Chrysler Racing Outboard
David Kain
please let me know... Also I am looking for Chrysler Marine memorbilia.. 1
piece or a bunch let me know...
Dave
Ron Hill
Al Stoker's Shop).
Them 115 had "Racing " rings too!!!
Rvluhrs wrote:
> >I'm looking for a racing 135 or 150 Chrysler if you have or know of one
> >please let me know..
>
> Oh you poor thing.........These (Ahem!)....engines were notable for one thing
> only....They were faster in the carton stacked in a warehouse....... then
> unpacked and bolted on boats. There can't be many around as they all arrived
> out of order...and most were converted to mooring buoys....after testing.
> When you think of engineering ...........Who thinks of West Bend?
>
> Rich
Rvluhrs
Mark75H
>...SNIP.....
>When you think of engineering ...........Who thinks of West Bend?
Rich,
I don't think of West Bend either. I think of Long Beach, site 6,
Bob Kies and Jack Oxley.
If you look up your history you'll find a pair of those mooring bouys
on Gary Ferguson's Carlson laydown capsule "Twister" held the drag
record for a while and Jack Oxley's Jones "Dragonfly" did too. If they
were indeed faster in the warehouse it would have to be a warehouse in
a Boeing 727.
Sam
Ron Hill
"On the water" by E. and R.S. Radlauer
Page 15 Says ,"Chrysler"...Ferguson works for Advantage Boats, Lake
Havasu!!!
Rvluhrs
>on Gary Ferguson's Carlson laydown capsule "Twister" held the drag
>record for a while
PULEEEZE!.... Not only did the motors stink but the Carlson hull had to be the
single most overated hull in history. Granted...if you put enough nitromethane
in an Evinrude 51/2 you could break some obtuse CALIFORNIA drag record,,,but
put those motors on a tunnel boat and the real deal cleaned their clock. The
boat isn't even worth commenting about.
Bottom line neither the hull (Carlson) or the motors (Chrysler) ever beat
ANYTHING straight up (same fuel/same course). A one-off dragster maybe...but
Gary Ferguson should bow down and thank the boat racing god's that neither Carl
Kiekhaefer, Gary Garbrecht, Jack Leek, or Charlie Strang ever even cast a
glance at his so called "record". For that matter my one various drives in
George Linder's twin Merc Carlson made me bow down and thank the boat racing
gods that I didn't have anything to do with the damn thing.
Metal Flake anyone?
Rich
helmet guru
>
i paint with alot of metal flake, OLD SCHOOL BABY..
Rvluhrs
>
Yeah, but it's the fumes from the Imron that caused the problem.......
helmet guru
>
do they even make IMRON anymore?? my dad used to paint his tunnels in the early
80's with that crispy stuff...all you get toda is VOC approved ENAMELS!! even
laquer jobs are tough to come by..
FLAKE even comes in POLYFLAKE now, little plastic flakes instead of metal,
what's the world coming to!!
BB
Rvluhrs
>what's the world coming to!!
It's just a plastic, flaky world I guess !!!!!!
helmet guru
>>what's the world coming to!!
>
>It's just a plastic, flaky world I guess !!!!!!
>
guess so, I even like POLY TITS...
Unca Rik
ANYTHING straight up (same fuel/same course). >>
Oh my! I'm sure RJ (JJ's dad) is tyurning about 10K RPM in his grave just now!
JJ...Wanna respond to this one?
(name withheld because I know better!)
HydroC139
><< Bottom line neither the hull (Carlson) or the motors (Chrysler) ever beat
>ANYTHING straight up (same fuel/same course). >>
>
>
I beg to differ here, sport. I have a stack of trophies from my dad's CT-15
from the early 70's that says different.
JJ
David Kain
I am looking for this as more of a collection thing, i have NO intention of
racing it.
