Mohawk canoes, your experience
mgrady
I'm thinking very strongly about buying a Mohawk canoe and would like to
here of anyones experiences with them. How do they perform? Would you
buy one again knowing what you know now? anything at all will help.
The two models I'm looking at are the Probe 14 - first choice, the Nova
16 - second choice. this way I can paddle alone or with someone.
Well, Thanks.
Melvin Neef
mgrady (mgr...@earthlink.net) wrote:
: I'm thinking very strongly about buying a Mohawk canoe and would like to
: here of anyones experiences with them. How do they perform? Would you
: buy one again knowing what you know now? anything at all will help.
My wife, Randi, loves her Probe 12. We have an XL15 that we tandem and,
until recently, was my solo boat. We very much like our Mohawks. Our canoe
club is infested with Mohawks...Probes, Vipers and XL's everywhere you
look. We all pretty much agree, if you pick the right Mohawk for you you
will be happy with it. No better boat for the money.
o, Mel & Randi Neef o_.
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Larry Stone
Both are good boats, and will serve you well, depending on what kind of
paddling you are planning to do. For my money, I paddle solo and I
like the Probe.
Mohawk canoes are made by a fellow named Darryl Lidegh, down somewhere
in Florida, and he and his whole family make some good boats. They are
not as popular as they were a while back, but that is because they
changed their marketing policy and started selling their boats direct
to the consumer, like Gateway 2000.
As soon as they started doing that, a lot of their former dealers who
lost their middleman cuts started badmouthing the boats, and spreading
B.S. about everything from their performance to their durability.
Don't get faked out, the last two OC-1's I had were made by Mohawk, and
they are very responsive and maneuverable, with great final stability
playing in holes, sidesurfing, doing 360's, creeking, etc.
At least one other canoe mfr thought they do a good job, too, because
when Nolan Whitesell first started selling his boats, he had the hulls
made by Mohawk, and for a while, Mohawk was selling a strikingly
similar hull itself, under the model name Scamp, just not fitted out
the Nolan did his. They make a good inexpensive paddle, too, out of ABS
and aluminum, that is virtually indestructible. BTW, I don't work for
them or get paid for saying nice things about their boats, but I DO
appreciate quality merchandise for a good price, and they deliver both
with their boats...
'Nuff said, hope to SYOTR,
Larry
n <3224F2...@earthlink.net> mgrady <mgr...@earthlink.net> writes:
>
>I'm thinking very strongly about buying a Mohawk canoe and would like
to
>here of anyones experiences with them. How do they perform? Would you
>buy one again knowing what you know now? anything at all will help.
Peter Staehling
All the Mohawk owners around here are very satisfied. I have a
Viper 12 and it is a great boat at a very good price. A few
people around here have Probes and love them.
Don't hesitate to buy Mohawk products, they are first rate.
BTW service is quick but payment is check or COD only.
(no plastic money)
Steve Cramer
mgrady (mgr...@earthlink.net) wrote:
: I'm thinking very strongly about buying a Mohawk canoe and would like to
: here of anyones experiences with them. How do they perform? Would you
: buy one again knowing what you know now? anything at all will help.
: The two models I'm looking at are the Probe 14 - first choice, the Nova
: 16 - second choice. this way I can paddle alone or with someone.
I've owned a couple of Mohawks and currently paddle a Viper 12 that's a
lot of fun. Can't beat them for the price, and I don't think you give up
any quality.
The two boats you're looking at--Probe and Nova--are pretty different.
The Probe is a dedicated WW boat and the Nova is for the flats. What do
you intend to do with it? Either way, you could set it up solo/tandem.
Steve
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Jim Cook
mgrady wrote:
>
> I'm thinking very strongly about buying a Mohawk canoe and would like to
> here of anyones experiences with them. How do they perform? Would you
> buy one again knowing what you know now? anything at all will help.
> The two models I'm looking at are the Probe 14 - first choice, the Nova
> 16 - second choice. this way I can paddle alone or with someone.
I believe the Nova is for flatwater type usage. I have an Mohawk RX-16
in Royalex and like it. It does oil can a little when not loaded with
gear. All in all, a decent canoe for the price.....
Ralph E.Thayer PhD, AICP
Nova is a flatwater boat and is used in Royalex by several of
the outfitters along the Gulf Coast. I prefer a little wider
boat that can be paddled on its side to increase speed. The
Nova has relatively high freeboard making this a little tricky.
