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TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher

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Nov 22, 2012, 10:05:04 PM11/22/12
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Never seen it before: the tide along the canals is rising more and
more, so much so that now I can not ride my bike on the road and must
look for alternative routes or simply turn back. Needless to say, the
salt water ruins your mechanical components and forces you to buy
another bike.

This happens just as the super storm hit NYC and they suffered
catastrophic damage. Maybe from a car is less noticeable or you assume
that is just rain water, but it ain't. This is the real thing, we are
sinking or the sea is rising, however you want to put it. I wished the
ocean rose in this calmed fashion so I can put in my kayak closer, but
the next storm may be the final proof of Climate Change.

Are we still looking for proof or just pretending it doesn't exist?


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TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher

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Nov 23, 2012, 10:03:19 AM11/23/12
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On Nov 23, 9:28 am, Qi Wu Lun <being@.... --- -- .> wrote:
> TibetanMonkey wrote:
> >(While you may be saying 'Who cares about Miami Beach!' I remind
> >everyone that the tide is rising for all.
>
> Tides rise and fall.
> Usually twice per revolution
> of your planet on its axis.
>
> > Seychelles Islands and the
> >Netherlands are first to go, but you must brace for immigration and
> >unintended consequences of all kind.
>
> When you say you,
> exactly who are you talking to?
> Yourself?
>
> > I expect to put in kayak so much closer to the water)
>
> What about immigration?
>
> >Never seen it before: the tide along the canals is rising more and
> >more, so much so that now I can not ride my bike on the road and must
> >look for alternative routes or simply turn back.
>
> Apparently that happens each autumn.
> This year's are up almost a foot above
> the average for the year.
>
> > Needless to say, the
> >salt water ruins your mechanical components and forces you to buy
> >another bike.
>
> And, eventually,
> people might move to higher ground.
>
> Or, be akin to those place where more and
> more pumps are used continually to pump out
> ocean water, since where they live is actually
> below sea level. It's a choice.
>
> >This happens just as the super storm hit NYC and they suffered
> >catastrophic damage.
>
> Not to mention the butterfly.
>
> > Maybe from a car is less noticeable or you assume
> >that is just rain water, but it ain't. This is the real thing, we are
> >sinking or the sea is rising, however you want to put it.
>
> Sea level is different from the tides.
>
> Tectonic plate movement is also different
> from either of those natural processes
> which occur on your planet.
>
> > I wished the
> >ocean rose in this calmed fashion so I can put in my kayak closer, but
> >the next storm may be the final proof of Climate Change.
>
> Storms are not proof of climate change.
>
> While climate change may occur with more
> frequent and intense storms as a correlation,
> the proof would be more along the lines of an
> average of temperature increase or decrease.
>
> >Are we still looking for proof or just pretending it doesn't exist?
>
> Climate change is continual.
>
> You, apparently, are looking for proof.
>
> Your planet is in what's called in inter-glacial
> period between ice-ages. The next ice-age will,
> with little doubt, occur in Earth's future.
>
> Until then, currently, you may expect a rise in sea level
> on the order of an inch to six in the next many years.
>
> http://miamitodaynews.com/news/120823/story2.shtml
>
> As for the tides, perhaps you were not around
> or did not pay attention a couple years ago, in 2010.
>
> http://www.bizjournals.com/southflorida/blog/2012/10/miami-beach-floo...
>
> Eventually you might be moved out
> even if you don't want to go or cannot bring
> yourself to move on your own.
>
> If you were further out
> in your brain-activity, you might note
> how you are creating this scenario,
> for yourself, as you take part
> in the unfolding of it.
>
> Once up
> on a time there was
> a guy who dreamed he was ...
>
> http://daoisopen.com/ZZ2.html
>
> and when he awoke ...
> and then ...

You don't seem to be rationalizing the cause and consequences of the
rising seas. Perhaps you live in a planet of your own and have no
concern whatsoever for humanity.

In my wisdom --Wisdom of the Jungle-- you practice PREVENTION and get
ready for the worst. If you must change the bike for the kayak so be
it, but you never go down without a fight.

Now read the link you provide:

"Rising seas, which are connected to global warming and climate
change, have been a growing topic in the City of Miami Beach. The
city’s new storm water plan includes $200 million of infrastructure
expenses designed to combat rising seas over the next 20 years."

***

Assuming that $150 million goes into the black hole of corruption not
much is left to fight rising seas. Democracy seems to mean "go with
the flow" around here.

TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher

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Nov 25, 2012, 11:49:03 AM11/25/12
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One of the ironies of Climate Change is that it floods WholeFoods
first. They have installed solar panels and are very progressive about
the environment, and somehow people are kept from accessing the store
by bike.

