Old Town Tripper Comments Please
Bud
in catalogs and by dealers. However, I am curious. In addition to
what it is supposed to do (be a tandem wilderness tripper), can it be
paddled well solo? I would be especially interested in paddlers'
experiences/comments regarding soloing the Tripper over distances of
10-20 miles.
Thanks in advance,
Bud
b...@netside.com
Tim Hewitt
loaded, so as a solo boat it will pose a few problems for the paddler.
A light load will mean much of the ends are out of the water, affecting
tracking. The canoe is high sided, so paddling from the seats will work
best, and paddling from a kneeling position will require you to sit in
the turn of the bilge in order to comfortably reach the water. Solo
paddling from say the forward seat facing backwards will work only with
the load well forward to keep the boat trimmed.
I routinely paddle 17 and 18 foot boats solo, but my 20 footer is a bit
long to handle comfortably. 10-15 miles would be a long day in any wind
or waves, but you would certainly have plenty of room for gear :).
I find the Tripper a fine boat for, well tripping. It's not the fastest
in the world, but it's not a bad boat.
-Tim
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Rich Scarlet
We've had the 17 foot Tripper for years. I recommend it highly for a
"tandem wilderness tripper." It's big, extremely rugged, and handles well
for it's size.
It's easy to paddle solo - with some important reservations. If it's
loaded with gear it will work well, but if it's only lightly loaded it can
give difficulty because of it's high freeboard. In fact in a strong wind
it can be a bit tough to keep it aimed properly without a bow paddler.
And, again because of the high sides, it's more comfortable to paddle from
the seats than kneeling on the bottom.
By the way, I have an old one for sale if you're interested.
Rich Scarlet rsca...@world.std.com
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Gary J. Mac Donald
Bud (b...@netside.com) writes:
> I am considering purchasing a Tripper because of the way it is billed
> in catalogs and by dealers. However, I am curious. In addition to
> what it is supposed to do (be a tandem wilderness tripper), can it be
> paddled well solo? I would be especially interested in paddlers'
> experiences/comments regarding soloing the Tripper over distances of
> 10-20 miles.
I have soloed mine a bit, usually when parking it somewhere. Once out
toying around on a lake in a light wind. No problem with it heeled up to
the side as I knelt at the side. That was a lot of sail area though.
One point to consider: how big are you? I am 6'2" and have just enough
arm length to solo it (not that I would doit for a trip) and the only
other two guys I know of who have soloed them are the same size or bigger.
And one of them gave it up because he was tired of soloing the barge.
It is a great canoe, but if you need ww capability and solo vcapability
look for something a bit smaller. Consider a Swift Dumoine which is about
16'4" and narrower than the Tripper. Is frequently fitted with a kneeling
thwart for tandem/solo use. Available in ABS (Or kevlar layups) and is a
good tripping boat.
Tripper is a great all-round canoe for travelling, but big for solo work.
GaryJ
GrEp
bottom which oilcans badly when empty. The canoe is quite slow, even
when properly compared to other ABS wilderness expedition type canoes
(Mad River Explorer e.g.).
The Tripper enjoys fanatical loyalty from people who the boat has taken
way way backcountry and not let down...better boats won't either.
If you are not planning expeditions (real expeditions...not just canoe
trips) the Tripper is a poor choice, as it will not reward weekend
paddles or week long trips in friendly waters.
You can propel the Tripper solo, but you cannot "paddle" it in the more
eclectic artistic interpretation of the word.
I must respectfully disagree with the learned Dr. Hewitt...the Tripper is
a "bad canoe".
Brad Snow
a serviceable boat, and a fine craft. It's available everywhere,
everyone knows it's name, many say it's the best all-round canoe, and it
is relatively tough. If you are comfortable with boxed wine, the tripper will
please you in every way.
BUT, if you can drink boxed wine when it's served, or even buy it
occasionally for large groups of non-discriminating friends, but are
cognizant of the wide array of more subtile, finer and more rewarding wines
available to someone willing to spend the time and effort to search them out,
you will want one of the many more finely designed, easier to paddle, more
sea-worthy, better packing, LIGHTER, and a better all-round canoes, you
wouldn't buy a Tripper.
This isn't snobbery, but, aside from the pleasure of handling and
owning a fine canoe, it is practicality. A simple matter of conservation
of energy. With a well-designed hull, the energy needed to push it
through the water is less. Multiplied by miles of stroke after stroke,
speed, distance, stamina, and mood are all affected. Weight also becomes
an important factor. Loading and unloading from your car, portaging, and
paddling are all affected by a boat's weight.
There are so many canoes avaible that are better than the Tripper for any
of the tasks you will ask a canoe to do, that you owe it to yourself to
find out about them. Whether you then decide on Royalex, fibreglass,
Kevlar, plastic, or aluminum, a Dagger, Mohawk, We-No-Na, Sawyer, Mad
River, or used Chestnut, you'll be aware of just what a Tripper is: the
product of a highly successful marketing stragety of a new (then)
material bent into a canoe-like shape by the second-largest canoe maker
on the contenient. {The first at that time (1972) was Grumman}
If you are still set on getting a Tripper, buy an old beater. They are
exactly like the new ones, but cheaper. After a few years of slogging
along and being passed by every other canoe on the river (except the
Discovery; they are even heavier and with the same hull distortion
problems as the Tripper), you'll have had the opportunity to try some
fine boats and know what will best suit your paddling needs.
Brad Snow
Carey Robson
a bunch of uninformed horsepuckey!
>The Tripper is a severely dated design, featuring a substantially flat
>bottom which oilcans badly when empty.
It's made for wilderness tripping. The bottom (mine is an old flat one -- the
newer ones have a very slight v) is not a factor when loaded. It does however
allow for agressive eddy turns on wilderness rivers.
The canoe is quite slow, even when properly compared to other ABS wilderness
expedition type canoes (Mad River Explorer e.g.).
More misinformation. My experience on several wilderness expeditions is that
the 17-3 tripper was inherently faster than 16' Mad River Explorers -- even
when the Explorers were paddled by younger and stronger paddlers.
>The Tripper enjoys fanatical loyalty from people who the boat has taken
>way way backcountry and not let down...better boats won't either.
>If you are not planning expeditions (real expeditions...not just canoe
>trips) the Tripper is a poor choice, as it will not reward weekend
>paddles or week long trips in friendly waters.