But, I have seen absolute beginners take the boat out and be
very comfortable. Unless you intend to rig it for solo paddles,
go for the 16foot version. Agree with the previous post: a
very good value for the price. FWIW. Ralph
Bruce Hempel
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|> Mohawk canoes are made by a fellow named Darryl Lidegh, down somewhere
|> in Florida, and he and his whole family make some good boats. They are
|> not as popular as they were a while back, but that is because they
|> changed their marketing policy and started selling their boats direct
|> to the consumer, like Gateway 2000.
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How does one contact them to learn about their models and prices?
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Bruce Hempel
Oci-One Kanubi
We have one good paddling retailer here in the Washington DC area that
sells mostly Dagger and Perception boats. It is wonderful to be able to
drop in on the way home from work Friday evening and pick up a
replacement airbag, or whatever, for the coming weekend's trip. This
guy would not be open if all he could sell were accessories and paddling
clothes -- he has to sell the big-ticket items, the boats, to make his
nut. Mohawk undercuts this guy and every other dealer with their
direct-marketing scheme, so I will not buy, or even test-paddle a Mohawk
boat; I buy Dagger boats from my local dealer. If Dagger were not
satisfactory I would go to some of the outdoor generalists around here -
- REI, Hudson Trails Outfitters, or Appalachian Outfitters -- who carry
Oldtown and Mad river.
Unfortunately, we have here in the DC area an ACA instructor (a nice guy
and a friend of mine, even though he doesn't agree with me on this) who
has some sort of association with Mohawk and who recommends Mohawk boats
to all his students, so the DC area is crawling with Mohawks, to the
detriment of all the boat dealers I mentioned above.
-Richard Hopley, OC-1; Rockville, Maryland
Brad Snow
The reason your area is crawling with Mohawks is that they were way ahead
of the big three, Dagger, Mad River, and Old Town, with the most
user-friendly and inexpensive boat for beginner playboaters. They do
have their drawbacks, but you can't beat price and paddling satisfaction
regardless of name recognition.
Brad
Jonathan W. Pennington
We bought a Mohawk recently, used. It was a little scratched up but it looked good.
I called the company to ask them about it, there was an I.D. number on the bow.
Not only were they very friendly, but they had every bit of information that I could
possibly want about it. The make, the model, the size, the color, the date of
manufacture, and the person who bought it from them (by the way, they only told me the
state where that person bought it, NOT the name or anything...but they had it.)
None of this was TOO terribly amazing until I realized that the date of manufature was
1986.
They also have a COMPLETE line of accessories that are absolutely top notch.
I doubt that I would want anything else.
-J
krk...@mitre.org
Anyone out there doing any sea kayaking in Japan?
I am looking for partner(s) for day and weekend trips
from the Tokyo area.
Ken King
Tokyo, Japan
krk...@mitre.org
Harriet
In article <322711...@cpmx.saic.com>,
Richard....@cpmx.saic.com says...
Sorry Richard, but I must disagree. While I bought both of the boats
that I own from the DC area retailer that you refer to, I found both
experiences less than pleasant. The first boat (an Old Town Camper)
was pawned off on me as a "fine beginners' tandem whitewater boat";
they apparently had an excess that they needed to get rid of. I have
heard of similar experiences from other beginning boaters who have
shopped there. When I bought my second boat (my Dagger Genesis), I was
a bit better informed and knew exactly what I wanted. The salesperson
however, tried to convince me that what I really wanted was an H2Pro
(which I had already tried and did not like) and questioned my
intelligence when I insisted on the Genesis. Needless to say, I
now avoid this retailer.
Additionally, many of us are not located close enough to
paddling retailers to take advantage of being able to "pick up a
replacement airbag, or whatever" on the way home from work; instead we
rely on mail order and keep spare equipment on hand.
Finally, many paddlers are very much committed to brand names to the
extent that they will insist on an unsuitable or poorly designed boat
from a particular manufacturer rather than exploring their options;
these paddlers will keep many retailers in business.
All that said, I have tried the Mohawk Probe 12 and was not very
impressed. It seems to be a very stable and forgiving boat, great for
beginners but somewhat sluggish. My next boat will likely be
Mohawk's Viper 12 or Dagger's Rival. If the Rival, I'll probably have
to go back to that DC area retailer and put up with their abuse once
again.
