first boats out of the mold.
>
>
Actually, on the day this occured, there were SCA's and the NWS called for
4-7's in the gulf but it seemed more like 3-5's to me. See, the way I measure
water is to look down and if the waves look like they are taller than me I call
'em 6ft +. Not very scientific but it is pretty accurate I think. It was one
of those brown water/ foam days in the gulf where no one else goes out but we
like too because we can rough water test without worrying about hitting anyone
else. Steve M. was there ask him. Not sure what you meant by your reference to
the Nor-Tech 50.
>I think we should let Pepper say it. I think Pepper would have
>given you a good run and you would have worked very hard to
>stay with that freighter.
>
>
Absolutely, positively no doubt about it. Told him that myself. >I'd love to
hear non-Regal Velocity stories. It wouldn't upset me
>in the least if someone had first hand experience with the 38'
>coming apart. It would give me some ideas of what to look for in
>my boat before the warranty period is up. Let it fly......
Steve has plenty of them but I don't think it is appropriate to talk about them
here. Goes over the line, that is why I suggested you refrain from going there
>I'd like to see how the layup of the race boat compares to their
>cookie cutter production boats. A true factory class would
>enforce rules that only allow production boats, including production
>layups. Otherwise the Baja you're comparing is not the same Baja
>I could buy.
>
Again, you are making remarks that a resident of a glass house should not make.
You do not want to go there. (Plus, weren't you upset that you were promised an
AME 4000 boat and didn't get it or was that somebody else?) There is not a
single Velocity racing with a production layup and you should not suggest
otherwise. The fact is that anyone can buy this Baja. Call and ask them. Better
yet, check the boat out at the Sarasota race. Full cabin, the whole nine yards.
>Not much rough stuff in FL. Come up here to NJ where it's rough
>and floating telephone poles make it more interesting.
>
>
We are thinking about coming to Baltimore so maybe there will be an
opportunity. And with all due respect, while the water up there can indeed be
tough, it is no worse than the South Florida Atlantic and I have never hears
anyone suggest it is worse than Key West water, which incidentally is in
Florida. Plus the stuff that is floating in the water down here is far more
interesting than telephone poles!
Mike Carter (SCARAB)
Hey Kent, Yep I'm all right!!! Speed is like a drug for me!!! I've been on
the road all week driving through TN. MS. Al. and I've been smiling all week
thinking about that ride. I want to do it again and again so Rob fix that
f#!$@ engine quick!!! After a ride in Oatey and L-23 Eliminator I really
want to(make that need to) get a much faster boat!!! I'm hooked. See ya, >>
>
>Yes, I know you like the 28 Eliminator Robert, but as you found out this
last
>weekend, a sharper Vee will let you run harder in the rough and cushion
your
>re-entries on those unexpected aerial manuvers. As a matter of fact, wasn't
>Mike (aka SCARAB) with you? He hasn't been on here since you took him for a
>spin in the Gulf in that 100mph lake boat. Are you allright Mike (SCARAB)?
>
>Kent
>
>
>
Kent.P...@mailexcite.com
In article <35808F16...@lucent.com>,
Garry Heon <he...@lucent.com> wrote:
>
>
> Not much rough stuff in FL. Come up here to NJ where it's rough
> and floating telephone poles make it more interesting.
>
> Garry
><snip>
Uh, yes it is calmer in the summer here, and you are probably referencing the
Gulf side. Bring that puppy down here in the winter and hit the Atlantic;
Makes you think you are in the hills of North Carolina. Hey Mike A., new
course venue; Port Canaveral to Stewart in February.
Andrew Corn
MAllwe5877 <mallw...@aol.com> wrote in article
<199806120312...@ladder01.news.aol.com>...
> >Re: Fountain Fever 27 or 29???
> >From: Mark Whatman <mwha...@worldnet.att.net>
>
> an excellent T-man and Mr. Lazzara has been around boats longer than any
of us.
> Have you ever seen one of his 80' Lazzara Mega-yachts? Drop dead
exquisite.
> Obviously, the boats he designs, engineers and builds are quite humbling.
With all due respect 80' is not considered a mega-yacht, except in Pinellas
Park.