Aside from the editorializing the above is just plain misinformation. The
Tripper is a superb wilderness river canoe. It is not a day boat and there are
better lake boats. Mine has taken me on:
Green River , Utah; 120 miles
Athabaska River, Alberta; 180 miles
Bonnett Plume/Peel Rivers, Yukon/NWT 350 miles
Nahanni River, NWT; 335 Milesl
Coppermine River, NWT; 415 miles.
I done't take it on lakes. I haven't solo paddled it sinse 1983. I do
wilderness rivers with it.
Carey....@DeepCove.com
President - Recreational Canoeing Association of British Columbia
Master Instructor
Tim Hewitt
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>
>I must respectfully disagree with the learned Dr. Hewitt...the Tripper is
>a "bad canoe".
>
I would be disappointed if you took any other position on this canoe ;).
-Tim, just call me 'Doc'
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Shawn Burke
GrEp <seb...@astro.as.utexas.edu> writes:
> The Tripper is a severely dated design
While I will agree that the design is dated, that does not make it bad.
The Chestnut Prospector and E.M. White Guide canoes are dated designs,
too, and I think they're pretty great! The Tripper is versatile,
durable, and a solid boat for the money.
> featuring a substantially flat bottom
One man's flat is another man's shallow arch!
> which oilcans badly when empty. The canoe is quite slow, even
> when properly compared to other ABS wilderness expedition type canoes
> (Mad River Explorer e.g.).
Well, here we go: oilcanning isn't that bad (compare it to a Dagger
Legend -- I thought that hull was made out of Jello!), slightly more so
than for the Explorer's because the MR's slight "V" shape is stiffer a
priori. The Explorer will handle beam seas slightly better, 'cause the
stuff MR puts in its catalogs about the "V" hulls not following waves
is true. However, the Tripper turns better than the Explorer (any
length of Explorer, too). The Tripper isn't substantially slower than
the Explorer; just a bit. Some contend that the Explorer tracks
better: horsepuckey! (Thanks, Carey!) I think compent paddlers can
make any reasonable hull track quite well.
> The Tripper enjoys fanatical loyalty from people who the boat has taken
> way way backcountry and not let down...better boats won't either.
> If you are not planning expeditions (real expeditions...not just canoe
> trips) the Tripper is a poor choice, as it will not reward weekend
> paddles or week long trips in friendly waters.
It hauls a ton of gear, and is stable in harsh conditions. It poles
well. It weighs a ton -- 80 lbs -- and my shoulders ache after every
long portage, even with a wonderful portage pad. It has a lot of
freeboard -- this can be good, or bad! And yes, it has a fanatical
following up here in the Northeast.
> You can propel the Tripper solo, but you cannot "paddle" it in the more
> eclectic artistic interpretation of the word.
When I want to "get somewhere" solo, I take out the Independence and a
carbon fiber bentshaft. That's great fun! Otherwise, paddling in the
"Canadian kneel" position with a big tandem canoe leaned up on its
gunnel, and a pretty beavertail paddle... I can almost smell the
spruce, and hear the loons... now that style of paddling is artistic!
> I must respectfully disagree with the learned Dr. Hewitt...the Tripper is
> a "bad canoe".
I must respectfully disagree with you, Tom: The Tripper is a perfectly
good canoe. Depends on what you want in a boat.
-- seb
(BTW, I think Bud bought the Tripper, used... hee hee hee...)
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Brad Snow (fsb...@aurora.alaska.edu) writes:
(snide comments re Tripper snipped)
> you will want one of the many more finely designed, easier to paddle, more
> sea-worthy, better packing, LIGHTER, and a better all-round canoes, you
> wouldn't buy a Tripper.
You are forgetting that not everyone wants to do the same trips that ypu do.
> This isn't snobbery, but, aside from the pleasure of handling and
> owning a fine canoe, it is practicality. A simple matter of conservation
> of energy. With a well-designed hull, the energy needed to push it
> through the water is less. Multiplied by miles of stroke after stroke,
> speed, distance, stamina, and mood are all affected. Weight also becomes
> an important factor. Loading and unloading from your car, portaging, and
> paddling are all affected by a boat's weight.
Well, let's load your fine craft and my Tripper with the same load, and go
on the same trip. You can race ahead across every lake and still water.
Then the Tripper will catch up when you arepprtaging around every rapid.
Suppose you run a few of them with your boat. Suppose your fine
instrument and the Tripper both get pinned, even briefly, on a rock.
Guess who either walks home or spends a whole day waiting for thepatches
to dry.
> There are so many canoes avaible that are better than the Tripper for any
> of the tasks you will ask a canoe to do, that you owe it to yourself to
> find out about them. Whether you then decide on Royalex, fibreglass,
> Kevlar, plastic, or aluminum, a Dagger, Mohawk, We-No-Na, Sawyer, Mad
> River, or used Chestnut, you'll be aware of just what a Tripper is: the
> product of a highly successful marketing stragety
Everyone I know who has a Tripper calls it a mean beast. And it is. But
it will do a lot of things when others let you down. And it has a place
in a fleet. I know I think it a great complement to my little cedar....
Yes. Different boats for different uses. Just as you have said. But
that doesn't mean that the Tripper doesn't have a place.
> If you are still set on getting a Tripper, buy an old beater. They are
> exactly like the new ones, but cheaper. After a few years of slogging
> along and being passed by every other canoe on the river (except the
> Discovery; they are even heavier and with the same hull distortion
> problems as the Tripper), you'll have had the opportunity to try some
> fine boats and know what will best suit your paddling needs.
Please don't compare the Tripper with the Discovery. The latter is a
lead-lined cottage canoe.
GaryJ
Donald Haines
>Brad Snow (fsb...@aurora.alaska.edu) writes:
>
>(snide comments re Tripper snipped)
>
>
>> you will want one of the many more finely designed, easier to paddle, more
>> sea-worthy, better packing, LIGHTER, and a better all-round canoes, you
>> wouldn't buy a Tripper.
>
>> owning a fine canoe, it is practicality. A simple matter of conservation
>> of energy. With a well-designed hull, the energy needed to push it
>> through the water is less. Multiplied by miles of stroke after stroke,
>> speed, distance, stamina, and mood are all affected. Weight also becomes
>> an important factor. Loading and unloading from your car, portaging, and
>> paddling are all affected by a boat's weight.