- David Bussey
Michael Houlden
Oci-One Kanubi wrote:
>
> We have one good paddling retailer here in the Washington DC area that
> sells mostly Dagger and Perception boats. It is wonderful to be able to
> drop in on the way home from work Friday evening and pick up a
> replacement airbag, or whatever, for the coming weekend's trip. This
> guy would not be open if all he could sell were accessories and paddling
> clothes -- he has to sell the big-ticket items, the boats, to make his
> nut. Mohawk undercuts this guy and every other dealer with their
> direct-marketing scheme, so I will not buy, or even test-paddle a Mohawk
> boat; I buy Dagger boats from my local dealer. If Dagger were not
> satisfactory I would go to some of the outdoor generalists around here -
> - REI, Hudson Trails Outfitters, or Appalachian Outfitters -- who carry
> Oldtown and Mad river.
>
> Unfortunately, we have here in the DC area an ACA instructor (a nice guy
> and a friend of mine, even though he doesn't agree with me on this) who
> has some sort of association with Mohawk and who recommends Mohawk boats
> to all his students, so the DC area is crawling with Mohawks, to the
> detriment of all the boat dealers I mentioned above.
>
> -Richard Hopley, OC-1; Rockville, Maryland
Actually, the stores make their money on clothing and accessories where the
markup is usually 200-300%, whereas canoes and kayaks are typically only
marked-up about 300-400 DOLLARS.
just my .02 worth.
michael
Larry Stone
Bruce,
I dunno. My best guess would be to look up one of their ads in the
back of a Paddler mag, or Canoe mag, but I don't subscribe to either.
Can anybody help us out here? What's their phone number? The best I
can remember, the Mohawk Canoe factory was in Miamisburg Florida, but I
COULD be wrong..
Larry
In <5070rc$1c...@watnews1.watson.ibm.com> hem...@heaven.pok.ibm.com
Brent Hill
The address to Mohawk Canoes:
963 N. Hwy 427
Longwood, FL
32750
Phone # (407) 834-3233
Fax # (407) 834-0292
Stevscarb
Hi David,
Sorry about your experience with A Dagger retailer. We try to have
the best folks out there. Would you mind e-mailing me the name of the
Dealer and i'll try to inform them of your experince in general terms ( no
names). Most of these guys want to do a good job, and appreciate the
input. Thanks!
Steve Scarborough
PadlnJones
My experience with Mohawk canoes has been consistently positive. I
paddled a Probe 12 for 2 years before moving into a Viper 12.
The boats were well made, with little amenities like rubber grips on the
grab loops to make carrying easier. The materials seem first rate, the
people at the factory are friendly and helpful. The price is $250 less
than a Dagger or Mad River playboat. I can give them an unqualified
reccommendation.
I have a lot of friends who paddle Mohawks, and they would echo these
sentiments.
Oci-One Kanubi
fsb...@aurora.alaska.edu (Brad Snow) typed:
I've talked to many of these Mohawk paddlers -- I do not live in a vacuum here.
Probes are friendly enough; the people who paddle them do not hate them, and some
love them. But the overwhelming motive for selecting them is the price -- they
are acceptable boats at 60% to 80% of the cost other boats. If all boats were in
the same price range no doubt some people would still buy Mohawks; I am not
saying that they are bad boats (I do not know about the Probe, but the Viper
would most certainly be a big seller even if it were priced to include a dealer
mark-up). Brad cites "inexpensive" as a virtue, but the only way Mohawk keeps
the prices where they do is by direct marketing -- by cutting out the dealer.
When I first started paddling Mohawks were available through dealers and
outfitters, competitively priced with the other boats.
So yes, Brad is exactly correct, "you can't beat price", and that is exactly why
I refused to test-drive a Viper before I bought my Ocoee. I like having a
network of boat dealers and wouldn't want them to go out of business because the
"big three" decided to cut out the dealers and go direct-market themselves, to
reduce their prices.
'Course it helps that I like Bob Foote's Genesis and Rival, and Frankie Hubbard's
Ocoee!
