TRAWLERS - WHICH ONE IS BEST???
ObjectSearch Group
We are sailors who have sold their sailboat and which to go to a
trawler.
We are looking for comfort, space, for possible live aboard situation
for the two of us , and currently searching for a trawler that meets
our budget.
If anyone has had personal experience with trawlers in the 36' to 44'
range, could you please advise on what would be a good bet between the
following models that would encompass low maintenance, reliability in
the engine room as well as the mainstructure, and resale value.
Are there any web sites to visit that would also give us some
additional information, or possible interested parties that have a
trawler for sale.
- Marine Trader
- Albin
- Oceania
- Regency
- Overseas
- Monk
- Sealord
- Labelle
- ANY OTHERS ??
Cheers,
Don & Lori
Ron Wilson
>
> TRAWLERS - WHICH ONE IS BEST???
>
> We are sailors who have sold their sailboat and which to go to a
> trawler.
> We are looking for comfort, space, for possible live aboard situation
> for the two of us , and currently searching for a trawler that meets
> our budget.
> If anyone has had personal experience with trawlers in the 36' to 44'
> range, could you please advise on what would be a good bet between the
> following models that would encompass low maintenance, reliability in
> the engine room as well as the mainstructure, and resale value.
> Are there any web sites to visit that would also give us some
> additional information, or possible interested parties that have a
> trawler for sale.
>
> Don & Lori
I would put in a good word for Albin. I lived on a 43 for a while, and
found it a very pleasant boat. No mistake--it's a Taiwanese trawler,
with tons of teak (at least in the older ones) some questionalble
electrical work, and leaks around the windows. Part of the heritage.
Some brokers claim that the yard building Albins was better supervised
than the other Taiwanese yards in the '70s to mid-'80s. I can't confirm
that, but I did seem to have fewer electrical problems, no major issues
like blisters or delamination, and a very sound teak deck. That is not
the general experience with Taiwanese boats of the period.
One possible issue is that at least some Albins came with Ford Watermota
engines rather than the usual Ford Lehmans, and parts, specs, drawings
and so forth can be elusive on this side of the Atlantic.
As an exercise, you might also look at Grand Banks. Although they are
considerably more expensive than even the Albins, they have a better
reputation for quality and seem to hold value better, maybe just because
of the name recognition and the fact that the yard was in Singapore
rather than Taiwan.
Hope that helps.
ron wilson
Bob McMillan
>
> TRAWLERS - WHICH ONE IS BEST???
>
> We are sailors who have sold their sailboat and which to go to a
> trawler.
> We are looking for comfort, space, for possible live aboard situation
> for the two of us , and currently searching for a trawler that meets
> our budget.
> If anyone has had personal experience with trawlers in the 36' to 44'
> range, could you please advise on what would be a good bet between the
> following models that would encompass low maintenance, reliability in
> the engine room as well as the mainstructure, and resale value.
> Are there any web sites to visit that would also give us some
> additional information, or possible interested parties that have a
> trawler for sale.
>
> - Albin
> - Oceania
> - Regency
> - Overseas
> - Monk
> - Sealord
> - Labelle
> - ANY OTHERS ??
>
> Cheers,
> Don & Lori
early 80's these boats were built in Florida and are of very strong
construction. They are built simular to a sailboat in that the deck is
a molded fiberglass 1 piece design from side to side. This eliminates
the cabinside to deck problems found on many trawlers. They are
relatively inexpensive and were made in a Mark I and Mark II version.
The mark one has a trunk type cabin in the back and the Mark II has a
full width cabin in the back providing a sundeck on top.
The down side is that they are no longer made, although a active
Gulfstar owners club provides much information and parts for the boats.
The drawback to their design is that the hull is a rounded bottom boat
much like a sailboad with a full length keel. The keel is great for
protecting the props even in the twin engine models, but it makes for a
rolley boat in beam seas.
If you have any question about this type boat feel free to e-mail me. I
have the 36ft MarkII version and have gone from NY to New Orleans and
over to the Bahamas and back to New Orleans. I would be glad to hear
from you.