>> There are so many canoes avaible that are better than the Tripper for any
>> of the tasks you will ask a canoe to do, that you owe it to yourself to
>> find out about them. Whether you then decide on Royalex, fibreglass,
>> Kevlar, plastic, or aluminum, a Dagger, Mohawk, We-No-Na, Sawyer, Mad
>> River, or used Chestnut, you'll be aware of just what a Tripper is: the
>> product of a highly successful marketing stragety
>> If you are still set on getting a Tripper, buy an old beater. They are
>> exactly like the new ones, but cheaper. After a few years of slogging
>> along and being passed by every other canoe on the river (except the
>> Discovery; they are even heavier and with the same hull distortion
>> problems as the Tripper), you'll have had the opportunity to try some
>> fine boats and know what will best suit your paddling needs.
I hear lots of comments about the latest and greatest designs that someone has just popped out of the latest version of some cad package. Look carefully at the design and the company and ask yourself what the canoe was designed for and then ask yourself what you want it for. If the two match then you will be happy.
There are lots of specialized designs out there for playboating, racing, cruising, and freestyle. There are also a few designs out there that were designed to do some of each, versatile designs that in time have become classics, names like the chestnut prospector, the peterborough, and the old-town tripper. Whatever you can do with one of these designs you can do better with another design...the problem is that you can't bring the dozen different specialized canoes along with you on a trip.
I paddle a chestnut prospector. I can buy faster canoes, tougher canoes, lighter canoes, more manuverable canoes, better solo canoes, better freight canoes etc. etc. I suppose if I had that dozen or so canoes that my prospector wouldn't get out much for day trips but it would still be the choice for a trip. It does everything well but excells at none. How many times have I paddled with a group in thier new cruising canoes and gone off for day trips while the group was left at camp by wind. I remember one p
oor fellow in his blackhawk solo canoe who I met on Lake Superior. A wonderful canoe but being windbound for 5 days sure changes your opinion of it for tripping.
One of the characteristics of our society is a belief that technology is the answer to all of our problems. People are always telling me to get rid of my prospector and get a faster, newer design. What about skill, knowledge, and way of life. You and your buddy can train like dogs. You can go out and buy the lastest racing design. You can buy the latest in modern gear and when you get to the campsite you will find me in my hammock. Regardless of your faster and more efficient canoe I get there first. I sta
rt paddling at dawn and make camp by lunch, paddling and portaging when it's cooler and the waters are calmer. All the technology in canoe design can't compete with waking up early.
And last... just what is a fine canoe. I thing there is nothing as beautiful as a classic wooden canoe. Some friends think it's that nice kevlar cruiser. Others thing it's that little ABS playboat. We all have fine canoes and one of the beauties of paddling is the diversity availiable. What isn't nice are blanket condemnations.
Don Haines
GrEp
>Well, let's load your fine craft and my Tripper with the same load, and go
>on the same trip. You can race ahead across every lake and still water.
>Then the Tripper will catch up when you arepprtaging around every rapid.
>
>Suppose you run a few of them with your boat. Suppose your fine
>instrument and the Tripper both get pinned, even briefly, on a rock.
>Guess who either walks home or spends a whole day waiting for thepatches
>to dry.
>
>lead-lined cottage canoe.
>
>GaryJ
>
in rapids but much more efficient on the flat. When the Tripper was
designed they just didn't know or care. Even with Kevlar boats we run
clean many rapids that heavier ABS boats come to more grief in. We also
find that we often make better time portaging some rapids than those who
run them as they must scout and scout and scout...or fill and empty.
Again, several other ABS boats (Mad River in particular) will survive a
pin as well as the Tripper.
Actually the Disco has a better hull shape...it's just made of a
cheaper/heavier material. In a paddling race the Disco would probably
win...if you could find a couple of masochists to race them!
Unfortunately, as do the others who vociferously defend the Tripper, you
merely identify yourself as someone who's attatchment to you favored
canoe has to do with something other than paddling performance.
Having paddled many including several hundred miles in a Tripper, I'll
retiterate...it's a bad canoe.
Tom
Gary J. Mac Donald
Long post. Much quoting and no snipping.
GrEp (seb...@astro.as.utexas.edu) writes:
> Gary J writes:
>>Well, let's load your fine craft and my Tripper with the same load, and go
>>on the same trip. You can race ahead across every lake and still water.
>>Then the Tripper will catch up when you arepprtaging around every rapid.
>>
>>Suppose you run a few of them with your boat. Suppose your fine
>>instrument and the Tripper both get pinned, even briefly, on a rock.
>>Guess who either walks home or spends a whole day waiting for thepatches
>>to dry.
>>
>>Please don't compare the Tripper with the Discovery. The latter is a
>>lead-lined cottage canoe.
>>
>>GaryJ
>>
> Don't think so. First, you can find many ABS boats which are as capable
> in rapids but much more efficient on the flat. When the Tripper was
> designed they just didn't know or care. Even with Kevlar boats we run
> clean many rapids that heavier ABS boats come to more grief in. We also
> find that we often make better time portaging some rapids than those who
> run them as they must scout and scout and scout...or fill and empty.
Don't think so what? The whole scenario? It can indeed happen like that,
or as you suggest. I don't think that the 10-30 pound difference between
one boat and another will make that much difference inn running clean or
not. Think about how many millimeters that might add to the draught. Not
much. OTOH, the stiffness and shape of the Kevlar boat might make it
easier to handle, and more responsive, thus allowing a clean run. w.r.t.
portaging faster than running, that depends on the circumstances: how
much scouting (if any, if you know the road) and how many trips across the
portage, as well as the comparative distances.
Indeed there are better ABS boats on the flat, and as
capable in ww. I often recommend the Swift Dumoine for example, and would
probably find one more useful for the use to which I put my Tripper.
> Again, several other ABS boats (Mad River in particular) will survive a
> pin as well as the Tripper.
Not so sure about any KEvlar boats, though.
> Actually the Disco has a better hull shape...it's just made of a
> cheaper/heavier material. In a paddling race the Disco would probably
> win...if you could find a couple of masochists to race them!
Interesting. I have never heard anyone suggest the Discovery to have a
better hull shape. I wonder if anyone (OT?) has tested them in a tank for
resistance?
> Unfortunately, as do the others who vociferously defend the Tripper, you
> merely identify yourself as someone who's attatchment to you favored
> canoe has to do with something other than paddling performance.