Oci-One Kanubi
David Bussey typed:
> While I bought both of the boats that I own from the DC area
> retailer that you refer to, I found both experiences less than
> pleasant. The first boat (an Old Town Camper) was pawned off
> on me as a "fine beginners' tandem whitewater boat"; they
> apparently had an excess that they needed to get rid of. I
> have heard of similar experiences from other beginning boaters
> who have shopped there.
You might not like the place -- they might, for all I know, indeed be
sleazy operators (I have heard one similar story, but then *every*one buys the
wrong boat first time; that's why we recommend buying used until you learn the
market) -- but unless you can reasonably assert that all dealers are like that
it does not change my point; that direct mail undermines the dealer, to the
paddlers' detriment. I personnally like to be able to browse, see new stuff,
talk to other boaters who wander in, etc. I do not think your dislike of one
particular place is sufficient reason for you to applaud the undermining of the
national dealer network.
And how do you suppose the novice who does not know enough to choose the
right boat from a dealership is gonna know enough to choose the right boat from
a pile of catalogs? Statistically, the Old Town Camper probably IS a "fine
beginners' tandem whitewater boat". That is to say, 9 of 10 people who buy it
probably do not paddle the level of whitewater that you and I and a very small
percentage of the national paddling community paddle.
And how is [our mutaul Mohawk-hyping friend] steering everyone towards the
only line he endorses any better than this dealer trying to move its sleepers?
> Additionally, many of us are not located close enough to
> paddling retailers to take advantage of being able to "pick
> up a replacement airbag, or whatever" on the way home from
> work; instead we rely on mail order and keep spare equipment
> on hand.
Actually, you DO live near enough to pick up a piece of crucial gear for
an important trip, if it is important enough for you. Even someone in
Friendsville, Albright, or Ohiopyle can have a townie friend pick something up
during the week and deliver it to the put-in rendezvous on Saturday, if
necessary. The demographics of this country are that most people (and probably
most paddlers) live in cities, so, even if I grant that you do not live
conveniently close to this dealer (and not everyone can live five minutes from a
specialty shop with a limited market), you are a statistical outlier.
> Finally, many paddlers are very much committed to brand names
> to the extent that they will insist on an unsuitable or poorly
> designed boat from a particular manufacturer rather than
> exploring their options; these paddlers will keep many retailers
> in business.
Non-issue. If they are committed to an inappropriate brand they will be
equally likely to buy the wrong thing by mail-order as from a dealer. Just look
at Leon (or was this whom you had in mund when you raised the point? (-:D )
> My next boat will likely be Mohawk's Viper 12 or Dagger's Rival.
> If the Rival, I'll probably have to go back to that DC area retailer
> and put up with their abuse once again.
Don't get the Rival in R-Light (or RoyalLite, or whatever Dagger calls the
lightweight Royalex). It does not hold up and glueing in the outfitting is a
righteous pain in the tail. I just heard that Dagger is now molding the Rival
in standard Royalex.
Rodney Brown
Bruce Hempel wrote:
>
> How does one contact them to learn about their models and prices?
>
> --
>
> Bruce Hempel
>
Look in any recent issue of Canoe and Kayak. They have several full page ads with info and prices. I have a
Viper 12 I bought used and have loved every minute in it. I am pleased with performance and quality.
Have fun
Rodney
Melvin Neef
Oci-One Kanubi (Richard....@cpmx.saic.com) wrote:
: We have one good paddling retailer here in the Washington DC area that
: sells mostly Dagger and Perception boats. It is wonderful to be able to
: replacement airbag, or whatever, for the coming weekend's trip. This
: clothes -- he has to sell the big-ticket items, the boats, to make his
: nut. Mohawk undercuts this guy and every other dealer with their
: direct-marketing scheme, so I will not buy, or even test-paddle a Mohawk
: boat; I buy Dagger boats from my local dealer. If Dagger were not
Richard,
We too appreciate our local outfitter. I will spend 10-20% more to buy an
item at Springriver rather than a mail order house. But I won't pay 50+%
more to get an equal or lesser boat. We bought our Mohawks from the
factory because we could not get a comparable boat (Dagger, Mad River etc)
at a local dealer for even close to what we paid for the Mohawks. Neither
ourselves nor anyone we know bought Mohawks because of that local fellow
you mention. Mohawk makes good boats and sells them at a fair price. When
the other makers adjust their prices so that both they and the retailer
can make a profit I am sure they will regain the market share they are now
giving up.