Bob McMillan
M/V Vulcan
Colin G. Brine, CPA
I notice you don't mention Grand Banks. They have a solid reputation for
dependable seaworthy diesel trawlers. We own a GB 36 classic and think it
is the best built trawler around, maybe not the fanciest.
Best of luck in your search, Colin.
Gould 0738
Ho...@buffalobob.net
Thanks.
James Calore
Marine Trader is out of Toms River, NJ
You forgot possibly the best trawlers made: Grand Banks and Krogen
G'luck!
-jc
Stephen Coleman
from Ho...@buffalobob.net contains these words:
> Also, do they have a website?
> Thanks.
> >TRAWLERS - WHICH ONE IS BEST???
> >
> >We are sailors who have sold their sailboat and which to go to a
> >trawler.
> >We are looking for comfort, space, for possible live aboard situation
> >for the two of us , and currently searching for a trawler that meets
> >our budget.
> >If anyone has had personal experience with trawlers in the 36' to 44'
> >range, could you please advise on what would be a good bet between the
> >following models that would encompass low maintenance, reliability in
> >the engine room as well as the mainstructure, and resale value.
> >Are there any web sites to visit that would also give us some
> >additional information, or possible interested parties that have a
> >trawler for sale.
> >
> >- Marine Trader
> >- Albin
> >- Oceania
> >- Regency
> >- Overseas
> >- Monk
> >- Sealord
> >- Labelle
> >- ANY OTHERS ??
> >
> >Cheers,
> >Don & Lori
> >
Don & Lori,
I suppose I am bias, but I would recommend a Grand Banks only because
I own one. These boats keep their value very well and if you get the
right engine have a good turn of speed. The only other trawler yacht
that I would like is the Trader, its a lovely boat. The address for
further information on them is:- Tarquin Boat Company, Tarquin Yacht
Harbour, Thorney Road,Emsworth Hampshire PO10 8BP, Great Britain.
Telephone +44(0)1243 375211.
Best of luck
Steve
pjy...@my-dejanews.com
rwi...@eet.nohamcmp.com wrote:
> ObjectSearch Group wrote:
> >
> > TRAWLERS - WHICH ONE IS BEST???
> >
> > We are sailors who have sold their sailboat and which to go to a
> > trawler.
> > We are looking for comfort, space, for possible live aboard situation
> > for the two of us , and currently searching for a trawler that meets
> > our budget.
> > If anyone has had personal experience with trawlers in the 36' to 44'
> > range, could you please advise on what would be a good bet between the
> > following models that would encompass low maintenance, reliability in
> > the engine room as well as the mainstructure, and resale value.
> > Are there any web sites to visit that would also give us some
> > additional information, or possible interested parties that have a
> > trawler for sale.
> >
> > Don & Lori
>
> I would put in a good word for Albin. I lived on a 43 for a while, and
> found it a very pleasant boat. No mistake--it's a Taiwanese trawler,
> with tons of teak (at least in the older ones) some questionalble
> electrical work, and leaks around the windows. Part of the heritage.
> Some brokers claim that the yard building Albins was better supervised
> than the other Taiwanese yards in the '70s to mid-'80s. I can't confirm
> that, but I did seem to have fewer electrical problems, no major issues
> like blisters or delamination, and a very sound teak deck. That is not
> the general experience with Taiwanese boats of the period.
> One possible issue is that at least some Albins came with Ford Watermota
> engines rather than the usual Ford Lehmans, and parts, specs, drawings
> and so forth can be elusive on this side of the Atlantic.
> As an exercise, you might also look at Grand Banks. Although they are
> considerably more expensive than even the Albins, they have a better
> reputation for quality and seem to hold value better, maybe just because
> of the name recognition and the fact that the yard was in Singapore
> rather than Taiwan.
> Hope that helps.
> ron wilson
>
Hello. My husband and I are also looking for a good liveaboard trawler.
We would also welcome advice, particularly about Cheoy Lees. We are new
to the large boat arena (our only experience so far is with a 17' Arima
Sea Pacer), so all advice is welcome.