Andrew Corn
PAgriff
Here's my 2 cents....I bought a boat for performance, safety, and to escape
from the world after 8pm and on the weekends. I just picked up my new 47'
Fountain Lightning....and all I can say is this boat can run. I've had her up
to 83mph with 3 full tanks of fuel in her. The ride is smooth and straight as
an arrow. I live outside Detroit, and zip around in the Great Lakes. I have
owned other powerboats and this one is by far tops. So bad mouth Reggie all you
want.....you just haven't taken my 47' out for a ride.
lisa
BoatKitten
>The ride is smooth and straight as an arrow. . So bad mouth Reggie all you
want.....you just haven't taken my 47' out for a ride.>
The boat is 47 feet long. Good grief, I would hope it rides smooth and
straight. Escpecially if it's only running in the 80's. If it didn't, they
surely wouldn't be selling them, unless people will go out and spend that kind
of money on ad talk alone? Are there really hi-perf boats out there that big
that don't?
If so, I bet they wouldn't have the nerve to attend a HB or PB mag performance
trial.
billy badarse
MAllwe5877 wrote:
>
> ><HTML><PRE>Subject: Re: Fountain Fever 27 or 29???
> >From: Garry Heon <he...@lucent.com>
> >Date: Thu, Jun 11, 1998 13:58 EDT
> >Message-id: <35801AC3...@lucent.com>
> >
> >>
> >> dude? Are not the 38's gettin' destroyed in Factory and didn't that "Boob
> >guy
> >> get caught cheating and now is terrinble too in his 26'. Please. Spare us.
> >> Lois B.
> >
> >Yea the 38' are getting destroyed in flat water by smaller boats. So
> >what, factory class has become the small boat class. Too bad Pepper
> >didn't run in Corpus, he would have kicked ass. What does Bob
> >cheating have to do with the factory and Stepp. It was his choice.
> >I'll run my 38' against any other 38' with the same power in 5's.
> >And that's a real 38', not a 35 with a platform.
> >Keep the flat water for the hydros.
> >
> >Garry Heon
>
> Uh, excuse me Gary, but the water in Corpus was rough( certainly not "hydro"
> water) and the 38 Velocity finished last almost 5 mph slower than our winning
> time and the much smaller 33 Baja as well.
> big is still not enough to allow the Velocity to shine? If that were the case,
> then a 30 Velocity should be faster than the Nor-Tech in such water correct?
> Well for your info we ran our boat against a 90 mph Velocity 30 (the guys in
> that boat had full race gear and we didn't even have life jackets) in such
> need 8-10ft seas for the 38 Velocity to run as good as the Nor-Tech, and that
> Nor-Tech 380 right now for "B"Class.
> suggest he would have kicked our ass had he gone to Corpus is lunacy and I
> slam just reality.
> built" road. Steve M. has some very disturbing stories to tell but I think we
> are better off staying away from that stuff. If you had a bad experience years
> ago with a particular boat that is unfortunate but unless you want others to
> start sharing their Velocity stories I would suggest the prudent course is to
> refrain from telling them here.
> class was designed for. They deserve a great deal of credit for stepping up
> with an excellent product and competing FAIRLY. You don't need to rip them for
> that.
> in the big stuff we will be glad to join you. Just let us know.
*-------------------------------
...and just what was the NAME of that 90mph Velocity tough guy and to
whom does it belong?
billy badarse
WHAT? Did someone say that that Pepper guy from Velocity skipped out on
the Texas races because he was busy ordering a NEW NOR-TECH?
Could it be? Have the two LEADERS OF THE PACK for Velocity, BOOB &
PEPPER (sounds like a TV detective show) decided that the only way to
win races is to DUMP VELOCITY and purchase a NOR-TECH.
I know better that this. BOOB would not be caught dead in anything
other than a VELOCITY. Remember last year when he was winning. That
guy lived, ate, and slept Velocity. Now he's SELLING IT? No way!
Garry Heon
MAllwe5877 wrote:
>
> >Looking at the speeds from the race you guys weren't running all out.
> >I wonder why???
>
> Why do you think?
You said I would have to run 8 - 10s, looks like I would only have
to run 4's. Granted I wasn't there but in the local bay we get that
boiling crap that has absolutely no direction.
>
> > As for the 38' that ran there, well I wasn't in the
> >boat. If I was we would either have blown motors or would have
> >posted much higher speeds.
>
> I am sure you would have blown those engines clear out of that boat! That would
> have been really impressive too because it means you would have beaten the only
> other boat in Saturday's race to beat us and the Baja - Citgo Superguard- the
> 1997 National "B" Class champion.
I'm sure the Teagues would be a little disappointed if I blew their
new motors. I guess I'll find out this summer how well they stay
together. Could I have beaten you, considering I have lots more
power I think I could have. I still would like to see how Pepper
would have run against you guys. I guess we'll never know. Let's
just hope for more big water at other events.