I would show my commitment by showing up on paddle board...

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/10/31/3076529/miami-beach-sinking-beneath-the.html

***

Drivers are generally unaware of their driving through sea water, just
as they are about pollution, but sooner or later they'll pay the
price. Another irony is that perhaps SUVs negotiate the rising waters
better. Where's the law of karma?

TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher

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Nov 26, 2012, 11:08:27 AM11/26/12
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The similitude to the Titanic can not escape my imagination. They
thought it was unsinkable and then the iceberg struck... Actually the
iceberg never struck, it was that they were on the wrong course.
That's an important clarification.

It could be like a category 5 hurricane hitting an already flooded
area. I would be celebrating in Lincoln Road along with the upper
crust. I think the sinking of the Titanic was done in great style and
the relationship between the rich girl and the poor guy is just
romantic. They wouldn't have made a movie if such sinking ended as a
free-for-all and the rich escaped first. Did the rich escape first?
Anyway the captain of the boat went down with it.

Someone is always responsible for a sinking ship... But is someone
responsible for Climate Change or we just blame the crew and the
passengers?

Deep, deep question.

TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher

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Nov 26, 2012, 12:07:37 PM11/26/12
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One possibility is to use an SUP instead of an SUV. That's also known
as a paddleboard and it can take you above and beyond what any SUV can
over flooded streets. If you can't stand up, don't worry. Kneeling
often does the job as well. You may even lie on it and swim if you
find it uncomfortable.

I find them the best invention since the kayak. Some may say they are
better, but that's only a matter of choice. I like them both. I don't
have an SUV but I got two SUPs.

The paddleboard may have being used by the primitive man and
ironically by the last man on Earth. Some find it nice as a vehicle
for meditation and relaxation. Perhaps better than yoga classes. Well,
you can do whatever you want on them.

Look at this awesome view:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quC5qBYNMGY

Phant...@gmail.com

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Nov 26, 2012, 12:09:36 PM11/26/12
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On Sun, 25 Nov 2012 08:49:03 -0800 (PST), "TibetanMonkey, the Beach
Cruiser Philosopher" wrote:
>Drivers are generally unaware of their driving through sea water, just
>as they are about pollution, but sooner or later they'll pay the
>price. Another irony is that perhaps SUVs negotiate the rising waters
>better. Where's the law of karma?

I once watched a guy back his new Cadillac Escalade down a ramp so
far, his rear bumper went completely under and his underwater exhaust
was blowing bubbles, just so he could float his jet ski onto the
trailer rather than winch it up a few feet. I couldn't see his
underwater tag but assumed he wasn't local. Probably from the land of
lakes and fresh water. So I mentioned what salt water could do to his
new vehicle. He just shrugged and said he trades every year or two
anyway so, no problem.
I hope I never buy one of his trade ins.
Where IS the law of karma?

TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher

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Nov 26, 2012, 6:58:15 PM11/26/12
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Moral of the story: NEVER BUY A USED CAR!

TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher

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Nov 26, 2012, 6:58:24 PM11/26/12
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On Nov 26, 5:42 pm, oarknots <being@.... --- -- .> wrote:
> TibetanMonkey wrote:
> > wether wrote:
> >> TibetanMonkey wrote:
>
> >> > they'll pay the
> >> >price. Another irony is that perhaps SUVs negotiate the rising waters
> >> >better. Where's the law of karma?
>
> >> A law of karma may suggest how
> >> those who live at sea level
> >> are prone to flooding.
>
> >Is that all it says?
>
> With your so-called English language,
> a difference exists between what are known
> to be, "articles" as parts of speech.
>
> The the is definite.
> An a is indefinite.
>
> Can laws actually talk?
> Do they really say anything?
> Or is it just said they say stuff.
>
> A law of karma may suggest how
> those who think there is, " The  English Language"
> are thinking in a definite fashion.
>
> Another law of karma may suggest
> how those who think in terms of,  "A  Form
> of  English  Language,"  could get an A
> when scoring 100% on an exam.

There you go, the Nazi Grammar Police.

Don't you read Chinese manuals? Or you figure out the gadget on your
own?

I use a bit of both, nothing wrong with it.
>
> > I thought that was common sense.
>
> One would think so, know doubt.
>
> Why then they would insist and persist
> in building homes near a coast-line,
> subject to flooding during high tides,
> especially in autumn, could be
> a form of mystery.

They want to "make a life a beach." Do you see something wrong with
it?

