Reply to Laser
Ron
per month....Which it may well be worth...Garbrecht's PROP TOUR used me as
their motor inspector for 1998, but they don't own Ron Hill....Mercury isn't
that pleased with the 1999 PROP Rules...Mercury motors are limited to 8,6000
RPM and 36 CC heads and Yamaha has no limits....Garbrecht a Mercury
puppet????Not the Garbrechts I know.
As far as the IRS FIASCO: Have you ever delt with the IRS???From what I
heard, the Unlimiteds had a pile of money go through their hands and the IRS
thought they MUST BE making some money....
As far as APBA being a "Good old boy network": I ran for OPC Chairman. Me or
my staff called every OPC member and left word that they could call me on my
800 number reguarding OPC. If you've know somebody for 40 years, does that
make him a "Good old boy"? Or does that make him someone you know you can
count on when the work must get done???
I have no idea about Goracing.com, except that I bitched to Jones that NOTHING
WAS BEING DONE...Fitts got it started but I'm not sure it was his job to keep
it going...There was no direction from the top, until Jeff Grigg took the ball
and ran...and DID A GREAT JOB.
Because Jake aon't raced in 2 years, Hell, I haven't raced since 1985. I was
legally bind with cateracts for three years. I do know that Jake was
reasonbly pissed when after winning his 7th SST-60 National CHampionships,
that the inspectors took 6 hours to decided to call the factory the next day
to find out if he was legal...He was legal and he found out on Tuesday, when
ther trophies had been given out to all classes except his on Monday.
Sometime racing in EUROPE is fun....Like I think all racing should be.
I don't have to write you in private. Anything I have to say, I'll say to
anyone's face.
Ron Hill
Andrew Corn
Ron wrote in message <368462E0...@pacbell.net>...
>I was told that Jeff Grigg flat refused to do the WEB for less than a
$1,000 per month....Which it may well >be worth...
If it's worth it then why change, what is the total budget including the
changes the site for the next year the Greg Jacobson has been touting.
>Garbrecht's PROP TOUR used me as
>their motor inspector for 1998, but they don't own Ron Hill....Mercury
isn't
>that pleased with the 1999 PROP Rules...Mercury motors are limited to
8,6000
>RPM and 36 CC heads and Yamaha has no limits....Garbrecht a Mercury
>puppet????Not the Garbrechts I know.
More blinders and colored glasses. Who are you kidding?
>As far as the IRS FIASCO: Have you ever delt with the IRS???From what I
>heard, the Unlimiteds had a pile of money go through their hands and the
IRS
>thought they MUST BE making some money....
You still dance around the question, was it on Jones' (The CPA) watch? Was
it Jones' creative accounting that caused the problem? Is it Jones'
creative accounting that paid for his world tour? Did we pay for anyone
else to travel with him? I hope he didn't go over to talk offshore. APBA
Offshore hasn't been aligned with UIM since 1981 or 82. The last APBA/UIM
Worldchampion was in 1981. Beside I believe we have an appointed UIM
Offshore representative.
>
>As far as APBA being a "Good old boy network": I ran for OPC Chairman. Me
or
>my staff called every OPC member and left word that they could call me on
my
>800 number reguarding OPC. If you've know somebody for 40 years, does
that
>make him a "Good old boy"? Or does that make him someone you know you can
>count on when the work must get done???
I suppose you and Sam deciding to take control for two years each is not a
preplanned good ole boy power play? You take it for two years and I'll take
it for two. Is that how it goes? Hey lets put up "Good Ole Boy" Ron, he'll
support us, we've known him for 40 years. Once honorable men have now
fallen to the level of condo board attitudes, power plays and good ole boy
politics against the organization and membership that embraced them.
>I have no idea about Goracing.com, except that I bitched to Jones that
NOTHING
>WAS BEING DONE...Fitts got it started but I'm not sure it was his job to
keep
>it going...There was no direction from the top, until Jeff Grigg took the
ball
>and ran...and DID A GREAT JOB.