>
> >I'd love to see how one measures water. I've seen some call it
> >8's when NOAA calls it 5's. The only local NorTec here is an
> >old 50' that belongs to Ted Dzus and it's probably one of the
> >first boats out of the mold.
> >
> >
>
> Actually, on the day this occured, there were SCA's and the NWS called for
> 4-7's in the gulf but it seemed more like 3-5's to me. See, the way I measure
> water is to look down and if the waves look like they are taller than me I call
> 'em 6ft +. Not very scientific but it is pretty accurate I think. It was one
> of those brown water/ foam days in the gulf where no one else goes out but we
> like too because we can rough water test without worrying about hitting anyone
Fair enough. Like you I love to play in the rough, the only time
I'm in calm water is when I run the river and bay to get out to
the Atlantic.
> else. Steve M. was there ask him. Not sure what you meant by your reference to
> the Nor-Tech 50.
I meant that aren't any 38's around here for me to run against.
A comparison to a 50 that only runs 68 wouldn't be fair.
snip
> Steve has plenty of them but I don't think it is appropriate to talk about them
> here. Goes over the line, that is why I suggested you refrain from going there
>
> >I'd like to see how the layup of the race boat compares to their
> >cookie cutter production boats. A true factory class would
> >enforce rules that only allow production boats, including production
> >layups. Otherwise the Baja you're comparing is not the same Baja
> >I could buy.
> >
> Again, you are making remarks that a resident of a glass house should not make.
> You do not want to go there. (Plus, weren't you upset that you were promised an
> AME 4000 boat and didn't get it or was that somebody else?)
What I told Miklos is that I wasn't 100% sure. Like the typical
lawyer you're twisting the words. I would like to have the boat
tested to see if I really got it. It's no secret that I'm very
hard on my boats and I want something that will last. I don't trust many
people and it's very easy for a manufacturer to cheat. I just wanted
to be sure I got the "race" layup that I paid for. As for the
glass house, if Steve screws up I would not blindly defend him like
some might. After looking at lots of other boats I thought that
he built exaclty what I wanted, a rough water boat that went fast
with smaller power. So far I am very pleased the way the boat runs.
I also see that I can't trust Miklos with private conversations
either. What an Asshole.
>There is not a
> single Velocity racing with a production layup and you should not suggest
> otherwise. The fact is that anyone can buy this Baja. Call and ask them. Better
> yet, check the boat out at the Sarasota race. Full cabin, the whole nine yards.
But Velocity offers, at least they did, a race layup. When I
purchased my boat it was a $10K option. Do all the other manufacturers
offer the same?
> We are thinking about coming to Baltimore so maybe there will be an
> opportunity. And with all due respect, while the water up there can indeed be
> tough, it is no worse than the South Florida Atlantic and I have never hears
> anyone suggest it is worse than Key West water, which incidentally is in
> Florida. Plus the stuff that is floating in the water down here is far more
> interesting than telephone poles!
But you don't run Key West every weekend. I still can't understand
why there are offshore races in lakes other than the great lakes.
The times when boats like Cigarette and Apache dominated because the
boat had to be built to take the big stuff are long over. Too bad,
I'd love to see the return to true offshore racing.
Happy Racing,
Garry Heon
Andrew Corn
I still think Miami, Bimini, Ft Lauderdale, Miami twice in March or April
is still a good rough race. Of course Miami, Nassau is still good test of
both calm and rough along with endurance. Pt Pleasant was rough about half
the time.
Andrew Corn
Mike Carter (SCARAB)
Garry Heon wrote in message
>I also see that I can't trust Miklos with private conversations
>either. What an Asshole.
>
>
O.K. there Mr. Heon the Peon I gotta stick up for my friend Steve Miklos.
Ya, gonna be in Florida anytime soon there big boy???!!! Mike Carter
rob...@gte.net
>SNIP<
> Not much rough stuff in FL. Come up here to NJ where it's rough
> and floating telephone poles make it more interesting.
>
> Garry
>
So that's why I have problems with my calls up north....the telephone poles
are in the water!!
Robert
L-23
fe...@earthlink.net
In article <LKlf1.1293$PA3.3...@nnrp1.ptd.net>,
"Joseph J. O'Toole" <jjot...@ptdprolog.net> wrote:
>
> My friends 89 Fever II 27(29?) 2X365 runs pretty solid upstate NY in the
> Lake George area but he didn't have much to say after he took it down to
> Fla. to do some offshore playing and dug the nose into a few waves.
> All the feedback I hear about the new "vented hulls" from the various mfgrs.
> is squirrliness. I think this needs to mature a bit...
