New to Performance boats Need some questions answered
Stoli126
performance boat. Can someone tell me the quality between baja and powerquest.
I am considering the Baja 25 Outlaw or the Powerquest 26 Legend. Can someone
point me in the right direction with some good advice
Thanks
Mike C.
Well, I have personally checked out the Baja 25 Outaw and it is not the type
of quality boat I would buy. Reasons are:
Thin, Thin stringers
hull and deck is riveted together
floor is flimsy
grab the steering wheel and you can see the dash flex
bolsters are mounted with to small of screws and they flex too much
I also checked out the Powerquest boat and they are much better made. Here
is a small list of boats you should check out before you waste your money on
a Baja
27 Fountain
26 Donzi
27 Ultimate Warlock
25 Active Thunder
26 Sonic
27 Progression
There are other boat companies to check out both mass production and custom
but these are leagues above Baja. Also with the way Baja has raised there
prices you can get any of the above boats for the price of a Baja!
--
Mike Carter
Representing Paiste & Aquarian world class percussion
Stoli126 > wrote in message
BK
The NEW Emerald Poweboats at
www.emeraldboat.com
They have some new models that were just unveiled -- not on the website ---- so
call for more info.
Tom Wootton
http://www.ocke.se. They will out handle and are faster than any of those
listed. Batboats are typically 20% faster at any given horsepower due to a
far more efficient hull design. They handle rough water far better too.
Tom
Mike C.
Bat Boats are also smaller in deck, cockpit and cabin space, lighter and
have a very narrow hull beam with wings that's why they are faster!
--
Mike Carter
Representing Paiste & Aquarian world class percussion
Tom Wootton <wrote in message > Don't forget to check out batboats They will
Jerry Hahn
between the Baja 25 Outlaw and the 27' Fountain Fever. I personnaly think
the Baja makes a good boat, but to many mass produced for the price range
that we are talking. But then again they are more affordable if you want to
get into performance boating. I still see the older Bajas porpoising up and
down the lake, newer ones seem to be a lot better. I got a lot of answers
last winter from Mark and Garry and went with the Fountain. This is the
smoothest riding boat I have ridden in and is rock solid when hitting waves.
The nose doesn't point to sky like the Baja did on take off. The Baja had
some rattle while underway, with it being a new boat I wondered what it
would be like later. Maybe it was just this peticular boat. Keep in mind
that I didn't test ride other boats as no close dealers for other
performance brands. Price I pay for living in Indiana, no BIG waters. I like
the construction of the Powerquest but never ridden in one. Please no
flames from any Baja owners, as these are just my personnal opinions and
they my change. Jerry
Stoli126 <stol...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> I am in the market for a new 2000 performance boat. This will be a first
time
> performance boat. Can someone tell me the quality between baja and
RM27twin
>http://www.ocke.se. They will out handle and are faster than any of those
>listed. Batboats are typically 20% faster at any given horsepower due to a
>far more efficient hull design. They handle rough water far better too.
I"m sorry but I can not let this one go. If this boat is so good
what happened to A-21 BatBoat in keywest.I do believe it finished behind most
of the F-1 fleet.You can go to the SBI web site and check times and speeds
Rich.
Dan
equipped, really loaded Baja 25
or Fountain/Powerquest 27, with a 500HP, Bravo HP drive, tandem trailer etc
etc. Just a ballpark will do.
Thanks
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be avaliable From your local Wellcraft Dealer
or TEAM SCARAB in California.
Hulls will be built by members of the same
crew who have built Larry Smith Scarabs since
the late 70s in SoCal.
All boats will be the same hull design as Bob
Christies "Ale House" boat which has run so
well in the 99 APBA season.
Contact your local Wellcraft Dealer.
or Team Scarab at 714-826-5223 or E-Mail
at (Sca...@jps.net) Yes Scarib..Mike J.
User198
I KNOW BECAUSE I AM A PROFESSIONAL. I WOULD LIKE TO TELL YOU MORE BUT I ATE 5
TACOS FOR DINNER AND I DONT WANT TO SOIL ANOTHER PAIR OF UNDERWEAR SO I AM
GOING TO RUN FOR THE TOILET.
(no witholding cause i got to crap really badly)
FLY LEVEL
handles the rough waters of lake Michigan great. The boat
is great to sleep on when out on the weekends and for a 25ft boat it out runs
theWellcrafts,Bajas,
Powerquests(Powerquiters) most of the Fountains. It is a great boat for its
price range and great resale value ,but after going to the worlds in ST.PET,
FLA.
I would have to turn my interest to Warlocks, or Hustler or the
Formulas with the fast tech hulls they are the ones that did the best in F1 &
F2 .
Mike C.
Checkmate HAHAHAHAHAH HEHEHEHEHE HOHOHOHOHO!!!!!
Better than Fountain ect. HAHAHAHAH HEHEHEHE HOHOHOHO
There is a local dealer and I would buy a Baja WAY before a piece of shit
like a freakin' Checkmate. GET REAL!!!!!!
The whole Factory 1 class lapped the Factory 1 Checkmate! What a joke plus
there is one dealer boat 27ft Checkmate w/ HP500EFI and I out ran him with
my much heavier 29 Fountain w/ HP500 carb no problem last Sunday in
Clearwater.
--
Mike Carter
Representing Paiste & Aquarian world class percussion
Mike C.
A 27 Fountain with a HP500 carb can be had for $78,000 to 80,000 and list is
right around 92,000. The 25 Baja Outlaw list is $99,000 and the local dealer
here in St. Pete, Fl. wants $85,000! No question the Fountain is a better
built boat but I can't believe it cost's less. It's a no brainer!
--
Mike Carter
Representing Paiste & Aquarian world class percussion
Dan <> wrote in message > I'm curious...just how much is the asking price
Mike C.
--
Mike Carter
Representing Paiste & Aquarian world class percussion
Mark Whatman <> wrote in message ...Jerry,Mike's list was pretty good though he forgot to mention Velocity.
tgtackett
horsepower, the most intriguing and most highly advanced Offshore hull in
the world, you need to take a look at the Armada D-24 and the B-28 Ocke
Mannerfeldt designs. How does this sound - 24', Fully encapsulated, ready
to race or have a blast out of the box, 86 MPH from a single 377 CI
Mercruiser that is as reliable as hell, and only cost $60K, you can't beat
it! I just got back from the factory an hour ago, I will be writing a full
article on RaceOffshore.com in the next week. If you want more info,
contact me, as I will be representing Armada here in the North. These boats
are "Pure Sex on the Water"! Nothing sleeker, not even close! And absolute
safety is paramont in the design from the keel up. I have spent seat time
in the 24', and YES, they do fly! Those wings work!
Tim Tackett - webm...@raceoffshore.com
RM27twin
well that explains alot
Rich.
Mike C.