Still dancing, did Goracing.com pay for the advertisment on "Inside APBA"
and Propeller? What is Stan Fitts' involvement with them?
>
>Because Jake aon't raced in 2 years, Hell, I haven't raced since 1985.
No one said you have to race to be a good leader. What was said was if you
are going to race don't you think it would be good to race the sanction that
you are a board member?
>I don't have to write you in private. Anything I have to say, I'll say to
>anyone's face.
But you along with the rest are not above making deals in the backroom. And
if nobody asks, so much the better. APBA has had a real problem doing
business in the Sunshine.
The difference now is that the communications between the classes is getting
better and you don't have the advantage of an uninformed membership. APBA
can no longer control the spread of information between the membership.
They cannot control this news group.
I for one would not give the time of day to any member of the BOD. If you
sat at my table I would get up and leave in disgust, I would so state it as
well. I encourage each and every member to do the same. Make these people
socially unacceptable. Don' t talk to them, don't invite them, don't
associate with them. Speak only when necessary, race and have fun with your
true friends. Hopefully they will get the message, they have misused the
trust of the membership. The honorable thing to do would be to step down.
But don't hold you breath, it's hard to get condo board members to give up
power.
Andrew Corn
H82LUZ1
>I for one would not give the time of day to any member of the BOD. If you
>sat at my table I would get up and leave in disgust, I would so state it as
>well. I encourage each and every member to do the same.
Hang on Andrew.
I remember you trying to get Mike A. to talk to USO and SBI about working out
the offshore problems. As I understand it, he tried, They didn't want to
listen, and all went to hell.
Why not confront these "top" individuals in APBA and try to make some REAL
changes, rather than just declare "Mutiny".
Mike G.
Andrew Corn
run rough shod over them. They have the power to do what they want and the
only way to correct it is to take it to them personally. Since they claim
they make no money then the only reason they must do it is socially. Remove
the social approval and maybe they will get the message. Nothing else has
worked.
Why in the world would another organization want to become part of this
mess. Where the BOD takes action that they know is controversial and
wrong, then tries to defend it?
Mike and I have tried several times to create a better relationship between
the clubs and assure their membership that things are different in APBA now
than when they left. Actions by the board like this four year change, not
that I am against the four year deal but how it was done is disgusting, make
it very hard to deal and destroy all the trust that was built up between us.
Andrew Corn
Now your are seeing some of the reasons that there are splinter groups.
H82LUZ1 wrote in message <19981226121141...@ng117.aol.com>...
Jeff
Ron wrote:
>
> I was told that Jeff Grigg flat refused to do the WEB for less than a $1,000
> per month....Which it may well be worth...Garbrecht's PROP TOUR used me as
> their motor inspector for 1998, but they don't own Ron Hill....Mercury isn't
> that pleased with the 1999 PROP Rules...Mercury motors are limited to 8,6000
> RPM and 36 CC heads and Yamaha has no limits....Garbrecht a Mercury
> puppet????Not the Garbrechts I know.
>
> As far as the IRS FIASCO: Have you ever delt with the IRS???From what I
> heard, the Unlimiteds had a pile of money go through their hands and the IRS
> thought they MUST BE making some money....
>
> As far as APBA being a "Good old boy network": I ran for OPC Chairman. Me or
> my staff called every OPC member and left word that they could call me on my
> 800 number reguarding OPC. If you've know somebody for 40 years, does that
> make him a "Good old boy"? Or does that make him someone you know you can
> count on when the work must get done???
>
> I have no idea about Goracing.com, except that I bitched to Jones that NOTHING
> WAS BEING DONE...Fitts got it started but I'm not sure it was his job to keep
> it going...There was no direction from the top, until Jeff Grigg took the ball
> and ran...and DID A GREAT JOB.
