O'DAY 272
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I'm considering the purchase of an '86 O'DAY 272 w/9.9 outboard.
Not being up to speed on O'DAY boats, I was wondering about the
characteristics of the boat and how they stand up to other production
boats like the Catalina 27, etc. Any insight would be appreciated.
Thanks.
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DavidB
I'm looking for a 28 to 32 foot shoal draft boat with
6'3" headroom. The less draft the better as we frequent
thin waters. I think these exists from adds I've seen.
A pilothouse might be worth considering.
I'm shopping in the 30K or under range so a seventies boat
seems most likely. The brands I've run across so far are:
Pearson
Ericson
Islander
Morgan
Watkins
Grampion
Tartan
Tayana
Cal
Sabre
Any opinions or comments on any of these makes, or perhaps whether
standing headroom is a necessary or not...??? are welcome.
I'm really enjoying the threads in this group. Very informative.
Happy Sails,
David
cf...@gnv.fdt.net
Steve Weingart
Those are mostly good boats (I know of a Watkins 27' that had the keel just
fall off in general they are regarded as clorox bottles), some at the coastal
cruiser end, some at the blue water end. I'll add one more name: The Alberg
30 (which is also a Pearson Triton stretched by 2' and built by Whitby in
Canada). That is what we have and have sailied it in the Keys where shallow
water is the norm. The draft is 4'3", not as shallow as some, but it's a
fixed keel, I was not up for the extra worries of a centerboard. The cutaway
forefoot makes getting off sand 'bump' fairly easy :-) We have had practice.
I vote for standing headroom, we didn't have it in our previous boat, a 21'
Bay Hen sharpie, and it did make cooking, dressing and general movement about
the cabin a cramped operation. It only drew a foot with the boards up so we
could actually beach it, that was nice, but room is better.
Steve (remove anti spam XYX in return address for correct email)
Jere Lull
DavidB wrote:
> I'm looking for a 28 to 32 foot shoal draft boat with
> 6'3" headroom. The less draft the better as we frequent
> thin waters. I think these exists from adds I've seen.
> A pilothouse might be worth considering.
> I'm shopping in the 30K or under range so a seventies boat
> seems most likely. The brands I've run across so far are:
> Pearson
> Ericson
> Islander
> Morgan
> Watkins
> Grampion
> Tartan
> Tayana
> Cal
> Sabre
I'd add the Tanzer 28, 29 and 10.5. Solid, fast, and 4' draft and well within
your parameters.
Standing headroom is a requirement if you are going to stay on her for extended
periods.
Make sure that the berths are big enough for *you* and your crew. Xan's berths
are 6'8"+ long and the "V" can be used by two real adults. Not all boats offer
that. I don't like sleeping in the cabin on a regular basis. We actually
climbed into every likely boat's "V" and/or second cabin to try them on for
size. About half of them flunked or were downgraded by that simple test.
Galley and heads should be adequate for any second mate you intend have onboard.
These older boats are only as good mechanically as a proper survey finds them.
Whether they suit your purpose(s) is entirely up to you.
--
Jere Lull
Xan-a-Deux -- '73 Tanzer 28 #4 -- out of Tolchester, MD
Xan's Pics & Specs: http://www.dca.net/~jerelull/X-Main.html
British Virgin Islands: http://www.dca.net/~jerelull/BVI.html
Greg Delezynski
Got to add my 2 cents worth. Take a look at the Nor'Sea 27. Draft of
3'6" and standing head room! My wife and I are currently living aboard
(for over a year now) and loving it. We could NEVER do that without
standing headroom!
Greg & Jill
S/V Guenevere
DavidB wrote:
> I'm looking for a 28 to 32 foot shoal draft boat with
> 6'3" headroom. The less draft the better as we frequent
> thin waters. I think these exists from adds I've seen.
> A pilothouse might be worth considering.
> I'm shopping in the 30K or under range so a seventies boat
> seems most likely. The brands I've run across so far are:
> Pearson
> Ericson
> Islander
> Morgan
> Watkins
> Grampion
> Tartan
> Tayana
> Cal
> Sabre
> Any opinions or comments on any of these makes, or perhaps whether
> standing headroom is a necessary or not...??? are welcome.
> I'm really enjoying the threads in this group. Very informative.
> Happy Sails,
> David
J B Chalais
Jere Lull wrote:
>
> DavidB wrote:
>
> > I'm looking for a 28 to 32 foot shoal draft boat with
> > 6'3" headroom. The less draft the better as we frequent
> > thin waters. I think these exists from adds I've seen.
> > A pilothouse might be worth considering.
> > I'm shopping in the 30K or under range so a seventies boat
> > seems most likely. The brands I've run across so far are:
> > Pearson
> > Ericson
> > Islander
> > Morgan
> > Watkins
> > Grampion
> > Tartan
> > Tayana
> > Cal
> > Sabre
>
> your parameters.
>
You might also want to take a look at a Lancer 27 Power Sailor while
your at it. They are a very large 27. Full sized aft cabin, Galley,
Enclosed head and shower, 6'3" head room (I'm 6'7") Huge cockpit with
wheel steering, solid hand layed glass hull, and.... a large OB hanging
off the stern swim step. They did make Shoal draft models although
mine's a fin/spade. The only draw back to the boat is the big OB. I
replaced the one I had with a Yanmar D27 Diesel OB and now enjoy
800-1000 miles cruising range under power. ((_And_ you don't have to be
a contourtionist to be able to do any maintenence on the engine.)) The
big plus about the boat is the OB..... The non-traditional look drives
prices down into that very affordable range. 10K-11K. They were made
from '83-'85, the later models being 'improved'.