Tim, The "batboats" were already mentioned and they are not a great rough
water boat, look at the Key West Race. Yes they are COOL looking but as a
high performance pleasure boat there is absolutly NO ROOM compared to many
other boats in this length range. Who wants to pleasure boat in a capsule in
the summer heat? My wife and I don't! Good luck selling them, I looked at
them at last years Miami show and though they were very narrow and small
with no deck, cabin or cockpit room to speak of.
--
Mike Carter
Representing Paiste & Aquarian world class percussion
tgtackett wrote in message > For the absolute best bang for your buck, the
Tom Wootton
Thanks for your informed input about the batboats. It is my website at http://www.batboats.com that has the videos. I do have an affiliation of sorts with them since I own the first B-24 made by Armada. I have been driving around at 85-95 in 6-8 footers in San Francisco Bay with both mine and a B-28 that they loaned me. Everyone is blown away by the handling and it is unbelievably smooth. I agree it is not for everyone because it doesn't look like the rest. You might get tired of having everyplace you go empty out and ask you about your boat. It is for those that want performance and handling above all else. They have walked away from every other boat in Europe, including those with twice the horsepower. Check out http://www.ocke.se/onedesign/ for racing and other news. Batboats also have safety features never before found on boats like self righting air bags in case the boat flips in a race.
Mike,
I called the factory and they will give you a ride if you contact them. I tried to send you an email but it comes back with a connection error. Their number is (606)723-6201. I will take anyone from this newsgroup for a ride who comes to San Francisco if I am in town.
--
Tom Wootton
776 Panoramic Hwy
Mill Valley, CA 94941
http://www.batboats.com
t...@batboats.com
From: Mark Whatman <mwha...@worldnet.att.net>
Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services
Newsgroups: rec.boats.racing.power
Date: Sat, 04 Dec 1999 08:55:22 -0500
Subject: Re: New to Performance boats Need some questions answered
"Mike C." wrote:
Tim, The "batboats" were already mentioned and they are not a great rough
water boat, look at the Key West Race. Yes they are COOL looking but as a
high performance pleasure boat there is absolutly NO ROOM compared to many
other boats in this length range. Who wants to pleasure boat in a capsule in
the summer heat? My wife and I don't! Good luck selling them, I looked at
them at last years Miami show and though they were very narrow and small
with no deck, cabin or cockpit room to speak of.
--
Mike Carter
Representing Paiste & Aquarian world class percussion
Mike,
Don't dismiss the B-28 (the B-24 is specifically a race boat at the present time) so quick. I hear they are addressing the hardtop issue with a removable or convertible top and the boat does have a v-berth area which many people who buy boats of this size use primarily for storage, not overnights. In a convertible configuration 4 or 5 adults could spend the day comfortably in the B-28. As for it's rough water characteristics, you're just wrong. They have been racing this configuration in Europe for years and it's cleaned up in each class they've entered. Ocke Mannerfeldt has come to the boating world and injected some real architectural and engineering insight, that above anything else he should be applauded for. In case you haven't noticed, performance boat design has been relatively stagnant over the past decade. No major or radical design changes (aerated hulls are not radical unless you happen to be in Mastry's old Fountain......Sorry, couldn't resist) other than what we have seen from Europe with Buzzi and Mannerfeldt.
Drop by their European web site and check out some of the mpegs (they used to be there, not sure if they still are) of the B-28 race boat running in the North Sea at close to 100 mph spending more time in the air than on the water. These hulls can rock if you have the power and the balls to fly them.
The "One Boat" class that the B-24 will be in next year will be the only class running in offshore where driver and throttle man (person) skill alone will determine the winners. It's affordable, fast and should provide some of the closest, fairest racing Offshore has seen in a long time.
Don't get me wrong, these boats aren't for everyone but they should not be dismissed without serious consideration. It's quirkiness will appeal to many people and I'll bet it's performance will shock many people into taking a second look.
Just my $.02
BTW, I have no affiliation with Armada or Ocke Mannerfeldt, just an interested observer.
--
Mark Whatman
mwha...@worldnet.att.net
http://home.att.net/~mwhatman
Mike C.
Mike C.
--
Mike Carter
Representing Paiste & Aquarian world class percussion
Tom Wootton <wrote in message Mike,
C_Spray
Jerry Steele
I know where to find a well equipped Nordic 25 Rage with 502 MAG
for $60000, brand new.
Jerry Steele
jst...@azstarnet.com
"Mike C." wrote:
> A 27 Fountain with a HP500 carb can be had for $78,000 to 80,000 and list is
> right around 92,000. The 25 Baja Outlaw list is $99,000 and the local dealer
> here in St. Pete, Fl. wants $85,000! No question the Fountain is a better
> built boat but I can't believe it cost's less. It's a no brainer!
>
> --
> Mike Carter
> Representing Paiste & Aquarian world class percussion
chad
<mdr...@prodigy.net> wrote:
> Well, I have personally checked out the Baja 25 Outaw and it is
> not the type
> of quality boat I would buy. Reasons are:
> Thin, Thin stringers
> hull and deck is riveted together
> floor is flimsy
> grab the steering wheel and you can see the dash flex
> bolsters are mounted with to small of screws and they flex too much
> I also checked out the Powerquest boat and they are much better
> made. Here
> is a small list of boats you should check out before you waste
> your money on
> a Baja
You should check out Advantage's 25 or 27 Victory. the quality is the
best. At least give them a call and get all of the technical Scoop
before you purchase some mass produced boat at probally more money.
> 27 Fountain
> 26 Donzi
> 27 Ultimate Warlock
> 25 Active Thunder
> 26 Sonic
> 27 Progression
> There are other boat companies to check out both mass production
> and custom
> but these are leagues above Baja. Also with the way Baja has
> raised there
> prices you can get any of the above boats for the price of a Baja!
> --
> Mike Carter
> Representing Paiste & Aquarian world class percussion
> Stoli126 > wrote in message
> > Can someone tell me the quality between baja and powerquest.
> > I am considering the Baja 25 Outlaw or the Powerquest 26 Legend.
> Can
> someone
> > point me in the right direction with some good advice
> > Thanks
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>The whole Factory 1 class lapped the Factory 1 Checkmate! What a joke
Mike. I think you need to get the whole story before you judge the
Checkmate. Let's face it, almost all of the boats that raced the Worlds in
factory 1 were built with racing THAT class in mind. a couple of others were
built as "A" class race boats. When you get right down to it, the 25 Checkmate
was the only true "weekend" boat. It was built with recreation in mind, not
racing.
I have driven a number of Checkmates and was very impressed with each boat
I have been in. Actually, I would be Very interested in seeing what would
happen if Checkmate would get serious about Factory racing and build a boat for
the class. With a good team running it, I strongly think it would raise some
eyebrows from the "big dogs" of factory fame.