>
> >The similitude to the Titanic can not escape my imagination. They
> >thought it was unsinkable and then the iceberg struck... Actually the
> >iceberg never struck, it was that they were on the wrong course.
>
> Icebergs are not generally attributed mind
> as being among their properties.
>
> To think the Titanic struck the iceberg
> might give the ship more intellectual capacity
> than a hunk of metal had back then.
>
> To say they struck each other,
> as if it occurred on porpoise,

Isn't that a sort of dolphin?

> might be something other than a fish
> out of water, so to speak.

A dolphin out of the water?

>
> To blame the stricking that struck on
> their being on the wrong course
> or off the right course,
> could be a white horse,
> speaking of which.
>
> >That's an important clarification.
>
> Definitely. It's the stuff the the is made of.
>
> Your planet might have a mind of its own.
> Your species might develop a mind of its own.
>
> Rearranging cities away from coast-lines
> makes about as much sense as rearranging chairs
> on the Titanic, given that an asteriod is on its way,
> coupled with a super-volcano, not to mention
> the next ice-age, nor the Red Giant.
>
> Trying to figure out what struck what
> could be something Buddhism has a say in.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parable_of_the_arrow
>
> >It could be like a category 5 hurricane hitting an already flooded
> >area. I would be celebrating in Lincoln Road along with the upper
> >crust. I think the sinking of the Titanic was done in great style and
> >the relationship between the rich girl and the poor guy is just
> >romantic. They wouldn't have made a movie if such sinking ended as a
> >free-for-all and the rich escaped first. Did the rich escape first?
>
> I have no idea.
>
> On your world it is probable
> that rich folk will be living off the surface
> while surface dwellers are struck
> by their extinction.
>
> >Anyway the captain of the boat went down with it.
>
> Is there a captain on your planet?

That's the President, right? Or the Saudi King? Or Chavez?

>
> >Someone is always responsible for a sinking ship...
>
> Blame may be spread around, if you care to.
> You might blame the ocean, if you've a mind to.
> Or the iceberg. Or God. Or Buddha. Or Mother Nature.

I'd never blame Buddha. He just was a model for those who want to be
wise --such as me. "You can be a Buddha yourself," said he.
>
> > But it someone
> >responsible for Climate Change or we just blame the crew and the
> >passengers?
>
> By it, you maybe mean if.
>
> And the conditional, if-then
> is a good contingency plan logic-wise.
>
> Except you probably don't mean if.
>
> You could blame everyone who owns anything
> that had any carbon used in its construction,
> from bikes to plastic to paper sacks.

Carbon footprint? The smaller the better. Nothing is black and white,
except yin and yang.
>
> You could blame your star, the Sun, as you call it,
> for being too bright, for not being spot on. Or
> for having one too many spots.
>
> You could blame the tilt of your axis,
> if you have an axis, or a tilt, on your world
> if you happen to ride a tilt-a-world world.

If it weren't for the tilt, we could be having equal and fair weather.

>
> >Deep, deep question.
>
> True, when you wrote it, you may have meant is.
>
> And, depending on what the definition of is, is,
> there could be said to be someone responsible
> as well as it could be said nobody is.
>
> In the group where I am,
> that you keep cross-posting into,
> there's a saying sew sum say.
>
> Shit happens.

That's not a credible reason for the sinking of the Titanic.

TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher

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Nov 26, 2012, 7:07:28 PM11/26/12
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On Nov 26, 12:09 pm, Phantma...@gmail.com wrote:
Kayakers are never dishonest because the peeling and the rust show all
through the paint.

Where is the law of karma?

TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher

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Nov 27, 2012, 10:40:22 AM11/27/12
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On Nov 26, 9:35 pm, tip <being@.... --- -- .> wrote:
> TibetanMonkey wrote:
> > oarknots wrote:
> >> TibetanMonkey wrote:
> >> > wether wrote:
> >> >> TibetanMonkey wrote:
>
> >> >> > they'll pay the
> >> >> >price. Another irony is that perhaps SUVs negotiate the rising waters
> >> >> >better. Where's the law of karma?
>
> >> >> A law of karma may suggest how
> >> >> those who live at sea level
> >> >> are prone to flooding.
>
> >> >Is that all it says?
>
> >> With your so-called English language,
> >> a difference exists between what are known
> >> to be, "articles" as parts of speech.
>
> >> The the is definite.
> >> An a is indefinite.
>
> >> Can laws actually talk?
> >> Do they really say anything?
> >> Or is it just said they say stuff.
>
> >> A law of karma may suggest how
> >> those who think there is, " The  English Language"
> >> are thinking in a definite fashion.
>
> >> Another law of karma may suggest
> >> how those who think in terms of,  "A  Form
> >> of  English  Language,"  could get an A
> >> when scoring 100% on an exam.
>
> >There you go, the Nazi Grammar Police.
>
> >Don't you read Chinese manuals?
>
> Which ones?