I guess that depends on what you mean by performance. Your choice of
words here suggests the potential of flames if we continue the discussion,
or perhaps you mean this as subtle heat. I recognize that there are many
canoes that do things better than the Tripper (read Don Haines' post) but
it does deliver a useful package of characteristics. It is not my
*favoured* (if you mean favourite) canoe, but it has a useful place in my
current small fleet.
> Having paddled many including several hundred miles in a Tripper, I'll
> retiterate...it's a bad canoe.
For you, and/or what you wanted it to do. But not for all.
> Tom
My original response was to a post in the thread that was quite derogatory
toward the very notion of a canoe that is not the very best at what that
poster wants a canoe to do. Fine. OK. But don't get into the story that
the only way to canoe is the way you want to. That reveals immaturity of
view (unless you state clearly that it is a limited view, and applicable
to that only). I know that Tom is not into that from his previous posts on
many topics.
Is the Tripper a BAD CANOE? I doon't think so. It is a beast, and I tell
it so! I would like to replace it with a large, lean and fast cruiser and
a smaler tandem ww boat, but for now it does multiple jobs.
GaryJ
Gary J. Mac Donald
GrEp (seb...@astro.as.utexas.edu) writes:
> See Gary J's post..hesitate to use bandwidth with much quoting.
Bad enough for one of us to lug all those electrons across the electronic
portage!
> I'll bet $25 that OT's never put a single boat in a tank, nor do the
> people who designed either hull have a single bit of formal education in
> marine architecture. Jensen probably doesn't either...that's one of the
> neat things about paddling that keeps it partly an art and partly a
> science and partly a sport!
>
> Thanks for the tone of your post...I keep trying to hold just a little
> high cause I want to see constant progress!
You should see some of John Winter's designs @ Swift Canoe. Hey! they
have a website. Let me search here....
http://magi.com/~swift/swift/swift_cat/swiftindex.html
GaryJ
Shawn Burke
ar...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Gary J. Mac Donald) writes:
> > Actually the Disco has a better hull shape...it's just made of a
> > cheaper/heavier material. In a paddling race the Disco would probably
> > win...if you could find a couple of masochists to race them!
>
> Interesting. I have never heard anyone suggest the Discovery to have a
> better hull shape. I wonder if anyone (OT?) has tested them in a tank for
> resistance?
Having paddled a Tripper, a Discovery 169, and a Discovery 174 in
rec-class downriver races (kinda like hitting yourself in the head with
a hammer, 'cause it feels good when you stop...), these stack up, from
fastest to slowest, as:
(1) Disco 174
(2) Tripper
(3) Disco 169
Although Old Town supposedly modeled the 169 after the Tripper, it is
_significantly_ slower. I don't think this difference can be
attributed to the 4"-5" difference in length alone.
-- seb
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these stack up, from
>fastest to slowest, as:
>
>(1) Disco 174
>(2) Tripper
>(3) Disco 169
>
>Although Old Town supposedly modeled the 169 after the Tripper, it is
>_significantly_ slower. I don't think this difference can be
>attributed to the 4"-5" difference in length alone.
We now eagerly seek a comparison of the Yugo, 2CV Citroen, and the
Trabant as paragons of automotive excellence and canoe haulers for the
masses.
Does anyone have information on how you cartop a Disco 169 on top of a
2CV???
Beat me...Beat me!
Tom
John Stewart
>ar...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Gary J. Mac Donald) wrote:
>>Indeed there are better ABS boats on the flat, and as
>>capable in ww. I often recommend the Swift Dumoine for example...
>Better on the flat with 4+ inches of bow rocker? Sounds like paddling
>uphill unless the hull shape changes while carrying a big load. The
>Dumoine sure _appears_ to be more for rivers than lakes.
If you compare the Dumoine with the Swift Winisk (not much rocker, tracks
well, fast) you discover that the Dumoine doesn't sacrifice very much
speed to gain a lot more maneuverability. A friend of mine who talked to the
designer (John Winters) of both of these boats was told that the Dumoine
should only be a few percent slower (perhaps 5%). If you are travelling
down a winding river (a common situation in Algonquin Park) the Dumoine
suddenly becomes the "hot boat" leaving the Winisk far behind.
The Dumoine may have been designed as a whitewater boat but the kevlar
version does make an excellent tripping boat.
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Alan Dunne
rocker is much less (about 2 inches). The hull shape becomes more
V shaped as it moves to the stern. The waterline shape is also
asymmetrical. The above considerations make is a reasonably fast and
straight tracking lake canoe, even though it is also an excellent river
canoe. On a glass smooth lake, I can think of many boats that will track
better and go faster, however, when wind wips up sizable waves on those
same lakes, the Dumoine often becomes the superior canoe.
Al Dunne
hein...@pioneer.uspto.gov (sam heinrich) wrote:
>ar...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Gary J. Mac Donald) wrote:
>>Indeed there are better ABS boats on the flat, and as
>>capable in ww. I often recommend the Swift Dumoine for example...
>
>Better on the flat with 4+ inches of bow rocker? Sounds like paddling
>uphill unless the hull shape changes while carrying a big load. The
>Dumoine sure _appears_ to be more for rivers than lakes.
>
>The hull design of the Penobscot 17 seems more suitable for lakes.
>
>Sam Heinrich all opinions here are my own
>
>
>
GVenator
sam heinrich
>Actually the Disco has a better hull shape...it's just made of a
>cheaper/heavier material. In a paddling race the Disco would probably
>win...if you could find a couple of masochists to race them!
>merely identify yourself as someone who's attatchment to you favored
>canoe has to do with something other than paddling performance.
I attended a presentation at REI (Bailey's Crossroads, VA) Wednesday
night (11-15-95). "Paddling Ontario's Wilderness Lakes" given by a
veteran canoe tripper. He specifically described both the Discovery
and the Tripper. He said the Discovery was ok, 'but never could get
one to go fast'. He had high praise for the Tripper. He also had
high praise for a light, fast, kevlar canoe, but not for the
wilderness tripping environment.
The Penobscot 17 seems a better choice to me.
sam heinrich
>Indeed there are better ABS boats on the flat, and as
>capable in ww. I often recommend the Swift Dumoine for example...
Better on the flat with 4+ inches of bow rocker? Sounds like paddling
uphill unless the hull shape changes while carrying a big load. The
Dumoine sure _appears_ to be more for rivers than lakes.
The hull design of the Penobscot 17 seems more suitable for lakes.