>
> Because Jake aon't raced in 2 years, Hell, I haven't raced since 1985. I was
> legally bind with cateracts for three years. I do know that Jake was
> reasonbly pissed when after winning his 7th SST-60 National CHampionships,
> that the inspectors took 6 hours to decided to call the factory the next day
> to find out if he was legal...He was legal and he found out on Tuesday, when
> ther trophies had been given out to all classes except his on Monday.
>
> Sometime racing in EUROPE is fun....Like I think all racing should be.
>
> I don't have to write you in private. Anything I have to say, I'll say to
> anyone's face.
>
> Ron Hill
Laser
Since Mr Jones is a CPA I would think he would be able on very short
notice. Produce in readable format a detailed general Ledger for the
APBA'S full financial's. This could eliminate speculation and shed a
positive light on some officials. A post on here recently claimed APBA
had a disaster recovery team (assuming he meant business disaster)
This information should be sitting off site at a data warehouse where
a non partial person could retrieve it before any changes could made.
This would be a very positive move to help build trust in the
organization.
I have the ability to read any data format used in business . We have
a full disaster recovery service and keep 3 midrange and 1 mainframe
machines up at all times. My data center and staff is available at no
charge if we can get this information.
This generates two questions
If the APBA could not survive a audit to such a extent that seven
years (the maximum allowed by law) who's fault was it ? Mr Jones is a
CPA he should have known if the organization was at risk. If the group
would not follow my advice on taxes and I was a CPA. I would be forced
to quit for liability reasons.
Ron mentioned that Unlimited may have caused the audit. If this is
true and now they (Unlimited) cost APBA another $100,000.00 this year.
I see them as a liability why do we want unlimited around ? With so
few boats perhaps if they are the cause of such troubles they should
form there own group. The cost this year alone just on the Donner
subject is around $15,000 per boat (based on 7 boats).
Steve
Laser
OOPS forgot something !
I have no knowledge of Mike Jones until recently. My opinion is as
President he could have stopped the vote to extend his term. He also
had the option to put it on the docket for the next meeting and not
sneak it in. Since he is the only beneficiary that is clear at this
point. And he has not explained his motives I have a very negative
opinion of the whole matter and most of the people around it.
Steve
Llamafeeder
>I DID NOT REFUSE TO DO THE SITE FOR LESS THAN $1000 !!!
>
>Ron wrote:
>>
>> I was told that Jeff Grigg flat refused to do the WEB for less than a $1,000
>> per month....Which it may well be worth...Garbrecht's PROP TOUR used me as
blah blah blah
That's the beauty of a ng Jeff....
People can post this kind of speculation and there are no consequences
to their irresponsibility..
RH probobly heard it from a friend who heard it from a friend who has
the "real" info from behind the scenes. Right.
Ignore it. They only gun for you when you're in the front.
LF
GOBB24
own site and to be paid $1000 a month to admin it would be like highway
robbery...
To design a killer page is a different story...that costs money...
BoatKitten
Every post to this newsgroup gets the priviledge of getting an instant
rebuttal, unlike a magazine etc.
I've gotten my share of inaccurate info on here, but didn't see anyone of you
all backing me up, cuz the attacker happened to post more often than me, and I
guess belonged to the rec.boat good ole boys.
Each time, little ole' BK was solely responsible for "setting the record
straight". I stood my ground, tapped on my keyboard and just did it. So
there.
NOW: The gossip I HEARD (actually "read").................. was that
Jeff's website was WORTH $1000, and the BOD was most likely afraid that asking
him to come down in price would be an insult to him........so they didn't ask.
$12,000 per year was too much for them to be able to pay. MAYBE all it would
take is for Jeff to communicate that he might be willing to compromise.
my 2 cents: I'd like to see Jeff stay as webmaster. He is very good.
Andrew Corn
BoatKitten wrote in message <19981227235623...@ng154.aol.com>...
>NOW: The gossip I HEARD (actually "read").................. was that
>Jeff's website was WORTH $1000, and the BOD was most likely afraid that
asking
>him to come down in price would be an insult to him........so they didn't
ask.