As you said you like and respect that local Mohawk hawker, we like and
respect you.......we just think you may be a little extreme on this
point. Lord knows we expect your paddling to be extreme, but not your
market theory.
Mike Malone
Call (407) 834-3233. I'm the (fairly) new owner of a Mohawk Solo 14. It's
a great little boat, and I saved a bundle ordering direct.
> |> Mohawk canoes are made by a fellow named Darryl Lidegh, down somewhere
>
Steve Cramer
Oci-One Kanubi (Richard....@cpmx.saic.com) wrote:
: Brad cites "inexpensive" as a virtue, but the only way Mohawk keeps
: dealer.
: When I first started paddling Mohawks were available through dealers and
: outfitters, competitively priced with the other boats.
This is not so, or at least was not so as recently as 1990. I bought a
Mohawk XL13 from a dealer in Decatur, GA before Mohawk went to direct
sales. I also considered a Caper, but there was a $150 difference, and in
those days, that was a big bunch of money to me. Still is for some folks.
Mad Rivers were a whole bunch more.
If you check the old ads, you'll notice that the price of the Mohawk boats
did not change appreciably when the direct sales started.
Bray Haven
Mohawk Canoes. In Longwood FL just north of Orlando. Excellent value.
Good boats and very friendly folks. THe dealers hate them because they
sell direct. I guess the manufacturers in this country aren't in bus to
support dealers though. Their goal is to make the best profit they can.
In this case the direct approach benefits the end user. Just went up
there a couple months ago and helped a friend buy a nova 17. They often
have blems for an even better price. PH 407-834-3233 FAX 407-834-0292
Greg Sefton
Winter Haven FL
Byron Funnell
I used to have a challenger and now own a Mohawk Viper 12. If I
needed a new boat it would be a tough decision - Viper 11 or Viper
12, but one of the two. Handles great in ww for which it was
designed. Prices are good as is the timely delivery of non boat
items from the factory. Never ordered one from the co. but got
lots of other items from them.
Good Luck,
--
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Meeting your AutoCAD needs.
Fort Wayne, IN e-mail address: 74734...@compuserve.com
Oci-One Kanubi
cra...@moe.coe.uga.edu (Steve Cramer) typed:
> Oci-One Kanubi (Richard....@cpmx.saic.com) wrote:
> : Brad cites "inexpensive" as a virtue, but the only way Mohawk keeps
> : the prices where they do is by direct marketing -- by cutting out the
> : dealer.
> : When I first started paddling Mohawks were available through dealers and
> : outfitters, competitively priced with the other boats.
>
> This is not so, or at least was not so as recently as 1990. I bought a
> Mohawk XL13 from a dealer in Decatur, GA before Mohawk went to direct
> sales. I also considered a Caper, but there was a $150 difference...
Just looked at the Mohawk ad in PADDLER. Probe 12 is $612 + S&H; my Dagger Rival
21 months ago was $725 at Appomatox Canoe. If S&H runs $62, the difference is $50,
and the Dagger cost about 17% more. I could have gotten a better deal from my DC
area dealer, but I felt obliged to buy from Appomatox since they had loaned me a
demo rival the weekend before. This Spring I got my Ocoee for far less than I paid
for the Rival, but I will not quote the price since it was obviously a rare deal to
unload excess inventory in February.
Most telling of all, however, are the prices listed in Mohawk's ads for "suggested
retail". The Probe 12 (~=Rival) and the Viper 11 (~=Ocoee), both for $875, where
the Rival and Ocoee list for something like $835 and $795 (don't jump on me too
hard if I got the Dagger figures wrong; they're close, and I don't have a price
list here.)
--
Oci-One Kanubi
cra...@moe.coe.uga.edu (Steve Cramer) typed:
> Oci-One Kanubi (Richard....@cpmx.saic.com) wrote:
> : Brad cites "inexpensive" as a virtue, but the only way Mohawk keeps
> : the prices where they do is by direct marketing -- by cutting out the
> : dealer.
> : When I first started paddling Mohawks were available through dealers and
> : outfitters, competitively priced with the other boats.
>
> This is not so, or at least was not so as recently as 1990. I bought a
> Mohawk XL13 from a dealer in Decatur, GA before Mohawk went to direct
> sales. I also considered a Caper, but there was a $150 difference, and in
> those days, that was a big bunch of money to me.