The crew of this boat are a father and son team that are somewhat new to
offshore racing. Although they are great guys, I think they lack experience in
both racing and setup. I must admit, after the start of the second race, I
wanted to have a "chat" with the checkmate team about their start tactics. (
ok ok Brad and I both wanted to kick their butts). But, when I cooled
down and thought about it, I'm still pretty new to this sport myself and am
definately not beyond mistakes. I'm sure no one in this group can say they
have never made a mistake on a race course. Hopefully, we all learn from our
mistakes, shake hands and go on.
So, careful what you judge to be a "piece of shit". You may have to eat
those words someday when that "piece" goes blowing by you... <wink>
Gordo
JScott
Mike C. <mdr...@prodigy.net> wrote in message
news:82a7t3$24lg$1...@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com...
>
> A 27 Fountain with a HP500 carb can be had for $78,000 to 80,000 and list
is
> right around 92,000. The 25 Baja Outlaw list is $99,000 and the local
dealer
> here in St. Pete, Fl. wants $85,000! No question the Fountain is a better
> built boat but I can't believe it cost's less. It's a no brainer!
>
> --
100g's for a 25ft lake boat. I'd buy a used one for 30k and if you need to
put a engine in it you'll still be way ahead.
Tom Wootton
22-32 foot range, how about we all help put together a real comparison? I
suggest we list name, size, weight, engine options, speed with each engine
in different conditions, handling characteristics, prices, best features,
worst features, etc. We could build a chart that would help anyone in
deciding what to do when thinking about buying a boat in the price and size
range for offshore performance. We could even include bigger boats too.
Somebody mentioned cats, but I am under the impression that they do not
handle rough water well. We should include them too though.
Speaking of rough water I have always been confused about what that means.
Manufacturers and magazines speak of "rough water conditions" but never
define it. I assume that is because they do not want to be liable when they
say their boat handles 6 footers, etc. How do you measure six footers? I
assume it is from the bottom of the trough to the top of the crest. What
size waves do they stop racing at? What size do they start slowing down?
I could put a list together in Excell or ? or a web page on my site. Maybe
somebody else would like to host it since it is probably a good magnet for a
website.
Thanks,
Tom Wootton
776 Panoramic Hwy
Mill Valley, CA 94941
http://www.batboats.com
t...@batboats.com
> From: chad <cbudgeN...@rmisp.com.invalid>
> Organization: http://www.remarq.com: The World's Usenet/Discussions Start Here
> Newsgroups: rec.boats.racing.power
> Date: Sat, 04 Dec 1999 20:20:05 -0800
> Subject: Re: New to Performance boats Need some questions answered
>
JScott
>
> Checkmate HAHAHAHAHAH HEHEHEHEHE HOHOHOHOHO!!!!!
> Better than Fountain ect. HAHAHAHAH HEHEHEHE HOHOHOHO
> There is a local dealer and I would buy a Baja WAY before a piece of shit
> like a freakin' Checkmate. GET REAL!!!!!!
> The whole Factory 1 class lapped the Factory 1 Checkmate! What a joke plus
> there is one dealer boat 27ft Checkmate w/ HP500EFI and I out ran him with
> my much heavier 29 Fountain w/ HP500 carb no problem last Sunday in
> Clearwater.
You truly are funny. I own a 251 Checkmate. I have blown away soooo many
way too heavy Baja's it is'nt even funny. Yes! in rough water, I boat on the
Lake of the Ozarks usually on busy weekends(3 to 5 ftrs +) When I visit my
dad in Naples, I really enjoy boating in the peacefull Gulf.
My brother owns a 24 Outlaw with about 500+ hp, I have a stock 454mag, you
really should ask him who is faster, even in the rough. A 29 Baja may have a
chance with at least a 600hp, maybe? You might also ask him about bolsters
breaking loose from the gunwhale, wavy moldwork, cheap cleats that break, a
useless cabin, several misc. electrical probs with guages etc etc etc....
I would like to know what was wrong with the factory boat or who was'nt
driving it right! Checkmate doesn't make a "27" footer. But if they did it
would be so much better in quality than any Baja it would be a riot. If you
truly outran a ('25) Checkmate with a 500HP you better keep taking the
medication your on as the world will be an ugly place for you if you come
down.
Sorry for the dramatics but you really broght it on HEHEHEHEH HOHOHOHOHOHO.
Who are you Santa Claus????
Max450hp
skiping across the tops of the waves. if he starts to mis time it the boat will
slow and start to fall in the holes (bad) Im new with only 3 races under my
belt so any more input from cat racers would be great Lance Vincent S-45 MFW
Racing 30' Spectre
Max450hp
mercs 7200rpm chips for $70000.00 the boat is fast 100 mph last month i
upgraded the power heads to the new 1999 280 hp
(race offshore motors 8200 rpm chips) WOW 10 MORE MPH with the same motor
hight i know i can pic up more by playing with the X or spining the props in.
Some of you rave about Vs lets here from the cat owners any here ? How many
here on the ng have had a good or bad ride in a cat ? have any had a chance to
run a i/o
o/b cat in the ruff 6' to 10's ?
MAllwe5877
Missed you in St. Pete. Why a no show?
Mike A.
RC
my 97 27 powerquest runs right with all of the other
27 or so ft lake boats with eq power handles big waves fine
runs 65 mph w 454 mag and has way more room than others
in cabin and cockpit
i raced a 27 scarab and a 27 advantage for 4 miles and we were all within 3
boat lengths
the whole time
list of buddies boats
96 27 fever 502 mpi gills 67mph stepp hull
96 24 stryker 502 mpi race bravo w/ extension box 70 mph (25'5 actually)
96 260 baha 7.4 mpi 55 mph
92 formula 272 twin 454 mag 62 mph (29' boat actually)
when a 4' wave comes up they let off i dont except the formula
after 130 hard hours my boat has no cracks or rattles
p.s. i dont think that this guy wants a top fuel hydro going 240 mph just a
lake boat
robert.
Max450hp
see more of me next year might even have a new boat canopied. We had talked
about a race in Tennessee or Atlanta ? is that still in the works ? Loved
the TNN show i missed the stock and pro stock classes though thay must of been
in the first 15min of the show ?yes? will it be aired again?
Thanks Lance Vincent MFW Racing
Max450hp
had to come first. Gota have the marina open to make money = race boat lol hope
to see you soon and all the racers in 2000 and any one here on the NG stop by
the MFW boat next year and say hi Lance Vincent MFW Racing
Tom Melanson
owned one performance boat, '88 36 Fountain Fever (now the '38). So much
time and changes since then that anything I could write (and boy, could I)
about that boat would be out of date. I currently have a '38 Cigarette Top
Gun, but won't have it in the water 'til May so can't say anything
meaningful about it 'til later. Could say why I bought the boat, but don't
know if that would really count.
In any event, really interested in pros and cons on cats vs vees in open
ocean. I too have the impression that unless you are a talented racer, cats
can easily hook a sponson and get you in deep s_it in a hurry if you are not
really careful. But that might just be the buzz and not the truth. I'm all
ears.