The Lancer 30 is also an option. Same configuration as the 27, however
they usually come with a Yanmar or Volvo sail drive for power. The hull
is the same as a C&C 30. Lancer purchased the molds from C&C. They
usually sell in the 17K to 20K range.
Jack
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Skip inquires:
>I'm considering the purchase of an '86 O'DAY 272 w/9.9 outboard.> I was
wondering about the
>characteristics of the boat and how they stand up to other production >boats
like the Catalina 27, etc.
I've owned an '87 272 I/B diesel for 6 yrs and sail it 50-60 days, 600-800
miles, per summer in the Chesapeake & Barnegat Bays & environs. Also occasional
good weather coastal sailing, Manasquan to Cape May. I have found the boat,
engine (Westerbeke) and gear dependable and suited for this type of sailing.
No significant equipment failure since I've had the boat, though I keep her
yard maintained. The 2'll" draft wing keel is great for the thin waters of the
Barnegat though that wing keel digs in like an anchor on grounding. On the
wind sails fine for me, but I am not a performance sailor; off the wind tends
to lag behind other comparable boats. I bought a cruising spinaker for it, but
disappointed. Overall, handles ok on all points of sail. Piece a cake to
singlehand which I enjoy often. My ocean sailing has been in calm to moderate
seas, nothing more than low force 5 and she has handled well. Have
sailed/motored into real mean Delaware Bay 4' short spaced, steep chop and
found the 272 to be a real tough customer, no complaints there at all.
Likewise, during inlet running in the notorious Barnegat Inlet boat handles
well including reasonably stable handling for a boat its size in tide/wind
conflicts. Anchor out 1/2 doz nites or so each summer usually with one crew,
accomodations are satisfactory for that kind of one nite at a time use. Can't
help you much on comparison with similar production boats other than to say
that the 272 is fairly popular on the Barnegat and the owners I know like the
boat.
Paul C. Uhl
Another boat you might look at is an Endeavour 32. They're spacious,
solid glass, and were originally designed for the Florida keys, Bahamas,
etc. The 32 was made from the Irwin mold during 1977 thru 1982, and I
can tell you that when the wind picks up, it's still a comfortable sail.
You should find most years within your price range.
Also, check out the Endeavour Members Forum at:
http://members.aol.com/endvr32
Endeavours are low tech, with simple and dependable systems.
Paul
David H Dennis
Greg Delezynski wrote:
>
> Got to add my 2 cents worth. Take a look at the Nor'Sea 27. Draft of
> 3'6" and standing head room! My wife and I are currently living aboard
> (for over a year now) and loving it. We could NEVER do that without
> standing headroom!
There I was, gazing out at the harbour, dreaming of boats ....
And there was this boat, out on its massive trailer, that looked just
about perfect. It was so obviously salty, so obviously 'right' compared
to the clorox bottle $ 4,000-$ 7,500 Catalina 27s and Newport 28s and
what-not that I'd been checking out. Gee, I thought, if this was $ 12k
or so, what an ideal boat it would be! I'd better check it out.
So I walked over to the brokerage house and was able to identify it as a
Nor'sea 27 by scanning the pictures on the wall.
"$ 42,500," said the price sheet.
"Gulp," I said to myself.
The price sheet had another notation on it: IN ESCROW. In other words,
even at that price, it had been sold.
I was curious, so I ran a detailed check on the web. Owners love them.
Judging by prices I've seen, ranging from $ 39,000 to $ 89,000, it looks
like there's an exceptionally firm market. A web and DejaNews search
recorded happy owners.
So in the size range, I'd say it's exceptional. But I'm not sure if you
can't find better value for money elsewhere, even in the really strong
and seaworthy class. I've seen some larger boats with pretty darn good
reputations (Ericson comes to mind as an exceptional value) and similar
to lower prices.
But if you want the absolute class of the size range, I don't think you
could do better.
D
Greg Delezynski
David,
What you wrote is true. However, don't jump to conclusions to soon! We have
an owner here in the Nor'Cal Nor'Sea users group (Frank) who looked for some
time, BUT, managed to get one for $5,000. Thats right, five thousand dollars
U.S.! I'm not saying they can all be had at that price by any means, BUT
what you see is only the asking price!
We purchased Guenevere for a lot less than the asking price because the old
owner was out of the country, and the dealer I was shopping at had three of
them at there docks.
As Frank found out, you can always bit a lot less! the worst that can happon
is they will say no. And so what to that.
By the way, it took us about a year to find Guenevere. BUT we are happy
EVERY day we have her! It was hard waiting the time it took to get her. But
not half as hard as it would be living with something we don't have the trust
and fath in out in the big blue! I like to tell people who talk to me about
BIG boats that there are a LOT of different types of comfort! Total faith in
the boat when offshore if one type I can't do without.
Greg & Jill
S/V Guenevere
Greg Delezynski
David,
What you wrote is true. However, don't jump to conclusions to soon! We have
an owner here in the Nor'Cal Nor'Sea users group (Frank) who looked for some
time, BUT, managed to get one for $5,000. That's right, five thousand
dollars U.S.! I'm not saying they can all be had at that price by any means,
BUT what you see is only the asking price!
We purchased Guenevere for a lot less than the asking price because the old
owner was out of the country, and the dealer I was shopping at had three of
them at there docks.
As Frank found out, you can always bit a lot less! the worst that can happen
is they will say no. And so what to that.
By the way, it took us about a year to find Guenevere. BUT we are happy
EVERY day we have her! It was hard waiting the time it took to get her. But
not half as hard as it would be living with something we don't have the trust
and faith in out in the big blue! I like to tell people who talk to me about