> From the posts should I assume the Velocity hull is as stable as a Formula
> while still maintaining the speed of a Fountain? If so, how do they achieve
> this while not many other mfgrs. can?
>
> Garry Heon wrote in message <357C4203...@lucent.com>...
> >GarySanch wrote:
> >>if you want to step up i have an 89 fever 38 ft, w/ new motors and
everything you could want,speed range is 82-88mph w/ teague buttetproof
motors.888-883-33649,
> >> I am also looking at a 27' Fountain. After talking with a guy who has
> piloted a
> >> number of different Hi-proformance boats he says the flat pad or whaterer
> you
> >> call it on the keel helps to get the boat up but also makes the boat feel
> a
> >> little squrilly (sic.). Is this a big factor for why it is a little
> faster than
> >> a Formula SR boat.
> >>
> >> For sport/PERFORMANCE boating, is it realy worth sacrificing a for the
> amount
> >> of ?speed? you might get from the Fountain.
> >>
> >> The Formula seems to be built as well if not better for offshore
> hammering and
> >> is a bit more comfortable but it is not as FAST.
> >>
> >> What to do? o' What to do?
> >>
> >> CoolWhip
> >
> >I took my Velocity out for the first time yesterday with the new
> >power. I was running 84 mph in 4' seas, very very comfortably I
> >might add. The boat is very solid on the pad. I have a friend that
> >went from a older 42' Fountain to a new step bottom 42' Fountain.
> >He said the new step bottom was very squrilly.
> >
> >Garry Heon
MAllwe5877
>Re: Fountain Fever 27 or 29???
>With all due respect 80' is not considered a mega-yacht, except in Pinellas
>Park.
>
>Andrew Corn
></PRE></HTML>
Hey! You are calling me white trash! Boob would surely be offended at such
calousness!
Joseph J. O'Toole
I just paid the ticket.... For not having a "throwable flotation device"
(what a prick) I had everything but a blowup doll on board!!! I wouldn't
mind if I was blasting through... The court secretary in the Highlands said
don't bother fighting it just pay and be done with it... nobody pleads
innocent and gets off.
PS: Hope you don't hear too much music after your poker run!!!
PPS: Any job openings over there.. I need a new (faster) boat!!!
Garry Heon wrote in message <358019DB...@lucent.com>...
>Joseph J. O'Toole wrote:
>>
>> Hopefuly I'll get out by the 20th or 27th at the latest. She hasn't been
>> started yet and I have to pick up one of my Mirages from Atlantic Prop in
>> Edison this weekend. That was last years result of:
>> A) Stupidity on my part.
>> B) Low tide.
>> C) A poorly placed danger bouy thats about 70 feet from the danger
>> (chain way too long).
>> D) That damn submerged object thats just as hard as stainless steel
>> (where the Navesink splits near the police dock).
>> Luckily I was only slightly above idle.
>
>Know the spot well. Hit there 40 minutes into the first ride on
>my first boat, that was 13 years ago now. Also saw a 32 Hustler
>run through there at low at at full throttle, yup she was high
>and dry. Rumor has it that "Lady Anna" a 128' sport fish that
>sank off the coast of Cape May also found those rocks a week
>before she went down.
>
>As for NJs finest, obey the law coming it, run like hell going
>out. Those Whalers aren't that fast.
>
>Garry Heon
Joseph J. O'Toole
I agree, these race boats most of the time can't be bought by the "average
joe" most Baja's I've seen are "hurtin" after 4-5 years in salt.
Anyone with $$$ can have a "race boat" built with any name put on it.
Garry Heon wrote in message <35808F16...@lucent.com>...
>MAllwe5877 wrote:
>
>> Uh, excuse me Gary, but the water in Corpus was rough( certainly not
"hydro"
>> water) and the 38 Velocity finished last almost 5 mph slower than our
winning
>> time and the much smaller 33 Baja as well.
>
>Looking at the speeds from the race you guys weren't running all out.
>I wonder why??? As for the 38' that ran there, well I wasn't in the
>boat. If I was we would either have blown motors or would have
>posted much higher speeds.
>
>> As for your challenge, why would you say a 35' with a swim platform
would
>> not be eligible if we are running in 5ft seas?
>
>I'd love to see how one measures water. I've seen some call it
>8's when NOAA calls it 5's. The only local NorTec here is an
>old 50' that belongs to Ted Dzus and it's probably one of the
>first boats out of the mold.
>
>
>
>> Also, I consider Pepper to be one of my closest friends but for you to
>> suggest he would have kicked our ass had he gone to Corpus is lunacy and
I
>> think he would tell you that.