Tom Wootton wrote in message ...
Max450hp
need to stay inside or outside or the wake. if you get forced out staighten out
the boat and cross the wake then let the boat settle then start you turn again.
lets say its a left hand turn the inside edge of the left sponson it whats
holding you in the turn if you lose that grip you can spin it.when you cross
that wake in a left hand turn first the right sponson comes up and across now
the right side is on the low side of the wake and the left side has lifted of
the water as it came across now you have started to slide your props just got
aireated so the tail end starts to come around on you so you start to pump the
sticks to try to get the props to bite if you spin you lucky but most likey
your right sponson is going to dig in and turn the boat over .In my first
race Gary Ballough stick man on the prime co spectre and the guy i bought my
first cat from told my not to cross the wake in a turn he put it like this.
Thanks Gary for the tips
tgtackett
seeks out the very best, and then decides to become involved with the
project, all of a sudden they are on a different page. Biased? yeah I guess
so. But, I have always strived for quality and the best that is available.
Now I have found it. If what I say wasn't true, I wouldn't say it. I have
had experience with all these boats being discussed, and I could tell you
stories about them all, but hey, I am not into slamming someone or their
product. I say let the product speak for itself.
tgtackett - webm...@raceoffshore.com
RM27twin wrote in message <19991204080841...@ng-fm1.aol.com>...
C_Spray
Tom Wootton wrote in message ...
>Now that we have thrown around some ideas about a bunch of boats in the
>22-32 foot range, how about we all help put together a real comparison? I
>suggest we list name, size, weight, engine options, speed with each engine
>in different conditions, handling characteristics, prices, best features,
>worst features, etc. We could build a chart that would help anyone in
>deciding what to do when thinking about buying a boat in the price and size
>range for offshore performance. We could even include bigger boats too.
Tom:
I would suspect that a good place to start would be in back issues of
Powerboat. Thay run a pretty thorough test, along with good subjective
evaluations as well. It will be hard to get all boats with exactly the same
power, although lately the HP500 or HP500EFI seems almost "standard" in
mid-size boats.
tgtackett
isn't intended for a true recreational boat to go overnighting on. But,
then again, most all of the exotic high performance sports cars on the
market aren't quite intended to run to Krogers in either. It solely depends
on what the buyer wants. All I am pointing out is the low cost that is
associated with Ocke's designs, when compared to the speed obtained from a
much smaller CI, less exotic engine package. Now, as far as rough water
performance, I beg to differ with you. I have enough seat and air time over
the past two years racing to recognize rough water capability when I feel
and see it. Blasting through 4' sloppy choppy conditions at over 80 mph in
a 24' boat is mighty impressive to me. I have seen many 26' and 27' "A"
boats (non canopy) that wouldn't be able to maintain 60 mph in the water we
were in. And yes, I know, because I have lapped a lot of them in my 7000 lb
Cigarette that eats 4 - 5' chop like it was nothing. Many times I have
stated that I would never get out of a stand up boat for a sit down canopy
rig. Well, something has come along and has changed my mind. Also, it
seems to me that the 28' hull faired quite well on the West Coast in
Offshore conditions. Do you have the details of the Key West race? I don't
think too many boats faired really well down there it that stuff. A good
friend of mine ran that race, and he was so badly banged up, that he should
have been in a hospital. But his drive and determination made him put the
pain aside. Unless you know the real story, a single comparison does not
make a determination. In Official Competition, Mannerfelt designs
(including the B-28) have claimed Five World Championship titles. The B-28
is marketed for the consumer for somewhat average boating. I understand it
does have somewhat of a cabin, and it can accommodate five adults in the
cockpit. There is a new Poker Run edition that is being considered, that
will feature three additional bucket seats in lieu of the rear bench.
Personally, I think a cabin is a waste of space for myself. I have never
used one. I gutted my Cigarette's cabin so I could balance the boat to my
tastes, and make it perform the way I wanted it to. But, then again, I am
single, don't have to worry about pleasing the wife, and my kid just loves
to go fast. This is my choice, my preferences, and in no way is meant to
imply that no one should want or actually use a boat with a cabin. As I
mentioned, each buyer has his/her own needs to meet, and any boat that is
purchased has some compromise associated with it. And yes, we will have
great success selling them, as our market is a world wide market, and with
limited production to maintain the high standards of performance and quality
of the product line, all of the available production slots go as fast as
they are announced. I don't think that my previous statement made any
mention of "The boat for all of the masses", and I reiterate >> For the
absolute best bang for your buck, the best speed from available horsepower,
the most intriguing and most highly advanced Offshore hull in the world, you
designs.<< And, I do agree with your choice for your personal boat. I am
not a huge fan of the Fountain line, but I like the model you have, and it
is a very nice all around boat that performs at the top of the heap.
The Mannerfelt designs are exactly the type of "out of the box" designs you
will see in the next decade. Ocke is just way ahead of the rest of the
pack.
Enough said.
tgtackett - webm...@raceoffshore.com
Mike C. wrote in message <82b4e9$3ceq$1...@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com>...
>
>Tim, The "batboats" were already mentioned and they are not a great rough
>water boat, look at the Key West Race. Yes they are COOL looking but as a
>high performance pleasure boat there is absolutly NO ROOM compared to many
>other boats in this length range. Who wants to pleasure boat in a capsule
in
>the summer heat? My wife and I don't! Good luck selling them, I looked at
>them at last years Miami show and though they were very narrow and small
>with no deck, cabin or cockpit room to speak of.
>
>--
>Mike Carter
>Representing Paiste & Aquarian world class percussion
Mike C.
I learned the HA HA HE HE HO HO from the best!!!! If you were a regular you
would know what I mean! That person will remain nameless unless he who
frequents this NG wants to step forward himself. Anyway, yes I out ran a
25/27 what ever it is foot Checkmate out in the Gulf with my 29' Fountain.
But really so what!!!! The Checkmate dealer here even tries to compare
Checkmates with Baja's but when I look inside of the boats on there floor I
do not see quality like I see in the Donzi's sitting next to the Checkmates.
Yes I feel Baja is a better built boat than a Checkmate. I'm talking NEW
1998-2000 Baja's after Brunswick took them over and turned things around!
DUH!!!!!!
As to your answer to if I am Santa Claus, well yes I am to many! Also next
time your in Naples look me up and lets go swell jumping out in the
peaceful Gulf!
--
Mike Carter
JScott <jsc...@worldinter.net> wrote in message You truly are funny. I own
a 251 Checkmate. I have blown away soooo many
> way too heavy Baja's it is'nt even funny. Yes! in rough water, I boat on
the
> Lake of the Ozarks usually on busy weekends(3 to 5 ftrs +) When I visit my
> dad in Naples, I really enjoy boating in the peacefull Gulf. SNIP BLAH
BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH ect,
Tom Wootton
go there and fill out a form for the boat you want to report on. I threw
this together in ten minutes, so if anyone has any other items to include
let me know and I will fix it.