Any Chinese manual that is hard to figure out.
>
> > Or you figure out the gadget on your own?
>
> What gadget?

The gadget that you must figure out because the manual is hard to
read. You don't care though. What you care about is the quality of the
product, and that's the revolution I deliver to the world.

> >They want to "make a life a beach." Do you see something wrong with
> >it?
>
> I don't. Not at all.
>
> If folks want to get flooded out
> each autumn during high tides
> and blame it on climate change
> that's just their victim mentality,
> in one of my views of their view.

I see. You probably blame the victims of the Indonesian tsunami for
their fate.

>
> >> >The similitude to the Titanic can not escape my imagination. They
> >> >thought it was unsinkable and then the iceberg struck... Actually the
> >> >iceberg never struck, it was that they were on the wrong course.
>
> >> Icebergs are not generally attributed mind
> >> as being among their properties.
>
> >> To think the Titanic struck the iceberg
> >> might give the ship more intellectual capacity
> >> than a hunk of metal had back then.
>
> >> To say they struck each other,
> >> as if it occurred on porpoise,
>
> >Isn't that a sort of dolphin?
>
> Not that I'm aware of.
>
> My guess would be that both
> are a sort of some higher order
> of classification scheme of Cetacea.

I think you must double check your biology books.

They are as closely related as humans and monkeys, perhaps more.

>
> >> might be something other than a fish
> >> out of water, so to speak.
>
> >A dolphin out of the water?
>
> Is a dolphin a fish, in your book?
>
> Are you familiar with the term, idiom?

A dolphin lives in the water. So the idiom is literally applicable to
dolphins.

> >That's the President, right? Or the Saudi King? Or Chavez?
>
> I have no idea who is what in your world.
> I'd assume that only you know.

Someone is responsible for the sinking of this ship we call Earth. You
may blame one president or another, a king, a revolutionary man, or
all of them. I think Al Gore would have helped change the course of
the planet, but now we are headed for the iceberg. Bush chose the
collision course, and Obama just keeps the course.

>
> >> >Someone is always responsible for a sinking ship...
>
> >> Blame may be spread around, if you care to.
> >> You might blame the ocean, if you've a mind to.
> >> Or the iceberg. Or God. Or Buddha. Or Mother Nature.
>
> >I'd never blame Buddha. He just was a model for those who want to be
> >wise --such as me. "You can be a Buddha yourself," said he.
>
> What's the trick?

The trick is to get off your ass and do something. Buddha showed the
path, not sitting under the tree. Like I said, he was a wanderer. And
we humans are made to move, not sit.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >> > But it someone
> >> >responsible for Climate Change or we just blame the crew and the
> >> >passengers?
>
> >> By it, you maybe mean if.
>
> >> And the conditional, if-then
> >> is a good contingency plan logic-wise.
>
> >> Except you probably don't mean if.
>
> >> You could blame everyone who owns anything
> >> that had any carbon used in its construction,
> >> from bikes to plastic to paper sacks.
>
> >Carbon footprint?
>
> Does carbon wear shoes?

That's the terminology used by those in the field. Don't worry about
it.
>
> > The smaller the better. Nothing is black and white,
> >except yin and yang.
>
> Is that all yin and yang are?

They are more. They are a flow of energy and the complement of
opposite, such as working out and then resting.

That's why my wisdom is so complete: ride a bike then lie in the
hammock. I haven't done kayaking in a while but that's active seating
as well.
>
> >> You could blame your star, the Sun, as you call it,
> >> for being too bright, for not being spot on. Or
> >> for having one too many spots.
>
> >> You could blame the tilt of your axis,
> >> if you have an axis, or a tilt, on your world
> >> if you happen to ride a tilt-a-world world.
>
> >If it weren't for the tilt, we could be having equal and fair weather.
>
> Do you have plans for your next ice-age?

I worry about the first things first. Before I must worry about the
warming, and if I survive I'll worry about the ice age. Do you have
any common sense?

Oh sorry, you are trained to follow ancient texts and you lose touch
with reality.

> >That's not a credible reason for the sinking of the Titanic.
>
> Some reasonings are incredible.
>
> Saying shit happens does not offer a reason.
> It's more of an observation.
>
> Reasons tend to be after a fact.
> Take the next ice-age, for example.

Shit happens is as accurate as the laws of karma. Things just happen
without a particular reason.

The opposite would be CAUSE & EFFECT. Climate Change has a cause and
that's our stupid policies. We are a ship on automatic pilot.

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