And as far as attacking the others because they don't see eye to eye with
you well thats plain rude. It is one thing to sit here and debate a issue,
and prove a point but to slam someone for their thoughts ....well I think
you get my drift... I hope you have a better day, I mean I get crap from the
chevy guys who don't like Mopar musclecars but, while I chose to drive a
Chrysler Product I can still appreciate the fords and chevy's too. It's just
a matter of not being narrow minded.
Take care!!!
Dave
Rvluhrs <rvl...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20000102212434...@ng-bg1.aol.com...
> >beg to differ here, sport. I have a stack of trophies from my dad's CT-15
> >from the early 70's that says different.
>
> Okay..... Let's see. The trophys are for (a)marathon racing
against....?(b)
> Circle racing against......? (c)Flying kilometer record runs...?
> or...........(d)DRAG RACING?
>
> If (d) drag racing...... Was there a contending (factory backed) hull and
motor
> combination from another manufacturer? For that matter, were there any
other
> contenders of ANY kind in the class? Bottom line, Carlson originally sold
the
> boat as a "challenger" (sorry for the play on words ....inside joke) to
cats,
> wings and ,later, tunnel hulls. He also claimed the boat banked in turns
(it
> did not). Finally, in desperation I guess, the smaller, single engine
version
> was raced in drag events with, if memory serves, twin Chryslers. This
allowed
> the boat to avoid turning, rough conditions, and serious, factory
competition.
> None of which could it cope with....Even Glastron (Carlson's "Patrone")
> publicly admitted the lack of performance in the hulls when Bob Hammond
signed
> the contract with Angelo Molinari to market his race designs in the U.S.
>
> Likewise, the Chrysler Outboard engines had no luck on the major marathon
> circuit race courses against Mercury or OMC...using gasoline....so....if
at
> first you don't succeed .......hide out in a small pond....Drag
> racing...Outboard..... methanol. (Drag racing inboard was, admittedly, a
strong
> arena for Chrysler.....but they didn't use Carlsons did they?.......)
>
> JJ I'm sure your dad would have taken on all comers....but...most of the
real
> outboard "comers" were racing factory tunnels in the early 70's....
>
> Rich ("Sport")
>
> PS. Wasn't there a "stretch" Carlson with two freight trained inboards
back in
> '65...?
> I wonder what happened to that stroke of genius.......
Ron Hill
We had power trim in 1962 made from car jacks... We on the West Coast were racing
against Twin Ford Cobra's, Allison's, 7 liter hydros (The Parker 9 Hour didn't have
any rules). The Salton 500 only had a hand full of outboards but 110 flat bottoms.
When you start saying what trash we had, in 1966 Dutch Blazer and Don Harper won
Havasu with a triple engine Mercury (128 boats).... My old man balanced and
assembled those motors. Jim Klinkebeard ran a 17 Glastron with triple Mercs...
Hydraulic power trim.. They ran a boat with 5 Mc Cullough Outboards...
Why di mc Cullough pull out of the outboard business??? His wife was Jim Briggs of
OMC... Ralph Evinrude was the single largest stock holder in the McCullough Land
corp....
For the era, Carlson was an innovator.... No one cared at Chrysler like Charlie and
Carl did. Charlie needed to be Carl. And Carl needed to beat Charlie. The 105
Chrysler really wasn't any worse than the early OMC's that I ran. Basically, all
the gear cases were single pinion "PEP" Hubbell copies (West Coast boy...helped by
my dad). Jack Oxley, when he ran McCullough's racing team, had a very successful
record against anyone who had the balls to come west.... which weren't many in the
early '60's....
Stockton to Collusa (1,000 miles Diamond Cup) Western Outboard was OPC in the
early '60's APBA never heard of OPC until 1964 when old man McCullough put on the
Outboard World Championships . In 1966, As Region 12 Chairman, my brother got
Havasu to become a UIM Outboard World Championships....
O PEE C wasn't a Division of APBA yet
Heads up at the drags, Freggie as Gary Ferguson was called, consistently smoked the
twin Quincy-Mercs (Twin 1000's) on Ron Jones hydros.