Sam Heinrich all opinions here are my own
Gary J. Mac Donald
The Penobscot might be a better fw canoe than the Dumoine, I can't say for
sure. But the Dumoine does very well on the flat because even with the
rocker forward (asym. hull) the back is more of a tracking shape. It works.
Brad Snow
: I'll bet $25 that OT's never put a single boat in a tank, nor do the
They sure didn't for the Tripper. It was a line for line copy of the
tried-and-true Chestnut Prospector. Unfortunately after they made the
vacuum molds and started production, they realized that the Royalex
sheets didn't quite form and cool the way they wished. The gennels never
reached full height, resulting in a VERY wet boat in any kind of waves.
Also, the bow and stern would thin out too much, allowing the Royalex to
crack right down the stem if a hard object was rammed with less than what
one would think of as disastrous force.
Does anyone else remember those first low-rider Trippers?
Brad
Jeremy Hall
seb...@astro.as.utexas.edu "GrEp" writes:
> We now eagerly seek a comparison of the Yugo, 2CV Citroen, and the
> Trabant as paragons of automotive excellence and canoe haulers for the
> masses.
Objection!!! I should defend the 2CV :-) It was designed before
and during the war (1936-1948), and sold well for 52 years (in every
country in the world except albania). It had: front wheel drive,
independent suspension all round, rack & pinion steering, disk
brakes, distributor-less ignition, boxer engine, progressive rate
springs etc etc. Its only recently that the above sort of technology
has become normal in the mass car market. The 2CV was great off-road
and held (holds?) lots of records for things like climbing mountains,
crossing deserts, and driving round the world.
> Does anyone have information on how you cartop a Disco 169 on top of a
> 2CV???
If you can cope with the door handles scraping the road every time
you go round a corner, it is possible :-) More seriously, unlike my
modern car, you can chuck vast amounts of wet muddy gear in it and
drive it anywhere off road (at speed), the seats slide out and you
can fit small creek boats inside it, or sticking out of the roll
back roof. Its dead cheap to buy and run compared with the bigger
4wd vehicles.
Regards, Jeremy
--
Jeremy Hall, Reading, England <j...@ilena.demon.co.uk>
Carey Robson
>>lead-lined cottage canoe.
>>GaryJ
>Don't think so. First, you can find many ABS boats which are as capable
>in rapids but much more efficient on the flat.
Name one wilderness tripping boat which matches this criteria and skip the
inuendo.
>When the Tripper was designed they just didn't know or care.
Back up what you say with fact not conjecture.
>Even with Kevlar boats we run clean many rapids that heavier ABS boats come
to more grief in.
Let's see -- A super light weight kevlar boat (comparable to the Tripper in
carrying capacity)weighs something around 45 lbs. A tripper weighs 80 lbs. The
difference of 35 lbs. out of a 700 lb. load (people and equipment for two or
three weeks) is --- insignificant in the water. Whether or not these boats
come to grief might have more to do with paddlers' skills. Royalex doesn't go
CRUNCH on every minor rock that it might encounter. If rocks are an issue then
glass whether it be Kevlar 49 tm. fibre glass or some other glass does go
CRUNCH.
>We also find that we often make better time portaging some rapids than those
>who run them as they must scout and scout and scout...or fill and empty.
Some go to paddle and some go to pack. In the West there are not the multitude
of lakes joined by short carries that typify Shield country. If I did a lot of
paddling in shield lake country then I would certainly own a Lightweight lake
canoe.
>Again, several other ABS boats (Mad River in particular) will survive a
>pin as well as the Tripper.
Finally some reality. My experience after unpinning and unwrapping more than a
few canoes, Tripers and Explorers included, is that Trippers with vinyl
gunnels fare better. I realize that Explorers are also available with vinyl
though most seem to come with ash. Ah well -- it keeps the canoe carpenters
employed. In the far north the screws have to be backed off out of the gunnels
to stop them from splitting the royalex. The Rivetted trippers do not seem
to have this problem.
>Actually the Disco has a better hull shape...it's just made of a
>cheaper/heavier material. In a paddling race the Disco would probably
>win...if you could find a couple of masochists to race them!
Well you can have your opinion and I can have mine. I admit, I have never
paddled a Discovery on a wilderness canoe trip loaded with gear-- have you? My
concern has always been the issue of field repairing a poly boat on a
wilderness trip.
>
>Unfortunately, as do the others who vociferously defend the Tripper, you
>merely identify yourself as someone who's attatchment to your favored
>canoe has to do with something other than paddling performance.
>
>Having paddled many including several hundred miles in a Tripper, I'll
>retiterate...it's a bad canoe.
>Tom
Well I guess we'll disagree. I use and appreciate an Old Town Trippper as a
wilderness tripping canoe. Its the best I've seen for this. I don't use it for
anything else, though fifteen years ago when it was pretty much the only
royalex boat except for the now vanished OcA, I and everybody else pdled it on
lakes as well as solo on rivers - not something that I would recomend. I also
currently own and use:
Mad River Northwoods - for lakes, the ocean both day and extended tripping.
Solo Cedarstrip - Designed and built it myself. It weighs 33 lbs.
Blue Hole Starburst - Tandem whitewater day trips.
Blue Hole Sunburst II - Converted it to a tandem river boat!!
Old Town H2Pro - Solo whitewater. I weigh 200 lbs and like the extra volume.
Where has the Tripper taken me?
Green River, Utah, 120 miles; Athabaska River, Alberta, 180 miles; Bonnet
Plume River, Yukon & NWT, 350 miles; Nahanni River, Northwest Territories,
335 miles; Coppermine River, Northwest Territories, 405 miles (from Winter
Lake - first 70 miles was mostly uphill).
LeonardMB
Carey....@DeepCove.com (Carey Robson) writes:
>Tom Sebring writes:
>>Don't think so. First, you can find many ABS boats which are as capable
>>in rapids but much more efficient on the flat.
>Name one wilderness tripping boat which matches this criteria and skip
the
>inuendo.
I have done more than a few hundred miles of NWT travel in a Tripper, and
I think it is an excellent boat for the purpose. Unfortunately, what that
means is that it is a compromise. There are faster boats that don't
handle as well in the rapids; there are better whitewater boats that track
even worse than a Tripper; there are much lighter boats, but none anywhere
near as tough. Even among ABS boats the durability of the Tripper is
outstanding.