Hmm, I must have gone into different boat dealers when I was shopping for my first
boat, in Maryland, in 1992.
PadlnJones
Oci-One Kanubi wrote:
> Just looked at the Mohawk ad in PADDLER. Probe 12 is $612 + S&H; my Dagger Rival
> 21 months ago was $725 at Appomatox Canoe. If S&H runs $62, the difference is $50,
> and the Dagger cost about 17% more.
$725 sounds like a better than average deal on a Dagger, and remember to
add Sales Tax of $50-55, which you don't pay on a factory shipment.
72345...@compuserve.com
Even before Mohawk dropped the dealer network (actually they
haven't there still are some dealers here in NJ), their prices were
lower than other maufacturers'. The shipping cost is minimal,
about $65-$85 here in NJ. The last boat I bought from them, I went
to Florida and picked it up (well, it was a good excuse to get back
there). Personally, nice bunch of people.
JP
Brian Hayes
I purchased a XL15 direct from them. I looked at Dagger and other brands
but even with the shipping charges added Mohawk beat all prices. I couldn't
be happier with my XL15. I have it set up with 2 perception "The Saddle"
seats and floatation front and rear. Make sure you ask if they are running
any specials on life vest and other gear. I bought two ExtraSport
Whitewater Challengers @ 25% off! Used money I saved to buy a killer
paddle.
Just my $.02 worth.
Byron Funnell
Richard,
>>So yes, Brad is exactly correct, "you can't beat price", and that
is exactly why I refused to test-drive a Viper before I bought my
Ocoee. I like having a network of boat dealers and wouldn't want
them to go out of business because the "big three" decided to cut out
the dealers and go direct-market themselves, to reduce their prices.
On the other hand we have two local dealers of which only one has any
idea what a whitewater boat is. Several others are w/i a couple
hundred miles. The one local shop only has one fellow who knows
anything about boats, but quit paddling many years ago. Too many
other interests. He still has an Impulse and and an XL11 from 5 years
ago when I started visiting his store. The prices are the same as
they were then.
When I go in to see if they have any outfitting it is way over the
price of Mail order houses if they have it. Stock often includes up
to 2 non-matching overpriced d-rings! When I inquire about other
items, they pull out the same catalogs I have at home. Prices reflect
what I pay including shipping, and a profit for them. I still buy
much of my stuff from them, but it usually seems much cheaper, and
easier to buy direct.
As far as boats, well, even if the viper was a few hundred more, I
would still turn to it. My biggest complaint about the viper is that
Dagger did not make it and I don't feel the Ocoee replaces it. Sorry!
Actually, all five of our boats were purchased used, still have
three, two are Encores, so the price reflection did not make as big
of an impact. If I did buy another viper it would be through Roger
Scotts or down on the Nanny at their little outlet deal.
So, If I had a well stocked dealer that gave decent prices, I would
certainly buy from them, but situations as they are Mohawk is still
my bet. I will continue to harrass you, but not hold your views
against you. <VBG> Hope to see you in a few weeks.:-)
Byron
Steve Cramer
Byron Funnell (The_CA...@msn.com) wrote:
: .... If I did buy another viper it would be through Roger
The guy on the Nantahala is not a Mohawk dealer or outlet, exactly, just
a guy who lives in Florida near the factory and has some riverfront property
in NC. He'll submit your order for you and you can pay him to bring the
boat up to the river.
T.J. Hittle
> Scotts or down on the Nanny at their little outlet deal.
>
> certainly buy from them, but situations as they are Mohawk is still
> my bet. I will continue to harrass you, but not hold your views
> against you. <VBG> Hope to see you in a few weeks.:-)
>
> Byron
Hi Richard & Bryon,
We need to get you two into a Coleman canoe!! Now THAT is a real
challenge down the Upper Gauley. ;-)
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Byron Funnell
Steve,
>>The guy on the Nantahala is not a Mohawk dealer or outlet, exactly, just
a guy who lives in Florida near the factory and has some riverfront
property in NC. He'll submit your order for you and you can pay him
to bring the boat up to the river.
Thanks, I stand corrected. Actually never stopped. Just paddled by
many many times. For that matter I don't know that Roger Scotts still
sells them either. Last time I stopped he did not have any, but I
usually did not see them sitting out much even when he did. Had to
ask for em.
Byron