>
>I think we should let Pepper say it. I think Pepper would have
>given you a good run and you would have worked very hard to
>stay with that freighter.
>
>
>> Finally, it is extremely dangerous for you to go down the "Boat isn't
well
>> built" road. Steve M. has some very disturbing stories to tell but I
think we
>> are better off staying away from that stuff. If you had a bad experience
years
>> ago with a particular boat that is unfortunate but unless you want others
to
>> start sharing their Velocity stories I would suggest the prudent course
is to
>> refrain from telling them here.
>
>I'd love to hear non-Regal Velocity stories. It wouldn't upset me
>in the least if someone had first hand experience with the 38'
>coming apart. It would give me some ideas of what to look for in
>my boat before the warranty period is up. Let it fly......
>
>
>> Listen, the Baja 33 is proving itself on the race course which is what
the
>> class was designed for. They deserve a great deal of credit for stepping
up
>> with an excellent product and competing FAIRLY. You don't need to rip
them for
>> that.
>
>I'd like to see how the layup of the race boat compares to their
>cookie cutter production boats. A true factory class would
>enforce rules that only allow production boats, including production
>layups. Otherwise the Baja you're comparing is not the same Baja
>I could buy.
>
>> By the way, anytime you are in the area and want to run against the
Nor-Tech
>> in the big stuff we will be glad to join you. Just let us know.
>
llamafeeder
"Mike Carter (SCARAB)" <lisac...@prodigy.net> wrote:
>
>Garry Heon wrote in message
>>I also see that I can't trust Miklos with private conversations
>>either. What an Asshole.
>>
>>
>O.K. there Mr. Heon the Peon I gotta stick up for my friend Steve Miklos.
>Ya, gonna be in Florida anytime soon there big boy???!!! Mike Carter
>
>
Very clever post Peon..
If you had any class you's have started a "Miklos Song contest"
But you went the low route.....
Mark Whatman
billy badarse wrote:
> WHAT? Did someone say that that Pepper guy from Velocity skipped out
> on
> the Texas races because he was busy ordering a NEW NOR-TECH?
No, Pepper and team didn't go to Texas for many reason's, business (it's
what pays for the racing) being the biggest.
> Could it be? Have the two LEADERS OF THE PACK for Velocity, BOOB &
> PEPPER (sounds like a TV detective show) decided that the only way to
> win races is to DUMP VELOCITY and purchase a NOR-TECH.
Bob and Pepper run Velocity's because they like the boats and their
builder Steve Stepp. That's not to say that they wouldn't run another
brand if they felt that's what would be required to win in the class
they choose to run in. Many racers have changed brands even though they
still maintain a friendly relationship with previous builders. Things
continuously change and what works this year many not be the hot ticket
next. Probably the only two racers that would never change brands are
Stepp and Fountain (he just buys companies or designs and puts his name
on the boat rather than work the designs to stay competitive, RE: Skater
and Buzzi)
> I know better that this. BOOB would not be caught dead in anything
> other than a VELOCITY. Remember last year when he was winning. That
> guy lived, ate, and slept Velocity. Now he's SELLING IT? No way!
The boat's had a for sale sign on it since the day he took delivery.
Business is business.
Mark Whatman
rob...@gte.net wrote:
> >SNIP<
> > Not much rough stuff in FL. Come up here to NJ where it's rough
> > and floating telephone poles make it more interesting.
> >
> > Garry
> >
>
> So that's why I have problems with my calls up north....the telephone
> poles
> are in the water!!
>
> Robert
> L-23
>
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Nah, just thought I would save a little bandwidth.
Garry Hoen
Garry Heon
Mike Carter (SCARAB) wrote:
>
> Garry Heon wrote in message
> >I also see that I can't trust Miklos with private conversations
> >either. What an Asshole.
> >
> >
> O.K. there Mr. Heon the Peon I gotta stick up for my friend Steve Miklos.
> Ya, gonna be in Florida anytime soon there big boy???!!! Mike Carter
The boat might take a ride with the rest of them that head to Luaderdale
for the winter. As for you're buddy Miklos, when you talk to him
just imagine you're standing in front of a crowd with a really
good pa system. Yea, I thought Steve was cool.........
Garry Heon
Andrew Corn
So tell us who the Apache driver is.
Andrew Corn
GOBB24
Jerry Jacoby drove Apaches.