However, I am willing to believe (and hope) that in the 20 years or more
since the Tripper was designed, better hull designs and construction
techniques have been devised. I am in fact gambling on that: I am taking
a Mad River Revelation north next summer for a trip of approximately 1000
miles, from Lake Wollaston to Baker Lake. The Revelation is the only boat
I have seen that is really in the same class as the Tripper. Dimensions,
capacity, and weight are comparable. I am hoping that the shallow-V hull
will give better speed and tracking. Conveniently, the other members of
the party will be paddling a Tripper, so there will be ample opportunity
for comparison. I will let you all know how it went when we get back.
Re: Tripper vs. Discovery. You really have to specify which Discovery, as
the name applies to Old Town's whole line of Poly boats, of radically
varying lengths and hull shapes. The only one which could be considered
an expedition boat (and the only one I have paddled for that matter) is
the 174. It is indeed faster than the Tripper, but at the expense of
whitewater maneuverability. My father and three others paddled Discovery
174s on the Back River in 1985. His main complaints were the difficulty
turning, and the near impossibility of holding course in a strong
quartering wind (apparently much worse in this regard than the Tripper).
Marc Leonard
Leon...@aol.com
Stile
mention that I have 2 mad river Roylex canoes and I have never used
seen or imagined a canoe that can take the kind of abuse that these
puppeys put up with and I imagine this is true with many Roylex canoes.
Mind you they are heavy but I am young and the guys I trip with are
young and strong as well. I have done some pretty unorthodox these
with these little beasts including leaving them full of gear and
simpley dragging them over a few short portages with myself and my
companion mule grunting and groaning at the lead.
I would never say that a tripper or any canoe is just plain bad. It's
a canoe and when there is no other, well it's still and canoe and that
is good on it's own.
Cheers!
Isabelle Methot
I would like to point one thing about the Madriver canoes vs the Old town
canoes. Madriver's canoes have a V shape and the Old town's that have a
flat bottom shape. So the Madriver will track a bit more in flat water
then the Old town.
Another thing to think about when purchasing a canoe is the price. Old
town canoes are the cheaper than Madriver's. If you think about a kevlar
canoe, then put the price on it.
You could also look at the Dagger canoes. They have good canoes. Here
are their internet page : http://www.usit.net/dagger/
---
Ime...@teleglobe.ca
a tandem canoe paddler
Carey Robson
TS> In the course of the thread (which I don't know how you unearthed,
Message sat in my outbin by mistake. On reflection it merritted sending.
TS> I stated that expedition paddling was the sole rational application
TS> of the Tripper. Many of the trips you cite fall into that category,
TS> so as distasteful as it may be, we're kind of in violent agreement!
Don't know why paddling the right boat for the right trip would be
distasteful.
Now about the rest.
TS> Flat bottom, great for initial stability but lousy for final
TS> stability and slower than a slug. A mindless copy of other, older
TS> canoes without any attempt to incorporate the understanding of
TS> marine architecture of the day.
The above statement may be relatively true for an empty canoe where
the paddlers high centre of gravity is germaine to the argument. It is
not relavent to a loaded canoe. In the field under real tripping
conditions the 17-3 length of the Tripper has consistently outperformed
16 foot Explorers, (even with the extra loading which invariably finds
its way into those extra 4.8 cubic feet).
CR> Name one wilderness tripping boat which matches this criteria and
CR>the skip inuendo.
TS> You already own one, the Northwoods. Requires more skill to paddle,
TS> and will not maneuver as well in rapids, but is still quite capable
TS> and runs an awful lot better.
As fine as the Northwoods is for lake tripping, it would not have cut it
on the Bonnet Plume, Nahanni, or Coppermine Rivers. You've come up short
on answers and long on inference and inuendo.
CR> Mad River Northwoods - for lakes, the ocean both day and extended
CR> tripping.
TS> One of the fastest ABS boats ever built, and discontinued by Mad
TS> River because it was "too tippy" and they feared liability problems!
It wasn't made from Royalex. Tippy is not an issue in a loaded boat. Come
to think of it -- not much of an issue in any boat currently advertised
for tripping. Liability!! Really. Maybe you should check what it was made
out of and what the cost of that material was in relation to its
marketability.
TS> Boats with finer entry lines ferry far better and lighter canoes have
TS> lower polar moment of inertia and hence can make quicker course
TS> corrections.
This is a red herring and you know it. Whether a boat is easier to
initiate
a ferry with, is easier to maintain or correct an angle with or offers
less
resistance to downward drift was not a part of this discussion on the
factors important to a wilderness triping boat -- the Old Town Tripper in
particular. The Trippper is particularly well suited to manoeverability
when loaded. Since it tracks well loaded, it follows that its ferrying
performance is equally good -- right?
TS> In spite of our vast and admirable skills we have on several
occasions
TS> hit rocks. Have never holed a lightweight kevlar boat on a
wilderness
TS> trip. We also probably run cleaner from a desire not to have
crunches.
TS> Having watched scads of royalex paddlers it's clear that missing
rocks
TS> is typically not high on the priority list!
The above subjective comments are irrelevant and you know it. Didn't know
that paddlers were now classified by the boat material they were paddling
that day. It also equally true that many people have been able to learn
technical river paddling because the consequences to their boats are less
if that boat is made out of one of the newer plastics.
TS> Disco's suck too. I'd rather get poison ivy than take a canoe trip
TS> in either boat.
The market is going to dictate the relavence of this debate. Old Town
Trippers contiue to sell because they have been proven as the best
of the wilderness tripping canoes. Discoveries are being bought in
truckloads by children's camps, schools, and rental companies. People
seem to have good experiences in them. They seem to last.
TS> Have you ever paddled a Wenonah Odyssey or Minnesota II?
Nope. At least not knowing it. Is this important to you?
TS> Have you ever used a bent shaft paddle for an extended trip?
Yup - on a few lake trips. Couldn't really be bothered to take a bent
shaft anymore.
TS> Have you ever paddled 25 miles in a marathon racing canoe?
The Northwoods is 17-6' and 31 5/8". Does this qualify. If so, then one
fifty mile race only. Flatwater and downriver canoe racing is not that
popular in western Canada.
TS> Have you ever paddled a high performance kevlar whitewater open
TS> slalom canoe?
Yup - even liked some of them. None of the three above issues has any-
Thing to do with wilderness tripping and the Old Town Tripper in
particular.
TS> One of canoeing's biggest problems is people teaching canoeing who
TS> really don't know a lot about it. It's the old saw about do you have
TS> 15 years of experience or one years experience 15 times over.