Tom
--
Tom Wootton
776 Panoramic Hwy
Mill Valley, CA 94941
http://www.batboats.com
t...@batboats.com
> From: "Tom Melanson" <win...@ntplx.net>
> Organization: NETPLEX Internet Services - http://www.ntplx.net/
> Newsgroups: rec.boats.racing.power
> Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1999 15:40:13 -0500
> Subject: Re: New to Performance boats Need some questions answered
>
> This sounds like a great idea. I hope we get some contributors. I've only
> owned one performance boat, '88 36 Fountain Fever (now the '38). So much
> time and changes since then that anything I could write (and boy, could I)
> about that boat would be out of date. I currently have a '38 Cigarette Top
> Gun, but won't have it in the water 'til May so can't say anything
> meaningful about it 'til later. Could say why I bought the boat, but don't
> know if that would really count.
> In any event, really interested in pros and cons on cats vs vees in open
> ocean. I too have the impression that unless you are a talented racer, cats
> can easily hook a sponson and get you in deep s_it in a hurry if you are not
> really careful. But that might just be the buzz and not the truth. I'm all
> ears.
>
> Tom Wootton wrote in message ...
>> Now that we have thrown around some ideas about a bunch of boats in the
>> 22-32 foot range, how about we all help put together a real comparison? I
>> suggest we list name, size, weight, engine options, speed with each engine
>> in different conditions, handling characteristics, prices, best features,
>> worst features, etc. We could build a chart that would help anyone in
>> deciding what to do when thinking about buying a boat in the price and size
>> range for offshore performance. We could even include bigger boats too.
>>>> --
>>>> Mike Carter
>>>> Representing Paiste & Aquarian world class percussion
warlock
Ultimate Warlock has no peers. It's Kicking some Butt on both the West and East
Coast. This boat is awesome in both rough and smooth water. Handles well around
the docks and it's pricing is an exceptional value. It has a cockpit that is big
and comfortable and allows the people in the back seat to see out of as
well.(unlike some other boats)
In article <384aef68$0$13...@news.voyager.net>, "tgtackett" says...
>>--
>>Mike Carter
>>Representing Paiste & Aquarian world class percussion
H82LUZ1
Gordo
krypt...@my-deja.com
both 1998 and 99. I also think that this year's Key West results would
have been different if the Warlock met APBA's specs like Team
Kryptonite (F1-61) did. Unfortunately with no technical inspections
nor weight requirements it allows a potato chip with a worked up EFI to
run away with it.
In article <82ff7d$b...@drn.newsguy.com>,
> >Mike C. wrote in message <82b4e9$3ceq$1@newssvr04-
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
Kent
Class.....The
> Ultimate Warlock has no peers. It's Kicking some Butt on both the
West and East
> Coast. This boat is awesome in both rough and smooth water. Handles
well around
> the docks and it's pricing is an exceptional value. It has a cockpit
that is big
> and comfortable and allows the people in the back seat to see out of
as
> well.(unlike some other boats)
>
Now that we've heard the positives about the Warlock, I have a couple
of questions:
1) Are the spinouts and hook options borrowed from another famous
builder? or were these originated by Warlock?
2) Looking down the side of "E-racer", a Factory 1 Warlock, what is the
inward bow on the sides for? Does that assist in areodynamics?
Kent
--
http://www.geocities.com/perrouxkm
Raptorhp500
>Ultimate Warlock has no peers.
It is easy to dominate a class when you cheat. You were seen filling the boat
with cam 2 in Key West and when the motors were torn down in St. Pete, there
was nothing stock in them.
funhome
warlock wrote in message <82ff7d$b...@drn.newsguy.com>...
>All you have to do is look at what is dominating the Factory 1
Class.....The
>Ultimate Warlock has no peers. It's Kicking some Butt on both the West and
East
>Coast. This boat is awesome in both rough and smooth water. Handles well
around
>the docks and it's pricing is an exceptional value. It has a cockpit that
is big
>and comfortable and allows the people in the back seat to see out of as
>well.(unlike some other boats)
>
Who are you? Were you one of the guy's at St.Pete?
There are a couple of rules here on the newsgroup! First and foremost
you must state your actual name, without it your Posts hold no
creditability!! You can use a nickname but let your real name be know!
As far as your statement on warlock boats - your right they have been
Kicking A$$ lately. I never really gave them a second look until the last
couple of years, but now they have raised a few eyebrows
Their set up and showing at the Worlds was awesome!!
Brad Harrington,
Funeral Director and Embalmer from Bonner Springs, Kansas
and the Throttleman for F1-51 "One Vision"
A.K.A. Brad at the FunHome
RM27twin
>YES, they do fly! Those wings work!
That must be why they are not allowed in A-class or F-class
Mike C.
When did Ultimate Warlock cheat? Warlocks motor was torn down in St.Pete and
found non-stock? Which Warlock boat are you talking about? Are you sure
about this?
Like "Gordo" said in another post to be taken "for real" on this NG you must
post your real name otherwise you are just starting trouble and a lier!
--
Mike Carter
Raptorhp500 <rapto...@aol.com> wrote in message
RM27twin
>have been different if the Warlock met APBA's specs like Team
>Kryptonite (F1-61) did. Unfortunately with no technical inspections
>nor weight requirements it allows a potato chip with a worked up EFI to
>run away with it.
Those are some pretty strong acusations. Do you have any proof?
Maybe you should have protested the boat.
Rich.
Laser
>What about the Kryptonite? They have done their share of dominating in
>both 1998 and 99. I also think that this year's Key West results would
>have been different if the Warlock met APBA's specs like Team
>Kryptonite (F1-61) did. Unfortunately with no technical inspections
>nor weight requirements it allows a potato chip with a worked up EFI to
>run away with it.
Actually the yellow warlock is over 4500 lbs. Which is what it should
weigh in sbi. Next year in APBA 500 EFI's are rumored to have to carry
a extra 250 lbs for F1. The Warlock was throttled by Lance Henrickson
he is tough.
If you want a fair fight why go SBI ?
Steve
tgtackett
technology is not allowed in "A" or in Factory, or even in "B" for that
matter. No one is arguing that point at all. Ocke did not design these
hulls to go after a particular class, or with any intention of entering a
specific APBA class. So I really don't understand your point. When the
Rain X boat and one of Fabio Buzzi's boats got into the West Coast races,
they ran away with smaller motors. They were then moved to an AX class.
That was the boat owners and Officials that created that scenario. I
wouldn't care what kind of boat I had, if it is the only one competing in a
class, it ain't no fun just running around by yourself. The rules should be
very black and white, and should be interpreted the same anywhere you race.