>$12,000 per year was too much for them to be able to pay. MAYBE all it
would
>take is for Jeff to communicate that he might be willing to compromise.
>my 2 cents: I'd like to see Jeff stay as webmaster. He is very good.
Well here is what one of your Board Members had to say about the situation
when asked, and I quote:
2. Why was Jeff not asked to bid on the Web site?
"I am not sure where this is coming from but I can only guess. The BOD had
more information from Jeff Grigg than from any other applicant. I
personally
spoke with Jeff for over and hour about the Web. We had all the information
from him that any other applicant gave us. The job of Webmaster was given
to
the person that the BOD felt would do the best job - period. It just so
happens that APBA will also save over 50% by using a new webmaster. We will
monitor the quality of the Web and if it is not up to the highest standards
we
will make changes."
Now it's real funny that Jones is Garbrecht's CPA and the company that is
doing the website is doing PROPs site. Gee and all for $250.00 per month
(thats the hosting part for those that don't know). Now it's pretty hard to
pull the wool over my eyes in this area since webhosting is part of my
business. $250.00 per month is not uncommon to host a website of that
size, however that is the not where the real cost lies. The real cost is in
changing the pages on regular basis, writing new pages and having the talent
to produce good product. Ask BB how many hours it take to get a good
product. It's not just some artwork that is pasted on a piece of paper,
there are links, and chats etc etc etc. When asked how much is the budget
for this next year, because we already have an actual expenses from last
year, I get no answer, they don't have one. Now how are you going to save
money if you have no budget.
Now if you look at Greg Jacobson's posts on the APBA Website, you will see
that they have many plans to expand the website. Where is the budget and
how much will it cost? Again no answer.
Another off the cuff decision without any accountability.
Andrew Corn
Llamafeeder
>NOW: The gossip I HEARD (actually "read").................. was that
>Jeff's website was WORTH $1000, and the BOD was most likely afraid that asking
>him to come down in price would be an insult to him........so they didn't ask.
>$12,000 per year was too much for them to be able to pay. MAYBE all it would
>take is for Jeff to communicate that he might be willing to compromise.
>my 2 cents: I'd like to see Jeff stay as webmaster. He is very good.
works for me.
LF
Suncoast Offshore
>$250.00 per month is not uncommon to host a website of that
>size, however that is the not where the real cost lies.
Actually, you could host 10 web sites the size of APBA's for $250 per month,
unless I'm missing something in their site that would run the site over
about 100MB. 95% of sites on the Internet use only 5MB or less.
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Jeff
paying almost $150 for the hosting and about $75 for the updating
of the site per month for a total of around $225. They will use
the present design and materials with no additional design fee.
Basically they will update only. At present APBA pays the hosting
co. directly. Under the new contract they will pay the new
webmaster to host. They use Rapidsite and APBA uses Hiway.
Rapidsite is part of Hiway.
GOBB24
use Icom.com and they have a killer deal, it's $8.25 a month for 25mb and
unlimited email forwarding, plus a bunch of other stuff....all of their deals
are great, and their service and support are excellent as well...check em out
if you're so inclined...
Maintaining a cool web page is not that easy, you have to have the ideas,
software, and ability to get the job done, if your site sucks then nobody will
come view it. I'd like to think mine is good, but I'm never satisified, so
I'll keep changing it...that's the trouble with being your own webmaster, too
much access to FTP!!
bo...@my-dejanews.com
and seemed he really cared for the sport. If I recall He was also the Pres.
when APBA's membership was at one of its peaks. We all should reserve judgment
until we hear from Mr. Jones...
Scott
> OOPS forgot something !
>
> I have no knowledge of Mike Jones until recently. My opinion is as
> President he could have stopped the vote to extend his term. He also
> had the option to put it on the docket for the next meeting and not
> sneak it in. Since he is the only beneficiary that is clear at this
> point. And he has not explained his motives I have a very negative
> opinion of the whole matter and most of the people around it.