Perdy inflamatory and presumptous Tom. You might want to check out where
three of the twelve top finishers at the World Whitewater Rodeo
championships at Augsberg, Germany came from this past summer.
--
Carey....@DeepCove.com
President
Carey Robson
Carey Robson
>I've don't want to bud in or anything but I thought I would just
>mention that I have 2 mad river Roylex canoes and I have never used
>seen or imagined a canoe that can take the kind of abuse that these
>puppeys put up with and I imagine this is true with many Roylex canoes.
> Mind you they are heavy but I am young and the guys I trip with are
>young and strong as well. I have done some pretty unorthodox these
>with these little beasts including leaving them full of gear and
>simpley dragging them over a few short portages with myself and my
>companion mule grunting and groaning at the lead.
About the material for wilderness tripping we're in agreement.
The Old town Tripper has about 4.8 cubic feet more space. For trips
exceeding three weeks Its a better choice. For trips under three weeks
the Explorer is as good. The explorer is a better multi purpose boat.
Carey....@DeepCove.com
President - Recreational Canoeing Association of British Columbia
Master Instructor
GrEp
Among much other stuff Corey.Robson says:
>Perdy inflamatory and presumptous Tom. You might want to check out where
>three of the twelve top finishers at the World Whitewater Rodeo
>championships at Augsberg, Germany came from this past summer.
>
>--
>Carey....@DeepCove.com
>President
>Recreational Canoeing Association of British Columbia
>
Please don't post e-mail I send you on the newsgroup. When I want things
I say posted, I post them.
I have no desire to debate this or anything...waste of bandwidth.
For my part this thread can die like a dog.
p.s. Please don't e-mail me either.
Peace
Tom
Brad Snow
back. The Coleman is the Spam of canoes) the Big Mac of canoes, you'll
be happy with a Tripper. But if you have had the experience of a
chateaubriant, or a fille mignion, you'll realise that a Big Mac is just
a Big Mac: Sold by the millions to millions of people who don't take the
time to get something better. The numbers may attest to it's popularity,
but you don't find anyone (except a few company men) expounding on it's
quality!
Take the time to try out a number of boats. Don't overlook those
beautiful glass babys, either. And learn a little about hull shape, and
the problems with a flexible material like Royalex trying to conform and
sustain an efficient hull line.
Brad
Shawn Burke
fsb...@aurora.alaska.edu (Brad Snow) writes:
> If you will be comfortable with the Spam of canoes (no, I take that
> back. The Coleman is the Spam of canoes) the Big Mac of canoes, you'll
> be happy with a Tripper. But if you have had the experience of a
> chateaubriant, or a fille mignion, you'll realise that a Big Mac is just
> a Big Mac: Sold by the millions to millions of people who don't take the
> time to get something better. The numbers may attest to it's popularity,
> but you don't find anyone (except a few company men) expounding on it's
> quality!
What does that make people who like wood & canvas canoes? Vegetarians?
-- Shawn ("Make Mine Meatless") Burke
______________________________________________________________________
bu...@bu.edu
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~~~~~~~~~~~~|~~~~~~~~~~~ As simply messing about in boats"
Stile
>
>If you will be comfortable with the Spam of canoes (no, I take that
>back. The Coleman is the Spam of canoes) the Big Mac of canoes, you'll
>be happy with a Tripper. But if you have had the experience of a
>chateaubriant, or a fille mignion, you'll realise that a Big Mac is just
>a Big Mac: Sold by the millions to millions of people who don't take the
>time to get something better. The numbers may attest to it's popularity,
>but you don't find anyone (except a few company men) expounding on it's
>quality!
>
>beautiful glass babys, either. And learn a little about hull shape, and
>the problems with a flexible material like Royalex trying to conform and
>sustain an efficient hull line.
>
>Brad
>
Well Brad call me an idiot, or even a realist. I cann't aford to own 5
differnt canoes. So even though I know that hull design and material type
makes a differnce this is what I do....if I want to go faster I paddle
harder! if I want an easier time on a portage I fliippen well work out 3
months before a trip so I can carry my Big Friggen Mac easier cause I'm
stronger.
All this high tech crap gets to me after awhile. Canoeing is suposed to to
be a back to our roots type of sport, for people who really love the
outdoors. But instead guys like you try and make a bare bones sport that
can be done by anyone with a spinal cord and 4 functional limbs into
something that requires a PHD in MicronPhysics and $10, 000 worth of high
tech gear.
Your a wimp. So take your 35 lb. Ultra Kevlar peice of crap and all your
freeze dried astronout food and go for a nice trip down the Niagra river,
carfull of the class XX rapid right around Buffalo!
Cheers!
PS soory just had to get that of my chest...I feel better now!
Benson Gray
I don't understand why it is such an emotional topic. All products
have strengths and weaknesses, especially canoes. All consumers
have different requirements, particularly paddlers. It is never an
easy task to evaluate these and match them up but it usually is not
a religious issue.
Is it just because a large number of them have been sold? I admit
that I will rarely buy something just because 'everyone else has one'
but it borders on elitism to condemn a product solely because it has
been popular in the mass market.
Is there something about the way the company and dealers have
promoted the Tripper which has annoyed people? Historically, Old
Town's marketing has been very low key. I am not aware of any
excessive exaggeration, subliminal messages, or conspiracy here
worthy of an Oliver Stone movie.
Is the Tripper such a universally bad design that can do nothing
for anyone? This doesn't seem any more likely than finding a
perfect canoe which does everything for anyone. I have not
personally found any major problems paddling a Tripper.
I admit to being a bit of a boating omnivore who likes canoes of
all types and I do not own a Tripper. Can someone explain why this
topic has produced such flames?
Benson
Benson W. Gray, (207) 775-8515
to provide a quiet evening of fine dining than I would expect any place that
serves a filet mignon to be able to provide a fast and inexpensive meal in a
colorful box with a small toy to entertain my children!
Benson
Brad Snow
glass-molding a boat. What I hear you saying is that you prefer
overpowering ignorance with muscle rather than information. Go for it....
Brad
Carey Robson
>overpowering ignorance with muscle rather than information. Go for it....
Brad:
I know that,
"There are strange things done in the land of the midnight sun,
By the men who moil for gold."
and its the long winter. But don't you think we're drifting from any semblance
of a discussion about canoeing.