Obviously there are too many discrepancies in the way they are applied, or
too many interpretations people try to get away with, otherwise so many
people wouldn't be yelling the way they are. Don't get me wrong, I am NOT
pointing any fingers here, I am only reiterating what I see here on the NG,
and what I hear in the pits. The Officials are way to easy to point a
finger at, and they DO NOT get the credit they deserve. I am excited about
the prospect of a one design class. It levels the playing field, I don't
care if you are running 40 mph or 140 mph. The only variable is the crew
and the preparation. Factory class racing is a great step, but when you see
people in manufacturers hulls that are being lapped, sometimes twice in a
single race, somebody most likely made a bad decision in the choice of their
weapon IF THEY WERE BUYING SOLELY TO RACE. If everyone in that category did
their homework, and figured out EXACTLY which manufacturer had THE best hull
for any of the Factory classes, don't you think that all who could afford
said hull would be running it? It would be only logical. And then, you
would be very close to a one design race. Just look at IROC, very
successful, and the drivers don't even know which car they are going to
draw. That would be extreme for Offshore, as the sanctioning body can't
afford to run around 20 hulls that they owned. So, the owners who wish to
compete in the class make their choice to join it, and purchase the single
piece of equipment allowed. It all boils down to choices, and we each make
our own. And yes, I acknowledge that a great many people racing in Factory
have made their equipment choices based on what their family needs are as
well as budget, and a great many other variables. And nobody should ever
knock someone who is out there trying! At least they are out there racing,
and hopefully having a good time. Isn't that what it is all about?
tgtackett - webm...@raceoffshore.com
RM27twin wrote in message <19991206151134...@ng-cs1.aol.com>...
Jerry Hahn
find the rules concerning the timing, (what is it?) just that the distrib.
must remain in original location. Jerry
Laser <LA...@MARLOWE.NET> wrote
> Next year in APBA 500 EFI's are rumored to have to carry
> a extra 250 lbs for F1.
Stated in the 2000 APBA rules
Mike C.
Tim, are you politicking for a bat boat job, relationship, dealership or
something? Just curious.
Anyway, you mentioned that IROC is very successful but IROC is not as
successful as sanctioning bodies with multiple car brands. Why? Fans, like
to get behind a certain brand/product as much as they do a driver. This is
true in boat racing, car racing, all the way to my industry the music
industry were there is heavy brand loyalty. It's human nature. So therefore
I don't think a one brand hull class will be as successful as a multiple
hull class like Factory. Of course then there is Llama racing!
Just all my opinion, of course as a spectator/fan.
--
Mike Carter
Mike C.
Jerry you are correct that the rule book does not state what the timing
should be but it does state that the owner can do certain maintenance on the
engine like changing plugs, oil, etc. and timing and that everything must be
according to the merc. factory manual. The timing for the HP 500 I believe
is 34 degrees. So, 34 degrees is what it's supossed to be set at. I do
remember a few years ago APBA had an unwritten rule that timing could not go
above 36 degrees or they will suspect something.
Laser or H82LUZ can elaborate and correct me if I'm wrong.
Let me know guys......
--
Mike Carter
Representing Paiste & Aquarian world class percussion
Jerry Hahn <> wrote in message I can't
Captain Ted
are in our future. Serial number 10 or whatever should not be expected to
perform as well as serial number 5000 in a more traditional design. They
were out there and it looked like their ride was good. Looked like a lot of
rocking, but you can't be sure.
Was the fellow who should have been hospitalized in a cat or vee? We had a
good ride in the Keys in a 36' Skater but we were about 5 mph off the pace
in Pro Stock which i guess helps. We had friends in a 30' cat that got
banged up pretty well.
Successful non-traditional designs will become traditional designs and help
us all.
Ted Z. P-38
Boatnut840683264
>builder?
Who is this famous builder? I was looking into purchasing a phantom and was
told not to exactly becase of this dangerous problem.
Laser
(Boatnut840683264) wrote:
I do not believe Phantoms are dangerous. The A boats spin from time to
time but they are going very fast and spin flat. The twin engine boats
have flipped twice over 5 years (but that's only when will is in the
boat ! ) sorry Will could not resist that !
Steve
KINGDADDY
>>Are the spinouts and hook options borrowed from another famous
>>builder?
>
>Who is this famous builder? I was looking into purchasing a phantom and was
>told not to exactly becase of this dangerous problem.
The poster said "famous"...not "infamous".
Laser
It did a bad bad thing
Laser
<jerry...@email.msn.com> wrote:
>Why do the Factory 1 have a 250# and the F2 have 400# and not 500#. I can't
>find the rules concerning the timing, (what is it?) just that the distrib.
>must remain in original location. Jerry
same as twin 30' = 7000lbs single 24 4000lbs Mercury picked the
numbers EFI'S are strong.
The engines must be as shipped timing is +- 34 degrees checked at 3400
rpm
>
>Laser <LA...@MARLOWE.NET> wrote
>> Next year in APBA 500 EFI's are rumored to have to carry
>> a extra 250 lbs for F1.
>
>Stated in the 2000 APBA rules
>True
H82LUZ1
So true. I'm sure you all heard about the "antics" that happened in the F2
class at the SBI/Key West race. What a joke. I talked with a couple of the
teams involved in the "attempted" protest. What a farce. But, what did these
teams expect when they went to an SBI race?
I personaly was glad to see APBA stopped any accusations before they
had time to start by hiring a couple of professional technicial inspectors
dedicated to the Factory classes. These guys were tough, but they knew their
shit. This was the best thing that could have happened to us. We may be the
only team at the worlds that ran a true, "out of the box" motor/drive package.
With 7 races on it, no less! The strict rules, and close tech inspections
make for better racing and less finger pointing. The best part is, APBA
didn't hire these "inspectors" in response to the Key West "cluster f&%#k".
These inspectors were hired long before Key West even happened. THAT shows me
that APBA truly has the racers best interest in mind. Keep EVERYBODY honest,
reguardless of what your name is, or how much money you may have.
Besides, after seeing a couple of SBI and US Offshore races, I wouldn't
want anybody else but the STARS team covering my back at a world class event.
(oh, sorry, only APBA has world class events).
Gordo
Kent
boatnut8...@aol.com (Boatnut840683264) wrote:
> >Are the spinouts and hook options borrowed from another famous
> >builder?
>
> Who is this famous builder? I was looking into purchasing a phantom
and was
> told not to exactly becase of this dangerous problem.
>
I would buy a Phantom for racing before most of the other boats
included in a previous post. They are well built, fast, and with very
high limits. Prices are comparative to the "other" boats.
Kent
--
http://www.geocities.com/perrouxkm
RM27twin
>Date: Mon, 06 December 1999 09:06 PM EST
>Message-id:
>Exactly right. In the rules, it is pretty clear that lifting hull
>technology is not allowed in "A" or in Factory, or even in "B" for that
>matter. No one is arguing that point at all. Ocke did not design these
>hulls to go after a particular class, or with any intention of entering a
>specific APBA class. So I really don't understand your point.