> Steve
>
>
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>The new contract will have us paying almost $150 for the hosting
>and about $75 for the updating
>of the site per month for a total of around $225. They will use
>the present design and materials with no additional design fee.
>Basically they will update only. At present APBA pays the hosting
>co. directly. Under the new contract they will pay the new
>webmaster to host. They use Rapidsite and APBA uses Hiway.
>Rapidsite is part of Hiway.
>
for $150 a month? These days, even $44.95/mo is high for just hosting fees,
although it depends on the amount of space and traffic. For $150/mo. they
could have tons of features and space.
When you say, "update only," I assume you mean text only updates.
Not that it's going to be as extensive as the APBA site, but the site I'm
doing, (design and hosting for free), for the Suncoast Offshore Grand Prix
certainly isn't costing me anything close to $150 a month to host. I'm
adding a web based discussion board and a Java chat to it as well.
Since Rapidsite is done through resellers only, it's hard to tell what the
price *should* be for their service from their site.
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bo...@my-dejanews.com wrote in message <768vha$98h$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
>I met Mike jones at a Natl. meeting years back. He answered all my
questions
>and seemed he really cared for the sport. If I recall He was also the Pres.
>when APBA's membership was at one of its peaks. We all should reserve
judgment
>until we hear from Mr. Jones...
>
>Scott
>
Jeff
access such as secure servers, cgi servers etc. Basically the
same we have now. You have to explain. The general term hosting
is used in two ways. In this case it is the "renting" of space on
a web server. The physical space and the manpower to administer
the site. By administer does not mean touching the site, the
paperwork, bookeeping, etc. The other meaning of hosting is the
actual administering and maintainance and updating of the site.
Hiway is the parent company of Rapidsites. Rapidsite dealers can
re-sell the server space and do get a disount as well as some
additional technical information. The difference to the site in
this case APBA is nil. It allows the contractor to charge a
little more and make more profit. When we set up with Hiway I
assigned the domain name to APBA and APBA paid the "host" fee to
Hiway direct. No middleman and no additional cost. And the APBA
site does have chat and discussion (message) boards now. It's
great you can do this for free and I commend you. To do the APBA
site is much more intensive and there are a number of
requirements and deadlines for posting material which
necessitates work into the evening. In other words it is a
business and work not a hobby.
Suncoast Offshore
>I believe 75 mb per month and 4000 in transfer plus additional
>access such as secure servers, cgi servers etc. Basically the
>same we have now. You have to explain. The general term hosting
>is used in two ways. In this case it is the "renting" of space on
>a web server. The physical space and the manpower to administer
>the site. By administer does not mean touching the site, the
>paperwork, bookeeping, etc. The other meaning of hosting is the
>actual administering and maintainance and updating of the site.
Here's an idea of the space and features I'm talking about:
o 100 MB of space
o Additional Space at $.50 per meg per month
o No hit, volume, data limits or transfer fees
o Full FTP Multi-User Access and Telnet Access
o Page Counters, Form Mailer and Web Statistics installed on setup
o Unlimited email aliases, virtual mappings, POP accounts and FTP users
o Unlimited autoresponders (autobot mailers)
o Microsoft Front Page Extension Support
o Anonymous FTP Server
o JAVA Support
o mSQL Database Support
o SSH Access (Secure TELNET)
o HTTP Streaming of Real Audio and Real Video
o E-COMMERCE Server facilities available
o Additional custom software can be installed upon request
Hosting for the above is $100 per month. That of course doesn't include any
work on the site content. In addition, as long as it was part of the 100MB,
that configuration will support an additional 20 domain names for only the
cost of adding them to the DNS. And the ISP allows you your own "virtual"
DNS so you can add and remove domain names including sub-domains like:
yourname.domain.com. I'm not currently using the ISP that offers this, but
may be moving to it in conjunction with a friend who hosts about 100 domains
right now. It's about the best deal I've found.