In closing, I'll say it was different out here. Talking to Ted Jones over the
years, I was able to see your coast from different eyes. Inboards ruled our lakes
here. More power. More chrome. More money. Individuals. Mercury and OMC were
corporate. Chrysler went like Hot Water Scotts (Scott-Atwaters)...history. Had
Roger Penske bought Chrysler Outboards who knows???
Had the two outboard corps not jumped in with both feet, outboard racing may have
had steady growth.... which would have been much better, maybe, in the long run!!!
Rvluhrs
helmet guru
>publicly admitted the lack of performance in the hulls when Bob Hammond
>signed
>the contract with Angelo Molinari to market his race designs in the U.S
i know where there is an old Havasu Era Glastron Molinari that was a dual
converted to an inboard..it now sits in a boat yard as a planter...I'd love to
restore it..
BB
Unca Rik
real
outboard "comers" were racing factory tunnels in the early 70's.... >>
Sport:
Roger Johnson did, in fact, take on all who would push off the trailer when he
was running Carlsons. He did so in BOTH Marathons and Circle Races. He was
known to whoop people like Dick Sheerer, Doug Westbrook, Chuck Rear and the
like. Of course they would sometimes whoop him but not with any more frequency
than he whooped them.
This, of course, was back when Havasu and Parker (the real ones) would start in
the neighborhood of 150 contenders.
In order to know such things one would have to recognize that boat racing does
exist west of the Rockies though few seem to acknowledge that fact.
Now RJ at the time was running Mercury and not Chrysler and you seem to be
obsessed with this combination. You also seem to be quite upset that somebody
ran this combination in a drag racing class where there was no
competition...and then capitalized on the record set. This being the case I
don't think you should make generalizations regarding the rest of boat racing.
RW
Ziemerunit
>Circle racing against......? (c)Flying kilometer record runs...?
>or...........(d)DRAG RACING?
>
Circle racing against people like Dick Scherrer, Chuck Rear, ........
Yes he got beat also, and maybe the bot was not the best thing ever built, but
it is very close-minded to say that they could not win.
I will agree though, that they had to be the first boat at the first turn to
have a chance.
JJ
Rvluhrs
>in
>the neighborhood of 150 contenders.
Does this mean that a Carlson won Parker or Havasu?
>In order to know such things one would have to recognize that boat racing
>does
>exist west of the Rockies though few seem to acknowledge that fact.
>
See Parker and Havasu above....or did a Carlson beat Bob Nordskog?
>Now RJ at the time was running Mercury and not Chrysler and you seem to be
>obsessed with this combination.
See title of THIS THREAD !!!!!!!
!>You also seem to be quite upset that somebody
>ran this combination in a drag racing class where there was no
>competition..
Frankly I could care less...just don't glorify it.
>This being the case I
>don't think you should make generalizations regarding the rest of boat
>racing.
The "rest of boat racing includes Pro, Inboard, Offshore, Prop, UIM Formula
One,
Unlimiteds, ETC..... and was not mentioned by me. All I did was call a spade a
..... Chrysler. By the way how come OMC and Mercury guys can quip back and
forth without resentment but say one thing about the West Bend/Chrysler/
Force...... and all H#&^% breaks loose?
Rich ( The Forward Looking, push button transmissioned, hemi headed ogre)
PS I Love the Prowler.
Unca Rik
I see from the way you had to posdt last time that your computer still doesn't
like you.
Sport:
Had you mentioned that you were ONLY concerned with the Carlson-Chrysler
combination I would have never replied. However, you said something about
NEITHER Chrysler NOR Carlson having been able to compete in anything but a
bogus, contrived class and evidently that only in drag racing. The fact of the
matter is that, at least Carlson did compete and did it quite well at the time
(albeit not with a Chrysler clamped to the transom).
And yes, we do recognize that PRO, MOD, Stock, OPC, Offshore, Inflatable,
Inboard and Unlimited do exist.
RW
Rvluhrs
>Inboard and Unlimited do exist.
Well good for you!!
Rich