The point is you said the boat could not run A-class or F-class because
everybody was afraid of it and stopped it. I say the rules are clear on wings
and the beam of the boat being within a min.of a couple of inches of the
rubrail ( I don"t have a copy in front of me right now)>should be
>very black and white, and should be interpreted the same anywhere you race.
I think they are, you and Mr. Offshore just write like a bunch of
Philadelphia lawyers and soundlike salesmen. HAHA
P.S. I say let the bother run
Best wishes
Rich.
RM27twin
>time but they are going very fast and spin flat.
>From: LA...@MARLOWE.NET (Laser)
>Date: Mon, 06 December 1999 07:43 PM EST
The A boats or is it a boat. There are plenty of
F-1boats spinning all with ventilated bottoms
Rich
CSpray
experience in other boats of similar size and length. At the 1000 Islands
Poker Run, I had one guy who said he ran next to me for about 5-10 minutes
because he wanted to see the bottom of the hull, "but it never came out of
the water". This was at 60-70 mph in about 3' short to mediium stuff on
the final leg into the wind with occasional rogue wakes . As I said in my
previous post, the trick is to get enough speed under the boat so that the
wings can do their job in carrying the boat over the holes. Sounds a lot
like a cat driver's post (H82LUZ?) I saw somwhere else in this thread. Does
this sound similar to what you get in your cat?
The boat does "rock" somewhat (as opposed to chine walking!), probably
because of its narrow beam. I think the appearance of this rocking seems
exaggerated when viewed from the outside because of the width of the wings.
Inside the boat it doesn't seem bad at all, although I am usually the one
holding on to the wheel ;-). The rocking doesn't seem nearly as pronounced
as the Buzzi boats, however. (Interesting that those boats are "legal" and
no one seems to be too bothered...)
Captain Ted wrote in message <82goj2$nbo$1...@Usenet.Logical.NET>...
>I couldn't agree with you more that Mannerfelt and other innovative designs
>are in our future. Serial number 10 or whatever should not be expected to
>perform as well as serial number 5000 in a more traditional design. They
>were out there and it looked like their ride was good. Looked like a lot
of
>rocking, but you can't be sure.
>
>Ted Z. P-38
Mike C.
The only F-1 Offshore boats that spun this year that I'm aware of is the 29
Fountain Stressed out and the 27 (or is it29) Warlock Hollis Motorsports.
Not really alot! All the Factory boats were vent bottoms except for the 2
Corsa's, 1 Progression, 1 Active Thunder and 1 Checkmate. That's only 5 out
of around 15 I believe.
--
Mike Carter
Representing Paiste & Aquarian world class percussion
RM27twin <rm27...@aol.com> wrote in message There are plenty of
H82LUZ1
I don't own a cat. I used to have a dog, but I lost her in the divorce. (I
miss that dog).
Gordo (picking lottery numbers)
william smith
but so far no one has flipped a 30' phantom. your right they do spin
from time to time but they also are the fastest, with the kilo record
over 100 mph there is little debate on how much control area is still
left in the water. the drive system makes a big difference in the spin,
and this includes the driver...,bravo's handle much more controllable
than the heavy duty speedmaster as a single and we could go into prop
selection and rotation, all of this contributes to the boat going
around, but considering all the competitors and conditions i am very
pleased with handling.., please check www.phantomboats.com....will
RM27twin wrote:
>
> >The A boats spin from time to
> >time but they are going very fast and spin flat.
>
> >From: LA...@MARLOWE.NET (Laser)
> >Date: Mon, 06 December 1999 07:43 PM EST
>
> The A boats or is it a boat. There are plenty of
> F-1boats spinning all with ventilated bottoms
> Rich
Rvluhrs
Personally, I consider the breast more tender than the drumstick...... However,
is it true that the only two rollovers of Phantoms occurred with you onboard?
Maybe you should delete yourself from the "options" list on your
boats........:-)
-The "real" Rich
Boatnut840683264
>> >builder?
>Who is this famous builder? I was looking into purchasing a phantom
>and was
>> told not to exactly becase of this dangerous problem.
>I would buy a Phantom for racing
Thanks for the info but it was not a racing boat that I was looking at to
buyand the point is moot now thanks to the Mrs. My wife wants a boat with a
larger cockpit and much easier cabin access for poker runs with our friends
aboard and a head and headroom for overningtnig. Any other suggestions in this
price range would be great. You guys seem to know what you are talking about.
Mike C.
Hey Will, I tried to email you a few days ago but it got returned. Great to
see you found the newgroup. Welcome!
Llamafeeder
>
>price range would be great. You guys seem to know what you are talking about.
Hang around a couple of days....you'll change your mind....
just kidding. Good luck with your search.
LF
Captain Ted
:--)
Oh well, you're in good company with boaters! She good mad when my
priorities started with a list of boats!
Ted Z.
C_Spray
H82LUZ1 wrote in message
> I don't own a cat. I used to have a dog, but I lost her in the divorce.
(I miss that dog).
>
> Gordo (picking lottery numbers)
Sorry to hear that. I got to keep both my cats in my divorce. Problem was
they loved to chase each other around the house at 3:00 am, so I had to get
rid of them. Got tired of repairing all the prop marks on the counters and
floors.....:-)
But we digress even further from the original thread....
What's the world record for entries in a discussion thread? Is it in the
APBA record book?
tgtackett
RM27twin wrote in message <19991207083138...@ng-fm1.aol.com>...
>>From: "tgtackett" webm...@raceoffshore.com
Mr. Rich.
Now you sound like a Philly lawyer or worse, a political spin doctor. You
are taking my words completely out of context. First off, NO WHERE have I
ever made the statement you claim I did.
>The point is you said the boat could not run A-class or F-class because
>everybody was afraid of it and stopped it.<
If you can produce evidence of such (which you cannot), I will send you a
fifth of your favorite Holiday Spirit in time for Christmas. My only
comment was to say that the former Rain X Express, yes the one that was
moved to AX class, seemed to perform well in "Offshore" conditions. Note, I
said "Offshore" conditions, no where did the term "RACING" enter that
statement. Second, the rules interpretations that I was eluding to were
those that a lot of people at the worlds were complaining about. Such as
boats that weren't really from a "production mold", Crews that were allowed
to run that had not competed before, when others in the same situation were
denied the opportunity, and it went on and on and on. Were you there? Were
you racing or have you ever? Just who are you? As mentioned in previous
posts by other respected individuals on this NG, to have credence here you
must be at least willing to post your own name. And I will state right here
and now, as I have before, that the rules are specific in that air lifting
designs are NOT allowed, and that means the Mannerfelt designs CANNOT
compete in the current classes. I made that similar statement in the same
post you were busy cutting my words out of. You even posted it in your own
message. If the rules state it, then it should be abided by. I work with
many of the officials at many of the APBA Offshore races, and I have gained
their respect and trust because they know that I am honest, that I do what I
say, and say what I do. And, I do have the rule book in front of me, they
are always in my briefcase when at work, at home, or when I am racing. I
know what that book says, it is just a shame that other people do not take
the time to read them for what they are intended for.