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Charles P. Cohen
>Hello. My husband and I are also looking for a good liveaboard trawler.
>We would also welcome advice, particularly about Cheoy Lees. We are new
>to the large boat arena (our only experience so far is with a 17' Arima
>Sea Pacer), so all advice is welcome.
I was complaining to a friend who owns a Tayana 37 about the cost of
sailing my 24' sloop -- "Standing in a shower throwing hundred-dollar
bills down the drain."
"Ah", she said, "I still remember when we had a boat your size, and
they were only hundred-dollar bills! They're much bigger, now."
I'm _also_ looking for a trawler, and have been advised to stay away
from all old Taiwanese boats. I'm not quite convinced (I can afford
them, and anything else is a real stretch).
Ron Wilson
Charles P. Cohen wrote:
> [snip]
> I'm _also_ looking for a trawler, and have been advised to stay away
> from all old Taiwanese boats. I'm not quite convinced (I can afford
> them, and anything else is a real stretch).
From my limited experience (lived on one, lots of friends living on
others) I would say don't avoid Taiwanese trawlers, but go in with open eyes
and a good surveyor. I haven't seen or heard the horros stories that you get
on cheap US-built boats, such as serious structural problems, improper
construction, faulty design, etc. Hulls and running gear seem to be
generally well-done. There are some skills most of the Taiwanese yards
hadn't perfected in the '70s and early '80s, such as keeping track of wires
in a harness, choosing and working with stainless steel and sealing windows
and hatches. But these are all detectable things that lead to detectable
(and fixable) problems. There were also some things the yards seem to have
been very good at, such as making massive FRP hulls and doing incomparable
teak interior joinery. There's much to enjoy.
ron wilson
Boatbear
Traders seem to resell cheaply (probably for a reason), Try for double
power or a bow-thruster. Trawlers in Florida and the southern states seem
to resell reasonably, but they have more wear.
PFCOR
What brokers told us when we switched from sailing to power - and it was
certainly born out - was that most trawler owners tend to hold on to their
boats for a long time. Therefore when they do come on the market, they do look
very lived in and in most cases unappealing. What's one owner's idea of beauty
is a potential buyer's idea of just plain junked up and/or badly worn.
Therefore, when we discovered a Marine Trader that was less than 10 years old,
had 400 hours on the engine and looked to be immaculate we grabbed it - after
being surveyed, of course.
It was a 1989/90 34-foot Europa model.
The survey indicated that the boat was structurally in the same excellent
condition that it appeared to be. However, the surveyor, much to our dismay,
turned out to be a complete incompetent - we have a legal action pending
against him - or a crook who was in cahoots with the broker - Brewer's Yacht
Sales, Stratford, CT, so that when, at the end of the season, we instructed our
own boat yard to "fix up" a few leaks, we received a phone call from them
telling us that we had a major disaster on our hands.
When we bought the boat, we noted that there had been a leak over the
vee-berths since the teak above the berths was stained. We also noted that the
window above the galley was cracked.
What we found was the following:
1. The fibreglass beneath the teak on the entire fore-deck was a disaster
which was why there was a leak over the berths.
2. The roof of the flybridge was collapsing into the main cabin (which was
why the windows cracked) since this deck is unsupported!
3. The decks were not sealed and therefore the rear deck roof deck and
fore-deck were rotted out.
4. The bow sprit was tacked - not nailed - down.
5. The cutlass bearing leaked and the drive shaft was pitted.
Our boat was subsequently sidelined for an entire season while it was torn
apart and literally rebuilt from the ground up.
What does this tell you? For starters, the Marine Trader is less expensive to
buy because the manufacturers cut corners wherever and whenever they can. Any
"bargain" you get at purchase will be more than offset by the significant
amount of money you will need to spend on maintenance in order to compensate
for the terrible way that it is built.
Count on the fact that the boat will leak like a sieve. The manufacturer,
Marine Trader of Toms River, NJ, offered us either of two brand new boats by
way of mitigating some of the manufacturing defects. Being a little wiser, we
looked - not too carefully - and discovered that both boats WERE ALREADY ROTTEN
FROM WATER DAMAGE and they hadn't even left the dealer!