BB
Andrew Corn
Jerry Jacoby drove Cigarette's and I don't believe he has ever owned an
Apache. The Apache was an extension of his never rigged race boat built to
replace "Cigarette Hawk" renamed "Super Brut" and extended by USA for
Apache. He then used it to make the USA cats as Don A. was not able to
build monohulls for four years after selling Cigarette to Integrated
Resources and Founders Equity. The boat was eventually sold and rigged as
a pleasure boat by Bob Moore. Last report of Jerry was living in South
Beach and selling Porsches for a local car dealer.
--
Andrew Corn
GOBB24 <gob...@aol.com> wrote in article
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> Jerry Jacoby drove Apaches.
>
> BB
>
MAllwe5877
><HTML><PRE>Subject: Re: Fountain Fever 27 or 29???
>From: "Garry" <first...@worldnet.att.net>
>Date: Thu, Jun 11, 1998 23:48 EDT
>Message-id: <6m1fsi$6...@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net>
>
>
>MAllwe5877 wrote in message
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>snip
>>
>>No gauntlet. Just like to go for boat rides. We are considering going to
>>Baltimore next month. Maybe Gary can join us for some testing.
>
>dually I'll pull
>it down. Too bad it's a bay race. The only boats I can compare my boat
>with me
>driving are 3 - 42' Fountains with 3 x 500, step bottom 3 x 502EFI, 3 x 525
>SC, 35' & 45' Sonics
>with 2 x 502 and 3 x 500 hp Bulldogs, 28 & 36 Skaters, a 35 Cigarette with 2
>x 650 hp,
>and the king an old 42' Apache with 2 x 850 hp. Although I'm most impressed
>with a 33
>Powerplay that runs with us. When things get big and snotty it's
>me and the Apache. Granted the driver of the Apache is an Offshore World
>Champ
>throttleman but the other boats should be able to stay with us. I don't
>have that much
>experience with the freighter so the other boys should be able to run at
>least as good
>as me. I'd like a ride in the Nortech in big water, bigger than corpus.
>
>
>
>> Mike
>
>
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It wasn't that the water was big in Corpus, only 2-4ft. It was really confused
and boiling.
As far as the Nor-Tech goes, we'd love to give you a ride so you can see what I
am talking about. The boat is incredible in rough water. It gets on top and
just motors like a freight train. The most impressive thing about it though is
the balance. In the three 38's I have been in, including the Superfast, we have
never run any tab. As cruddy as the water was in Corpus, the tabs never went
below level. Because you don't have to run tab there is less drag and the boat
maintains its speed. Very stable but fun to drive.
Plus it runs big numbers on light power. For example, the newest 38 (full
interior) ran 87mph out of the box on Gaffrig.
It runs good on bigger power too. For example, the "WarbirdII" runs 96mph on
GPS with 600hp on Bravos; the Innovator ran 108mph with 800hp and #6's(unique
exhaust system probably cost it some speed); and Knight Moves runs 103mph now
with 725hp on Bravos.
Mike A.
Mike Jenkins
Mr. Gobb ? : Rocky is still around so are his
Restaurants, See him on local TV still has
his fingers, ever been there to eat. Mike J.
Laser
On 14 Jun 1998 23:18:23 GMT, "Andrew Corn"
<netadmin_d...@gte.net> wrote:
>Jerry Jacoby drove Cigarette's and I don't believe he has ever owned an
>Apache. The Apache was an extension of his never rigged race boat built to
>replace "Cigarette Hawk" renamed "Super Brut" and extended by USA for
>Apache. He then used it to make the USA cats as Don A. was not able to
>build monohulls for four years after selling Cigarette to Integrated
>Resources and Founders Equity. The boat was eventually sold and rigged as
>a pleasure boat by Bob Moore. Last report of Jerry was living in South
>Beach and selling Porsches for a local car dealer
.
All right Mr Corn we are impressed with your knowledge.
I would like to see you and Mr Bell play MerCruiser Jeopardy .
I can see it now....
Capt Bill I would like obscure powerplants for $1000.... What's this a
Daily Double !
Now that's entertainment.
Steve
Andrew Corn
For really obscure info we need to include Allweise Sr. He could probably
remind us of the adventures of the likes of Snapper Norris and boats like
the Flying Submarine out of NJ with five Scott Attwater outboards (infamous
multiply Turtle Award Winner)
--
Andrew Corn
Laser <LA...@MARLOWE.NET> wrote in article
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GOBB24
Then who drove "Apache Hawk"? I know there was one of them around in the late
seventies, and I thought it was Jacoby...Whatever happened to Benihana man
Rocky?
BB
Andrew Corn
The large Apache's as you know them weren't developed until the mid 80's.