Merry Christmas
Carey....@DeepCove.com
President - Recreational Canoeing Association of British Columbia
Western VP - Canadian Recreational Canoeing Association
Master Instructor
Brad Snow
can talk with people who have tried different styles, and may even be
willing to let you try out some boats.
Next, you might search out canoe dealers who will - let you / have the
facilities to - try some boats before you buy. No advice is better than
personal experience with a variety of boats.
I want to qualify my comments about trippers. They are a very
serviceable and durable boat, providing all the essential qualities
needed to, as Graham Green writes, "mess about in boats". They are
superior to the Discovery line from OT because Royalex is lighter,
stronger, and more flexible. Unfortunately, it's also more expensive.
A tripper will be around for a very long time and, barring theft, or a
chain saw accident, you can back over it with your truck and it will
still be as ready to dump into the water and take you where you want to
go twenty years from now as it will be the first time you paddle it.
The Royalex Explorer is also as serviceable and durable. On the above
criteria, either will do a decent job.
But, because of the properties of Royalex, it has some drawbacks. It
can
be shaped in only certain ways, and is too flexible to hold some shapes
without support. The primary example of this is the Trippers (and
others) tendency to "oilcan" when it's not carrying any load (just two
paddlers without gear) The center of the floor pushes up somewhat from
the pressure of the water on the hull, causing a slightly concave shape
against the water. This is of no consequence when the canoe isn't
moving
through the water, but becomes more significant when underway. The
concave shape of the hull causes drag, which requires more paddling
effort to move the boat through the water. With a load of gear pushing
down on the bottom, this "oilcan" effect is avoided. Mad River tries to
address this with a shallow-V hull, but it is only slightly less of a
problem. And if all you are going to do with your canoe is play around
on a lake here or there, and do a lot of fishing from a stationary
position, it wouldn't be a problem at all.
People who like to cover a lot of miles, or who race, are continually
looking for advantages. The bent-shaft paddle would be one example.
Though it is showing up in more recreational-style settings, it is
primarily a racing or long-distance tool. The shape of the hull is
another area that has received considerable attention. The efficiency
of
a hull, that is the amount of energy it takes to move it through the
water, is determined by the "drag" the water has on the hull. The
"finer" the lines of a hull, the less drag. People, from aboriginal,
through marine architects, to persistent hobbyists, have been
experimenting
for thousands of years to discover the finest hull shapes. For a number
of years between the popularity of aluminum and the advent of Royalex,
fiberglass was a material of choice. It was easy to work, could be
molded in a relatively unsophisticated environment. and best of all,
could be shaped into exact and complex curves, and when set, would hold
these lines. But, even with the advent of Kevlar, fiberglass' stronger
cousin, it receded to the background with the development of Royalex
because it was relatively delicate; not as bomb-proof as the new
materials, and so did not appeal to a wider market.
There was a small faction of designers and hobbyists who stuck with
fiberglass, however, because of its workable properties, and its
relative
expense. And out of the efforts of these people came the most efficient
and swiftest craft. We-no-na, Sawyer, and other manufacturers now
market
these canoes, and have a strong following in paddlers whos primary
interest is covering miles, sometimes lots of them in Verlin Cruger's
case, in the most efficient manner. There is a growing number of people
who consider the fiberglass/Kevlar canoe, with some adaptation, to be
the
best wilderness tripping canoe available. Called cruisers, these canoes
combine the best of the lines possible only in fiber, with the
willingness
of the paddler to take on some water, and cautiously avoid the contact
with
rocks that Royalex paddlers usually ignore. With a degree of altruism,
and a patch kit, the glass boaters leave the "plastic" boaters in their
wake.
Recently, though, there has been an explosion in the models of Royalex
boat styles available. Through new techniques in molding and "lay-ups",
designers and manufacturers are closing the "fine lines" gap between
glass and plastic, offering some very sophisticated hull shapes that
come
closer to the efficiency previously available only in glass.
Unfortunately manufacturers have also flooded the marketplace with
inferior designs and materials in the quest to provide a more economical
canoe to people who want an alternative to the Coleman, but who aren't
willing to part with the cash required to buy a Royalex boat. (And with
US Royal's lock on the patent for the Royalex process, it will be that
way for a while.) With the Tripper's design over twenty years old, it
lacks the advantage of more modern discoveries and procedures in hull
manufacturing. In fact, the Tripper's design is more the resultant of a
series of mistakes in the initial design and production, than in the
successful implementation of a designed hull. But that's another story.
So...... yes, the tripper is a worthy craft, capable and durable for a
wide variety of canoeing needs. But it's a far cry from the perfect
boat
some would lead you to believe. Check out the alternatives!
Brad
MARK ANDRUS
Tripper is a good whitewater expedition
boat for carrying two people and gear.
There are lighter flat water canoes made
of Kelver, but they would not survive
on a shallow West Texas river.
Mark Andrus
Angleton, Texas
nana...@gmail.com
> I am considering purchasing a Tripper because of the way it is billed
> in catalogs and by dealers. However, I am curious. In addition to
> what it is supposed to do (be a tandem wilderness tripper), can it be
> paddled well solo? I would be especially interested in paddlers'
> experiences/comments regarding soloing the Tripper over distances of
> 10-20 miles.
> Thanks in advance,
> Bud
> b...@netside.com
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> I am considering purchasing a Tripper because of the way it is billed
> in catalogs and by dealers. However, I am curious. In addition to
> what it is supposed to do (be a tandem wilderness tripper), can it be
> paddled well solo? I would be especially interested in paddlers'
> experiences/comments regarding soloing the Tripper over distances of
> 10-20 miles.
> Thanks in advance,
> Bud
>
I was sitting along the South Branch of the Potomac river recently. It is not much more than a big stream, with a few ripples.
People mostly tube and kayak it.
As I sat there, here comes a big green yacht. I hollered to an older fella who was soloing, how long is that thing? 17'4" was the answer. Is that a tripper, I ask? Yea, 1984, I've turned it around to single paddle. I see that, I said.
He seemed to be with, maybe his grand kids, who were in kayaks. There is a back wash across from where we were sitting and the kids pulled in. Grandpa twists the paddle a little bit and the next thing you know, he's sitting in the backwash, still as a rock, facing up river. He sat there for maybe 5 or 10 minutes before taking off. The kids came along side and you could really get the feel of how big the Tripper is. Even with a 36 year patina, it was a beautiful sight.
I couldn't take my eyes off the scene. Trippers are cool.