And what was this supposed to mean?
>P.S. I say let the bother run<
I can't interpret your typing.
tgtackett - webm...@raceoffshore.com
warlock
who's not. But usually when your on top no matter what boat is winning there are
a few that try to justify success in a negative way. Unless you have proof all
it is is hearsay. As for the boats that have a tendency to hook or spin out I
believe the driving habits have as much or more to do with it than the boat.
Al Barbagelata
A&T Performance Marine
Elk Grove Ca.
In article <82gtmc$ffp$1...@holly.prod.itd.earthlink.net>, "funhome" says...
>
>
>warlock wrote in message <82ff7d$b...@drn.newsguy.com>...
>>All you have to do is look at what is dominating the Factory 1
>Class.....The
>>Ultimate Warlock has no peers. It's Kicking some Butt on both the West and
>East
>>Coast. This boat is awesome in both rough and smooth water. Handles well
>around
>>the docks and it's pricing is an exceptional value. It has a cockpit that
>is big
>>and comfortable and allows the people in the back seat to see out of as
>>well.(unlike some other boats)
>>
>Mr. Warlock
> Who are you? Were you one of the guy's at St.Pete?
>
> There are a couple of rules here on the newsgroup! First and foremost
>you must state your actual name, without it your Posts hold no
>creditability!! You can use a nickname but let your real name be know!
>
> As far as your statement on warlock boats - your right they have been
>Kicking A$$ lately. I never really gave them a second look until the last
>couple of years, but now they have raised a few eyebrows
>
>Their set up and showing at the Worlds was awesome!!
>
>Brad Harrington,
>Funeral Director and Embalmer from Bonner Springs, Kansas
>and the Throttleman for F1-51 "One Vision"
>A.K.A. Brad at the FunHome
>
>
>
>
>
>
H82LUZ1
>Someone actually divorced a future poster child!!?? And took the dog!!!???
>:--)
>
<laughing my ass off..>
Laser
Actually I think the B-28 or buzzi inflatable would no longer dominate
A class. I had the opportunity to sit and talk with Mark & Paul N. at
St Pete. These two are really a great team and would probably be
friends if they were not already father and Son,anyway back to my
point.
As a long term Buzzi fan I asked some questions about the inflatable.
Mark loved the boat but said the current Buzzi A boat was better. He
also said the 470 ci A class rules of that time allowed them 840 HP !
Today's A class engines are just under 800 HP ( I am told have not
dynoed one) So I have come to the extremely speculative conclusion
that with the lower HP and improved A class fleet (back then Phantoms
were new Extremes did not exist) that the two Ax boats now have been
caught or surpassed by the cream of the A class fleet.
Before you think I am crazy watch In Mocean race against the Buzzi
boat . I feel it is safe to assume both teams have about all the HP
the rules afford and the boats are very close. (I still like the
Buzzi). So if the existing Buzzi boat is better than the AX boat one
must assume the A fleet has improved greatly from 1995. Also in a few
events the old Rain X boat has run B class and the lap times were not
at the top of the A pack. I think the Bat boat design is awesome and
safe (except from hard landings in the Rain X boat several back
injuries). The world has caught up but I am sure Fabio and Ocke have a
few drawings laying around.
I am sure this will draw flames so i am wearing my Simpson fire suit
and Nomex booties !
STEVE
tgtackett
No flames here, "A" boats continue to improve daily. I think it would be
awesome to see a shootout of sorts of all the designs together. Each has
it's own attributes and quirks. There was a Buzzi boat that ran up here for
about two years, that just never seemed to get dialed in. Don't know the
reason, but it never seemed to come up to potential or what the owners or to
what it's competitors expected. Some had said it was due to the design
being more for Ocean conditions and not the monster chop we get here on the
Great Lakes? I don't know if it was the same as the Nemschoff Team's
current entry or not.
tgtackett - webm...@raceoffshore.com
Laser
I believe the boat by you is a Fountain built Buzzi design none of
them run like Nemschoff boat !
With C class coming around there may come a time where a is
experimental class of sorts.
RM27twin
with an E mail I got on the subject. Looks like I owe you a bottle.I am Richard
Murray [Rich] with team Progession and yes I have raced and did not think I
had to post my full name every time.Altough I have In the past.
>>P.S. I say let the bother run
Offshore botherhood get it? Or you just don"t agree.
you still write like a lawyer not that it"s a bad thing. But then I"m no
doctor.
Best Regards
RICH.
tgtackett
wants to race, as long as it is in accordance with the rules. I think we
both agree on that. I bet I met you at the world's if you were there, I was
running around taking pictures for RaceOffshore.com (how do you put a period
after that when ending a sentence?). No bottle needed, now I think we are
on the same page which is good enough for me. No need to post the name, I
think we all will know RM27twin. Welcome, glad to converse with you.
tgtackett - webm...@raceoffshore.com
ART DINICOLANTONIO
any V bottom of equivalent length and motor and will be less expensive. Call
Art at 281-534-1904
I am considering the Baja 25 Outlaw or the Powerquest 26 Legend. Can
>someone
>> point me in the right direction with some good advice
>> Thanks
>
>
guy
Guy
ART DINICOLANTONIO <ADI...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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Max450hp
from me has one road in it once got real wet.
RM27twin
in KeyWest but don"t tell anybody) I saw The pics. some Nice shots. I have your
site in favoites.I think it is a top shelf site.Checked it every day during the
worlds in St.pete. for up to the minute action.
Best Regards
Rich
Timothy Little
boat. The Checkmate would be a good choice with some good power behind it.
As far as Baja goes I wouldn't even consider buying one unless they're
giving them away free now.
RC <robor...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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> here are some real comparisons
>
>
> my 97 27 powerquest runs right with all of the other
> 27 or so ft lake boats with eq power handles big waves fine
> runs 65 mph w 454 mag and has way more room than others
> in cabin and cockpit
>
> i raced a 27 scarab and a 27 advantage for 4 miles and we were all within
3
> boat lengths
> the whole time
>
> list of buddies boats
>
> 96 27 fever 502 mpi gills 67mph stepp hull
> 96 24 stryker 502 mpi race bravo w/ extension box 70 mph (25'5
actually)
> 96 260 baha 7.4 mpi 55 mph
> 92 formula 272 twin 454 mag 62 mph (29' boat actually)
>
> when a 4' wave comes up they let off i dont except the formula
>
> after 130 hard hours my boat has no cracks or rattles
>
> p.s. i dont think that this guy wants a top fuel hydro going 240 mph just
a
> lake boat
>
> robert.
>
>