Our yard shored up the top deck by installing a steel I-beam across roof of the
main cabin and beneath the floor. The roof deck is also shored up by a heavy
steel post in the galley area, replacing a teak ornament.
Marine Trader offered as an alibi the fact that "There are thousands of them
out there." Don't be misled: afloat they may be, but mention the word
"maintenance" to any Marine Trader and you will elicit hour-long tales of woe.
It's not for nothing that there is a Marine Trader Owners' Association whose
primary function it is to disseminate ways of keeping the boats from
disintegrating.
We now probably own one of the best-built Marine Traders afloat and living
aboard is about as comfortable as you can reasonably be on a boat. It's
spacious, light, very airy and well-ventilated. It's handling is only so-so.
It is not responsive to the rudder and we plan to increase the size of the
rudder this winter. Our yard now knows that when it comes in for storage, it
must be gone over with a fine tooth comb in order to quickly repair any
problems before they become overwhelming.
Make sure to have bow-thrusters if you buy anything with a single screw.
Would I ever - in a million years - buy another Marine Trader? Not while I have
a breath in my body!
Paula Corman
West Newton, MA
P.S. Remember what BOAT stands for?
Break
Out
Another
Thousand
Unfortunately, with a Marine Trader this is all too true.
P. F. Corman
pf...@aol.com
PFCOR
Would I ever - in a million years - buy another Marine Trader? No way!!!
Paula Corman
West Newton, MA
p.s. Remember what BOAT stands for: Break Out Another Thousand. - That's a
Marine Trader!
P. F. Corman
pf...@aol.com
Bryon Kass
screwed when they bought it. One it is a slow boat from China.
The boats are underpowered and handle like floating bath tubs.
We have one 34 at our club whose owner has been fighting with its
quirks for years. I think the main reason the owners do not sell
them too often is they do not pass survey unless the surveyor is
in with the broker. That is another story! The boat itself is built
with shoddy workmanship and materials. The older ones as you found
out do not last unless they are kept out of the weather. Fresh
water from rain is the worst enemy for wood in place or cored construct.
I would never recomend these boats to my clients unless the price
is very low and they are good wood workers. This boat from the far
east is not alone in bad materials. We have seen other brands that
are as bad. There are a few winners like Grand Banks.
Bryon Kass
webmaster and
Custom Design
150 Mechanic St.
Foxboro, MA 02035
508-543-9068 or fax 508-543-5127, Foot yard 508-384-2415
in THE ENGINE ROOM http://home.ici.net/~cusdn
> Would I ever - in a million years - buy another Marine Trader? Not while I have
> a breath in my body!
>
> Paula Corman
> West Newton, MA
>
TOBYBOAT
36 ' that I wouldnot trade for the would but nor would
I take it accross the Atlantic .
Check out Trawler World Homepage and
Cruisers Connection Homepage .
Ken
Harbin Osteen
Here is a link to a 72 foot Northern Marine.
Northern Marine:
http://www.macyacht.com/72northernspec.htm
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TOBYBOAT
Depends onwhat you want . There are really few actual dissplacement trawlers
Krogen is one . Most are actually Semi displacement Hulls with trawler type
superstructures and cabin layouts .which were powered down following the oil
crunch in '73
and are now again powering up - some even advertising as fast trawlers !
For our trip Balto, Maryland to Burlington and return - we use less that a
tank of fuel
( about 240 gal ) in our Krogen . Go to a Trawler fest and study the hull
shapes a bit . Be careful of any
boat now well maintained well - many from the
Far East go down rapidly due to window leaks and other problems ( some were
called
New York Times boats early on because they had a layer of glass - then a layer
of the New York Times - then another layer of glass etc
in their hull construction ) Later boats tend to be of higher standard - but I
think the wiring still stinks in most and you should be prepared
to rewire. If Maintained however they are usually good value for money. In a
boat everything is a compromise--
Ken