The boat named Apache I think you are talking about was a 39 Squadron
driven by Kilpatrick and throttled by Bob Saccenti in the early 80's. I
don't think it was named Apache Hawk, just Apache and it did have Hawk
engines in it for a few races. Bob Saccenti started Apache Boats next door
to Hawk Marine in I think 1980 or 1979 and was building smaller (21 to 28)
boats. Bob Saccenti, Keith Eickert, and Jerry Jacoby owned Hawk Marine
until 1981 when Keith wanted to move with, I think, Kilpatrick and Saccenti
to from KS&W in St. Augustine, so Jerry bought both of them out. Kramer
and Saccenti somehow ended up both building Apaches, Ben the large boats
and Saccenti the smaller. I think Bob is now building larger boats, up to
40'.
The last race that I know Rocky Aoki raced in was Pt. Pleasant 1982 with
Howard Quam. His doctor threatened to leave him for good if he ever raced
again. They won that race.
--
Andrew Corn
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GOBB24
Behinana is some good food, too bad he had to bust his ass to quit racing, he
won alot of stuff..
BB
Garry Heon
Andrew Corn wrote:
>
> So tell us who the Apache driver is.
>
> Andrew Corn
Went through and read all the posts about Apaches, guess I should
have told you that Steve Leif was running a Superboat. Can't remember
which class or which year. Sometime in the '80s. I'll have to
ask next time I see him.
Garry
Garry Heon
MAllwe5877 wrote:
snip
> It wasn't that the water was big in Corpus, only 2-4ft. It was really confused
> and boiling.
That's the kind of crap we get in the bay, luckily it's not too far of
a run to open ocean.
> As far as the Nor-Tech goes, we'd love to give you a ride so you can see what I
> am talking about. The boat is incredible in rough water. It gets on top and
> just motors like a freight train. The most impressive thing about it though is
> the balance. In the three 38's I have been in, including the Superfast, we have
> never run any tab. As cruddy as the water was in Corpus, the tabs never went
> below level. Because you don't have to run tab there is less drag and the boat
> maintains its speed. Very stable but fun to drive.
> Plus it runs big numbers on light power. For example, the newest 38 (full
> interior) ran 87mph out of the box on Gaffrig.
> It runs good on bigger power too. For example, the "WarbirdII" runs 96mph on
> GPS with 600hp on Bravos; the Innovator ran 108mph with 800hp and #6's(unique
> exhaust system probably cost it some speed); and Knight Moves runs 103mph now
> with 725hp on Bravos.
> Mike A.
I'd like to take a ride. How tall are the NorTechs? Being a tall
guy, 6'4", I like have a tall boat around me. One of the main reasons
I don't like Fountains and went with the Velocity.
Garry Heon
Andrew Corn
Steve Leif, from NY? Had Limos? Seat on Stock exchange? Member Turnberry
Isle? If its the same person, the last time I saw him was sometime in
early 80's and he had an Excalibur 40. Don't remember him ever racing a
superboat, I think he rode with someone in a couple of races in production,
modified or sport classes up north in a brand named Superboat. I forget
the name of the boat. Great guy if its the same. Tell him I said "hello"
--
Andrew Corn
Garry Heon <he...@lucent.com> wrote in article
<35855E54...@lucent.com>...
Kent.P...@mailexcite.com
In article <6m2vl1$fch$1...@gte2.gte.net>,
I am impressed Andrew! What do you know about the 24' Aronow that Michael
Aronow is making now. Supposedly it is a design by Don that was never
produced. I saw a few hulls in Ft. Apache a couple of months ago. Do you know
the history of this design?
Kent
GarySanch
Opening the engine, even if just to take a look.
>What is the mechanical lowdown on the tampering?<BR>
>Anyone know exactly what was illegal?<BR>
><BR>
CoolWhip
Garrison Johns
Not to poke an obviously sore spot, just seriously curious after
all the posts on this.
What is the mechanical lowdown on the tampering?
Anyone know exactly what was illegal?
Steve's post is the first time I have seen any detail on the DQ.
-SNIP-
It is no surprise the engine was in Hp spec it was
>however very well documented ILLEGAL. Many people at Velocity and
>other Velocity racers were well aware that this engine was ILLEGALLY
>tampered with early in the 1997 race season.
-SNIP
>
>Steve
Andrew Corn
If you're talking about the 24' Aronow Cat that looks similar to the 40'
USA Cat, that design was actually built in wood and tested before a mold
was made. I rode in it with no deck, a steering wheel, and a 400
Mercrusier. I purchased the 27' Squadron molds from Don <financed by a
partner who ultimately ended up with them>. One of the many things I
realized and was taught about was how Don built boats, they were all heavy.
So I asked him once, and he told me he had to market to older people that
had the money to buy his boats and he hated a pleasure boat that bounced
around in rough water and sounded like a tin can with rocks in it. When I
built the 27 Squadron into an outboard, and made it a light layup and a
dual stringer, 7 bulkhead boat, it performed fantastic. I think this was
one of the problems that he had with the 24. But probably more of a
problem was the competition in the smaller/faster/cheaper boats being
manufactured that he had to compete with in that income bracket market.
I thought most of the molds were liquidated after Gary Garbrecht
restructured the company when it was sold to some overseas investors, I
guess they got tired of losing money and bailed.
I also thought Michael was still involved in race horses, what a gentleman
and all around great guy.
If the 24' you are talking about is another design, it may be one that was
stored and not purchased when Cigarette was sold in 1981. He had a
no-compete with regards to V-hulls and Integrated Resources, Founders
Equity, and Jerry Jacoby did not buy all the molds from him <ie. Squadron
Molds>.
--
Andrew Corn
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llamafeeder
"Andrew Corn" <netadmin_d...@gte.net> wrote:
Hey Andrew, did you know my mentor and former partner Seadaddy?
Eric
Andrew Corn
That would be Bill Sirois? Of course, Bill was one of the most inventive
and smartest race boaters that lived. Bill, I think started with Old man
Keikaffer in the tunnel boats and in the endurance section of Mercury.
Bill, when he had his racing face on, was tough and hard to get close too,
but was really a kind an giving person. If he tutored you, you should feel
fortunate, because he took very few under his wing.
--
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llamafeeder <llama...@mindspring.com> wrote in article
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GOBB24
I have a Bill Sirois "Up Up and Away" model boat circa 1972. Mercury made them
with a little battery powered inline 6 outboard. It's about two feet long and
I keep it in pristine condition.
Sirois was a unique racer..
BB
MAllwe5877
><HTML><PRE>Subject: Re: Hey Andrew (was Fountain 27 something)
>From: "Andrew Corn" <netadmin_d...@gte.net>
>Date: Mon, Jun 15, 1998 18:27 EDT
>Message-id: <6m475d$gi0$3...@news-2.news.gte.net>
>
>
>That would be Bill Sirois? Of course, Bill was one of the most inventive
>and smartest race boaters that lived. Bill, I think started with Old man
>Keikaffer in the tunnel boats and in the endurance section of Mercury.
>Bill, when he had his racing face on, was tough and hard to get close too,
>but was really a kind an giving person. If he tutored you, you should feel
>fortunate, because he took very few under his wing.
>--
>Andrew Corn
Andrew,
Wasn't Bill Sirois also in business at one time with a fellow by the name
of Doug Janisch in an engine building operation known as Black Widow? I seem to
recall that Black Widow was the rage for modified and sport class engines in
the mid 70's. My Dad ran the engines in Modified class and so did his chief
rivals Marty King and Keith Hazel in a boat called Starfire ( it used to be
Tommy Adams old 27'Magnum, Miss America?, I think was its name).
Mike
Garry Heon
Andrew Corn wrote:
>
> Steve Leif, from NY? Had Limos? Seat on Stock exchange? Member Turnberry
> Isle? If its the same person, the last time I saw him was sometime in
> early 80's and he had an Excalibur 40. Don't remember him ever racing a
> superboat, I think he rode with someone in a couple of races in production,
> modified or sport classes up north in a brand named Superboat. I forget
> the name of the boat. Great guy if its the same. Tell him I said "hello"
> --
Wow now I am impressed. Small world, so the offshore world champion
is not true. I guess I'll have to remove it from the Apache he
now has. The "Purple Warrior" Excalibur has been replaced with the
"Apache Warrior". The only purple on this boat is the seats and
motors. If you remember the old Steve you'll never recognize
the more mellow "Mad Max" or "Mad Chief". I'll let him know you
said hi.
Garry Heon
billy badarse
hold up in Apache Power Boats warehouse. We'll see.
Jim Hawkins
HP's, and am learning how to drive it. It's my first performance twin
and I'm being careful to take it easy at first. Here is the question,
As I get to around 75 MPH the boat has a tendency to start bouncing side
to side and gets worse as speed increases. How do I cure this or drive
thru it, or what do where do I need to set the tabs or trim the tabs to
help this without causing excess drag. The boat has been clocked at 85+
MPH but I won't see that until I learn how to handle this problem. Any
help will be appreciated.
Thanks "Rookie"